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Reposting this as it got buried in the thread...

 

I strongly identify with Mowgli. He was brought up by wolves and animals who taught him the ropes and the secrets of the jungle clan. I grew up close to the street with wild skinheads and subsequently had many encounters along the way, similar to Mowgli with his encounter with Shere Khan. I also identify with Milo, Frodo, Pinocchio, Gulliver, Jack, and Aladdin, who was also a street urchin, but I'm going to start a new thread on this in order to explore the topic more fully and see if other people feel the same about these Everyperson stories. I say 'person' because there are also Alice and Dorothy, two tourists of the astral realm who shouldn't be neglected or forgotten, and sometimes they come as a pair, like Hansel and Gretel, who had an encounter with a witch.

 

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A lot of movies reveal the cabal's hidden agenda, and the true nature of our make-believe world, but relatively few do so in a way that's beneficial to the viewer... in a way that's spiritually uplifting, inspiring and confidence building.

 

For uplifting films I'd recommend films made for children, but ones that are also made with adult satisfaction in mind. Fairy tales contain a lot of positive information. Books are the ideal medium, but every so often, a director comes along who adds insights to a classic tale that are unique and full of value. Of course, there are also many stories and films that come somewhere in the middle.

 

Fairy tales were originally much darker than the ones most people have come to know through writers such as Hans Christian Anderson, and the Brothers Grimm. A lot of artists over the past century and a half have taken very old ideas and reworked the essence of these stories in such a way so as to create an almost original appearing story, and in some cases they no longer even appear to be simple fairy tales, but they still have a lot of the essential information embedded in them that are seeds for growth, and new ideas.

 

Why are stories made for children that also satisfy adults, the best places to find information? It's the last place a conceited person with the wrong attitude would look. In order to find inner revelation, the heart needs to be open, and the intellect needs to be at the service of the spirit. Proud people who value their intellects and academic knowledge, above anything else, are too busy concerning themselves with how to impress others with their cleverness and status. "That's all part of the dream world, only suitable for children, and dreamers", they say, and so they look down on such things from a position of superiority, as they believe their brain's intellect is far superior to the spirit that comes from the heart.

 

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3 hours ago, RobSS said:

But the Kabbalah is not bad or evil in and of itself. What can be evil is the intention behind its use.

Yes it is evil. You either know nothing about the Kabballah apart from the Madonna 'hip' version or you're actually on board with it.

 

It was developed by heresy-jews then "perfected" by Isaak Luria.

 

It's built on the premise that jewish souls were the only vessels which contained G-ds light and gentiles/goyim souls were completely different and created by satanic spheres originating from the three lower hellish spheres of existence.

 

Yahweh therefore restricts the position of gentiles in this world to exist only as slaves to the jews. Goyim are classed as demons, as all gentiles are, and that is why they are all eventually to be exterminated, to keep the coming jewish paradise pure from our supposedly demonic and barbarous souls.

 

The dark magick of the Lurianic Kabbalah, practiced by many of our elitist overlords through many various guises (freemasonary, "occult" etc,)  is being used to hasten the coming of this age of this so-called jewish supremacy through direct and purposeful energetic or "magical" interference with the divine law.

 

Kabbalists believe the Old (Christian) Order must be ruthlessly destroyed before the New (Satanic) World Order, based on the Kabbalah, can be built.

 

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Anselm Kiefer’s artwork Breaking of the Vessels interprets the kabbalistic teaching of Isaak Luria (1534–1572) about the catastrophe that took place during creation

Shevirat ha-Kelim (Breaking of the Vessels) by Anselm Kiefer (born 1945), 1990–2019, lead, iron, glass, copper wire, charcoal, Aquatec; Jewish Museum Berlin

 

But don't take my word for it, read what Henry Makow whose a Christian but ethnically jewish has to say.

 

"Creative Destruction" & Then, 6uild 6ack 6etter

https://www.henrymakow.com/the_destuctive_principle_of_th.html

 

Kabbalah - Blueprint for Gentile Genocide

https://www.henrymakow.com/2016/02/Kabbalah-is-Blueprint-for-Gentile-Genocide .html

 

Or read Beware the World to Come written by another ethnically jewish person Christopher Jon Bjerknes

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Over two thousand years ago the self-styled "Sons of Light" declared war on the seventy nations of the world, whom they call the "Sons of Darkness". Hundreds of millions of lives have been lost in this conflict. The Sons of Light believe the contest will only be won when they utterly exterminate the Sons of Darkness. It will never be lost as long as one of the Sons of Light remains to carry on the fight. The war is mostly fought through deception. Only the Sons of Light know that they are engaged in this endless battle. The Sons of Darkness see the bodies piling up, but search in vain for their enemy, who is as subtle and sly as a holy serpent. Ultimate victory will mean the conquest of the entire Earth. It is close at hand for the Sons of Light. But the war continues and either side may yet win. If the Sons of Light are discovered, all of humanity will be saved. Within this book the battle plans and beliefs of the Sons of Light are revealed for the first time for all to see. The Sons of Light have tricked the Sons of Darkness into worshiping Satan, whom they believe is an androgyne composed of the demons Lilith and Samael. The gods of the Sons of Light are also androgynous. Their names are Ein Sof, Shekinah and Yahweh. The Sons of Light are planning to create a Utopia when all is won and all is lost. In it, every human being will be a perfect hermaphrodite with two faces. They will also be immortal and have no need to endure the pain of the cycle of birth, life and death, so there will be no more children and no more death. All the silver, gold and treasure will be theirs and technology will provide their robotic slaves. Since the Sons of Light are all righteous, and since the Sons of Darkness will have passed away together with their dark gods, divine light, peace and harmony will rule the Earth for one thousand years after which all will be complete.

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53 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

Yes it is evil. You either know nothing about the Kabballah apart from the Madonna 'hip' version or you're actually on board with it.

 

It was developed by heresy-jews then "perfected" by Isaak Luria.

 

It's built on the premise that jewish souls were the only vessels which contained G-ds light and gentiles/goyim souls were completely different and created by satanic spheres originating from the three lower hellish spheres of existence.

 

Yahweh therefore restricts the position of gentiles in this world to exist only as slaves to the jews. Goyim are classed as demons, as all gentiles are, and that is why they are all eventually to be exterminated, to keep the coming jewish paradise pure from our supposedly demonic and barbarous souls.

