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On 8/4/2022 at 9:14 AM, oddsnsods said:

 

I dont trust Pilger, he was silent all during lockdown, just another gatekeeper which I already knew. But Assagne too..all part of the act.

All he does is state the obvious in that interview for the gullibles..17:52 haha yes John youre a commie.

 

That's probably why they make us watch his documentaries as part of the school curriculum in Australia 😄

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9 hours ago, DarianF said:

 

That's probably why they make us watch his documentaries as part of the school curriculum in Australia 😄

 

Yes because he only cares about non Europeans..watch his docs again, he will always push the 911 offical story.

 

During lockdown I was paying attention to him on twatter, he never mentioned shit about OZ prison camp, only poor Aboriginals getting beaten by the police. Whilst Dan Andrews was in Mao mode. Pilger kind of jumped on the bandwagon much later. Not sure his views on forced jab & concentration camps are? Has he been vocal atall recently..maybe??

 

People buy the Julian Assagne psyop without question also & obviously do fuck all research on the man, which is pretty much most of the so called truthers these days..like his new wife & her Marxist Jewy parents I posted about not long ago. All these clowns are hardcore left or establishment spooks & none of them ever talk truth on 911.

 

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Not going too off topic, but amongst the little clique of spooks protesting Assagne, you have Craig Murray who we are told got sent down for 8 months contempt of court. But I am sceptical of him also & his total shilling on vaccine passports & other filth.

 

All these clowns are the same. I wouldn't buy any of their shit specially wiki leaks, same as I would buy anyone on the lamestream right either.

And these types of people like Pilger are the Democracy now types that are meant to hold credibility.

The 9/11 Post..

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Having complained of people posting off topic, it seems a reasonable solution to give an opportunity for people to discuss the topics I am banning from other threads – of which 9/11 seems the most popular.

I do not believe that the US government, or any of its agencies, were responsible for 9/11. It would just need too many people to be involved. Someone would have objected. There are some strange and dangerous people in America, but not in sufficient concentration for this one. They couldn’t even keep Watergate quiet, and that was a small group. Any group I can think of – even Blackwater – would contain operatives with scruples about blowing up New York. They may be sadly ready to kill people in poor countries, but Americans en masse? Somebody would say it wasn’t a good idea.

I asked a friend in the construction industry what it would take to demolish the twin towers. He replied nine months, 80 men, and 12 miles of cabling. The notion that a small team at night could plant sufficient explosives embedded at key points, is laughable.

The forces of the aircraft impacts must have been amazingly high. I have no difficulty imagining they would bring down the building. As for WTC 7, again the kinetic energy of the collapse of the twin towers must be immense.

I admit to a private speculation about WTC7. Unfortunately in construction it is extremely common for contractors not to fix or install properly all the expensive girders, ties and rebar that are supposed to be enclosed in the concrete. Supervising contractors and municipal inspectors can be corrupt. I recall vividly that in London some years ago a tragedy occurred when a simple gas oven explosion brought down the whole side of a tower block.

The inquiry found that the building contractor had simply omitted the ties that bound the girders at the corners, all encased in concrete. If a gas oven had not blown up, nobody would have found out. Buildings I strongly suspect are very often not as strong as they are supposed to be, with contractors skimping on apparently redundant protection. The sort of sordid thing you might not want too deeply investigated in the event of a national tragedy.

Precisely what happened at the Pentagon I am less sure. There is not the conclusive film and photographic evidence that there is for New York. I am particularly puzzled by the much more skilled feat of flying that would be required to hit a building virtually at ground level, in an urban area, after a lamppost clipping route – very hard to see how a non-professional pilot did that. But I can think of a number of possible scenarios where the official explanation is not quite the whole truth on the Pentagon, but which do not necessitate a belief that the US government or Dick Cheney was behind the attack.

In my view the real scandal of 9/11 was that it was blowback – the product of a malignant terrorist agency whose origins lay in CIA funding and provision. Also blowback in a more general sense that it was spawned in the nasty theocratic dictatorship of Saudi Arabia which is so close to the US and to the Bush dynasty in particular. As with almost all terrorist activity, I do not rule out any point on the whole spectrum of surveillance, penetration and agent provocateur activity by any number of possible actors.

But was 9/11 false flag and controlled demolition? No, I think not.

(Now I have given full opportunity to discuss 9/11 here, any further references on other threads will be instantly deleted).

 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/01/the_911_post/

 

The claim Assagne has had his jabs & suffered a heart attack. Would be a nice way to kill him off.

All these spooks are BDS Palestine anti Zionist, but never call out the Jews & blame everything on Fascism.

Why Twatter is full of Antifalite synthetic truth.

