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18 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Shere Khan and the Sons of Cain 

 

where is the link to this piece?

 

so your argument is that kipling, an enthusiastic freemason since his early adulthood wrote a story to expose freemasons as the bad guys, whilst he colluded with the illuminati milner group to bring about the boer war, then the first world war, then the second world war and then walt disney who was himself a de molay freemason turned the story into a cartoon so that the whole world would know, through the concealed allegory that the freemasons were the real bad guys?

 

Dude i think you need to go back to the drawing board!

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Just now, Macnamara said:

 

where is the link to this piece?

 

I posted it 10 hours ago, in this very thread that your posting now that you said you scanned:

 

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/25220-the-jungle-book-as-an-allegory-for-political-society-the-conflicts-between-man-nature/&do=findComment&comment=379714

 

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

so your argument is that kipling, an enthusiastic freemason since his early adulthood wrote a story to expose freemasons as the bad guys, whilst he colluded with the illuminati milner group to bring about the boer war, then the first world war, then the second world war and then walt disney who was himself a de molay freemason turned the story into a cartoon so that the whole world would know, through the concealed allegory that the freemasons were the real bad guys?

 

Dude i think you need to go back to the drawing board!

 

There could be more than one explanation for what may be going on with why he wrote the jungle Book and why it exposes the conspiracy. Perhaps he did support the cabal's agenda but cynically hid what was really going on using secret symbolic story telling, and in so doing, he made a name for himself and money. The story helped to make him famous, and perhaps he never thought the hidden message would be revealed. That's one explanation. I've given others above.

 

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5 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 why he wrote the jungle Book and why it exposes the conspiracy.

 

how does it 'expose the conspiracy?'

 

the conspiracy was for the rothschild funded milner group to create chaos around the world that would lead to nations giving up their national soveriengty so that they would join globalist bodies like the EU and the UN and gradually be merged together under a technocratic world government under their control

 

how exactly does 'the jungle book' expose that?

 

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44 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

how does it 'expose the conspiracy?'

 

the conspiracy was for the rothschild funded milner group to create chaos around the world that would lead to nations giving up their national soveriengty so that they would join globalist bodies like the EU and the UN and gradually be merged together under a technocratic world government under their control

 

how exactly does 'the jungle book' expose that?

 

 

"The Jungle Book" exposes the conspiracy using symbolism. in the search for Mowgli - the one who knew how to use red fire - Shere Khan caused chaos in the jungle and wanted Mowgli dead. Mowgli is an Everyman figure. That's more clearly shown in Zoltan Korda's 1946 version of the story. In the end, Mowgli sets fire to Shere Khan's tale. As Shere Khan runs away, he sets fire to things wherever he goes, and this also causes chaos. "The Lord of the Rings" does the same, and there are many others, including "Parsifal" and "Pinocchio". They are all part of "The Never Ending Story".

 

Mowgli, Pinocchio, Frodo and Parsifal, etc., are all Everyman characters and they're all associated with the Fool's Journey. They're all aspects of the Paraclete that I mentioned in this post:

 

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/25177-the-paraclete-and-the-holy-spirit/

 

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17 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

"The Jungle Book" exposes the conspiracy using symbolism. in the search for Mowgli - the one who knew how to use red fire - Shere Khan caused chaos in the jungle and wanted Mowgli dead. Mowgli is an Everyman figure. That's more clearly shown in Zoltan Korda's 1946 version of the story. In the end, Mowgli sets fire to Shere Khan's tale. As Shere Khan runs away, he sets fire to things wherever he goes, and this also causes chaos. "The Lord of the Rings" does the same, and there are many others, including "Parsifal" and "Pinocchio". They are all part of "The Never Ending Story".

