Best answer to the question, why does God allow evil?

[Mr H]

On 1/27/2022 at 7:44 PM, pi3141 said:

 

Yes I think I follow you but if I understand correctly then I would say 'All' our thoughts come from the Subconscious but our Free Will ability comes into play when we overide the thoughts from our Subconscious and do our own thing, something we generally do a lot.

 

A person attuned to their subconscious and acting on its instruction alone, without allowing their free will or ego to take over, would be a highly advanced spiritual being. 

 

But that kind of takes the fun out of it, the idea is to progress your consciousness to the point where it also acts/behaves like the subconsciousness and we do exist almost perfectly with our 'demons' and ego tempered and controlled by our free will or conscious brain. That's the lesson, if you will, that we're here for, to try and advance ourselves, obtain 'Christ Consciousness' to be acting perfectly balanced, following our heart and making our conscious like our sub conscious.

 

Notice I said 'Christ Consciousness' not 'Christ Subconsciousness' because your Sub conscious is already 'A Christ' (The kingdom of heaven is within you) but we're partly separated from it by the Human Condition. While your subconscious is already connected with the source and acts in accordance with it.

 

But that's not for everyone, some people are on entirely different spiritual journey.

I would question whether thoughts come from the subconscious - and exactly where and what the subconscious mind really is I do not know. Has anyone ever seen a subconscious mind? Has anyone ever found a memory? What did it look like?  Yet we talk about these things (myself included at times) as if we know what they are and where they are. Similarly with thoughts, If I am perfectly honest I do not know where they come from. If I had to ascribe a theory it would be ultimately from the universal mind.

Edited January 29, 2022 by Mr H

[Mr H]

58 minutes ago, Campion said:

@Mr H  "So all there is, is God. Anything we see or experience is a modulation of God. From this absolutist point of view, there is nobody there to do anything to anything or to anyone, because there are no selves, just god. No one is really doing anything to anyone but to themselves......."

 

"All there is, is God" - sounds like pantheism which is the only kind of God I can understand. It's an interpretation of Deuteronomy 4:35 "besides him there is no other. "   However that's an absolute pov; if evil exists, that's God too of course. 

 

What is evil? My best guess so far is actions based on selfishness and greed. But we have to be selfish to some extent to survive, we eat other species as food, build our homes and farms etc on other species' habitats. So relatively speaking, every creature is evil from the pov of its prey. 

 

Also relatively, dualistically, speaking, evil & good are a mutually arising pair. So in that sense God (the Universe) "allows" evil because it "allows" good. If you want to get rid of evil you need to also get rid of good into a mystical one-ness. God loves everyone right? That includes both good & evil. 

 

"This is why I try and speak from the two perspectives. 1 - from the absolute pov. And 2. from the relative pov. "

 

This is an important point, and reconciling the apparent difference between absolute vs relative, unity vs diversity, wholeness vs fragmentation, dual vs nondual is the basic job of spirituality imo. 
 

Some great insight, thank you brother. And good description of evil.

[pi3141]

40 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I would question whether thoughts come from the subconscious - and exactly where and what the subconscious mind really is I do not know. Has anyone ever seen a subconscious mind? Has anyone ever found a memory? What did it look like?  Yet we talk about these things (myself included at times) as if we know what they are and where they are. Similarly with thoughts, If I am perfectly honest I do not know where they come from. If I had to ascribe a theory it would be ultimately from the universal mind.

 

Well obviously I can't know for certain but I think the thoughts that enter our subconscious do in fact come from our soul which is, as you say, connected to the Universal Mind or Source. It originates from this source into your subconscious and then through the Veil that separates your sub conscious and your conscious and we receive the thoughts in our conscious.

 

As for has anyone seen the Subconscious, well as an interesting experiment you can do is this - 

 

Take a candle into the Bathroom and light it and turn the main light off, position the candle so you can see yourself in the mirror. Then, from a few feet away from the mirror, stare into your own eyes. try not to focus on anything else, try to clear your mind and just stare into your eyes in the mirror. 

 

After a few minutes, your face and head should 'blur' and you will only be aware of your eyes, keep staring and then you will have a moment, you 'should' connect with your other self. You won't recognise yourself and feel like the eyes your staring at are someone else's. Its an un-nerving experience but it connects you with your other self through your subconscious mind - it lifts the veil that separates you from yourself.

