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NATO’s hair trigger: The Polish missile incident was a close brush with nuclear annihilation

The fervor with which Poland and others sought to drag NATO into a war with Russia should ring alarm bells for everyone
 
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The world dodged a bullet this week, with some NATO members trying, but failing, to trigger Article 4 as a means of confronting Russia in Ukraine. We may not be so lucky next time.

 

The recent scandal surrounding what most of the world now agrees was an errant Ukrainian surface-to-air missile landing on Polish soil, killing two Polish citizens in the process, has exposed an ugly reality about the eastern reaches of NATO today: Despite the more reserved stance of the old NATO establishment (the US, UK, France, and Germany), the new upstarts in eastern Europe seem hell-bent on finding a mechanism that will justify NATO intervention in Ukraine.

 

This predilection for nuclear annihilation (no one should have any misgivings that a NATO-Russia conflict would end any other way) should send alarm bells ringing in the halls of power throughout NATO and the rest of the world, because left to their own devices, the Russophobic officials that dominate the governments of Poland and the three Baltic republics act like lemmings, running toward the Ukrainian cliff, oblivious to their fate as they chase the fantasy of NATO defeating Russia on a European battlefield.

 

The rush to judgment that accompanied the arrival of the Ukrainian surface-to-air missile on Polish soil serves as a stark reminder about how the supposedly defensive characteristics of the NATO Charter can be used to promote, rather than deter, conflict. 

 

Let there be no doubt – NATO was aware that the missile that impacted near the village of Przewodów in Poland, killing two Polish citizens, was a Ukrainian surface-to-air missile the moment it was launched. The airspace over Ukraine is one of the most highly-monitored locations in the world. Without revealing sources and methods, suffice it to say there isn’t anything that happens over Ukraine that isn’t registered in real time on a NATO display in headquarters throughout Europe – including Poland.

 

And yet … Poland saw fit to summon the Russian ambassador and lodge a protest.

 

Moreover, Poland declared that it would increase its military readiness while contemplating the activation of Article 4 of the NATO Treaty, a mechanism which allows the alliance to discuss security threats to member states with an eye on possibly using NATO military force to rectify the situation. Article 4 is behind every combat deployment of NATO since its inception, from Serbia, to Libya, to Afghanistan. 

 

On cue, Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda, whose country borders Poland, tweeted that “every inch of NATO territory must be defended!”

 

Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala likewise turned to Twitter to exclaim: “If Poland confirms that the missiles also hit its territory, this will be a further escalation by Russia. We stand firmly behind our EU and NATO ally.”

 

For its part, Estonia called the news “most concerning,” with its foreign minister declaring via Twitter, “We are consulting closely with Poland and other allies. Estonia is ready to defend every inch of NATO territory.” 

 

While all parties concurred that there was no basis for triggering Article 5 of NATO (i.e., the collective security clause), Article 4 was very much in play. Poland was adamant: The missile “attack” against Poland was clearly a crime, one that could not go unpunished. As such, under Article 4, Poland would be pushing “for NATO members and Poland to agree on the provision of additional anti-aircraft defense, including in part of the territory of Ukraine.”

 

And there you have it: “Including in part of the territory of Ukraine.”

 

Enter Germany, stage left: “As an immediate reaction to the incident in Poland, we will offer to strengthen air policing with combat air patrols over its airspace with German Eurofighters,” a German Defense Ministry spokesperson declared. 

 

Cue NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, who convened an emergency meeting of NATO ambassadors in Brussels to discuss the Polish incident. According to the Finnish foreign minister (Finland, although not a NATO member, was invited to the meeting), “Closing the airspace [above Ukraine] will definitely be discussed. Various options of how we can protect Ukraine are on the table.”

 

While Germany reportedly rejected the establishment of a no-fly zone over Ukraine, noting that such an action would pose a threat of direct confrontation between Russia and NATO, one is left pondering how such a discussion came to be in the first place: Ukraine fired a surface-to-air missile, which was tracked by NATO as it impacted on Polish soil. And, as a result, NATO members end up discussing the possibility of invoking Article 4 of the NATO Charter, seeking to extend NATO air defense into Ukrainian air space in concert with the establishment of a no-fly zone enforced by NATO aircraft.

