Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, RobSS said: I thought you were going to post that quote but he didn't say all people in the world are Freemasons, but if you want to be consistent, and non-hypocritical in your claim that I am a Freemason because of your Manly P. Hall quote, then you would have to argue that you are a mason too. But you're real purpose is to just troll this thread with nonsense and meaningless quotes. The point i was intending to make was that according to Manley p hall the entire universe is a lodge and therefore a person doesn't need to be a signed up member of a lodge to be a freemason A person could essentially be an acting freemason for example they could perform their own rituals. Crowley for example was initiated in a non official lodge eg his AA system encourages individual work albeit with a single mentor to oversee a persons progress So there is the occult initiation aspect but there is also the belief aspect and agenda aspect where a person could be pursuing the goals of freemasonry without being a signed up member of the lodge If you look into the milner group aka the roundtable group they designed their masonic organisation to have two levels: the inner circle of conspirators such as milner and the rothschilds who were the 'elect' and understood on a conscious level what they were doing and why they were doing it and then there was an outer level of 'associated helpers'. So from a conspiracy point of view (which is my interest in all of these things and which i assume most other people are interested in too seeing as this is a conspiracy forum) we can then try and assess which level kipling was. Was he simply helping the elect but without seeing the grand overscheme and knowing where it would all lead or was he a fully signed up initiate who fully understood the carnage that the roundtable were trying to unleash on the world? I can't claim to know the definitive answer to that rob and to be honest i would need to go to the source material such as kipling's writings to try and establish that. Of course i have seen kordas cartoon but i have not read the jungle book. But when we discuss these kind of works that have been written by occultists and which may very well contain concealed occult themes i think it is valuable to look at the wider context within which they were created and that IS an area that i do have some knowledge and perspective and that is the area that I have tried to bring something to the table here Does that sound fair and reasonable? Edited January 25, 2022 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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