Best answer to the question, why does God allow evil?

[Guest m754]

 

It might be that the purpose of evil or it being 'allowed' is a sort of counter-measure to the little ego's game--The ego game comes pre-packed with the baggage of evil--such that every fake material joy etc here will come with the baggage of sorrow through the act of evil.

 

It is thus a wake up call, an alarm system that tells the dreamer caught in this fake ego identification that this is the wrong path.

 

And also---perhaps if it is all an appearance on the One field---a temporary appearance of matter forms---nothing is being harmed, and nobody needs to be saved from evil.

 

The 'feeling' of evil might be the aforementioned programming in us--the false ego dreamer-- that anything that runs contrary to self-preservation of this ego/ body identity and that makes us unhappy is seen as evil. So we wish to wipe out that which makes us less happy or less in 'control'. But since the Ultimate dreamer/ power centre is God himself, there can be no winning in this yo-yo game of good-bad, until we realize this and wake up. We can merely play within closed loops of cause-effect for 'eternity' And this can get boring for old souls...

 

If one  in current incarnation is on 'victim' side of a deluge of evil being poured on oneself and is in deep pain, it maybe due to the reason that the alarm bells are really going off to awaken that person.

 

Nothing is 'born' as a separate thing, mere temporary shape modulation of matter---that is caused by the code embedded in energy body and that is only freed when there is no more yo-yo turbulence in this memory body.

The oscillating stops. There is Silence. One realises there was no good, evil, nobody else, just the One ...whose 'reflection' was caught in this fake reality.

 

There can be no way a Superior All knowing Intelligence will allow this shite show otherwise, unless it knows that nothing is being affected. It waits for the false ego bubbles to burst. Evil is required for this purpose...else the ego bubble will never burst.

 

 

 

[alexa]

4 hours ago, peter said:

Just like your book ,I doubt it

 

And what book might that be ? 

[alexa]

3 hours ago, m754 said:

There can be no way a Superior All knowing Intelligence will allow this shite show otherwise, unless it knows that nothing is being affected

 

Evil spelt backwards is live, so maybe we have to know evil in order to know good i.e

Light & darkness the yin-yang etc. So maybe this is why God allows evil to exist, to teach us right from wrong.

 

Edited January 27, 2022 by alexa

[peter]

1 hour ago, alexa said:

 

And what book might that be ? 

Don't act like you haven't got a clue ,however you do it so well

[alexa]

36 minutes ago, peter said:

Don't act like you haven't got a clue ,however you do it so well

 

There are 66 books in the Bible 

[peter]

1 hour ago, alexa said:

 

There are 66 books in the Bible 

You may call them books but they're just chapters In the bible,I will concede that the book of Enoch could be classified as being separate though

Edited January 27, 2022 by peter

[Mr H]

16 hours ago, novymir said:

"Evil" isn't real. You-all are dreaming a dream of fantasy and non-sense.....it will seem "real", but that doesn't make it so. Being "parts" or an "extension" of GOD doesn't make you GOD either...GOD IS THE ALL-ENCOMPASSING ONE LIFE LOVE SPIRIT BEING. As IT IS, IT Knows not of "evil", IT Knows The Truth, and Reality of What IT IS and what IT Created....not fantasies and illusions in contradiction to WHAT ACTUALLY IS....and Ever Shall BE.

 

This is a stupid virtual-reality game. Any Loveliness experienced or perceived is not of this world.

You're(we're, I'm(our)) in your head, a self-induced trance...making up a world that is nothing and nowhere. Hahahaha....

 

Deny, deny, deny.....like a spoiled brat(hello "Lucifer") that can't get what they "think" they want=....(hell).   GOD KNOWS BEST. Amazing Grace----otherwise we'd be f-cked.

 

"...no one comes to The Father except through Me..."...is not a threat, or a demand....it's just the way it is.

 

That is, The Son= the Greater Consciousness Spirit(Totality of Creation) of which we virtually detached from---The Son(The One) and The Father( THE ONE) are ONE, reconnecting with that "wavelength", is the story of The Prodigal Son(Luciferian consciousness of detachment) returning/rejoining Reality. One part at a time.

Fragmented=Us.