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On 3/29/2022 at 3:16 PM, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Yes, the Irish are on track to becoming a minority 16 years before us. Internationalists are totally wrecking Ireland.

 

The Irish town with such a big heart that Ukrainians now outnumber the locals
https://extra.ie/2022/08/07/news/irish-news/town-with-such-a-big-heart-that-ukrainians-now-outnumber-the-locals

 

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2 hours ago, Golden Retriever said:

Beyond ridiculous. Too much insanity going on for the world to function in a healthy manner.

 

 

 

FFS !

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Strange no one has mentioned Roger Waters calling out the Ukraine war, like he did with the white helmets. Although hes part of the fake anti Zionist Marxist crowd.

Still on a MSM level is pretty big news & media trying to attack him.

Sting also called out the war.

 

Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters has some seriously worrying views on Ukraine, Russia and China

The group’s co-founder called Biden a ‘war criminal’ for standing with Ukraine and added that Taiwan is ‘part of China’

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/roger-waters-ukraine-russia-china-taiwan-b2140968.html

 

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1 hour ago, Anti Facts Sir said:

So Izz has had the surgery?

 

Or is still just a case of dressing like a "non male binary arsehole attention seeker".

 

Nah, it's just a case of 100% pure imbecilism 😅

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Thing is the media just rely on twatted bots to boost all their agendas & Ukraine has seen a serious amount of bots of course.

 

Thinking slow has been exposing how many fake politicians & stars use these bot farms for likes, like we didnt already know, but it needs to be exposed & the reason they drown out the opposition.

 

Kinda offtopic, but interesting. Ive never seen so many obvious bots on twatted since this conflict started. Always accuse the enemy of doing what you do yourself.

 

Lizz Truss was the cunt on live TV encouraging wannabe terrorist to go to Ukraine for cannon fodder remember.

As long as you are on our side in any proxy war, it seems okay to go & kill people. However if you went to fight for Russia, even tho we havent declared a war with Russia you would probably most likely end up in Belmarsh if you tried to come home.

 

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1 hour ago, oddsnsods said:

Strange no one has mentioned Roger Waters calling out the Ukraine war, like he did with the white helmets. Although hes part of the fake anti Zionist Marxist crowd.

Still on a MSM level is pretty big news & media trying to attack him.

Sting also called out the war.

 

Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters has some seriously worrying views on Ukraine, Russia and China

The group’s co-founder called Biden a ‘war criminal’ for standing with Ukraine and added that Taiwan is ‘part of China’

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/roger-waters-ukraine-russia-china-taiwan-b2140968.html A bit off-topic 

 

 

"Taiwan is ‘part of China’

 

A bit off-topic but as far as I can see Taiwan and its indigenous people has been occupied by the Chinese already for a few hundred years and the debate between the People's Republic of China and the Republic of China both claiming each other's territory just serves to obscure the colonisation of Taiwan. 

 

From the wiki for Taiwan: 

 

"Taiwan has been settled for at least 25,000 years. Ancestors of Taiwanese indigenous peoples settled the island around 6,000 years ago. In the 17th century, large-scale Han Chinese immigration to western Taiwan began under a Dutch colony and continued under the Kingdom of Tungning. The island was annexed in 1683 by the Qing dynasty of China, and ceded to the Empire of Japan in 1895. The Republic of China, which had overthrown the Qing in 1911, took control of Taiwan on behalf of the Allies of World War II following the surrender of Japan in 1945. The resumption of the Chinese Civil War resulted in the ROC's loss of mainland China to forces of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and consequent retreat to Taiwan in 1949. Its effective jurisdiction has since been limited to Taiwan and smaller islands."

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Freedom of Speech and Graham Phillips
(Ukraine War Reporting)

 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/08/freedom-of-speech-and-graham-phillips/ 

 



The imposition of sanctions against British citizen and journalist Graham Phillips is an appalling violation of freedom of speech – which to have meaning must mean freedom to say things which disagree with the government, the media and/or majority public opinion.

 

Phillips has for almost a decade published and broadcast from Ukraine material which is openly supportive of the pro-Russian section of the Ukrainian population. He has operated from first Kyiv, then Odessa, then the Donbass. Phillips was sceptical of the Maidan protests and the popular revolution narrative. He subsequently for years covered much that the Western elites do not wish people to know – the shelling of civilian areas held by Russian separatists, the Nazi links of some Ukrainian military and politicians, the discrimination against Russian speakers and banning of Russian media and education.
 

All that is one side of the story in Ukraine, and the side that western governments and media are extremely keen you no longer can see. The information Phillips was providing was not in general untrue. The facts were selective and the interpretation partial, but that is also absolutely true of the western propaganda to which we are continually subjected.
 