 

The dark magick of the Lurianic Kabbalah, practiced by many of our elitist overlords through many various guises (freemasonary, "occult" etc,)  is being used to hasten the coming of this age of this so-called jewish supremacy through direct and purposeful energetic or "magical" interference with the divine law.

 

Kabbalists believe the Old (Christian) Order must be ruthlessly destroyed before the New (Satanic) World Order, based on the Kabbalah, can be built.

 

dauerausstellung-kiefer-schewirat-ha-kelim-contentimage.jpg.03459193ebb609ec96e383a68e1c2a00.jpg.d6ad6709b4b321ad7d4bc7bf424c0ec3.jpg

 

Anselm Kiefer’s artwork Breaking of the Vessels interprets the kabbalistic teaching of Isaak Luria (1534–1572) about the catastrophe that took place during creation

Shevirat ha-Kelim (Breaking of the Vessels) by Anselm Kiefer (born 1945), 1990–2019, lead, iron, glass, copper wire, charcoal, Aquatec; Jewish Museum Berlin

 

But don't take my word for it, read what Henry Makow whose a Christian but ethnically jewish has to say.

 

"Creative Destruction" & Then, 6uild 6ack 6etter

https://www.henrymakow.com/the_destuctive_principle_of_th.html

 

Kabbalah - Blueprint for Gentile Genocide

https://www.henrymakow.com/2016/02/Kabbalah-is-Blueprint-for-Gentile-Genocide .html

 

Or read Beware the World to Come written by another ethnically jewish person Christopher Jon Bjerknes

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Over two thousand years ago the self-styled "Sons of Light" declared war on the seventy nations of the world, whom they call the "Sons of Darkness". Hundreds of millions of lives have been lost in this conflict. The Sons of Light believe the contest will only be won when they utterly exterminate the Sons of Darkness. It will never be lost as long as one of the Sons of Light remains to carry on the fight. The war is mostly fought through deception. Only the Sons of Light know that they are engaged in this endless battle. The Sons of Darkness see the bodies piling up, but search in vain for their enemy, who is as subtle and sly as a holy serpent. Ultimate victory will mean the conquest of the entire Earth. It is close at hand for the Sons of Light. But the war continues and either side may yet win. If the Sons of Light are discovered, all of humanity will be saved. Within this book the battle plans and beliefs of the Sons of Light are revealed for the first time for all to see. The Sons of Light have tricked the Sons of Darkness into worshiping Satan, whom they believe is an androgyne composed of the demons Lilith and Samael. The gods of the Sons of Light are also androgynous. Their names are Ein Sof, Shekinah and Yahweh. The Sons of Light are planning to create a Utopia when all is won and all is lost. In it, every human being will be a perfect hermaphrodite with two faces. They will also be immortal and have no need to endure the pain of the cycle of birth, life and death, so there will be no more children and no more death. All the silver, gold and treasure will be theirs and technology will provide their robotic slaves. Since the Sons of Light are all righteous, and since the Sons of Darkness will have passed away together with their dark gods, divine light, peace and harmony will rule the Earth for one thousand years after which all will be complete.

 

You're getting far too excited in your condemnation of the Kabbalah, but the Kabbalah is integral to the Bible and inseparable, so if the Kabbalah is evil, by your logic, so is the Bible, but that would be an absurd conclusion to come to. As I said to Mac, earlier in the thread, without the Kabbalah you wouldn't be alive, so we owe our existence and survival to it's reality. It's the engine which drives material reality and is related to the two Trees of the Garden of Eden.


The Kabbalah is also integral to the structure of Freemasonry, which is why it's such an enduring and powerful organisation. However, the Kabbalah also contains the fundamental secrets of the material world and the human condition. Those that learn its secrets can use it for nefarious purposes and that's the problem I have with Freemasonry and occultists. They take ideas from this mirror-reflected-world and make them doctrine and dogma, and in so doing, everything gets inverted and reversed, so black becomes white, up becomes down, and good becomes bad, which is why Jesus Christ accused the religious leaders of his day of being from their father devil because they placed the interpretations of man above the open exoteric words of the Torah.

 

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3 minutes ago, RobSS said:

You're getting far too excited in your condemnation of the Kabbalah, but the Kabbalah is integral to the Bible and inseparable, so if the Kabbalah is evil, by your logic, so is the Bible, but that would be an absurd conclusion to come to.

You're getting far too excited in your praise of the Kabbalah.

Why shouldn't I condemn the evil machinations of dark Kabbalistic magicians destroying our world and giving a fuck-you finger to God/Spirit?

 

It's got absolutely NOTHING to do with the Bible, which I assume you speak of the Christian Bible, as it only started to come into existence in the 13th Century when the Zohar was codified, thank you for proving my point, you don't know what the Kabballah is about at all.

 

These teachings are held by followers in Judaism to define the inner meaning of both the Hebrew Bible and traditional rabbinic literature and their formerly concealed transmitted dimension, as well as to explain the significance of Jewish religious observances.[8] One of the fundamental kabbalistic texts, the Zohar, was first published in the 13th century, and the almost universal form adhered to in modern Judaism is Lurianic Kabbalah.

Traditional practitioners believe its earliest origins pre-date world religions, forming the primordial blueprint for Creation's philosophies, religions, sciences, arts, and political systems.[9] Historically, Kabbalah emerged from earlier forms of Jewish mysticism, in 12th- to 13th-century Spain and Southern France,[3][7] and was reinterpreted during the Jewish mystical renaissance in 16th-century Ottoman Palestine.[3] Isaac Luria is considered the father of contemporary Kabbalah; Lurianic Kabbalah was popularised in the form of Hasidic Judaism from the 18th century onwards.[3] During the 20th century, academic interest in Kabbalistic texts led primarily by the Jewish historian Gershom Scholem has inspired the development of historical research on Kabbalah in the field of Judaic studies.[10][11]

 

7 minutes ago, RobSS said:

The Kabbalah is also integral to the structure of Freemasonry, which is why it's such an enduring and powerful organisation.

Yes because freemasonry is Kabbalah for gentiles.

 

8 minutes ago, RobSS said:

However, the Kabbalah also contains the fundamental secrets of the material world and the human condition.