 

Mowgli, Pinocchio, Frodo and Parsifal, etc., are all Everyman characters and they're all associated with the Fool's Journey. They're all aspects of the Paraclete that I mentioned in this post:

 

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/25177-the-paraclete-and-the-holy-spirit/

 

 

yes i said to you first that parsifal is the fool in your other thread

 

But what i'm also saying is that these stories are being given to you by freemasons and they are not exposing the conspiracy

 

Crowleys order for example use the grail quest in their ritual. Its all part of their alchemy

 

They are not trying to save the world. They are just pushing their own occult practices for those with the eyes to see

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2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

yes i said to you first that parsifal is the fool in your other thread

 

You can't take credit for that. You only said what Wagner already wrote in the libretto of the first Act of the music drama: Der reine Tor (the Pure Fool)!

 

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

But what i'm also saying is that these stories are being given to you by freemasons and they are not exposing the conspiracy

 

 

The story was written by a Freemason, but the story still nevertheless exposes the conspiracy, hence the evidence I gave regarding Shere Khan and Cain.

 

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

Crowleys order for example use the grail quest in their ritual. Its all part of their alchemy

 

Occultists often co-opt and exploit things for their own purposes. Nothing new there!

 

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

They are not trying to save the world. They are just pushing their own occult practices for those with the eyes to see

 

 

Parsifal is not a Redeemer and is not the 'saviour of the world'. I've mentioned before, Jesus Christ is Redeemer and Saviour, which is clearly stated in Richard Wagner's libretto. The saviour of the world certainly isn't going to be any politician!

 

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17 hours ago, RobSS said:

You can't take credit for that. You only said what Wagner already wrote in the libretto of the first Act of the music drama: Der reine Tor (the Pure Fool)!

 

Stop being so ignorant Rob. I told you parsifal was the fool because i know the kabbalistic element of the grail story. I have somewhere the OTO's literature on the grail ritual

 

17 hours ago, RobSS said:

The story was written by a Freemason, but the story still nevertheless exposes the conspiracy, hence the evidence I gave regarding Shere Khan and Cain.

 

I don't see any 'evidence' there

 

17 hours ago, RobSS said:

Occultists often co-opt and exploit things for their own purposes. Nothing new there!

 

It's not as simple as that. If we think about the timings of the various versions of the grail story for example chretian of troyes version it coincides with the templars being in the height of their powers. Troyes in france was a centre of power for the templars and a kabbalistic hotspot due to the kabbalah school of rabbi rishi

 

The OTO consider themselves to be in a sense in the lineage of the templars as they call themselves the oriental templars

 

17 hours ago, RobSS said:

Parsifal is not a Redeemer and is not the 'saviour of the world'. I've mentioned before, Jesus Christ is Redeemer and Saviour, which is clearly stated in Richard Wagner's libretto. The saviour of the world certainly isn't going to be any politician!

 

They are talking about the individual achieving higher degrees of illumination

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13 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

Stop being so ignorant Rob. I told you parsifal was the fool because i jknow the kabbalistic element of the grail story. I have somewhere the OTO's literature on the grail ritual

 

Ignorant? You can't take the credit for saying Parsifal is the fool. That information is already written in the original music score, the sheet music that Parsifal is the FOOL! LOL

 

13 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I don't see any 'evidence' there

 

The 1942 Technicolor action-adventure film version of "The Jungle Book", directed by Zoltan Korda exposes the conspiracy best, although other versions also have merits, Shere Khan is portrayed as Cain, who as described in the book of Genesis, killed his brother, Able. In the introduction to the film, the narrator describes Shere Khan:


"The Tiger - the killer the man eater, the villain who first brought murder to the jungle clan - Shere Khan.


It's said that in his first kill, when he was Cain to some poor Able of the glades, when he ran from the scene of his crime, the trees and creepers whipped him with their branches and striped his yellow hide with the mark of Cain. This evil lord must have his dish-lickers his bullies for attendants; the jackal and the hyena, hungry for the scraps of the murderous master's feast." (from the 1942 version of "The Jungle Book", directed by Zoltan Korda)


Max Heindel, an American occultist, astrologer, mystic and Rosicrucian, wrote that Freemasonry originated with Cain, who was "the son of a widow". He wrote, "They have lost their spiritual sight and are imprisoned in the forehead of the body where it is said Cain was marked; they must wander as prodigal sons in the comparative darkness of the material world, oblivious to their high and noble estate..."


