Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, RobSS said: But once you've pointed the finger of blame, what then? The guillotine, and then what? well the guillotine is poor example isn't it because that whole episode was orchestrated by the illuminati But in terms of understanding the lay of the land i'd say that essentially it helps you to protect yourself. Do you have a right to harm people in self defence? yes absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Macnamara said: i'm just helping you to understand that in time i will be proven right and you will be proven wrong You sound like a lot of Jehovah Witnesses - everyone is bad except themselves because only they see the truth, and so they constantly tell people how bad the world is to prove their own terrible personal reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, RobSS said: So how is the Everyman character in Led Zeplin and the LGBT movement then? How am I wrong about that? i didn't say you are wrong about those things you just remind me of the same kind of thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, RobSS said: You sound like a lot of Jehovah Witnesses - everyone is bad except themselves because only they see the truth, and so they constantly tell people how bad the world is to prove their own terrible personal reality. you can launch ad hominum attacks if you like but that does not prove that, objectively speaking, kipling was not trying to manipulate society through his work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, RobSS said: Then be specific and not vague and general. Just posting a video with no comments says dada. ok to summarise what the video said: moral reletavism is essentially believeing that what is right is whatever is good for you and not what is objectively moral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: well the guillotine is poor example isn't it because that whole episode was orchestrated by the illuminati But in terms of understanding the lay of the land i'd say that essentially it helps you to protect yourself. Do you have a right to harm people in self defence? yes absolutely It wasn't just the illuminati, it was also the people, because in most people is the will to power which is a very powerful force, as Frodo learned with the one Ring. As soon as power is wielded politically, it corrupts. You want to set up Nuremberg 2.0 but you're only relying on an illuminati model of retribution and a council of blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Macnamara said: i didn't say you are wrong about those things you just remind me of the same kind of thinking But I'm not supporting any political movement or heavy metal band. I'm talking about Mowgli and Everyman characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RobSS said: You're pointing the finger of blame again. But this thread is about questioning the Everyman character and what wisdom can be learned from this aspect of human nature. If you only want to focus on material reality and the red bricks, why don't you do your own thread on the subject? I might even be able to contribute my own knowledge to your red bricks. then you'd probably be better discussing joseph campbells 'the hero with a thousand faces' i might even be able to contribute my knowledge to the discussion Edited January 25, 2022 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Macnamara said: you can launch ad hominum attacks if you like but that does not prove that, objectively speaking, kipling was not trying to manipulate society through his work You want to blame, blame blame, blame, and look at Kipling and the cult of personality, which is really about you, but how does Mowgli manipulate anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: then you'd probably be better discussing joseph campbells 'the hero with a thousand faces' i might even be able to contribute my knowledge to the discussion Yes, I've read his work because fairy and heroic tales are my life's interest, but what do you know about what he says about what can be learned from Everyman characters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, RobSS said: But I'm not supporting any political movement or heavy metal band. I'm talking about Mowgli and Everyman characters. no you are doing more than that you have spoken about wagners operas and the grail quest and what it means to you which is to say that you see it as a portal to the next age then you pushed jungle book and the lord of the rings and all of these things are very charged with occult significance as i explained to you crowleys oto use the grail procession as part of their mythos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Macnamara said: But in terms of understanding the lay of the land i'd say that essentially it helps you to protect yourself. Do you have a right to harm people in self defence? yes absolutely Then once you've set up your council or tribunal, and you throw everyone you don't like in prison, what then? Will the evil in people be defeated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Macnamara said: no you are doing more than that you have spoken about wagners operas and the grail quest and what it means to you which is to say that you see it as a portal to the next age then you pushed jungle book and the lord of the rings and all of these things are very charged with occult significance as i explained to you crowleys oto use the grail procession as part of their mythos You're being very vague and non-specific again. You want to poison the well and throw the baby out with the bathwater. What harm is Parsifal or Mowgli causing to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, RobSS said: Then once you've set up your council or tribunal, and you throw everyone you don't like in prison, what then? Will the evil in people be defeated? that's why i talk about OBJECTIVE morality and not moral reletavism its your thinking that means that one group of people can do whatever is good for them even if it hurts others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Macnamara said: ok to summarise what the video said: moral reletavism is essentially believeing that what is right is whatever is good for you and not what is objectively moral I don't believe in what is right is whatever is good for you and Mowgli doesn't promote that belief in any way shape or form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RobSS said: Yes, I've read his work because fairy and heroic tales are my life's interest, but what do you know about what he says about what can be learned from Everyman characters? i have met the old woman bearing amulets and I have seen the dark lake in the bottom of the glen Edited January 25, 2022 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RobSS said: I don't believe in what is right is whatever is good for you and Mowgli doesn't promote that belief in any way shape or form. well it wouldn't be mowgli who would be presenting a moral reletavist view would it? It would be his occult author kipling Edited January 25, 2022 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, Macnamara said: that's why i talk about OBJECTIVE morality and not moral reletavism its your thinking that means that one group of people can do whatever is good for them even if it hurts others I'm saying go ahead and make it your life to put people in prison. I'm not stopping you, but you are preventing discussion about Mowgli in this thread. You can start your own thread where you can prosecute blame and build red bricks, and like i said, I might even be able to add a few of my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, RobSS said: Then once you've set up your council or tribunal, and you throw everyone you don't like in prison should people go to prison for the covid jabs rob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: i have met the old woman bearing amulets and I have seen the dark lake in the bottom of the glen What's that supposed to mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, RobSS said: I'm saying go ahead and make it your life to put people in prison. I'm not stopping you, but you are preventing discussion about Mowgli in this thread. ah i see......so only the people that YOU want in prison should go to prison right? yes that's how moral reletavism works so should bill gates go to prison rob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, RobSS said: What's that supposed to mean? lol what do you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, RobSS said: you are preventing discussion about Mowgli in this thread. the thread isn't specifically about mowgli it is about the purpose behind 'jungle book' ie: 'The Jungle Book as an allegory for political society & the conflicts between man & nature' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: well i wouldn't be mowgli who would be presenting a moral relatavist view would it? It would be his occult author kipling Look, I could spend all day talking about what an awful person Wagner was but no one is perfect and if we only looked at people's private lives and nothing else, there would be no culture and no truths around which to build a sense of community. You want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Macnamara said: should people go to prison for the covid jabs rob? That's very vague, but that's not the subject of this thread. I hope this isn't the start of trolling again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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