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50 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

In that interview David icke labours the point about fascism, which is exactly what the MSM does!

 

One could argue there are not many differences between fascism and communism, but David keeps talking

about Nazis, thus imo reinforcing the Holocaust, Jews are victims narrative.

 

Imo it would be prefereable to use the term totalitarianism which Robert Kennedy Junior used in his

famous speech in Berlin August 2020, which most of the media ignored. It is reported a million Germans attended.

 

I've been following the Icke's headlines page of this website for much longer than i have been a member of their forums

 

I always assumed that everyone on the forums would be doing what i was doing which is to say looking at the headlines every day.

 

This was a mistake! I started looking at the forum and realised that there was actually a lot of things being said that were counter to what was being presented on the headlines page. This drove me to sign upto the forum

 

The ickes have supported for Robert kennedy for YEARS. They have been on the vaccine issue for YEARS

 

They have been banging that drum whilst most peoples head was still firmly embedded up their schving-schving

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It's just the nature of the beast. Just about any public figure is going to get attacked. Whether it's due to jealousy of their fame or notoriety, and/or the anonymity of the internet, there's simply no way of avoiding it. 

 

Many find personal attacks to be a convenient method of smearing someone when they don't have the facts to back up their criticisms. Or they just hope no one calls them on their speculation. 

 

No big deal as all of this gets sorted in the face of reality sooner rather than later. 

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1 hour ago, jjjamson said:

It's just the nature of the beast. Just about any public figure is going to get attacked. Whether it's due to jealousy of their fame or notoriety, and/or the anonymity of the internet, there's simply no way of avoiding it. 

 

Many find personal attacks to be a convenient method of smearing someone when they don't have the facts to back up their criticisms. Or they just hope no one calls them on their speculation. 

 

No big deal as all of this gets sorted in the face of reality sooner rather than later. 

 

You may see it as my comments as a smear, I see it as speaking the Truth

 

His latest book is 15.00 pounds on this website, but 12.59 pounds on Amazon, the beast he hates.

 

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1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

I've been following the Icke's headlines page of this website for much longer than i have been a member of their forums

 

I always assumed that everyone on the forums would be doing what i was doing which is to say looking at the headlines every day.

 

This was a mistake! I started looking at the forum and realised that there was actually a lot of things being said that were counter to what was being presented on the headlines page. This drove me to sign upto the forum

 

The ickes have supported for Robert kennedy for YEARS. They have been on the vaccine issue for YEARS

 

They have been banging that drum whilst most peoples head was still firmly embedded up their schving-schving

 

 

What's that to do with my comment about David Icke continually talking about Nazis?

 

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25 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

What's that to do with my comment about David Icke continually talking about Nazis?

 

It is to do with kennedy who you mentioned in that post and about how the ickes have been on the right side of this issue

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

You may see it as my comments as a smear, I see it as speaking the Truth

 

His latest book is 15.00 pounds on this website, but 12.59 pounds on Amazon, the beast he hates.

 

 

So much fake outrage. Let's see you've NEVER purchased ANYTHING EVER from a big box store, ever in your life. You've NEVER done anything wrong, illegal, immoral or ever made a mistake in your life, right? Yeah, we know where this is going....

 

I certainly don't agree with everything he says or does, same as any other person. But, the reality is, you're harping on every perceived (mainly yours) negative you can conjure up, which is the hallmark of a troll.

 

Nice try though. :-)

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27 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

You may see it as my comments as a smear, I see it as speaking the Truth

 

His latest book is 15.00 pounds on this website, but 12.59 pounds on Amazon, the beast he hates.

 

 

That book is sold on Amazon by Amazon themselves, not by David Icke Books.

 

David Icke Books supplies that book to Amazon. I don't know what these books cost to produce, and I don't know how much David Icke Books sells it to Amazon for.