 

We're like in a room full of people actually living Life amongst themselves...and we're in a corner totally tuned out...day-deaming a nightmare compared to Reality...they know we're fine, perfectly safe....they do attempt to snap him out of it...but they won't try to force him to wake up out of it....they just sense when he's opening up to The Truth and then answer the call...why Jesus did what he did...it's all done on a wavelength, psychically...

The "ego" is diametrically opposed to anyone waking up...it has taken over the dream...so, it will most certainly do everything it can to deny and "refute" The Truth...which of course is an effort in futility...only a delaying of The Inevitable.

I have digested what you have said. And I can understand what you're saying and it makes sense. 

 

This is why I try and speak from the two perspectives. 1 - from the absolute pov. And 2. from the relative pov. I think - please correct me if I am wrong. That you stick rigorously to the absolute pov, which is the perspective of truth. Where as I have given some credence if you like, to the relative perspective. Perhaps I need to dissolute my ideas around the relative perspective?

[Mr H]

13 hours ago, Gjergj Skënderbeu said:

I'm not a big fan of Billy Graham but he did answer this question perfectly imo

 

 

Thank you. I have to say that I have not really understood or felt comfortable with this view that we are sinners and Jesus died for our sins. Will have to give this some more thought. To me it feels like - and I have no evidence for it - adopting this perspective is an attempt to control the masses into behaving themselves, in an early society with primative societal and judiciary structures. But I could be totally wrong. That's just my gut feeling about it. When I look at children they do not seem like sinners.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Mr H

[Mr H]

12 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Hi Mr H

 

I go with option 1!

 

God allows it because it allows Free Will. It has to be that way or we would be like robots or predestined beings that have no control over our lives. This is not the game, the game is free will, individual responsibility and collective responsibility. The gift is life and all that entails. Life is an experience and you can view it like a game in some respects or you can view it as a prison. But even if you do you can transcend and realise your prison can be just as much a teacher or a training ground as anything else and embrace that training to gain your experience. Its just a state of mind.

 

If we just followed the maxim of the prophets - 'Treat everyone as you wish yourself to be treated' - we would have heaven on Earth and evil would 'mostly' disappear. Its our choice, we've been shown the way, its just our free will to choose that option, which we don't do, that prevents us realising the dream.

 

Its not God's fault evil exist in this world, its mostly ours.

Thank you.

 

The problem I have with free will, is that when I checked it out for myself - it doesn't seem like I have ANY free will.

 

To explain.

 

If I look at my experience - 90 odd% + of all of my functions are performed via the subconscious mind. There is no free will to be found there.

 

When I observe my conscious activity - which accounts for a small % of my overall experience, it consists of thoughts and images and feelings. When I observe these carefully and where they come from - it is apparent that they don't come from "me" they come from somewhere else which I will call the placeless place. And I have no control over them. Thoughts come from somewhere, they appear in "my" consciousness, "my" consciousness claims that it created it and takes the bow. Even the "I am choosing" thought is really an after thought when I really closely examine it. So I don't experience free will in the sense that it is commonly thought about. Which is not to say that there is not free will - it just doesn't exist at the human level - it only exists at the absolute level, by the one and only true mind. It is then expressed through us, and we then take the claim.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Mr H

[Gjergj Skënderbeu]

26 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Thank you. I have to say that I have not really understood or felt comfortable with this view that we are sinners and Jesus died for our sins. Will have to give this some more thought. To me it feels like - and I have no evidence for it - adopting this perspective is an attempt to control the masses into behaving themselves, in an early society with primative societal and judiciary structures. But I could be totally wrong. That's just my gut feeling about it. When I look at children they do not seem like sinners.

Children aren't sinners, but they'll inevitably grow up to be sinners. Unless they find Jesus. Our bond with God has been broken by sin, the only way to heal it is through Jesus.

[Origin]

14 hours ago, m754 said:

 

There can be no way a Superior All knowing Intelligence will allow this shite show otherwise, unless it knows that nothing is being affected. It waits for the false ego bubbles to burst. Evil is required for this purpose...else the ego bubble will never burst.

 

 

 

Humans have the free choice to be everything they think is right. They can elevate themselves above others or become monsters. Nothing will be forgotten. And those who will be most affected are those who caused it. That is the price of free will. It was also a free choice to imagine good and evil. 