At the end of the Disney story, the jungle is severely damaged by a fire. Mowgli is confronted by Shere Khan, but Mowgli sets fire to his tail. Shere Khan, terrified of fire, runs away.

 

13 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

It's not as simple as that. If we think about the timings of the various versions of the grail story for example chretian of troyes version it coincides with the templars being in the height of their powers. Troyes in france was a centre of power for the templars and a kabbalistic hotspot due to the kabbalah school of rabbi rishi

 

The OTO consider themselves to be in a sense in the lineage of the templars as they call themselves the oriental templars

 

 

I've known for a long time that Parsifal, along with all alchemical FOOL stories and many fairy tales, contail Kabbalistic elements, but so does the Bible, but the fact the Bible is underpinned by the Kabbalah and astrology, does not make the Bible evil. What makes the Kabbalah evil is it's misuse.  The Kabbalah is what it is. It's not until people with bad motives use it for the wrong purpose that it takes in a different nature that it wasn't intended for.

 

13 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

They are talking about the individual achieving higher degrees of illumination

 

 

Of course the story is about self discovery, but the same can be said for most works of art! That's what art is all about! LOL

 

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13 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Ignorant? You can't take the credit for saying Parsifal is the fool. That information is already written in the original music score, the sheet music that Parsifal is the FOOL! LOL

 

I'm not taking credit for saying parcifal was the fool. I'm taking credit for pointing to the kabbalistic element

 

why would i just randomly say that parsifal is 'the fool'?

 

13 minutes ago, RobSS said:

The 1942 Technicolor action-adventure film version of "The Jungle Book", directed by Zoltan Korda exposes the conspiracy best, although other versions also have merits, Shere Khan is portrayed as Cain, who as described in the book of Genesis, killed his brother, Able. In the introduction to the film, the narrator describes Shere Khan:

 

Korda who was jewish.......and.....a kabbalist?

 

13 minutes ago, RobSS said:

"The Tiger - the killer the man eater, the villain who first brought murder to the jungle clan - Shere Khan.


It's said that in his first kill, when he was Cain to some poor Able of the glades, when he ran from the scene of his crime, the trees and creepers whipped him with their branches and striped his yellow hide with the mark of Cain. This evil lord must have his dish-lickers his bullies for attendants; the jackal and the hyena, hungry for the scraps of the murderous master's feast." (from the 1942 version of "The Jungle Book", directed by Zoltan Korda)

 

yes i heard all of that

 

13 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Max Heindel, an American occultist, astrologer, mystic and Rosicrucian, wrote that Freemasonry originated with Cain, who was "the son of a widow". He wrote, "They have lost their spiritual sight and are imprisoned in the forehead of the body where it is said Cain was marked; they must wander as prodigal sons in the comparative darkness of the material world, oblivious to their high and noble estate..."

 

ok but even if you take that as true how does jungle book represent an expose to the uninitiated?

 

13 minutes ago, RobSS said:

I've known for a long time that Parsifal, along with all alchemical FOOL stories and many fairy tales, contail Kabbalistic elements, but so does the Bible, but the fact the Bible is underpinned by the Kabbalah and astrology, does not make the Bible evil. What makes the Kabbalah evil is it's misuse.  The Kabbalah is what it is. It's not until people with bad motives use it for the wrong purpose that it takes in a different nature that it wasn't intended for.

 

no its not that it contains 'elements'. It is all about the journey up the tree of life

 

13 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Of course the story is about self discovery, but the same can be said for most works of art! That's what art is all about! LOL

 

freemasons are encoding the kabalistic process in their works

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38 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I'm not taking credit for saying parcifal was the fool. I'm taking credit for pointing to the kabbalistic element

 

 

But I've known that for over 30 years! What's new? It's even mentioned in some programmes you get when you see performances of it in the theatre!