 

If Amazon want to sell that book for next to nothing, that's their choice. There are of course other marketplace sellers offering that same book for sale at a higher price. (from which Amazon will take a 15% 'commission' fee)

 

Amazon's aim is to be cheaper than anywhere else. "They want it all" even if it means making a loss to do so.

 

Personally I prefer to spend the extra money and buy the book direct from the David Icke Shop, at least then I know that there are no 'parasitic middlemen' such as Amazon profiting from this.

 

If the Ickes make some money selling bulk quantities at a discounted price to Amazon, then at least they are not losing out.

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17 minutes ago, jjjamson said:

 

So much fake outrage. Let's see you've NEVER purchased ANYTHING EVER from a big box store, ever in your life. You've NEVER done anything wrong, illegal, immoral or ever made a mistake in your life, right? Yeah, we know where this is going....

 

I certainly don't agree with everything he says or does, same as any other person. But, the reality is, you're harping on every perceived (mainly yours) negative you can conjure up, which is the hallmark of a troll.

 

Nice try though. :-)

 

Wow I rattled your cage

 

Nice deflection

 

David Icke consistently highlights the Beast which is Amazon, but has sold his books through

 them for years. He could boycott them completely, but chooses not to.  I call that hypocracy

 

A whistle-blower who was tortured in a Chinese prison for exposing Amazon’s horrific slave labour operations asks for an apology

 

https://davidicke.com/?s=amazon

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

Wow I rattled your cage

 

Nice deflection

 

David Icke consistently highlights the Beast which is Amazon, but has sold his books through

 them for years. He could boycott them completely, but chooses not to.  I call that hypocracy

 

A whistle-blower who was tortured in a Chinese prison for exposing Amazon’s horrific slave labour operations asks for an apology

 

https://davidicke.com/?s=amazon

 

 

 

LOL, never seen a grown person so desperate for attention. Talk about bitter, obsessing over where someone far more successful sells his books. 

 

But nice try ducking the questions, troll. Holding others to standards you are so far below you refuse to even discuss it. 

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3 minutes ago, jjjamson said:

LOL, never seen a grown person so desperate for attention. Talk about bitter, obsessing over where someone far more successful sells his books. 

 

LOL Truth hurts eh.

 

Ignore button for you.  First time I've ever used it

 

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1 hour ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

LOL Truth hurts eh.

 

Ignore button for you.  First time I've ever used it

 

Still not answering the question: do you even hold yourself to 1/10th or 1/100th of the standard you hold others to? Since all booksellers are corporations and therefore tainted by association, what do you suggest? Should he sell books out of the trunk of his car?

Delivery companies are financed by evil bankers. That means David and his family must start their own shipping company as well.

 

David utilizes the internet which was intended as a mass surveillance device by US and other foreign intelligence. Should he then communicate by carrier pigeon? Why are you on the internet if your "purity" is of such concern?

Seems you are just as guilty as anyone but somehow hold yourself unaccountable. 

 

Easier to hit the 'ignore' function rather than have a civil, thoughtful, logical discussion where you examine your own behavior in light or your own lofty standards. FAIL. 

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4 minutes ago, jjjamson said:

Still not answering the question: do you even hold yourself to 1/10th or 1/100th of the standard you hold others to? Since all booksellers are corporations and therefore tainted by association, what do you suggest? Should he sell books out of the trunk of his car?

Delivery companies are financed by evil bankers. That means David and his family must start their own shipping company as well.

 

David utilizes the internet which was intended as a mass surveillance device by US and other foreign intelligence. Should he then communicate by carrier pigeon? Why are you on the internet if your "purity" is of such concern?

Seems you are just as guilty as anyone but somehow hold yourself unaccountable. 

 

Easier to hit the 'ignore' function rather than have a civil, thoughtful, logical discussion where you examine your own behavior in light or your own lofty standards. FAIL. 

 

Golden Retriever will not be able to see your post if you are on 'ignore'. 