 

Once you've done it, its like training a muscle, your other you is more easily able to pass the messages across through the veil between your subconscious and conscious. Its a way of training your psychic ability. 

 

That's as close as I've been to knowing your other self or seeing the subconscious mind, if you will.

[Mr H]

27 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Well obviously I can't know for certain but I think the thoughts that enter our subconscious do in fact come from our soul which is, as you say, connected to the Universal Mind or Source. It originates from this source into your subconscious and then through the Veil that separates your sub conscious and your conscious and we receive the thoughts in our conscious.

 

As for has anyone seen the Subconscious, well as an interesting experiment you can do is this - 

 

Take a candle into the Bathroom and light it and turn the main light off, position the candle so you can see yourself in the mirror. Then, from a few feet away from the mirror, stare into your own eyes. try not to focus on anything else, try to clear your mind and just stare into your eyes in the mirror. 

 

After a few minutes, your face and head should 'blur' and you will only be aware of your eyes, keep staring and then you will have a moment, you 'should' connect with your other self. You won't recognise yourself and feel like the eyes your staring at are someone else's. Its an un-nerving experience but it connects you with your other self through your subconscious mind - it lifts the veil that separates you from yourself.

 

Once you've done it, its like training a muscle, your other you is more easily able to pass the messages across through the veil between your subconscious and conscious. Its a way of training your psychic ability. 

 

That's as close as I've been to knowing your other self or seeing the subconscious mind, if you will.

Never heard of this exercise before. I will try it out of curiousity this week. TY.

 

RE Subconscious mind - I think this is just a concept and not really located in your head like everyone thinks. No one has ever seen or found a subconscious mind as far as I am aware, and after all this time and technology, you would have thought if it was in your head, somebody would have found it by now. But it is a convenient term to use for thoughts and activities that we seem to be not aware of in our conscious activity

[Campion]

 

@pi3141 sounds an interesting technique, similar to some meditations, I may try it out when I'm better. 

 

@Mr H Thanks for your reply to me above. 

 

"If I had to ascribe a theory it would be ultimately from the universal mind."

I'm open minded about this, curious to learn. but have you seen the universal mind, or know of someone who has? What is universal mind, is it similar to panpsychism (a theory I quite like)?

 

I find the idea of subconscious mind attractive too, otherwise my entire brain consists of what I'm conscious of. Where do I get my memories from, my language skill etc? If they're from a universal mind, how does it organise whose memories are whose, wouldn't we all share the same ones and get mixed up who we are?

[Guest m754]

7 hours ago, Origin said:

But it means that all our teachings, beliefs, conceptions---all are fake.. We have been living a lie all our lives..

Yes. But here and there are tiny hidden fragments that do not come from humans. Which only Experiencer could have seen. What is more than remarkable is that they still exist.

 

Also, will that not equate to the absurdism of Camus.. for instance. That everything is meaningless

What we leave behind is meaningless but not the experience itself.

 

And lastly, the question still remains--why this 'evil' dream in Plato's cave..why this what we are seeing?

So..if this is the opposite of Truth---the cave reflection is 'evil' because it is moving away from Truth and thus an inversion of Truth..? Therefore this evil we see..?

The reflections are nothing more than the failed dreams and illusions of finding the truth here. Humans can only simulate a negative copy. You can find traces of these attempts everywhere. Nothing lasts here. Everything will crumble into dust just like all the other predecessors. In the graveyard of human illusions. 

 

I wish to drop all illusions now.

Then find out why humans lie, and why they believe that this is real. 

 

 

Thanks for explaining this ..Origin.

 

 

[peter]

On 1/27/2022 at 7:27 PM, Gjergj Skënderbeu said:

Children aren't sinners, but they'll inevitably grow up to be sinners. Unless they find Jesus. Our bond with God has been broken by sin, the only way to heal it is through Jesus.

why do you need Jesus to do the right thing and live life accordingly.

if everybody treated everyone else as they themselves would wish to be treated Jesus wouldn't need to come into it.

What about the religious person that goes to church on a regular basis then goes home and beats his wife,  all he has to do is go back to church confess and with a few hail Mary's he's good to go again next week

Edited January 30, 2022 by peter

[Origin]

13 hours ago, m754 said:

 

Thanks for explaining this ..Origin.