In some incidents in the current war, it is impossible at a distance to be certain who was responsible for various acts. I see no reason in general to believe the BBC over Graham Phillips, or Graham Phillips over the BBC. It is good to have different sources.

Phillips has been criticised for broadcasting an interview with British prisoner Aiden Aslin, held by Russian separatist forces. The criticism is broadly correct. As I pointed out on twitter in the early days of this war, it is contrary to the Geneva Convention to make public display of prisoners.
 

This law was broken repeatedly by the Ukrainian side, with blanket footage of Russian soldiers phoning their mothers. Not one (except me) of those complaining about the Aslin interview complained about those. There are mitigating factors for Phillips – the interview was apparently Aslin’s initiative and he appeared pleased to give it. It was however still wrong. It is a good law – you never know what coercion or violence is applied to POW’s off-screen.
 

Personally there is much in Phillips’ line on Ukraine that I do not agree with. It is plain to me that broadly, the majority of the people of Ukraine genuinely wished in 2014 to move towards the EU rather than Russia, and dramatic efforts by Putin to reverse that process backfired.
 

But because I disagree does not mean Phillips should not be allowed to put across his view. It is also plain to me that Phillips was correct that the rights of the pro-Russian minority have indeed been trampled by ultra-nationalist Ukrainian forces, and Ukraine is a desperately corrupt and dysfunctional country.
 

The current proxy war is a disaster. It is not only killing tens of thousands in Ukraine, it is producing economic consequences that seriously damage the poor worldwide. The delight of politicians, the military and the arms industry is evident – and that is true of both Russia and the West. When wars happen, the bad people on all sides profit from them. The people suffer.

So I do not agree with Phillips’ cheerleading for the Russian “side” in this disastrous war. The answer to war is not to take a side but peace, and that is desperately needed.
 

The war will end with Ukraine ceding Crimea to Russia and perhaps more territory. Had Zelensky negotiated before the war started, Crimea plus the Minsk Agreements would have been enough. The Ukrainian negotiating position radically worsens daily. NATO is cheerfully sending Ukraine to disaster. The Russian invasion was illegal; the response now is immoral. The terms of the eventual settlement are obvious. Let it be reached now, without more pointless death. 
 

But for Phillips, a British citizen, to be severely legally punished for publishing opinions about a war in which his own state is not a party – nor, it is important to state, in formal alliance with any party – is entirely without precedent. If we accept that Phillips supports the Russian side in the war, why should it be illegal to do that? How does this principle play out? Am I to be sanctioned for supporting the Palestinians? What about those who uphold the rights of the Houthis against the Saudi death grip?
 

What about american journalists who opposed the Vietnam War? Or the British journalists who stood up against the attack on Egypt in the Suez Crisis? What of campaigners against the Iraq War? When you think it through, the implications of this action against Phillips are simply appalling.
 

The sanctions against Phillips are serious. A British citizen has had his property seized by the state, his assets and bank accounts frozen, his ability to earn a living crashed by the blocking of funding mechanisms. All this for publishing opinions on a foreign war contrary to those of the British government.
 

This is a truly frightening attack on freedom of speech, whether or not you agree with Phillips’ views. 
 

 

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19 hours ago, Doc said:

This is fucked up. Didn't realise the average citizen in the US was so completely and utterly uneducated.

 

 

I bet they could point out an LGBT charachter from among a crowd of heterosexuals ...... blindfolded.

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On 8/11/2022 at 9:19 PM, oddsnsods said:

Thing is the media just rely on twatted bots to boost all their agendas & Ukraine has seen a serious amount of bots of course.

 

Thinking slow has been exposing how many fake politicians & stars use these bot farms for likes, like we didnt already know, but it needs to be exposed & the reason they drown out the opposition.

 

Kinda offtopic, but interesting. Ive never seen so many obvious bots on twatted since this conflict started. Always accuse the enemy of doing what you do yourself.

 

Man it is crazy. These people are like walking copies of themselves, parroting each other and mirroring any accusations against Ukraine back on Russia. They are like terminators who you can't reason with. They gang up on you and corner until you are out of your energy. However there are a couple of differences. They believe in their reality to the point of giving up on logic and critical thinking. It's like the reality they believe in is all that they have left and trying to protect at all costs that it is convenient for them to exhibit that behavior. I used to think that they are either stupid or lag in their development but it's probably intentional denial of what they see as a threat to their fragile world.

 

What worries more is how their government and global elites were able to fool the world that bought their narrative at face value. The society is not able to tackle on space travel, let alone singularity because it collectively lacks in average IQ department. Moreover given how humanity trashes planet, treats animals, wages wars on itself there is definitely a significant lack in EiQ department. Until that is fixed, humanity is not ready for advancements that will most likely backfire.

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