The Jungle Book as an allegory for political society & the conflicts between man & nature

[MarcusOmouse]

The JW turned up at my door one day, claiming to represent God.

 

I told them that if they want to know who represents God, then just look in the mirror, since we are all individual reflections of the creator, whoever that might be.

 

The wife of this husband and wife couple freaked out and walked away.

At which point , the husband thanked me for my perspective.

 

7 billion souls - one individual perspective - one point of attention.

Never replicated. Never duplicated. Never forget that.

[RobSS]

3 minutes ago, bobb said:

 

The next time they do that grab a copy of the watch tower and study the picture on the front of it as there is always subliminal images within it, and then slam the door.

Robss I had you down as a Catholic.

 

I don't belong to any religion.

 

[Macnamara]

9 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Fritz Springmeier is obviously unaware of that and is afraid of his own shadow. It's not unusual - a lot of people are, but nowhere in the story does it say that Mowgli uses demons.

 

you are creating a strawman as always

 

springmeier does not say the book contains demons. he says that in mind control slaves are taught to get demonic power from jewelry that is given to them by their handlers

 

what he does say is that in the jungle book mowgli is given a bracelet that keeps him safe by giving him the power of the gods

[RobSS]

8 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

 

 

Yes, the Jungle Book is about psychology and the human condition. It's about recognising the fact that we have two modes of consciousness. One is driven by the reptilian brain and is to do with survival, and the other is related to higher consciousness and spiritual.

 

 

 

 

[Truthspoon]

1 minute ago, MarcusOmouse said:

The JW turned up at my door one day, claiming to represent God.

 

I told them that if they want to know who represents God, then just look in the mirror, since we are all individual reflections of the creator, whoever that might be.

 

The wife of this husband and wife couple freaked out and walked away.

At which point , the husband thanked me for my perspective.

 

7 billion souls - one individual perspective - one point of attention.

Never replicated. Never duplicated. Never forget that.

 

The Jehovah's Witnesses started haunting my nana once my grandfather died.... My Grandfather was square headed materialist and would have no truck with anything religious 'when you're gone, you're gone' he used to say.

 

Perhaps he protected my nana in a way from these people while he was alive.....

 

But the core belief of the JW is all about the end of the world....... that's all they do really....instill the constant thought of apocalypse and fiery armageddon in people's minds.....  I would say that is probably rather a good way to control someone completely wouldn't you?

 

 

[RobSS]

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

you are creating a strawman as always

 

springmeier does not say the book contains demons. he says that in mind control slaves are taught to get demonic power from jewelry that is given to them by their handlers

 

what he does say is that in the jungle book mowgli is given a bracelet that keeps him safe by giving him the power of the gods

 

It's not a straw man. No where in the story does say Mowgli contacts demons or that jewellery contain demons. That's something that Fritz Springmeier has added because of his ignorance of what the shadow self is. It's not a common fallacy that a lot of people have.

 

[bobb]

1 minute ago, Truthspoon said:

 

The Jehovah's Witnesses started haunting my nana once my grandfather died.... My Grandfather was square headed materialist and would have no truck with anything religious 'when you're gone, you're gone' he used to say.

 

Perhaps he protected my nana in a way from these people while he was alive.....

 

But the core belief of the JW is all about the end of the world....... that's all they do really....instill the constant thought of apocalypse and fiery armageddon in people's minds.....  I would say that is probably rather a good way to control someone completely wouldn't you?

 

 

 

I watched a documentary once on this lot that said it was founded in New York, I could be wrong here, but the gist of it all was that it was a gang outfit and nothing more.

[RobSS]

2 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

The Jehovah's Witnesses started haunting my nana once my grandfather died.... My Grandfather was square headed materialist and would have no truck with anything religious 'when you're gone, you're gone' he used to say.

 

Perhaps he protected my nana in a way from these people while he was alive.....

 

But the core belief of the JW is all about the end of the world....... that's all they do really....instill the constant thought of apocalypse and fiery armageddon in people's minds.....  I would say that is probably rather a good way to control someone completely wouldn't you?

 

 

 

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the end of the world. You're making things up.

 

[RobSS]

Just now, bobb said:

 

I watched a documentary once on this lot that said it was founded in New York, I could be wrong here, but the gist of it all was that it was a gang outfit and nothing more.

 

All organised religions are designed to lead people away from being themselves, and from finding the truth within. The purpose of organised religions is to keep people distracted.

 

[Truthspoon]

Does anyone remember the weird subliminals in The Watchtower.....

 

https://artcriticman.wordpress.com/watchtower-subliminal-art-and-pedophilia/

 

[RobSS]

Just now, Truthspoon said:

Does anyone remember the weird subliminals in The Watchtower.....