BC 

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Russell Brand? Thoughts. I'm open minded but I know a lot of people think he is controlled opposition. I've learnt a lot from his youtube channel,  the Vandana Shiva shows were excellent. His exposure of neofeudalism brought that topic out where even most 'truth' forums were ignoring it. Done good stuff against Davos, WEF and schwaub too.

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1 hour ago, kj35 said:

Russell Brand? Thoughts. I'm open minded but I know a lot of people think he is controlled opposition. I've learnt a lot from his youtube channel,  the Vandana Shiva shows were excellent. His exposure of neofeudalism brought that topic out where even most 'truth' forums were ignoring it. Done good stuff against Davos, WEF and schwaub too.

 

He has come out in favour of global governance which suggests to me that he is a Pied Piper leading those trying to awaken astray. And only a few months back, a Covid pass was required to attend his show in Brighton.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

He has come out in favour of global governance which suggests to me that he is a Pied Piper leading those trying to awaken astray. And only a few months back, a Covid pass was required to attend his show in Brighton.

 

 

I believe the covid passes were the theatre instruction not his.  I know the MK theatre was the same, part of the Ambassador theatre group. I'll have a watch of that video thanks Eve.  I know he doesn't believe in borders and recommends community lead self management which sounds like anarchy. But again these are thoughts that go through most of our minds when trying to see how things could work better than now. Sometimes I can see why religion or propaganda etc is used to manipulate groups of people to keep order. I am very much not saying I agree with it but sometimes I wonder what it would be like if there was a free for all. And what the alternatives really are.

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16 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

He has come out in favour of global governance which suggests to me that he is a Pied Piper leading those trying to awaken astray. And only a few months back, a Covid pass was required to attend his show in Brighton.

 

The shadow government creates all the conflict and economic turmoil and then blames it on 'national governments' and says that the solution to all of this is to hand power away from national governments to the internationalist corporate elites behind the WEF (ie the shadow government!) so that they can rule everyone under a global government....

 

problem, reaction, solution

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I'm curious about the motivations behind zeitgeist. I enjoyed the first edition quite a bit. Yes, the arguments were rather over-simplified (part 1), extremely derivative of previous work (part 2) but then really finds it's groove in part 3 on banking. 

 

It seems like the 2nd and 3rd? editions were rather lackluster and uninspired: maybe they were just bad instead of coopted?

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7 hours ago, kj35 said:

I believe the covid passes were the theatre instruction not his.  I know the MK theatre was the same, part of the Ambassador theatre group. I'll have a watch of that video thanks Eve.  I know he doesn't believe in borders and recommends community lead self management which sounds like anarchy. But again these are thoughts that go through most of our minds when trying to see how things could work better than now. Sometimes I can see why religion or propaganda etc is used to manipulate groups of people to keep order. I am very much not saying I agree with it but sometimes I wonder what it would be like if there was a free for all. And what the alternatives really are.

 

Even if the Covid passes were the theatre's doing, he still chose to perform there rather than seek an alternative venue which suggests a lack of conviction to me. Could you even imagine DI appearing at a venue that had Covid passes as a condition of entry? I would be confident to say that DI would tell them, in no uncertain terms, where to go.

 

Anarchy simply means to live without rulers - see Mark Passio's video below.

 

Brand is calling for the opposite of anarchy when backing global governance which would only consolidate power in the hands of a tiny few. Also, Brand is saying that local communities will be part of this. This is something I have suspected too - that, if they want to keep us localised as depicted in Hunger Games - how does that fit in with one world government? The answer seems to be that they want us in our localised pens with restricted movement but ruled over globally by a tiny few.

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

 

Even if the Covid passes were the theatre's doing, he still chose to perform there rather than seek an alternative venue which suggests a lack of conviction to me. Could you even imagine DI appearing at a venue that had Covid passes as a condition of entry? I would be confident to say that DI would tell them, in no uncertain terms, where to go.

 

Anarchy simply means to live without rulers - see Mark Passio's video below.