 

38 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

Korda who was jewish.......and.....a kabbalist?

 

Not all Jews are bad and neither is the Kabbalah, in and of itself.

 

38 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

yes i heard all of that

 

Fine.

 

38 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

ok but even if you take that as true how does jungle book represent an expose to the uninitiated?

 

 

It doesn't. You have to understand the symbolism, which is why a lot of people see films and works of art but the underlying meanings don't always register.

 

38 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

no its not that it contains 'elements'. It is all about the journey up the tree of life

 

 

What's wrong with the Tree of Life? It stands in the Garden of Eden, but at the end of this age, we have the opportunity to return as fully conscious human beings. That's why, at the end of this Age there is an Apocalypse, which simply means an 'unveiling', or a 'revealing of things that are hidden'. This was all meant to be and is normal. It was even prophesied about:

 

 "But you, O Daniel, make secret the words, and seal up the book, until the time of the end:
many shall rove about, and the true knowledge shall become abundant." (Daniel 12:4)

 

"And he said, Go thy way, Daniel:
for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried;
but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand;
but the wise shall understand." (Daniel 12: 9 - 10, KJV)

 

"Whatever is covered up will be uncovered and every secret will be made known. Wherefore what things you say in the darkness will be heard in the light,
and what you whisper in private rooms
will be preached from the housetops." (Luke 12:2)

 

38 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

freemasons are encoding the kabalistic process in their works

 

 

Yes, but they didn't take into account that at the end of this age, all their secrets would become public.

 

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1 hour ago, RobSS said:

But I've known that for over 30 years! What's new? It's even mentioned in some programmes you get when you see performances of it in the theatre!

 

What's new is that we are talking about the hidden meaning behind these works and i am saying to you that they are by freemasons and contain occult meanings. The freemason in question, kipling, was a co-conspirator with the milner group that created the ROUNDTABLE group so i am pouring cold water on your idea that the work in question was created with a view to exposing the conspiracy to the world. I don't believe that it was. If anything it will be about deepening the conspiracy by pushing their occult view of the world, Disney cartoons even contain subliminals

 

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

Not all Jews are bad and neither is the Kabbalah, in and of itself.

 

you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. One minute you say that the freemasons are the inheritors of the occult lore of the fallen angels and the next minute you seem to want to be their apologist

 

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

What's wrong with the Tree of Life? It stands in the Garden of Eden, but at the end of this age, we have the opportunity to return as fully conscious human beings. That's why, at the end of this Age there is an Apocalypse, which simply means an 'unveiling', or a 'revealing of things that are hidden'. This was all meant to be and is normal. It was even prophesied about:

 

 "But you, O Daniel, make secret the words, and seal up the book, until the time of the end:
many shall rove about, and the true knowledge shall become abundant." (Daniel 12:4)

 

"And he said, Go thy way, Daniel:
for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried;
but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand;
but the wise shall understand." (Daniel 12: 9 - 10, KJV)

 

"Whatever is covered up will be uncovered and every secret will be made known. Wherefore what things you say in the darkness will be heard in the light,
and what you whisper in private rooms
will be preached from the housetops." (Luke 12:2)

 

and you believe that freemasons are working to fulfill that biblical prophecy?

 

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

Yes, but they didn't take into account that at the end of this age, all their secrets would become public.

 

then why are they pushing the occult so hard in popular culture?

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3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

If anything it will be about deepening the conspiracy by pushing their occult view of the world, Disney cartoons even contain subliminals

 

If the story of the Jungle Book is pushing the conspiracy, or if it contains subliminals it's up to you to show that.

 

3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. One minute you say that the freemasons are the inheritors of the occult lore of the fallen angels and the next minute you seem to want to be their apologist

 

How can I be an apologist when the "Jungle Book" post was about Freemasonry being bad news for Mowgli? You often don't make coherent sense!