[novymir]

37 minutes ago, Origin said:

Humans have the free choice to be everything they think is right. They can elevate themselves above others or become monsters. Nothing will be forgotten. And those who will be most affected are those who caused it. That is the price of free will. It was also a free choice to imagine good and evil. 

Tell that to someone who was sold or given as a child or infant to ones already acting as "monsters".

Only them duped by anti-Christ would "agree" to such an experience, prior to being "born". Any such "karma" idea or explanation is fraudulent, because it is predictable and probable someone subjected to such treatment will grow up, if they survive, to be a "tortured soul" and act out as they were taught what they are and what life is. And then the cycle is repeated...or so, the ego would "hope"/intend.

[novymir]

9 hours ago, Mr H said:

I have digested what you have said. And I can understand what you're saying and it makes sense. 

 

This is why I try and speak from the two perspectives. 1 - from the absolute pov. And 2. from the relative pov. I think - please correct me if I am wrong. That you stick rigorously to the absolute pov, which is the perspective of truth. Where as I have given some credence if you like, to the relative perspective. Perhaps I need to dissolute my ideas around the relative perspective?

I've decided/accepted that real power and Life comes from the "Absolute". I've played this game for awhile, and don't see any future in it, and realized I'm not required to continue, so, I'm just progressing on my way out, and sharing some things and ideas that I've learned along the way, with them that are at or near that point too, maybe to help clarify or reduce time spent in confusion and frustration like I did for quit awhile.

Jesus said "...build your house on rock, not sand..."...the "house" is "system of belief" or frame of reference...The Truth is The Rock. And It endures forever, while all the others will just collapse, probably when least expected...(ouch!).

 

[pi3141]

10 hours ago, Mr H said:

If I look at my experience - 90 odd% + of all of my functions are performed via the subconscious mind. There is no free will to be found there.

 

Yes I think I follow you but if I understand correctly then I would say 'All' our thoughts come from the Subconscious but our Free Will ability comes into play when we overide the thoughts from our Subconscious and do our own thing, something we generally do a lot.

 

A person attuned to their subconscious and acting on its instruction alone, without allowing their free will or ego to take over, would be a highly advanced spiritual being. 

 

But that kind of takes the fun out of it, the idea is to progress your consciousness to the point where it also acts/behaves like the subconsciousness and we do exist almost perfectly with our 'demons' and ego tempered and controlled by our free will or conscious brain. That's the lesson, if you will, that we're here for, to try and advance ourselves, obtain 'Christ Consciousness' to be acting perfectly balanced, following our heart and making our conscious like our sub conscious.

 

Notice I said 'Christ Consciousness' not 'Christ Subconsciousness' because your Sub conscious is already 'A Christ' (The kingdom of heaven is within you) but we're partly separated from it by the Human Condition. While your subconscious is already connected with the source and acts in accordance with it.

 

But that's not for everyone, some people are on entirely different spiritual journey.

Edited January 27, 2022 by pi3141

[Nemo]

"Why does God allow Evil"?

 

I do hate this question because it starts with a fundamental misunderstanding of God and ends with a complete misunderstanding of man.

 

We are not as 'Sims' characters with God as the omnipotent player one. You know those questions that are a paradox like the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object, well its kind of like that, where the existence of one negates the existence of the other.

 

So, because we have 'Free Will' where therefore is God to stop man freely committing an act of Evil and what if half the people believe the act is Evil and the other half believe the act was Good?

 

Don't both sides of waring armies pray to God for Victory. Maybe whoever says the most prayers or has the best religion can win Gods favour...

 

The simple answer is that the Earth this physical real of gross matter is all temporary and transient as is the suffering and the joy the pleasure and the pain the Good and Evil.

 

All that God is concerned with is our souls. Those he shall deal with once they've transcended this physical realm and until then they shall accrue Karma throughout their continuations until they either ascend or descend.

 

Only then does God intervene upon our souls, our lives and only then are justice and karma dealt. What happens on this Earth, although often heart breaking it is well within our power to stop, to create a heaven on Earth or a hell. We are Gods upon Earth, we are the only sentient beings, no other animal comes close, we are the odd ones out here.

 

So why doesn't God just stop Evil if hes all powerful?