Did you read the premise about the jewish/gentile souls that I outlined?

Perhaps you just refuse to understand because to you I'm *disliking* jewish culture or something by outlining that.

 

However there are many other works describing the "fundamental secrets of the material world and the human condition" which don't have anything to with jewish supremacy and dark Babylonian magick

 

10 minutes ago, RobSS said:

why Jesus Christ accused the religious leaders of his day of being from their father devil because they placed the interpretations of man above the open exoteric words of the Torah.

Yes - the Pharisees; who while in exile in Babylon learnt dark Babylonian magick and then upon their return to Jerusalem in 538 BC by Cyrus the Great and the building of the second temple, blended it and made it part of their own interpretation of the Torah.

After Jesus condemned them as the Synagogue of Satan they had him crucified.

 

Later their teachings/interpretations, first written down and codified in the 4/5th Century,  became Talmudic/Rabbinic law which became modern/what we think of as the religion of Judaism, and later, through the esoteric writings of the Zohar which further expands on the olde magick from Babylon passed down orally, became what we now call the Kabballah.

 

24 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Those that learn its secrets can use it for nefarious purposes and that's the problem I have with Freemasonry and occultists. They take ideas from this mirror-reflected-world and make them doctrine and dogma, and in so doing, everything gets inverted and reversed, so black becomes white, up becomes down, and good becomes bad, 

You're understanding is back to front.

 

The "world" isn't mirror-reflected, its The Kabbalah doctrine and its occult practitioners the likes of Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank (Sabbatean Frankists) through using the Kabbalistic magic is what strives to forcibly turn our world on its head and 6uild 6ack 6etter, Novus ordo seclorum, tikkun olam, their new age from the ashes.

 

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3 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

You're getting far too excited in your praise of the Kabbalah.

Why shouldn't I condemn the evil machinations of dark Kabbalistic magicians destroying our world and giving a fuck-you finger to God/Spirit?

 

It's got absolutely NOTHING to do with the Bible, which I assume you speak of the Christian Bible, as it only started to come into existence in the 13th Century when the Zohar was codified, thank you for proving my point, you don't know what the Kabballah is about at all.

 

These teachings are held by followers in Judaism to define the inner meaning of both the Hebrew Bible and traditional rabbinic literature and their formerly concealed transmitted dimension, as well as to explain the significance of Jewish religious observances.[8] One of the fundamental kabbalistic texts, the Zohar, was first published in the 13th century, and the almost universal form adhered to in modern Judaism is Lurianic Kabbalah.

Traditional practitioners believe its earliest origins pre-date world religions, forming the primordial blueprint for Creation's philosophies, religions, sciences, arts, and political systems.[9] Historically, Kabbalah emerged from earlier forms of Jewish mysticism, in 12th- to 13th-century Spain and Southern France,[3][7] and was reinterpreted during the Jewish mystical renaissance in 16th-century Ottoman Palestine.[3] Isaac Luria is considered the father of contemporary Kabbalah; Lurianic Kabbalah was popularised in the form of Hasidic Judaism from the 18th century onwards.[3] During the 20th century, academic interest in Kabbalistic texts led primarily by the Jewish historian Gershom Scholem has inspired the development of historical research on Kabbalah in the field of Judaic studies.[10][11]

 

Yes because freemasonry is Kabbalah for gentiles.

 

Did you read the premise about the jewish/gentile souls that I outlined?

Perhaps you just refuse to understand because to you I'm *disliking* jewish culture or something by outlining that.

 

However there are many other works describing the "fundamental secrets of the material world and the human condition" which don't have anything to with jewish supremacy and dark Babylonian magick

 

Yes - the Pharisees; who while in exile in Babylon learnt dark Babylonian magick and then upon their return to Jerusalem in 538 BC by Cyrus the Great and the building of the second temple, blended it and made it part of their own interpretation of the Torah.

After Jesus condemned them as the Synagogue of Satan they had him crucified.

 

Later their teachings/interpretations, first written down and codified in the 4/5th Century,  became Talmudic/Rabbinic law which became modern/what we think of as the religion of Judaism, and later, through the esoteric writings of the Zohar which further expands on the olde magick from Babylon passed down orally, became what we now call the Kabballah.

 

You're understanding is back to front.

 

The "world" isn't mirror-reflected, its The Kabbalah doctrine and its occult practitioners the likes of Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank (Sabbatean Frankists) through using the Kabbalistic magic is what strives to forcibly turn our world on its head and 6uild 6ack 6etter, Novus ordo seclorum, tikkun olam, their new age from the ashes.

 

 

You seem to have a problem comprehending or you didn't bother to read my post fully. I'm not promoting occultists and neither am I promoting the idea that the Kabbalah should a source of information, which is why I said that the problem of the Kabbalah is that it inverts the truth. You don't read my posts properly, so I'll quote the bit you should've read in large type, so that you can't miss it:

 

Those that learn its secrets can use it for nefarious purposes and that's the problem I have with Freemasonry and occultists. They take ideas from this mirror-reflected-world and make them doctrine and dogma, and in so doing, everything gets inverted and reversed, so black becomes white, up becomes down, and good becomes bad, which is why Jesus Christ accused the religious leaders of his day of being from their father devil because they placed the interpretations of man above the open exoteric words of the Torah.

 

The Kabbalah, like the engine of a car, is what it is and should be left alone, but it's neutral and is not evil in and of itself. It only man that does evil with it. Left alone to be what ii is, it can't harm anyone.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, RobSS said:

As I said to Mac, earlier in the thread, without the Kabbalah you wouldn't be alive

speak for yourself.

 

47 minutes ago, RobSS said:

It's the engine which drives material reality

so you are on board with its evil machinations -  your attitude and posts in this forum certainly seem so - thanks for letting us know.

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16 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

 

so you are on board with its evil machinations - 

 

 

Please read fully before replying! LOL

 

The Kabbalah existed long before the word “Kabbalah” was even invented, or any word that was used to describe the Kabbalah. In fact, what is known as the “Kabbalah” existed long before humans were even created!

 

The Kabbalah in and of itself, is not evil, it just is, what it is and it's knowledge should not be taken as truth because it's merely a mirror reflection of reality, like a mansion with its reflection in a lake.

 

If you enter the mansion that's the mirror reflection in the lake, you will only get an upside down view of reality and possibly even learn or become corrupted by evil!