 

3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

and you believe that freemasons are working to fulfill that biblical prophecy?

 

They are working against God to establish a New World Order as a substitute for the Kingdom that Christ told his followers to pray for!

 

3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

then why are they pushing the occult so hard in popular culture?

 

 

Because they want to keep truths hidden!

 

 

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If the story of the Jungle Book is pushing the conspiracy, or if it contains subliminals it's up to you to show that.

 

The Illuminati Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave

Chapter 10B- Using Spiritual Things to Control a Person

Chapter 10A

By Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula10Bchap.shtml

One of the first stories read to a slave may be the Jungle Book by freemason & occultist Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936). The story is used to teach the child to have animal spirit guides, such as the bear and leopard spirit guides found in Jungle Book.

The main character in Jungle Book is neither animal or human, but in between. Neither world accepts this orphan boy. Slaves are taught that they are not human, but not fully animal, but something that can’t be fully accepted or understood by anyone. Jungle Book provides the script for this. A bracelet keeps the boy safe by giving him the power of the gods. The slave is taught to get demonic power from jewelry which is given to them. There are many other features of Jungle Book which are used for the initial programming too, such as the pack of wolves (protectors in the system), snakes in the hell pit, a Boa Constructor snake to guard the castle, the need to pass through the waterfall to get into a wonderful world, a black jungle of death on the other side of the waterfall, castle jewells, caged birds, etc. Later, alters will be told they are the leader of a pack. Via the Jungle Book story used as a demonic programming script, the child’s alters are taught that they are orphans with no mother or father, and that they must play and have the animal spirit guides as their friends.

 

https://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula10Bchap.shtml

 

Just now, RobSS said:

How can I be an apologist when the "Jungle Book" post was about Freemasonry being bad news for Mowgli? You often don't make coherent sense!

 

you were praising the work as being an expose of the conspiracy and i am demolishing that argument

 

Just now, RobSS said:

They are working against God to establish a New World Order as a substitute for the Kingdom that Christ told his followers to pray for!

 

Then why are you promoting their work?

 

Just now, RobSS said:

Because they want to keep truths hidden!

 

or they want to make more people like themselves

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I think you've just explained everything Macnamara. My erstwhile friend Rob was a Jehovah's Witness in childhood. This also is a cult created by a Freemason Charles Taze Russell. I guess that's how they got to him. Nothing more to say. It's sad.... but that's the world we're living in.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

I think you've just explained everything Macnamara. My erstwhile friend Rob was a Jehovah's Witness in childhood. This also is a cult created by a Freemason Charles Taze Russell. I guess that's how they got to him. Nothing more to say. It's sad.... but that's the world we're living in.

 

they used to go door to door to convert people right?

 

maybe now they use the internet?

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2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

The Illuminati Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave

Chapter 10B- Using Spiritual Things to Control a Person

Chapter 10A

By Fritz Springmeier & Cisco Wheeler
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula10Bchap.shtml

One of the first stories read to a slave may be the Jungle Book by freemason & occultist Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936). The story is used to teach the child to have animal spirit guides, such as the bear and leopard spirit guides found in Jungle Book.

The main character in Jungle Book is neither animal or human, but in between. Neither world accepts this orphan boy. Slaves are taught that they are not human, but not fully animal, but something that can’t be fully accepted or understood by anyone. Jungle Book provides the script for this. A bracelet keeps the boy safe by giving him the power of the gods. The slave is taught to get demonic power from jewelry which is given to them. There are many other features of Jungle Book which are used for the initial programming too, such as the pack of wolves (protectors in the system), snakes in the hell pit, a Boa Constructor snake to guard the castle, the need to pass through the waterfall to get into a wonderful world, a black jungle of death on the other side of the waterfall, castle jewells, caged birds, etc. Later, alters will be told they are the leader of a pack. Via the Jungle Book story used as a demonic programming script, the child’s alters are taught that they are orphans with no mother or father, and that they must play and have the animal spirit guides as their friends.