 

 

... If you observe everything that defines Humans you will find that they are all stuck in this very prison. Since I can also study it from a different perspective, I also know that something caused all this. Even though it is far above us, for me it is nowhere near as positive as Humans believe it to be.

[Diesel]

I wanted to know what is your best explanation as to why God allows evil in this world?

 

This as we know is a matrix, its design is to bring us back to god, it is a form of hell and manafests in our lifetime our worse fears, its a computer simulation run on children, and it comes to an end when Jesus arrives. Its to remove the evil among us. The chosen will go to paradise.

[jjjamson]

On 1/26/2022 at 1:30 AM, alexa said:

 

It isn't God's fault that evil exists, it is the fault of those whom he created i.e Satan.

 

There was a semi-interesting mythvision podcast on this exact topic (more or less) recently. 

They were oddly careful and coy about stating their conclusion. Instead of explicitly saying so, they continually implied that the G/od of the bible could not be what was claimed (pure love) since he either created the entity responsible for all evil, or was directly responsible for all evil since God's omniscience clearly allowed God to foresee all that would happen. 

 

Richard Carrier takes things a step further and states his conclusion more explicitly: he believes there is no God since none of the tenets is fulfilled:

 

a. if God is all knowing, he should have known in advance that creating the angel who would fall and create evil was a mistake

 

b. since God is omnipotent as well as omniscient, then he must be allowing evil acts to occur, since God is allowing this evil to occur (clearly an omnipotent God could end evil at any moment) negating the claim that God is pure love (after all, how could pure love allow for genocide, homicide, suicide on such a mass scale century after century)

 

c. since God knew his actions would lead to evil and did not prevent it from happening, God is in fact responsible for all acts of evil

 

d. therefore, the God of Christianity cannot possibly exist since by definition a God which is all powerful, all knowing and all loving could not possibly allow suffering on such a mass scale indefinitely. 

 

This is in addition to the problem of historicity. Not to mention the striking and obvious parallels to sun worship, as well as the historical parallels between the events in the bible and roman imperial conquest. Add to that the parallels between the old and new testament. 

 

Clearly, the God of the old testament is strikingly "human" in temperament, punishing his children, sending locusts, plagues, and doling out severe punishments such as plagues, pestilence, forced exile, demanding human sacrifice, etc. 

 

So, Carrier's logic leads him to conclude that since the christian God is illogical according to it's own premises, there is no God. 

 

I'm not sure if that logic holds since his entire argument is predicated on Christian and biblical premises, and there are certainly other ways of making the case for a God, if not a christian one specifically. 

[jjjamson]

On 1/27/2022 at 12:58 AM, Mr H said:

Thank you. I have to say that I have not really understood or felt comfortable with this view that we are sinners and Jesus died for our sins. Will have to give this some more thought. To me it feels like - and I have no evidence for it - adopting this perspective is an attempt to control the masses into behaving themselves, in an early society with primative societal and judiciary structures. But I could be totally wrong. That's just my gut feeling about it. When I look at children they do not seem like sinners.

 

I've heard the "explanation" of Jesus giving his life for our sins and regardless of how many times this claim is repeated, explained or elaborated upon, it's never made sense logically.

 

1. since Jesus is God, and hence immortal, he cannot actually die. Therefore, the loss of his physical body is not an actual death, but technically speaking, a mere transition from physical back to spiritual form. 

 

2. the triumverate makes no sense to me either. What is the "holy spirit" and how is it different from "God" and the "Son"/Sun of God? Why is separating God into a trinity necessary in the first place?

 

3. Since God and the Son are ONE, how can the "Father" forsake the "Son?"

 

4. why is Christianity defined as monotheistic if there are at least 3 Gods?

 

5. assuming Jesus "died" why was this "death" necessary? Apparently, Jesus was "sacrificing" himself (after all, Jesus was/is/always will be all powerful and could have easily prevented his physical death) in order to prevent all of humanity from eternal damnation?

 

a. if so, why would "God" demand a sacrifice? This sounds just like the satanic Gods who demand human sacrifices.

 

b. why would God the all loving Father demand the sacrifice involving excruciating agony of his own Son?

 

c. why would God even entertain the prospect of condemning the entire human population to eternal damnation if they/we are his children and he loves us unconditionally and he himself is Pure Love?

 

There are so many logical fallacies and contradictions, and I've only touched upon a few here, it's easy to conclude that Christian narratives are a hopelessly jumbled mess invented in large part for purposes of political control (council of nicea?).