 

16 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

 

your attitude and posts in this forum certainly seem so - thanks for letting us know.

 

 

The problem is you don't read my posts properly. You had a preconceived and therefore mistaken idea of what I believe.

 

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16 minutes ago, RobSS said:

The problem is you don't read my posts properly. You had a preconceived and therefore mistaken idea of what I believe.

I responded to every one of your points - I DIDNT MISS ANYTHING!

 

Yelling at me in bold - when any reader can clearly see I responded - just makes you look rude.

 

16 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Please read fully before replying! LOL

 

The Kabbalah existed long before the word “Kabbalah” was even invented, or any word that was used to describe the Kabbalah. In fact, what is known as the “Kabbalah” existed long before humans were even created!

 

The Kabbalah in and of itself, is not evil, it just is, what it is and it's knowledge should not be taken as truth because it's merely a mirror reflection of reality, like a mansion with its reflection in a lake.

What arrogance!

 

Show me where you have actually outlined your said interpterion of what we're talking about when we talk about "the Kabballah"

 

If you had been clear as day as to your belief in what the Kabballah is, there wouldnt have been any confusion and saved myself and mac writing down with links as to what IS considered the "Kabballah" in conspiracy talk.

 

You can't just "decide" what you think is Kabballah and lorde it as the "correct' interpretation and then get uppity when others don't agree! Given others, myself included, were OBVIOUSLY meaning Kaballah in the conspiratorial "traditional" sense.

 

Now, apart from this so-called "explanation" of what you believe to be the K. above

 

The Kabbalah existed long before the word “Kabbalah” was even invented, or any word that was used to describe the Kabbalah. In fact, what is known as the “Kabbalah” existed long before humans were even created!

 

The Kabbalah in and of itself, is not evil, it just is, what it is and it's knowledge should not be taken as truth because it's merely a mirror reflection of reality, like a mansion with its reflection in a lake.

 

- show me where else you've outlined this fundamental differentiation from Kabbalah in the traditional sense, and no 'fluffy' talk made up by yourself, actual evidences,  and if you have;

 

Why didn't you just say so "look, we believe different things/interpretation about the Kabballah"

 

instead of moaning how I "condemn it too much" etc.... when I'm obviously talking about the traditional concept!

 

Also, why would use the terminology of "kabbalah" - which traditionally and conspiratorially means something COMPLETLY different, when speaking of such esoteric things?

 

How did you come to interpret whatever your talking about here as jewish mysticism?

 

This would help greatly in being on the same page for myself and other readers.

 

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1 minute ago, skitzorat said:

 

I responded to every one of your points - I DIDNT MISS ANYTHING!

 

Yelling at me in bold - when any reader can clearly see I responded - just makes you look rude.

 

What arrogance!

 

But you didn't read my original post properly, instead you falsely stated things which I do not believe. If you'd have read what I wrote, you wouldn't have come to the wrong conclusions but you had a strong preconception and you went with that, rather than taking more care.

 

1 minute ago, skitzorat said:

 

Show me where you have actually outlined your said interpterion of what we're talking about when we talk about "the Kabballah"

 

I mentioned earlier in this thread, here:

 

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/25220-the-jungle-book-as-an-allegory-for-political-society-the-conflicts-between-man-nature/&do=findComment&comment=380839

 

1 minute ago, skitzorat said:

 

If you had been clear as day as to your belief in what the Kabballah is, there wouldnt have been any confusion and saved myself and mac writing down with links as to what IS considered the "Kabballah" in conspiracy talk.

 

I was very clear. I couldn't be clearer. I said that it will lead to an inversion of the truth, but you conveniently ignored that or you just didn't bother reading and I suspect the latter.

 

1 minute ago, skitzorat said:

 

You can't just "decide" what you think is Kabballah and lorde it as the "correct' interpretation and then get uppity when others don't agree! Given others, myself included, were OBVIOUSLY meaning Kaballah in the conspiratorial "traditional" sense.

 

But I'm not saying the Kabbalah is anything. Don't understand what the expression, "It is what it is", means? It means that it's just something that exists. It a phenomenon and a very real one.

 

1 minute ago, skitzorat said:

Now, apart from this so-called "explanation" of what you believe to be the K. above

 

The Kabbalah existed long before the word “Kabbalah” was even invented, or any word that was used to describe the Kabbalah. In fact, what is known as the “Kabbalah” existed long before humans were even created!

 

The Kabbalah in and of itself, is not evil, it just is, what it is and it's knowledge should not be taken as truth because it's merely a mirror reflection of reality, like a mansion with its reflection in a lake.

 

- show me where else you've outlined this fundamental differentiation from Kabbalah in the traditional sense,

 

Which I have done...

 

1 minute ago, skitzorat said:

 

and if you have;

 

Why didn't you just say so "look, we believe different things/interpretation about the Kabballah"

 

instead of moaning how I "condemn it too much" etc.... when I'm obviously talking about the traditional concept!

 

Because of the tendency to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you'd have properly read what I wrote, it would've been patently obvious that I was expressing an alternative way of looking at what "it" is.

 

1 minute ago, skitzorat said:

Also, why would use the terminology of "kabbalah" - which traditionally and conspiratorially means something COMPLETLY different, when speaking of such esoteric things?

 

How did you come to interpret whatever your talking about here as jewish mysticism?

 

This would help greatly in being on the same page for myself and other readers.

 

 

I used the word "Kabbalah" because it's a helpful label and when it's used, it's immediately clear what's being referred to and discussed, but I did go on to explain that the label is irrelevant and that what "it" is, existed long before the word was invented, so I've already explained all that.

 

I think it should all be clear now, but just to give a pictorial illustration with Eliphas Levi's depiction of the hexagram, and the metaphor of the mansion, I used earlier, in which I described the double nature of "the Kabbalah", when the same mansion has a reflection in the lake. 

 

The mirror reflection

 

Occultists and Freemasons go astray because they gain knowledge from the reverse of reality, the reflection in the mirror:

 

 

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The "Kabbalah" (I put it in quotation marks to indicate that I'm not promoting the occultists view of how it should be viewed) is made up of two realities. A primary reality, and a reflected, mirror reality.


Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad, which is the negative, inverse or mirror reflection of what's now known as the "Kabbalah".