 

https://artcriticman.wordpress.com/watchtower-subliminal-art-and-pedophilia/

 

 

This thread is not about the Watchtower. Stop trolling.

 

[bobb]

1 minute ago, Truthspoon said:

Does anyone remember the weird subliminals in The Watchtower.....

 

https://artcriticman.wordpress.com/watchtower-subliminal-art-and-pedophilia/

 

 

That's what I was on about, thanks.

[bobb]

2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

All organised religions are designed to lead people away from being themselves, and from finding the truth within. The purpose of organised religions is to keep people distracted.

 

And perhaps why there must be a falling away.

[Truthspoon]

9 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in the end of the world. You're making things up.

 

 

You're lying again. I read the the Watch Towers they used to spam my poor old nana with.

 

I believe you are still under the hypnotic power of the Jehovah's Witnesses 'Watch Tower' and have never broken free.

 

https://www.alearned.com/jehovahs-witnesses/

 

Predictions (by date of publication) include:

1. 1877: Christ’s kingdom would hold full sway over the earth in 1914; the Jews, as a people, would be restored to God’s favor; the “saints” would be carried to heaven.
2. 1891: 1914 would be “the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men.”
3. 1904: “World-wide anarchy” would follow the end of the Gentile Times in 1914.
4. 1916: World War I would terminate in Armageddon and the rapture of the “saints”.
5. 1917: In 1918, Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would “destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions.” Church members would “perish by the sword of war, revolution and anarchy.” The dead would lie unburied. In 1920 all earthly governments would disappear, with worldwide anarchy prevailing.
6. 1920: Messiah’s kingdom would be established in 1925 and bring worldwide peace. God would begin restoring the earth. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful patriarchs would be resurrected to perfect human life and be made princes and rulers, the visible representatives of the New Order on earth. Those who showed themselves obedient to God would never die.
7. 1922: The anti-typical “jubilee” that would mark God’s intervention in earthly affairs would take place “probably the fall” of 1925.
8. 1924: God’s restoration of Earth would begin “shortly after” October 1, 1925. Jerusalem would be made the world’s capital. Resurrected “princes” such as Abel, Noah, Moses and John the Baptist would give instructions to their subjects around the world by radio, and airplanes would transport people to and from Jerusalem from all parts of the globe in just “a few hours”.
9. 1938: Armageddon was too close for marriage or child bearing.
10. 1941: There were only “months” remaining until Armageddon.
11. 1942: Armageddon was “immediately before us.”
12. 1961: Awake! magazine stated that the heavenly kingdom “will, within the twentieth century, cleanse the entire earth of wickedness.”
13. 1966: It would be 6000 years since man’s creation in the fall of 1975 and it would be “appropriate” for Christ’s thousand-year reign to begin at that time. Time was “running out, no question about that.” The “immediate future” was “certain to be filled with climactic events … within a few years at most”, the final parts of Bible prophecy relating to the “last days” would undergo fulfillment as Christ’s reign began.
14. 1967: The end-time period (beginning in 1914) was claimed to be so far advanced that the time remaining could “be compared, not just to the last day of a week, but rather, to the last part of that day”.
15. 1968: No one could say “with certainty” that the battle of Armageddon would begin in 1975, but time was “running out rapidly” with “earthshaking events” soon to take place. In March 1968 there was a “short period of time left”, with “only about ninety months left before 6000 years of man’s existence on earth is completed”.
16. 1969: The existing world order would not last long enough for young people to grow old; the world system would end “in a few years.” Young Witnesses were told not to bother pursuing tertiary education for this reason.
17. 1971: The “battle in the day of Jehovah” was described as beginning ” shortly, within our twentieth century”.
18. 1974: There was just a “short time remaining before the wicked world’s end” and Witnesses were commended for selling their homes and property to “finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service.”
19. 1984: There were “many indications” that “the end” was closer than the end of the 20th century.
20. 1989: The Watchtower asserted that Christian missionary work begun in the first century would “be completed in our 20th century”. When republished in bound volumes, the phrase “in our 20th century” was replaced with the less specific “in our day”.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Truthspoon

[Macnamara]

5 minutes ago, RobSS said:

It's not a straw man. No where in the story does say Mowgli contacts demons or that jewellery contain demons.