 

Well its simply because 'We Are In Charge, We Are Responsible'.

[Gjergj Skënderbeu]

56 minutes ago, Nemo said:

"Why does God allow Evil"?

 

I do hate this question because it starts with a fundamental misunderstanding of God and ends with a complete misunderstanding of man.

 

We are not as 'Sims' characters with God as the omnipotent player one. You know those questions that are a paradox like the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object, well its kind of like that, where the existence of one negates the existence of the other.

 

So, because we have 'Free Will' where therefore is God to stop man freely committing an act of Evil and what if half the people believe the act is Evil and the other half believe the act was Good?

 

Don't both sides of waring armies pray to God for Victory. Maybe whoever says the most prayers or has the best religion can win Gods favour...

 

The simple answer is that the Earth this physical real of gross matter is all temporary and transient as is the suffering and the joy the pleasure and the pain the Good and Evil.

 

All that God is concerned with is our souls. Those he shall deal with once they've transcended this physical realm and until then they shall accrue Karma throughout their continuations until they either ascend or descend.

 

Only then does God intervene upon our souls, our lives and only then are justice and karma dealt. What happens on this Earth, although often heart breaking it is well within our power to stop, to create a heaven on Earth or a hell. We are Gods upon Earth, we are the only sentient beings, no other animal comes close, we are the odd ones out here.

 

So why doesn't God just stop Evil if hes all powerful?

 

Well its simply because 'We Are In Charge, We Are Responsible'.

Some believe we're all "player one's" of our "SIM's characters" in a simulation world. And Lucifer has tricked us into believing we are just the SIM's characters. This is the real matrix.

[Guest m754]

5 hours ago, novymir said:

The Truth is The Rock

 

This is a very essential point. Without an anchor/ reference point, everything collapses into absurdity...and we become lost.. again and again..

Edited January 27, 2022 by m754

[Guest m754]

6 hours ago, novymir said:

Any such "karma" idea or explanation is fraudulent, because it is predictable and probable someone subjected to such treatment will grow up, if they survive, to be a "tortured soul" and act out as they were taught what they are and what life is. And then the cycle is repeated...or so, the ego would "hope"/intend.

 

Novymir...so you do not believe we've had past 'lives'..? Surely for one to be born different from another and have a set of pre-determined circumstances must imply a past 'cause'..? 

Did I understand this correctly?

[Nemo]

Yeah that's the Gnostic wisdom of the demiurge creator god, enticing spiritual beings into a the Soul System that traps spirits into matter that he can be their all powerful god.

 

The soul trap basically uses amnesia and karma to keep us bound. However Christ taught the path to freedom, to end the wheel of 'Samsara' or 'Continuation'.

 

A good book on this subject is 'Archons, Hidden Rulers Through The Ages.

 

[novymir]

4 hours ago, m754 said:

 

Novymir...so you do not believe we've had past 'lives'..? Surely for one to be born different from another and have a set of pre-determined circumstances must imply a past 'cause'..? 

Did I understand this correctly?

I reject and refute the validity and legitimacy of the "karma"/"reincarnation" idea,,, as an idea by the ego that is disingenious and hypocritical, and not of Truth. A possible ploy by the ego to keep it's host from exiting this thing and thereby killing a part of the larger ego. Killing is just a figure of speech...something that was never really alive cannot be killed, just dissolved/discarded as an idea thats utility has expired.

 

Bladerunner.

 

Christ. (Holy Spirit).

 

In the mind...

 

Game over.

Edited January 28, 2022 by novymir

[pi3141]

19 hours ago, novymir said:

I reject and refute the validity and legitimacy of the "karma"/"reincarnation" idea,,, 

 

Yes, so do I.

[Guest m754]

19 hours ago, novymir said:

I reject and refute the validity and legitimacy of the "karma"/"reincarnation" idea,,, as an idea by the ego that is disingenious and hypocritical, and not of Truth. A possible ploy by the ego to keep it's host from exiting this thing and thereby killing a part of the larger ego. Killing is just a figure of speech...something that was never really alive cannot be killed, just dissolved/discarded as an idea thats utility has expired.

 

Bladerunner.

 

Christ. (Holy Spirit).

 

In the mind...

 

Game over.

 

I think I understand this now..