 

https://educate-yourself.org/mc/illumformula10Bchap.shtml

 

I agree with some of Fritz Springmeier's work, but in this respect I think he's wrong and I can explain why... We are not fully human because we do have an animal aspect to our nature. We all live between higher consciousness and the reptilian brain and the instincts to do with survival. The latter side of things is the "shadow", the animal side of our nature - all the things that can affect us but are in the subconscious mind.

 

Fritz Springmeier is obviously unaware of that and is afraid of his own shadow. It's not unusual - a lot of people are, but nowhere in the story does it say that Mowgli uses demons. This is something Springmeier has made up because he's afraid of his own shadow, so he thinks it's a demon!

 

I'm not saying stories can't be used as mind control but that would obviously be the wrong use of a story.

 

All your doing is copying and pasting stuff that you've seen on the Internet that you don't don't fully understand.

 

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

you were praising the work as being an expose of the conspiracy and i am demolishing that argument

 

Then why are you promoting their work?

 

 

I didn't praise the work, so you're imagining that. I just thought it was an interesting story because of its underlying message.

 

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

or they want to make more people like themselves

 

 

Of course they want to people to like themselves. They don't want people to find out the truth regarding the human condition, and by the sounds of it, neither do you!

 

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they used to go door to door to convert people right?

 

maybe now they use the internet?

 

I remember Rob telling me that he once saw Cliff Richard and Hank Marvin at one of the big Jehovah's Witnesses meetings he attended as a child.....  JW are connected to the Freemasons..... it's a kind of 'gutter' for people who can't handle the occult nature of Freemasonry can go and pretend to be Christians......

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11 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

I think you've just explained everything Macnamara. My erstwhile friend Rob was a Jehovah's Witness in childhood. This also is a cult created by a Freemason Charles Taze Russell. I guess that's how they got to him. Nothing more to say. It's sad.... but that's the world we're living in.

 

 

I left the JWs when I was 15 years old and never had anything to do with the organisation since. Unlike you, I don't need to belong to any religion. I don't need a crutch to get through life to belonging to any group like you do! You need to learn to be free of all that.

 

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2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

I left the JWs when I was 15 years old and never had anything to do with the organisation since. Unlike you, I don't need to belong to any religion. I don't need a crutch to get through life to belonging to any group like you do! You need to learn to be free of all that.

 

 

That's what the Satanists say about religion.....

 

"a crutch" I've heard that time and time again from Wiccans, OTO, Freemasons....

 

I promised not to speak to you anymore because it gets messy.... but are you finally revealing yourself Rob? Or perhaps more to the point, you have been exposed.

 

You talked a good game. But I knew something was wonky somewhere.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

they used to go door to door to convert people right?

 

The next time they do that grab a copy of the watch tower and study the picture on the front of it as there is always subliminal images within it, and then slam the door.

Robss I had you down as a Catholic.

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5 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

I left the JWs when I was 15 years old and never had anything to do with the organisation since. Unlike you, I don't need to belong to any religion. I don't need a crutch to get through life to belonging to any group like you do! You need to learn to be free of all that.

 

 

One thing I can say Rob is that I was never indoctrinated into a Freemasonic cult until I was 15 years old.

 

I had a barmy nana who was a white witch and worshipped Odin, but I never really found out about that until I was older....and I thought it was cool...... but luckily my mother protected me from any of the cultish things my nana tried to get us involved in. My mum just said No....and that was that. Good old mum.

 

 

 

 

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Just now, Truthspoon said:

 

That's what the Satanists say about religion.....

 

Some Satanists may say that but not everyone who says that is a Satanist. I'm saying it because you would do better relying on your own resources rather than succumbing to the need to "belong" to a religion. That's just my opinion, it has nothing to do with being a Satanist, but you see Satanists and demons everywhere, even where there are none, which leads to things like being rude and homophobic.

 

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