After being expelled from the Garden for eating from the wrong Tree, Adam and Eve, and future generations, were barred from eating fruit from the Tree of Life that give everlasting life. To prevent their return to the Tree of Life, an angel, with a flaming sword, was placed at the east end of the Garden to guard the way back to the Tree of Life.


On the long journey through the Jungle (to borrow a simile from the subject of this thread), we're now coming to the end of that "book" or journey, and it was prophesied in the Bible that in the end times, the secrets would be revealed, and this is what's happening now, in the Apocalypse.


The Bible also says that we can once again have access to the Tree of Life, and we're being prepared for having access to that Tree if we have an ear to hear what the message is, which implies that not everyone will get or understand what the message is, so it's really up to each person to make the effort, and to decide.

 

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7 minutes ago, RobSS said:

But you didn't read my original post properly, instead you falsely stated things which I do not believe.

I read your posts.

What have I "falsely" accused of this time?

I only quoted your own words.

 

7 minutes ago, RobSS said:

That was the page which I first replied "it is evil" to..

 

Theres nothing but you using and quoting others (authors etc) and then reinterpreting, without any further actual source documentation and evidences for such belief/interpretation at that time, what the Kabbalah is - which youre again rehashing here....

 

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Which I did read and then disagreed and said it WAS EVIL..  and gave MY interpretation of the Kabballah with evidences and sources, which is how I managed to get on the rob-merry-go-round again.

 

You can't co-opt the terminology to suit yourself and make it whatever esoteric mysticism youre talking about to mean what Rob believes to be the Kabbalah.

 

The Kabbalah is jewish mysticsm - this a form of cultural appropriation! shame! (thats sarcasm btw, I know it goes over your head so I spell it out)

 

 

7 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

Which I have done...

Apparently NOW you have, no need to get snarky.

 

20 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Because of the tendency to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you'd have properly read what I wrote, it would've been patently obvious that I was expressing an alternative way of looking at what "it" is.

throw the baby out with the bathwater - that your latest snarky "witty" retort.

 

I DID read properly what you wrote and it was patently obvious in my reply I was disagreeing with your so-called "alternative way" of looking at it and gave my reasons for so.

 

 

23 minutes ago, RobSS said:

I used the word "Kabbalah" because it's a helpful label and when it's used, it's immediately clear what's being referred to and discussed,

Why would you think co-opting the terminology of jewish mysticsm be a "helpful label"

 

If it was immediately clear - why did you go on to say I "condemn the Kabbalah too much" in the very reply I was in disagreement with? 

Why didnt you just say straight up I just wasn't interpreting the ROB label of Kabballah and then argue that the ROB label is the correct one!

 

25 minutes ago, RobSS said:

The mirror reflection

 

Occultists and Freemasons go astray because they gain knowledge from the reverse of reality, the reflection in the mirror:

 

 

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The "Kabbalah" (I put it in quotation marks to indicate that I'm not promoting the occultists view of how it should be viewed) is made up of two realities. A primary reality, and a reflected, mirror reality.


Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad, which is the negative, inverse or mirror reflection of what's now known as the "Kabbalah".


After being expelled from the Garden for eating from the wrong Tree, Adam and Eve, and future generations, were barred from eating fruit from the Tree of Life that give everlasting life. To prevent their return to the Tree of Life, an angel, with a flaming sword, was placed at the east end of the Garden to guard the way back to the Tree of Life.

yes, this appears to be what the "jews" who were in exile in Babylon, while learning ancient dark magick, cherry picked from their Torah as a way of blending the magick they learnt - who were the Pharisees, who then wrote down Talmudic law based on their oral teachings, then the Zohar Kabballah.

 

 

52 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad, which is the negative, inverse or mirror reflection of what's now known as the "Kabbalah".

 

No, this is but an 'aspect' of what ROB is calling Kabbalah because Rob knows best which you clearly show us by saying this:

 

52 minutes ago, RobSS said:

The "Kabbalah" (I put it in quotation marks to indicate that I'm not promoting the occultists view of how it should be viewed)

 

29 minutes ago, RobSS said:

The Bible also says that we can once again have access to the Tree of Life, and we're being prepared for having access to that Tree if we have an ear to hear what the message is, which implies that not everyone will get or understand what the message is, so it's really up to each person to make the effort, and to decide.

I'm not really that versed, but where does it say this in the New Testament? Which I gather you mean by "the Bible" since you do talk a lot of "Jesus" stuff, I assume youre more what could be called Christian (not necessarily church/organized)

 

Correct me if I wrong, but I was of the belief that Jesus' crucifixion and the NT started "a new" after God sacrificed Him and He died for humanities sins and thus the OT were just kind of 'fairytales' and allegories and the Gospels were more scared giving new instructions for living.

 

Nothing to do with Christianity which condemns magic in all its forms, so not sure about all your "Bible" talk.

 

HERETIC!!!!!!! (that was sarcasm too btw)

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57 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

I read your posts.

What have I "falsely" accused of this time?

I only quoted your own words.

 

You inverted what I wrote. In this post, you wrote: "You're understanding is back to front. The "world" isn't mirror-reflected, its The Kabbalah doctrine and its occult practitioners the likes of Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank (Sabbatean Frankists) through using the Kabbalistic magic is what strives to forcibly turn our world on its head and 6uild 6ack 6etter, Novus ordo seclorum, tikkun olam, their new age from the ashes."

 

That is actually an inversion of what I said in the post you replied to. In the post you replied to, I didn't say that the world was mirror-reflected, I said that the Kabbalah, as used by occultists is a "mirror-reflected-world", and I went on to say that, "everything gets inverted and reversed, so black becomes white, up becomes down, and good becomes bad, which is why Jesus Christ accused the religious leaders of his day of being from their father devil because they placed the interpretations of man above the open exoteric words of the Torah."

 

57 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

 

That was the page which I first replied "it is evil" to..

 

Theres nothing but you using and quoting others (authors etc) and then reinterpreting, without any further actual source documentation and evidences for such belief/interpretation at that time, what the Kabbalah is - which youre again rehashing here....

 

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Which I did read and then disagreed and said it WAS EVIL..  and gave MY interpretation of the Kabballah with evidences and sources, which is how I managed to get on the rob-merry-go-round again.