 

But it means that all our teachings, beliefs, conceptions---all are fake.. We have been living a lie all our lives..

 

Also, will that not equate to the absurdism of Camus.. for instance. That everything is meaningless

 

And lastly, the question still remains--why this 'evil' dream in Plato's cave..why this what we are seeing?

 

So..if this is the opposite of Truth---the cave reflection is 'evil' because it is moving away from Truth and thus an inversion of Truth..? Therefore this evil we see..?

 

Sorry for the questions. I am working on letting go of many mis-conceptions that have served me no purpose merely 'inflated' my ego thinking I am being 'good'.

 

I wish to drop all illusions now.

 

[Origin]

15 hours ago, m754 said:

 

I think I understand this now..

 

But it means that all our teachings, beliefs, conceptions---all are fake.. We have been living a lie all our lives..

 

Also, will that not equate to the absurdism of Camus.. for instance. That everything is meaningless

 

And lastly, the question still remains--why this 'evil' dream in Plato's cave..why this what we are seeing?

 

So..if this is the opposite of Truth---the cave reflection is 'evil' because it is moving away from Truth and thus an inversion of Truth..? Therefore this evil we see..?

 

Sorry for the questions. I am working on letting go of many mis-conceptions that have served me no purpose merely 'inflated' my ego thinking I am being 'good'.

 

I wish to drop all illusions now.

 

But it means that all our teachings, beliefs, conceptions---all are fake.. We have been living a lie all our lives..

Yes. But here and there are tiny hidden fragments that do not come from humans. Which only Experiencer could have seen. What is more than remarkable is that they still exist.

 

Also, will that not equate to the absurdism of Camus.. for instance. That everything is meaningless

What we leave behind is meaningless but not the experience itself.

 

And lastly, the question still remains--why this 'evil' dream in Plato's cave..why this what we are seeing?

So..if this is the opposite of Truth---the cave reflection is 'evil' because it is moving away from Truth and thus an inversion of Truth..? Therefore this evil we see..?

The reflections are nothing more than the failed dreams and illusions of finding the truth here. Humans can only simulate a negative copy. You can find traces of these attempts everywhere. Nothing lasts here. Everything will crumble into dust just like all the other predecessors. In the graveyard of human illusions. 

 

I wish to drop all illusions now.

Then find out why humans lie, and why they believe that this is real. 

 

[Campion]

@Mr H  "So all there is, is God. Anything we see or experience is a modulation of God. From this absolutist point of view, there is nobody there to do anything to anything or to anyone, because there are no selves, just god. No one is really doing anything to anyone but to themselves......."

 

"All there is, is God" - sounds like pantheism which is the only kind of God I can understand. It's an interpretation of Deuteronomy 4:35 "besides him there is no other. "   However that's an absolute pov; if evil exists, that's God too of course. 

 

What is evil? My best guess so far is actions based on selfishness and greed. But we have to be selfish to some extent to survive, we eat other species as food, build our homes and farms etc on other species' habitats. So relatively speaking, every creature is evil from the pov of its prey. 

 

Also relatively, dualistically, speaking, evil & good are a mutually arising pair. So in that sense God (the Universe) "allows" evil because it "allows" good. If you want to get rid of evil you need to also get rid of good into a mystical one-ness. God loves everyone right? That includes both good & evil. 

 

"This is why I try and speak from the two perspectives. 1 - from the absolute pov. And 2. from the relative pov. "

 

This is an important point, and reconciling the apparent difference between absolute vs relative, unity vs diversity, wholeness vs fragmentation, dual vs nondual is the basic job of spirituality imo. 
 

[Mr H]

On 1/27/2022 at 6:08 PM, novymir said:

I've decided/accepted that real power and Life comes from the "Absolute". I've played this game for awhile, and don't see any future in it, and realized I'm not required to continue, so, I'm just progressing on my way out, and sharing some things and ideas that I've learned along the way, with them that are at or near that point too, maybe to help clarify or reduce time spent in confusion and frustration like I did for quit awhile.

Jesus said "...build your house on rock, not sand..."...the "house" is "system of belief" or frame of reference...The Truth is The Rock. And It endures forever, while all the others will just collapse, probably when least expected...(ouch!).

 

Totally understand - no concessions!