 

Even if it was a blue on blue [incident] with a Ukrainian rocket that landed in Poland, I think there is still enough ground for Poland to invoke Article 4,” a former director of policy planning for NATO, Fabrice Pothier, declared.

 

Just to clarify what Mr. Pothier is saying: Because Ukraine fired a surface-to-air missile that ended up landing on Polish soil, NATO is justified in invoking Article 4, setting the stage for a possible NATO-Russia conflict in Ukraine which could lead to global nuclear annihilation.

 

If there was ever any doubt about the threat NATO posed to the entire world, there is no more.

 

That this is being promulgated on behalf of a Ukrainian leader who, despite universal consensus that the missile which hit Poland was Ukrainian, denies this possibility, all the while blaming Russia in the hopes that NATO will intervene, only adds to the insanity of this crisis.

 

While it appears that the world has dodged the potential death sentence triggered by the NATO Article 4 this time, the hair-trigger aspect of NATO’s Pavlovian response mechanism when it comes to seeking causal justification for military intervention in Ukraine should have everyone on high alert.

 

 

The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/566710-polish-missile-incident-nato/

 

 

Btw. I haven't found surnames of those two people allegedly killed in this incident so far.

 


By all accounts Poland should be seeking war on Ukraine…

Thats how pathetic this all is.

That wouldn’t suit the status quo, but if this say turned out to be a lose cannon directing Russian troops - which happens in every war - who was said to be responsible for this or anything similar, war would be being declared or at least waged on Russia with bombs dropping on some more civilians that just so happen to be Russian and have no more to do with this than any of us sitting at home when the bombs are dropped.

Its pathetic and these people call us “conspiracy theorists”. That’s how mad it is…

 

For instance, they try to relate the idea of - Bomb proof - passports littered all over the place, usually surrounded by pages of a Koran, that this means the nationality on that passport is responsible for the said incident - almost always false flag exercises and when with the likes of a Koran, it also is used to promote the idea that every Muslim is responsible and that Muslims are behind a new world order to overthrow our way of life. This is by a people who call us conspiracy theorists for pointing out where the true globalists transforming society really are - and therefore everyone in that entire nation can be subject to the SMART bombs of the west, simply because of a fraudulent association by them apparently being a citizen of said nation. They do this time and time again and the fact of how pathetic this really is and people don’t get and see the exploitation boggles the mind. All so they can carry out exactly the same type of atrocities on another nation, which they’re accusing “the bad guys” of carrying out. It’s so unbelievably pathetic that I often have to wonder why it is this type of thing still keeps coming back around and we still have to keep talking about how pathetic this type of thing really is.

If people can see this they can surely see how we’re being manipulated by a bunch of psychopaths who use acts of war to transform society as they see fit.

 

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I personally feel this scenario has all been staged to test the waters and justify a certain stance that they otherwise may not have been able to get away with. The framing of the righteous west and NATO. It is completely pathetic and a child should be able to see how looney tunes it all really is.

This situation could be said to be grooming our minds of what and why certain things could happen because of scenarios like this for when they actually decide to play it out if we are manipulated into accepting this is the right thing to do for instance.

 

Have things changed?

 

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On 11/9/2022 at 1:27 PM, DannyUK said:


It’s like a puppet movie. Who’s pulling his strings I wonder?

It’s a real puzzler… 🤔

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I bet their ideology begins with a Z, the phantom nation that has mass influence over global politics begins with an I and the religion they pretend to occupy begins with a J.

It also has absolutely nothing to do with opening up job opportunities within the movie industry by aiding these interests.
Simply making such a statement would be just downright “antisemitic” if you didn’t know what antisemitic means that is.
It’s a real head scratcher I know…

 

Why could these people we’re talking about, have such vested interest within Ukraine I wonder?