 

You can't co-opt the terminology to suit yourself and make it whatever esoteric mysticism youre talking about to mean what Rob believes to be the Kabbalah.

 

The Kabbalah is jewish mysticsm - this a form of cultural appropriation! shame! (thats sarcasm btw, I know it goes over your head so I spell it out)

 

Ive already explained that the Kabbalah in and of itself already existed in the Bible and in the cosmos before the Jewish mystics and occultists got their hands on it. I don't know what else to call it because there is no other label, which is why I've used the word in quotation marks and have explained that it is something that existed before the word "Kabbalah" even existed, but you aren't reading what I wrote, or your completely ignoring what I write, which is why you're coming to a false conclusion that it's evil. It's not evil. What is evil is the way it's been used by occultists. You're like a workman who blames the tool for the poor job when it was the hand of the workman that was responsible. A tool can do nothing until it's used by a man. The same is the case with what has now become known as "the Kabbalah".

 

57 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

 

Apparently NOW you have, no need to get snarky.

 

throw the baby out with the bathwater - that your latest snarky "witty" retort.

 

It's not a snarky or sneaky retort. If you throw away whatever the word "Kabbalah" is referring to, you are also throwing away the bible because whatever "it" (the "Kabbalah") is, it is integral to the Bible and cut be cut away without ripping out everything else.

 

57 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

 

I DID read properly what you wrote and it was patently obvious in my reply I was disagreeing with your so-called "alternative way" of looking at it and gave my reasons for so.

 

Why would you think co-opting the terminology of jewish mysticsm be a "helpful label"

 

Because there's no other convenient term, but that doesn't detract from the obvious point that the phenomenon of what the Kabbalah actually, existed before the word "Kabbalah" was invented.

 

57 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

 

If it was immediately clear - why did you go on to say I "condemn the Kabbalah too much" in the very reply I was in disagreement with? 

Why didnt you just say straight up I just wasn't interpreting the ROB label of Kabballah and then argue that the ROB label is the correct one!

 

I did explain very clearly how I was using the label "Kabbalah" and I said you condemn it too much because you're throwing everything out, including the baby, which is the Tree of Life. Instead of condemning the Kabbalah as evil, you should asking what it is that's evil about it, and what's about it is, not what it is, but how it's used.

 

57 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

yes, this appears to be what the "jews" who were in exile in Babylon, while learning ancient dark magick, cherry picked from their Torah as a way of blending the magick they learnt - who were the Pharisees, who then wrote down Talmudic law based on their oral teachings, then the Zohar Kabballah.

 

Yes, that's what Jesus Christ was critical of, but you illustrate my point. It's what they did that was evil, not the thing that was originally there.

 

57 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

 

No, this is but an 'aspect' of what ROB is calling Kabbalah because Rob knows best which you clearly show us by saying this:

 

The Kabbalah is the Tree of Life, and even Wikipedia will tell you that, so you claiming the Tree of Life is evil, and you're going against what the Bible teaches. Instead of reading what the Bible says, you're just following what most other people say about the Kabbalah and because you've heard it so many times, you think it's true, but there were two trees in the Garden... the occultists conflate the two, and derive knowledge from the negative aspect of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

57 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

 

I'm not really that versed, but where does it say this in the New Testament? Which I gather you mean by "the Bible" since you do talk a lot of "Jesus" stuff, I assume youre more what could be called Christian (not necessarily church/organized)

 

Correct me if I wrong, but I was of the belief that Jesus' crucifixion and the NT started "a new" after God sacrificed Him and He died for humanities sins and thus the OT were just kind of 'fairytales' and allegories and the Gospels were more scared giving new instructions for living.

 

Christ taught and preached from the Torah and from the Prophets of the Old Testament, otherwise, what on earth did he preach from? He even quoted the Old Testament to the Pharisees and Sadducees, by saying, "Is it not written?" In no way did he refer to the OT as "fairy tales".

 

These are the passages in the New Testament that refer to the Tree of Life, which the occultists refer to as the Kabbalah. Jesus Christ said:

 

"Let anyone who has an ear listen to what the Spirit is saying to the assemblies. To everyone who conquers, I will give permission to eat from the tree of life that is in the paradise of God." (Revelation 2:7)

 

"Through the middle of the street of the city. On either side of the river is the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, producing its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." (Revelation 22:2)

 

"Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates." (Revelation 22:14)

 

 

57 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

 

Nothing to do with Christianity which condemns magic in all its forms, so not sure about all your "Bible" talk.

 

But I've already said that it's wrong to use the "Kabbalah", for want of a better word, in that way, but you only listen to yourself, obviously, but in order to understand, you have to have ears to hear.

 

57 minutes ago, skitzorat said:

HERETIC!!!!!!! (that was sarcasm too btw)

 

I don't mind a bit of sarcasm.... they say it's the lowest form of wit. I don't agree though, but it's heretical to call the Tree of life, evil, which essentially is what the "Kabbalah" is. The problem isn't the phenomenon, whether you want to call it the Kabbalah or the Tree of Life, or whatever, it's how it's used and the motive that creates the evil, otherwise, Christ wouldn't offer it's fruit for anyone to eat.

 

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Just in case this gets forgotten...

 

21 hours ago, skitzorat said:

 

Can you name a famous writer/poet/script writer/movie maker etc from the early 20th Century who wasn't involved in a 'secret society' and part of the [dark] "establishment"?

 

 

How about George Orwell, for example? He wasn't a member of any secret society.

 

Orwell wrote, in "Why I Write":

 

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."

 

20 hours ago, skitzorat said:

 

Orwell was as establishment as they come!

 

 

And? But Orwell also often challenged the status quo!

 

20 hours ago, skitzorat said:

 

He worked for the BBC,

 

 

And? He didn't like totalitarians and authoritarians. He wanted people to have freedom and he wanted to help his fellow British folk not to be defeated and killed by the Nazis, so he used his abilities for some propaganda. There are worse things he could've done!

 

In any event, George Orwell left the BBC in 1943 because he was fed up with its control freakery, and later described his time with the BBC as two wasted years of his life, so he would probably have loathed what the BBC has become today!

 

20 hours ago, skitzorat said:

 

was taught by Aldous Huxley,

 

 

So what?