 

Namely, Christianity folds in a laundry list of various overlapping as well as contradictory ancient "gods" and forms of worship, pagan, sun worship, various greek, roman and egyptian moral systems and so on. 

 

Making any logical sense of any of it is a hopeless exercise since it is essentially a mish mash and combination of previous forms of mysticism and spirituality inter-woven into an ugly, convoluted patchwork instead of a truly systematic attempt to understand spirituality and morality. 

 

 

 

[jjjamson]

On 1/27/2022 at 2:56 PM, Nemo said:

"Why does God allow Evil"?

 

I do hate this question because it starts with a fundamental misunderstanding of God and ends with a complete misunderstanding of man.

 

We are not as 'Sims' characters with God as the omnipotent player one. You know those questions that are a paradox like the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object, well its kind of like that, where the existence of one negates the existence of the other.

 

So, because we have 'Free Will' where therefore is God to stop man freely committing an act of Evil and what if half the people believe the act is Evil and the other half believe the act was Good?

 

Well its simply because 'We Are In Charge, We Are Responsible'.

 

So then we return to fundamental definitions and distinctions.

 

Who or what is God? Clearly, there is some fundamental difference

 

man = finite knowledge and capability

God = infinite knowledge and capability

 

infinite knowledge by definition means any and all actions, thoughts and feelings of all finite beings is known in advance, hence, the calvinist doctrine of predestination.

 

What WE in our finite timeline, perspective and knowledge, perceive our own actions as the product of our free will. But GOD in his (how can God be a he if he is infinite rather than tied to a specific sex/gender identity?) infinite wisdom (literally, not figuratively) knows exactly what we will think, feel and of course, do. God's infinitude means that what we perceive as "free" and open ended choice is actually pre-determined, even pre-destined.

 

In essence, our perception of free will is simply an error (i.e., limitation) in perception given our inability to perceive the infinite timeline perspective of God. What we PERCEIVE as choice is merely predestination we are unable to comprehend from a God's eye view. 

 

So, the question is since you reject a definition of God as omnipotent, then God is by definition limited and finite in power and knowledge. A reasonable proposition, but then the question is HOW limited is God in knowledge and capability? How can we figure out the limits of God's power and knowledge?

 

Since you reject the notions of omnipotence and omniscience, then how is God any different from man, since both are finite in knowledge and capability?

 

Sure, you could argue that God is MORE knowledgeable and capable than humans, but then you could just as easily argue, with overwhelming evidence, that since there is enormous inequality AMONG various humans and human groups in knowledge and capability then this principle of inequality could be used to justify the claim that some people are GODS!

 

Aren't these the types of claims that led to the abuses of the Roman Empire? Of the specious claims of Divine Right of kings? Or even of the wacky claims of the entertainment industry that we should worship celebrities as if they were gods?

Edited February 1, 2022 by jjjamson

[Nemo]

So there are demigods, creator gods but the Ain, the unknowable quintessence the ultimate all Father is an unmanifest consciousness which can only be known by its manifestations. Like you can't see darkness but the light that comes forth or manifests.

 

This God (capital G) there is nothing before, it is the ultimate rake from which everything in every realm comes forth.

 

As for knowing or seeing this God, only its manifestations can be experienced and only after pushing form through many realities until we can perceive it.

 

We are extremely far from the All, after all we are but a few steps up from gross matter.

[Mr H]

On 1/29/2022 at 8:37 PM, Campion said:

 

@pi3141 sounds an interesting technique, similar to some meditations, I may try it out when I'm better. 

 

@Mr H Thanks for your reply to me above. 

 

"If I had to ascribe a theory it would be ultimately from the universal mind."

I'm open minded about this, curious to learn. but have you seen the universal mind, or know of someone who has? What is universal mind, is it similar to panpsychism (a theory I quite like)?

 

I find the idea of subconscious mind attractive too, otherwise my entire brain consists of what I'm conscious of. Where do I get my memories from, my language skill etc? If they're from a universal mind, how does it organise whose memories are whose, wouldn't we all share the same ones and get mixed up who we are?

My experience through self enquiry is that ultimately, at the highest level there is only one "thing" we can call it God or universe, Kali whatever suits your cultural preference.