 

for a second time, fritz doesn't say that. he says the bracelet protects mowgli by giving him the power of the gods:

THE JUNGLE BOOK-KIPLING

During the Victorian period, Mowgli is the five-year-old son of Nathoo, a wilderness guide, with whom he accompanies on a tour in the jungles of their native India during the British Empire and has Grey Brother as a pet wolf cub. Mowgli becomes close friends with a British girl named Katherine Anne "Kitty" Brydon, whose father, Colonel Geoffrey Brydon, commissioned the journey. When Shere Khan goes on a rampage in the camp and kills Mowgli's father and one of Colonel Brydon's soldiers, the boy and the wolf are lost in the confusion and are left to fend for themselves. Bagheera finds and leads them to the wolf pack. Mowgli is befriended by the animals of the jungle including Baloo the bear cub, and they develop an unspoken bond as the boy learns to survive. Twenty years later, the Bandar-log steal the bracelet Kitty gave Mowgli. He follows them to the ruins of an overgrown and lost city, deep in the jungle, where he meets King Louie the orangutan, who he follows in to a chamber full of vast treasure. Louie wants to add the bracelet to the treasure but agrees to give it back if Mowgli fights the great serpent Kaa and wins. Mowgli manages to defeat Kaa with a jeweled dagger he found in the temple. Kaa flees, but he is not killed. Louie returns Mowgli the bracelet, proclaiming him a hero.

https://readexcellentstories.blogspot.com/2012/01/jungle-book-kipling.html

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

for a second time, fritz doesn't say that. he says the bracelet protects mowgli by giving him the power of the gods:

 

Yes, but no where in the story does it say the brackets are demonic.

 

[RobSS]

2 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

You're lying again.

 

 

No, it's you who are lying. JW's do not believe in the end of the world.

 

[bobb]

I read the Jungle book and the movie and thought what utter boring crap is this.

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

Yes, but no where in the story does it say the brackets are demonic.

 

nowhere in frtiz's article did he say the bracelet is 'demonic'. You are building a strawman

 

he was talking about people being mind controlled and was showing parallels with the mind control process and the symbols in jungle book

Edited January 24, 2022 by Macnamara

[RobSS]

3 minutes ago, bobb said:

 

And perhaps why there must be a falling away.

 

Even the Bible predicts that, hence the fall of Babylon the Great.

 

[MarcusOmouse]

1 minute ago, Truthspoon said:

 

The Jehovah's Witnesses started haunting my nana once my grandfather died.... My Grandfather was square headed materialist and would have no truck with anything religious 'when you're gone, you're gone' he used to say.

 

Perhaps he protected my nana in a way from these people while he was alive.....

 

But the core belief of the JW is all about the end of the world....... that's all they do really....instill the constant thought of apocalypse and fiery armageddon in people's minds.....  I would say that is probably rather a good way to control someone completely wouldn't you?

 

 

 

From the experience that I had, which I related above, it seemed clear to me that as people acting as Gods representatives, they hadn't fully understood exactly what that means.

 

At least the woman hadn't , nor probably ever would.

I will however never the forget the smile from her husband as he thanked me for my own perspective

Maybe he did.

 

It does of course go without saying that fear is the key, which not surprisingly is where this female " witness" began her sermon from. Talking about all the problems in the world and all the rest of it.

 

I could have brought the whole thing to  an end by saying that I couldnt be a Jehovahs Witness, because I hadn't seen  the accident.

[bobb]

Oh yeah I just remembered that in the cubs, yes I was a member by force, all the big people who I learned later were adults had all the names from the book, again I thought how fucking weird does this life have to get.

[RobSS]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

nowhere in frtiz's article did he say the bracelet is 'demonic'. You are building a strawman

 

he was talking about people being mind controlled and was showing parallels with the mind control process and the symbols in jungle book

 

People who use any story as a tool for mind control are evil, but that's not the fault of the book. It's the fault of people who put things to bad use.

 

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, RobSS said:

People who use any story as a tool for mind control are evil, but that's not the fault of the book. It's the fault of people who put things to bad use.

 

i think the point is that the book was written by an occultist who was a co-conspirator with the rothschild cabal who sought to help take britain into the boer war and then the subsequent two world wars so i think we can reasonably ask what the motives of kipling were when he wrote that allegorical tale

 

 

[RobSS]

1 minute ago, MarcusOmouse said:

 

From the experience that I had, which I related above, it seemed clear to me that as people acting as Gods representatives, they hadn't fully understood exactly what that means.

 

At least the woman hadn't , nor probably ever would.

I will however never the forget the smile from her husband as he thanked me for my own perspective

Maybe he did.

 

It does of course go without saying that fear is the key, which not surprisingly is where this female " witness" began her sermon from. Talking about all the problems in the world and all the rest of it.

 

I could have brought the whole thing to  an end by saying that I couldnt be a Jehovahs Witness, because I hadn't seen  the accident.

 

I left the JWs when I was 15.

 

Truthspoon called me a "faggot" the other day and still hasn't apologised and his still attacking me in any way he can/