 

20 hours ago, skitzorat said:

 

was part of the notorious Fabian Society 

 

 

And? How long was he member for? Did he leave after finding out about the conspiracy, and did his experience inspire him to write 1984 as a heartfelt warning against the aims of the Fabian Society? Perhaps he became disillusioned with the Fabian Society, like he did with the BBC. Just questions...

 

20 hours ago, skitzorat said:

 

and was friends with the likes of HG Wells.

 

 

So what? He was also one of the harshest critics of H.G. Wells.

 

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9 hours ago, RobSS said:

They take ideas from this mirror-reflected-world and make them doctrine and dogma, and in so doing, everything gets inverted and reversed, so black becomes white, up becomes down, and good becomes bad, which is why Jesus Christ accused the religious leaders of his day of being from their father devil because they placed the interpretations of man above the open exoteric words of the Torah.

 

That reminds me of an interpretation of the injured fisher king i heard. The idea was that the king became injured because arthur chose his base nature over the church and nation. This lead to the land becoming sick. It was the healed through the grail

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10 minutes ago, RobSS said:

How about George Orwell, for example? He wasn't a member of any secret society.

 

Orwell wrote, in "Why I Write":

 

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."

 

I'm not aware if he was in any occult group but as you point out he did flirt with left wing politics which didn't work out so well for him when he fought for the international brigades in spain. While there he saw how the state-socialists crushed the anarchists and he himself ended up in jail. The 'left' was not a homogenous group but rather a bunch of factions that eventually turned on each other.

 

He was a military policeman in burma soi wouldn't be surprised if he had some involvement with freemasonry but i think his stint in the BBC propaganda dept during the war gave him an insight into the fabians and their plans for the world and of course he ended up writing about 'INGSOC' ie english socialism in '1984' where he warned about the dangers of centralised state-socialism

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That reminds me of an interpretation of the injured fisher king i heard. The idea was that the king became injured because arthur chose his base nature over the church and nation. This lead to the land becoming sick. It was the healed through the grail

 

 

That's a general summary. I did a post on the subject which contains a couple detailed explanations for Amfortas's wound:

 

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/23037-roger-scruton/&do=findComment&comment=378717

 

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That's a general summary. I did a post on the subject which contains a couple detailed explanations for Amfortas's wound:

 

https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/23037-roger-scruton/&do=findComment&comment=378717

 

ok so with the spear the crowleyites make a connection to the phallus and the wounding of the king in the 'thigh' as anal sex. They also have a sexual re-telling of the adam and eve story as they see the 'snake' in a phallic sense and the loss of innocence of eve relating to the sex act

 

But putting crowleys sexual views aside, with the idea of arthur neglecting the spiritual and the regal duties for the base can we see a kind of freudian divide with his kingship representing the head, the church representing the heart and the base representing the generative organs which is to say the three blue degrees

 

The message being at that stage of the initiatory process that an aspirant must have some mastery over their animal nature

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16 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I'm not aware if he was in any occult group but as you point out he did flirt with left wing politics which didn't work out so well for him when he fought for the international brigades in spain. While there he saw how the state-socialists crushed the anarchists and he himself ended up in jail. The 'left' was not a homogenous group but rather a bunch of factions that eventually turned on each other.

 

He was a military policeman in burma soi wouldn't be surprised if he had some involvement with freemasonry but i think his stint in the BBC propaganda dept during the war gave him an insight into the fabians and their plans for the world and of course he ended up writing about 'INGSOC' ie english socialism in '1984' where he warned about the dangers of centralised state-socialism

 

He may have been curious about Freemasonry at some point, but there's no evidence of him joining an Masonic Lodge, not even a whisper of it anywhere. I don't think it would've been congruent with his nature though because his main protagonist says: “If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.” Also his loathing of Big Brother.

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18 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

do you believe that LURIANIC KABBALAH as used by the sabbateans and chabad lubavich is a SUPREMACIST doctrine?

 

I've never read it and it's not the subject of this thread, but there will always be supremacism in these things because the one who inspires the doctrines is Satan who sees himself as being higher than God.

 

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ok so with the spear the crowleyites make a connection to the phallus and the wounding of the king in the 'thigh' as anal sex. They also have a sexual re-telling of the adam and eve story as they see the 'snake' in a phallic sense and the loss of innocence of eve relating to the sex act

 

But putting crowleys sexual views aside, with the idea of arthur neglecting the spiritual and the regal duties for the base can we see a kind of freudian divide with his kingship representing the head, the church representing the heart and the base representing the generative organs which is to say the three blue degrees

 

The message being at that stage of the initiatory process that an aspirant must have some mastery over their animal nature

 

Crowley's connections don't have any resemblance to what Wagner wrote in the music score. He leaves what happened open, with the implication that he went off to fight Amfortas, but got seduced by Kundry, and in neglecting his office, Klingsor, who was poised nearby, made off the Spear and wounded Amfortas in the side as he left the scene. It is all symbolic, and the usual explanation is that he failed to master his animal urges.

 

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I've never read it and it's not the subject of this thread, but there will always be supremacism in these things because the one who inspires the doctrines is Satan who sees himself as being higher than God.

 

I think luria was cementing supremacism into the mix and when we look at global events we can certainly see all signs pointing to a high tech centre in israel wielding huge power in the coming technocracy because the entire thing will be run by artificial intelligence

 

muir had a thread before the hack that detailed 'israels role in the technocracy' that looked at all the israeli personnel behind big tech and how many israeli statups are creating by israeli military coming out of the unit 8200 cyber warfare unit; if there is to be a moshiac that is going to make the sabbatean people the supreme people on the planet then what better force to use to do that then artificial intelligence? We can perhaps go one further and say that a force from the unseen is in fact materialising into our physical realm through the artificial intelligence

 

knowing all this and more besides as we have for many years it has been very disturbing to see people like albert bourla, the jewish scientist who created the pfizer jab, pushing the jab out onto the west. Bourla is from thessalonika in greece and that area is a hotbed of sabbateanism because of the donmeh crypto-sabbateans from turkey

 

why did the supremacist occultists want their drug into everyone and what is now going to happen now that they have managed that.