 

How the whole construct works - from going to one thing to many seemingly individuated things. I cannot say with 100% certainty. The information I get, is that part of this structure are souls (fractions of the one) - each with their own uniqueness. Acting like conduits for specific information dissemination to earthly beings. These things are hard to know for sure - so I encourage you to meditate and connect and see what answers you get.

Edited February 1, 2022 by Mr H

[Mr H]

2 hours ago, jjjamson said:

 

I've heard the "explanation" of Jesus giving his life for our sins and regardless of how many times this claim is repeated, explained or elaborated upon, it's never made sense logically.

 

1. since Jesus is God, and hence immortal, he cannot actually die. Therefore, the loss of his physical body is not an actual death, but technically speaking, a mere transition from physical back to spiritual form. 

 

2. the triumverate makes no sense to me either. What is the "holy spirit" and how is it different from "God" and the "Son"/Sun of God? Why is separating God into a trinity necessary in the first place?

 

3. Since God and the Son are ONE, how can the "Father" forsake the "Son?"

 

4. why is Christianity defined as monotheistic if there are at least 3 Gods?

 

5. assuming Jesus "died" why was this "death" necessary? Apparently, Jesus was "sacrificing" himself (after all, Jesus was/is/always will be all powerful and could have easily prevented his physical death) in order to prevent all of humanity from eternal damnation?

 

a. if so, why would "God" demand a sacrifice? This sounds just like the satanic Gods who demand human sacrifices.

 

b. why would God the all loving Father demand the sacrifice involving excruciating agony of his own Son?

 

c. why would God even entertain the prospect of condemning the entire human population to eternal damnation if they/we are his children and he loves us unconditionally and he himself is Pure Love?

 

There are so many logical fallacies and contradictions, and I've only touched upon a few here, it's easy to conclude that Christian narratives are a hopelessly jumbled mess invented in large part for purposes of political control (council of nicea?).

 

Namely, Christianity folds in a laundry list of various overlapping as well as contradictory ancient "gods" and forms of worship, pagan, sun worship, various greek, roman and egyptian moral systems and so on. 

 

Making any logical sense of any of it is a hopeless exercise since it is essentially a mish mash and combination of previous forms of mysticism and spirituality inter-woven into an ugly, convoluted patchwork instead of a truly systematic attempt to understand spirituality and morality. 

 

 

 

HI there and thanks for your contribution.

 

I will let someone with more expert knowledge on Christianity answer those questions.

 

My guidance and research points towards - the bible has been heavily distorted over the years as a means to control people. I think it contains many truths, but also untruths. Even when you read the bible, you can kind of just sense this energy. Somethings just go straight into the heart space and resonate, and somethings just stink of BS! And make no sense......

[jjjamson]

11 hours ago, Nemo said:

So there are demigods, creator gods but the Ain, the unknowable quintessence the ultimate all Father is an unmanifest consciousness which can only be known by its manifestations. Like you can't see darkness but the light that comes forth or manifests.

 

This God (capital G) there is nothing before, it is the ultimate rake from which everything in every realm comes forth.

 

As for knowing or seeing this God, only its manifestations can be experienced and only after pushing form through many realities until we can perceive it.

 

We are extremely far from the All, after all we are but a few steps up from gross matter.

I'm not familiar with which religion uses the term quintessence, however:

 

-an "unknowable quintessence" cannot possibly be referred to as a father, much less an all father, since by definition we don't know who or what this quintessence is, much less how it operates

 

-if we were to speculate about a creator, couldn't this being just as logically or even more logically be referred to as a mother, since mothers give birth?

 

-why even use terms like father and mother at all, since they are clearly references to biological acts (sexual reproduction) in the material realm, and are not spiritual concepts

 

-even the term "manifestations" is a huge leap. The unknowable is just that: we don't know what this being produces or how. We are merely speculating rather than "knowing" correct?

 

-I suppose you could get around this logical limitation by saying as you do that God creates all. Then you return the logical problems already discussed above, where an all loving all knowing spiritually pure God creates the fallen angel immediately responsible for all evil, foresees it, allows it and never does anything to prevent it.

 

Not to mention the christian God is documented as a being which brings about calamity and destruction and suffering on a mass scale. 

 

Anthropomorphizing is a very common strategy, what other alternatives do we have for understanding the spiritual realm really, but it means that just about every attempt to do so will inevitably lead back to humans describing ourselves rather than a God. 