Why would pushing this war aid their interests?

Nothing to do with another phantom menace WMD scare with yet another nation beginning with I?

Ok I’ll narrow that last part down, Iran.

 

This video describes classic signs of virtue signalling.


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Team America: World Police 

The Murder of Reality

 


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In the News Right Now | Featuring Whitney Webb, Michael Martinz & Jean Nolan

15th November 2022

This week we have a North American Special for you: On the panel, we have Journalist & Author Whitney Webb, Podcaster Michael Martinz, and Founder of the Inspired Channel Jean Nolan. We'll be talking about the US Midterms, Kanye West, Homeland Security policing misinformation, and Sean Penn's Oscar.

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A HOSPITAL IN 3 MONTHS: this is how the RUSSIAN MINISTRY OF DEFENSE BUILD in Donbas | liusivaya

 

What does Russia do in Donbas? In my second season as a war correspondent in Donbas I recorded a lot of civilian infrastructure that the Russian Ministry of Defense was just beginning to build at the time. In the vast majority of cases the workers worked under constant artillery fire. The Western media never said it, but Russia was building the hospitals that Ukraine was trying to destroy. This is my third trip. Now it's time to record the result of those so dangerous but so necessary works.

 

🇪🇸/🇷🇺/🇬🇧 Subtitles in Spanish, Russian and English.

 

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On 11/22/2022 at 2:47 PM, sickofallthebollocks said:

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Definitely see some family resemblance going on with these two, and it would appear that the old family moto still holds true, 🤣

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"Man's highest joy is in victory: to conquer one's enemies, to pursue them, to deprive them of their possessions, to make their beloved weep, to rise on their horses, and to embrace their wives and daughters."

 

Basically, go on a murder spree, rob everything and indulge yourself side ways in epic debauchery, nice hat though, :classic_blink:

https://alessasadversaria.blogspot.com/2014/08/genghis-khan.html

 

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EXCLUSIVE | The Akhmat factor | On the frontlines | Interview with Chechen Spetsnaz commander

 

Streamed live on Nov 23, 2022

 

On episode 14 of the show we are joined by Apti Alaudinov, Russian statesman and military leader, commander of the «Akhmat» spetsnaz. Former Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs for the Chechen Republic, Major-General of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs. Acting deputy commander of the Second Army Corps of the People's Militia of Lugansk People's Republic. Hero of the Russian Federation and hero of the Lugansk People's Republic.

 

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The DEVASTATION of the Drama Theatre in Mariupol - Russia Rebuilds

 

MARIUPOL IS REBORN AGAIN: the RECONSTRUCTION that the western media will never show | liusivaya

 

Mariupol has been one of the cities hardest hit by fighting in the entire Donbass region. However, it has been living in times of peace since May. What has changed since then? What is Mariupol like today? And above all: what do its citizens think of the work that Russia is doing in the city? The best answer - a report from the field.

 

🇪🇸/🇷🇺/🇬🇧 Subtitles in Spanish, Russian and English.

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Play the video first with ANdrew Tate, talking vhinestly about the way that Satanist do shit.
A few places this meme might fit in here on the forum, but as Andrew Tate (co-op v likely or at least v possiblw) says:  They believe as satanists - that they have to tell you what they are doing to you and by doing it that way, they pay no karmic debt.
Here is the cabal showing us that Zelensky is just an actor, by giving him an Oscar.  It's all there in plain sight - always.
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A post from the old forum for anyone interested…

 

Geopolitics and the potential build up to a war with Iran with current events presented separate from one another by the MSM...

https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1062980552#post1062980552


The hidden hand and their accessories wouldn’t be happy.
They’d probably say this is “hate speech” and “antisemitic😬


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22 hours ago, numnuts said:

What's she being informed of in that creepy picture? She looks suitably unimpressed. Maybe it is Constipated Keir's pecker size. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63797240

 

'Ukraine: Zelenska tells MPs that UK must 'unite the world'.'

 

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How much they actually give a shit about the fake Ukraine "war".

 

(I wish).

 

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