 

This is the context within which all of these things are being discussed and it is liable to make people defencive

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6 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

Crowley's connections don't have any resemblance to what Wagner wrote in the music score. He leaves what happened open, with the implication that he went off to fight Amfortas, but got seduced by Kundry, and in neglecting his office, Klingsor, who was poised nearby, made off the Spear and wounded Amfortas in the side as he left the scene. It is all symbolic, and the usual explanation is that he failed to master his animal urges.

 

right which feeds into the masonic degrees which take the initiate from their generative organs to the head and then finally to the heart which should act as a mediator between the two except luciferians seem to elevate the intellect above the heart

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The Kabbalah is jewish mysticism end of.

 

There are a multitudes of different esoteric beliefs from ancient times and from all corners and cultures of the planet, but "Kabbalah" as it is universally known (outside Rob-world) is not "something that has always existed."

 

Rob can argue until he's black and blue in the face and co-opt that terminology to include any and all occultism/esoteric knowledge from the ancient Mid-East and include biblical fairy tales, many of which were plagiarized from more ancient Mesopotamian myths,  but it doesn't change what is factually correct.

 

Playing the usual semantic games such as

 

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

But I've already said that it's wrong to use the "Kabbalah", for want of a better word, in that way, but you only listen to yourself, obviously, but in order to understand, you have to have ears to hear.

 

and being petulant isn't a strong way to argue your a for creating ones own interpretation of jewish mysticism in forum discussions.

 

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

The Kabbalah is the Tree of Life, and even Wikipedia will tell you that, so you claiming the Tree of Life is evil,

 

LOLZ!!

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The tree of life is a diagram used in various mystical traditions.[1] It usually consists of 10 nodes symbolizing different archetypes and 22 lines connecting the nodes.[2] The nodes are often arranged into three columns to represent that they belong to a common category.[2]

 

 

It is usually referred to as the Kabbalistic tree of life in order to distinguish it from other concepts with the same name.[1][6] In the Jewish Kabbalah, the nodes are called sephiroth.[2] The diagram is also used by Christian Cabbala, Hermetic Qabalah and Theosophy.[5][6][7] The diagram is believed to be derivable from the flower of life.[3]

 

Scholars believe that the concept of a tree of life with different spheres encompassing aspects of reality traces its origins back to Assyria in the 9th century BC.[1][6] The Assyrians also assigned values and specific numbers to their deities similar to those used by the later Jewish Kabbalah.[1][6] The beginnings of the Jewish Kabbalah are traced back by scholars to the Medieval Age, originating in the Book of Bahir and the Book of Zohar.[5][6]

 

I clearly never said the Tree of Life was "evil" lol I never mentioned anything to do with the trees lol talk about "false accusations"🤣

 

 

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

Instead of reading what the Bible says, you're just following what most other people say about the Kabbalah and because you've heard it so many times, you think it's true, but there were two trees in the Garden...

 

Again, just because ROB decides what is the Kabbalah, despite all the historiographical evidences and sources also doesn't make it so.

 

So no, I most certainly will not just "read the Bible" instead of sourcing my information from multiple pieces of documentation and authors because I don't hold "the Bible" to be a complete and final collection, let alone trustworthy, "interpretation" of so-called "truths" or way-of-being/all divine knowledge etc.

 

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

Christ taught and preached from the Torah and from the Prophets of the Old Testament, otherwise, what on earth did he preach from? He even quoted the Old Testament to the Pharisees and Sadducees, by saying, "Is it not written?" In no way did he refer to the OT as "fairy tales".

 

Not need to get uppity, dear, I very purposely said "I'm not that well versed"

 

I'm refering to what I believed, again, stating I'm not that well versed, that Christianity was a "new start" with the NT and that Christians, thus, believed the "OT was fairy-tales to be used as allegories" - what I said was nothing to do with what Christ may or may not have "preached from" 

 

now whose "misinterpreting what people say"?!🤣

 

Anyways. I'm out because Rob can't have civil conversations/discussions without being rude and petulant when someone says something counter to what ROB believes is The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing But The Truth - so Help Us God.

 

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On 1/25/2022 at 11:50 PM, RobSS said:

Just in case this gets forgotten...

 

 

How about George Orwell, for example? He wasn't a member of any secret society.

 

Orwell wrote, in "Why I Write":

 

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."

 

 

And? But Orwell also often challenged the status quo!

 

 

And? He didn't like totalitarians and authoritarians. He wanted people to have freedom and he wanted to help his fellow British folk not to be defeated and killed by the Nazis, so he used his abilities for some propaganda. There are worse things he could've done!

 

In any event, George Orwell left the BBC in 1943 because he was fed up with its control freakery, and later described his time with the BBC as two wasted years of his life, so he would probably have loathed what the BBC has become today!

 

 

So what?

 

 

And? How long was he member for? Did he leave after finding out about the conspiracy, and did his experience inspire him to write 1984 as a heartfelt warning against the aims of the Fabian Society? Perhaps he became disillusioned with the Fabian Society, like he did with the BBC. Just questions...

 

 

So what? He was also one of the harshest critics of H.G. Wells.

 

Yeah - is this your petulance and arrogance showing again? (thats a rhetorical question, Rob.)

 

"In case it gets forgotten"

 

Who, besides yourself, would care what happened a page or so ago?! lol

 

I didn't reply because I didn't believe it worthy of anything.

 

I said - paraphrasing here (just so we're clear, Rob)

 

can you name a famous author (figure) from early 20th C who wasnt part of the establishment.

 

You said

Orwell.

 

To which I replied:

He was a total insider and as establishment as they come and gave examples.

 

To which you said.

so 

so

so

so

 

 

 

It was rather petty and I choose not to reply because I didnt want to get on that particular merry-go-round with you as it wouldn't have been in anyway constructive to the thread and just be another throttle of the forum, as per your usual antics.

 

Are you trying to "own" me by recycling this?

"incase it gets forgotten"

 

Are you trying to make it seem, and thereby me look, like I'm deliberately AVOIDING your completely well presented and sound, constructive retorts by not replying because I "can't" for some reason, or something?

 

Just curious. What other reason would you do this? force that back into the conversation to "remind" me [and other readers] of it? If I was going to reply, wouldn't I do so naturally?

 

-Perhaps I'm 

"tilting at windmills" or;

"making a mountain out of a molehill" or;

"thowing the baby out with the bathwater" or;

blah blah

 

lolz

If so, you owned me good, Rob. Kudos you.

 

 

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