 

It's a rather strange and perhaps inevitable paradox that the more we attempt to describe the other, the transcendent, the quintessence, the more detailed an elaboration we inevitably produce of ourselves!

Edited February 1, 2022 by jjjamson

[jjjamson]

I was reading a book by an author who is an avowed Christian, clearly doing his best to live a principled, Godly life.

In his intro, he mentions the many people who helped and inspired him, as well as friends and family. He spoke graciously of how kind and wonderful, hard working and principled they all were. He also celebrated the lives of friends and family he knew who had recently passed.

 

Here's the rub. It's likely that some significant percentage of those kind souls were not christian. That means that according to Christian teaching if they had not accepted Jesus Christ as lord and savior, they were all going to hell. For eternity. 

 

Again, I mention mythvision. They had an interesting episode where they pointed out that this christian conception of hell, popularly understood, posits infinite punishment for a finite crime. And it's very difficult perhaps even impossible to claim that not accepting jesus as lord/savior constitutes a crime of any sort.

 

There are still millions unfamiliar with Christianity. Other millions are not literate and do not have access to books or electronic media devices. What about the people who are familiar but still live principled lives where they are kind and gracious and strive to make a meaningful contribution but have not accepted jesus christ as lord/savior? Hell. In other words, they are not committing any crime or sin. They are merely non-believers. 

Therefore, leading a morally upright life is not important at all. All one need do is accept Jesus Christ as lord/savior. From that point on, one can in theory commit an endless list of sins as long as they ask forgiveness? Whereas a person who is perpetually kind and loving but does not accept jesus as lord/savior is condemned to eternal hell. 

 

Again, the christian God "allows" sin of all kinds in theory, as long as you submit and ask for forgiveness. Ultimately, the key principle of christianity appears to be submission. 

 

 

[Nemo]

- Such rationalism is the Bain of spiritualism.

 

Much like the theologians you've reasoned yourself into the Abyss.

[DaleP]

On 1/25/2022 at 8:33 AM, Mr H said:

But for humans to exist into the "future" there needs to be duality, needs to be male and female. So this is the inception point of the possibility of duality. Before this it didn't exist, no good nor evil only is......

 

So good and evil is an extension of this world of duality that we need to function on this planet as humans. It is a result and natural process into the exploration of being a human.

 

Now why does "God" not intervene. Well 2 things.

 

1. God gave you the responsibility as a sovereign individual to do as you please on this planet. Therefore, it would be a contradiction to then intervene because you wouldn't then be sovereign.

 

2. More truthfully, you are God. 

 

In both of the above, the proper intervention for dealing with Evil if this is deemed not to be something we wish not to experience would be for you as either a sovereign individual or God, to take the appropriate action. However, we must also understand the duality of things. We cannot have good without having evil. And it is pointless trying to communicate with the God presence where duality doesn't exist to intervene. It is at this level of consciousness/god that we have to intervene if we don't like something.

 

I agree aside from those point above.

 

Good and evil only exists from a personal perception pov.

For example, take our favourite subject: vax.

Wwe think it's evil because of numerous effects it brings, on the other hand, those that are promoting the vax think it's good for their set of reasons. So we have a vax issue and it is both good and evil at the same time. If you think from an alchemical transformation pov, vaxx situation can be looked as good even because it is awakening people even with detrimental effects we may be experiencing. Everything is temporary, nothing in this world is permanent which can be a blessing ro curse. The way I look at it, if this is a journey towards God which is of oneness, non-duality, you will need learn to be able to flip any situation being a creator. This is the skill you need to master because polarized person cannot enter the Kingdom of God which is not polarlized.

 

Furthermore, whether an experience is something you want to experience or not is also a personal choice.#

Some wants a family, some don't want that kind of responsibility and do their own thing.

 

God does not intervene because this consciousness is like the law. The law defines something and state a condition thereof, it does not intervene. It's like a wall, a boundary (condition) is set and it does nothing by itself until someone walks into it producing a consequence e.g. injury. If you've learned the law and not walk into a wall, then you won't get hurt.

 

 

 

[DaleP]

On 1/26/2022 at 10:26 AM, peter said:

If he is all knowing and all seeing he should have known this shit would happen so the buck stops with him

If he was a builder and built a house and it fell down ,what it's the houses fault

 

In this instance, I'd say it's your fault by choosing an incompetent builder. 