 

Brand is calling for the opposite of anarchy when backing global governance which would only consolidate power in the hands of a tiny few. Also, Brand is saying that local communities will be part of this. This is something I have suspected too - that, if they want to keep us localised as depicted in Hunger Games - how does that fit in with one world government? The answer seems to be that they want us in our localised pens with restricted movement but ruled over globally by a tiny few.

 

 

I don't know how much warning he would have had. I had tickets for the MK show and I only got a note about the covid passport a couple of days before. These theatres (other than Brighton who are independent) are a large and powerful theatre group who any performer would struggle to stand up to. They all compromise and yes I agree David wouldn't have performed but others pull their books from Amazon or alternatively do any of David's books get sold in the few remaining shops that will stock them that insisted on masks? David is famously all about truth and has that position to protect whereas Russell appears to be a comedian who is waking up.  Emulating Joe Rogan to a degree. I really am not educated in the anarchy movement and every fibre of me does not feel comfortable with the little I do know so I really appreciate any info that educated people here share. I will watch that with interest, thanks Eve xx

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8 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

he probably listens to us and mimics us

I think there is always a lot of sharing and repeating of sources. David's (excellent) books are full of shared information.  I do not see any issue in that.  

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1 hour ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Also, Brand is saying that local communities will be part of this. This is something I have suspected too - that, if they want to keep us localised as depicted in Hunger Games - how does that fit in with one world government? The answer seems to be that they want us in our localised pens with restricted movement but ruled over globally by a tiny few.

 

Mark Windows has deep dived into how a lot of the global agenda is being driven through at local council level

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7 hours ago, jjjamson said:

I'm curious about the motivations behind zeitgeist

 

well it ties into the venus project doesn't it which is a 'resource based economy' which has some similarities with technocracy.

 

It identifies problems which by and large are legitimate problems and then suggests a centrally run economy based around the control and allocation of resources but this should then raise the question: who controls and allocates those resources?

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48 minutes ago, kj35 said:

I think there is always a lot of sharing and repeating of sources. David's (excellent) books are full of shared information.  I do not see any issue in that.  

 

The issue is his motivation

 

So if he is controlled opposition then his job is to win over the dissenters ie us, by telling us what we want to hear. He can do that by listening to what's being said in this arena and then mimicing it

 

People then think ''he sounds reasonable'' and they start following him and that's when he then drops in his solution to the identified problems which as it turns out is the exact same solution being put forward by the world economic forum cabal (ie global governance by them)....and that's how it works

 

I never used to like BILL MAHER but he has been quoted a few times in the mainstream media recently saying things that i thought sounded very reasonable and this then gets me wondering why he suddenly sounds so rational? This makes me wonder if he has been GIVEN the role of playing the 'voice of reason' so that the more moderate democrats don't drift out of the orbit of the democrat party after becoming disillusioned by the batshit crazy extremism of the woke-brigade.I think he has been tasked with keeping moderate democrats on 'the left' so that they keep voting for a party that is intent on destroying america in the name of global revolution

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7 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

The issue is his motivation

 

So if he is controlled opposition then his job is to win over the dissenters ie us, by telling us what we want to hear. He can do that by listening to what's being said in this arena and then mimicing it

 

People then think ''he sounds reasonable'' and they start following him and that's when he then drops in his solution to the identified problems which as it turns out is the exact same solution being put forward by the world economic forum cabal (ie global governance by them)....and that's how it works

 

I never used to like BILL MAHER but he has been quoted a few times in the mainstream media recently saying things that i thought sounded very reasonable and this then gets me wondering why he suddenly sounds so rational? This makes me wonder if he has been GIVEN the role of playing the 'voice of reason' so that the more moderate democrats don't drift out of the orbit of the democrat party after becoming disillusioned by the batshit crazy extremism of the woke-brigade.I think he has been tasked with keeping moderate democrats on 'the left' so that they keep voting for a party that is intent on destroying america in the name of global revolution

Ok I can see what you and @Mitochondrial Eve are saying here. I'll watch with more open eyes to that tactic. Thanks. 

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