 

[DaleP]

On 1/26/2022 at 9:18 PM, novymir said:

There is no Will but GOD'S Will. "Free will" is an ego generated idea that is only operative in the Matrix(fraudulently), it(ego) uses this fraudulent idea to accuse and guilt-trip humans into assuming either an unworthiness or an "evil' identity---in other words assuming the identity of the ego, and then at death the scheme is to condemn them that were duped into accepting this false-identity(illusion/dream identity) into either an experience/perception of out and out "hell', or to reincarnate back into this egoMatrix "hell", "to learn their lesson". They are being prepped and set-up to fail to exit this thing.

 

"“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to." Mathew 23;13 (they are possessed, or; out and out completely artificial projections of ego). The "ego" cannot enter Reality(The Kingdom Of Heaven).
 

 

There is no Will but GOD'S Will. Freedom is IT'S Nature. Ego-will is not True Will.

It's a joke....all this talk about "free-will" here( this "world")...by them that apparently think they're safe...but they don't know what this thing is, what they really are, and where they really are....but they "know" about "free-will"....EVERYTHING THAT IS REAL IS THE WILL OF GOD. That which is not real is nothing and nowhere...mere fantasy, of no real consequence or effect...beyond a momentary tuning out and away from Reality. "Evil" cannot happen in Reality( does that mean we're not "free", or "enslaved"?). So, how does the dualistic "free-will" idea work in Reality, it doesn't, ALL IS ONE IN TRUTH(Reality), not dual.

 

How we identify will determine our actions. False identity, and thereby opposite to True Nature, will result in "evil" behavior, but it's the ego...playing humans, it plays both sides of the yin-yang...duality..good-cop/bad-cop...it's the perpetrator, and the punisher---two-faced liar and murderer---the "Father of Lies"....ARTIFICIAL, illusion=egoMatrix. Dream of lies, that has no real effect or consequence on or in Reality, except interruption of communication and awareness of RealSelf, Reality, and GOD.

 

What GOD Created is The Real, and only The Real, and, what GOD Created is completely Loving and Lovable Forever. And All that is compatible and in alignment with THAT is Real(the Real Is-real).

 

Anything else and....The Matrix has you...

 

 

 

Here is the thing,

if you realise that you are a part of the Creator.... (you could be ITs/his toenail or finger if you like ) then what you want to accomplish (your will) is the God's will. In another words, you align yourself to the God's will. This realisation makes difference. While God's essence in everything from your biro, plants, animals to you..... the God work through you to create dense situation here. If you channel various gods, you know what I mean. The smaller gods, even demons are of the God, God's creation and they have different characteristics, a kind of role they are assigned to e.g. destroyer, wealth generator, deals with family matter and so on.

 

[DaleP]

On 1/27/2022 at 1:37 AM, m754 said:

It might be that the purpose of evil or it being 'allowed' is a sort of counter-measure to the little ego's game

 

Counter measure for sure.

This duality is described in the Hermetic law, the law of Rhythm. For a frequency to be produced, the wave/vibration must contain both peak and trough. It's science. Not a game per se.

[DaleP]

On 1/27/2022 at 8:54 AM, Mr H said:

That you stick rigorously to the absolute pov, which is the perspective of truth.

 

It's worth meditating on "There is no such thing as absolute truth"

 

[DaleP]

On 1/27/2022 at 9:06 AM, Mr H said:

If I look at my experience - 90 odd% + of all of my functions are performed via the subconscious mind. There is no free will to be found there.

 

Subconscious - Link to the Divine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_7IHsOrktw

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoxhdF203ls

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by DaleP

[Guest m754]

5 hours ago, DaleP said:

 

Counter measure for sure.

This duality is described in the Hermetic law, the law of Rhythm. For a frequency to be produced, the wave/vibration must contain both peak and trough. It's science. Not a game per se.

 

Well..much of what is explained in layman's language or 'spiritual' terms actually has a scientific basis. That is what science originally was. The separation of science and spirituality as two opposite and opposing fields of study was wrong in the first place.

There is nothing else to study but the nature of the self. Nothing else to dissect. All answers are there.

The little ego however lives in the false hope that it can bypass this supreme law and rule over this 'game' it believes it is playing.....hence it tries and fails again and again..

and with each trial, the show becomes uglier ...which would be the evil we perceive...