Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, RobSS said: What propaganda? Consider the concept of the 'overton window' which is the idea that the corporate media set the parameters of what is acceptable discourse for example if the mainstream radio were to have a discussion about the covid jabs they would have a discussion about whether or not to wait a certain amount of time before having your second jab What they would not discuss is whether or not you should have the jab at all! So they create a window within which they are tricking people to believe the discussion must take place But the same thing can be done with popular culture by creating peoples perceptions about the big questions in life such as about good and evil and creation itself In one of my threads i looked at how a marxist spy was put in charge of the courtauld institute where he was then able to dictate to british society what would be considered 'art' for the second half of the century and in another one of my threads i looked at how a member of the hermetic order of the golden dawn was not only a university professor but was in a position within publishing whereby he was able to decide what would be read by academia So time and time again we have these people that are part of certain agendas being in gatekeeper positions and also creating the 'art' that then shapes our perceptions as a society and i'm asking on a deeper level what their goal with that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RobSS said: But the Kabbalah is not bad or evil in and of itself. What can be evil is the intention behind its use. Without the Kabbalah, none of use would be alive. It's the engine that moves life forwards and supports life and creativity. so even if we take that as true then we can still ask if kipling's use of kabbalah was of pure intent or if it feeds into the wider conspiracy which is what i'm trying to ask and what i'm saying to you is that i don't trust kipling Edited January 25, 2022 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Macnamara said: Consider the concept of the 'overton window' which is the idea that the corporate media set the parameters of what is acceptable discourse for example if the mainstream radio were to have a discussion about the covid jabs they would have a discussion about whether or not to wait a certain amount of time before having your second jab What they would not discuss is whether or not you should have the jab at all! So they create a window within which they are tricking people to believe the discussion must take place But the same thing can be done with popular culture by creating peoples perceptions about the big questions in life such as about good and evil and creation itself In one of my threads i looked at how a marxist spy was put in charge of the courtauld institute where he was then able to dictate to british society what would be considered 'art' for the second half of the century and in another one of my threads i looked at how a member of the hermetic order of the golden dawn was not only a university professor but was in a position within publishing whereby he was able to decide what would be read by academia So time and time again we have these people that are part of certain agendas being in gatekeeper positions and also creating the 'art' that then shapes our perceptions as a society and i'm asking on a deeper level what their goal with that is This is still too vague and general. How does what you're saying specifically relate the story of The Jungle Book and the morals and the lessons of the story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Macnamara said: so even if we take that as true then we can still ask if kipling's use of kabbalah was of pure intent or if it feeds into the wider conspiracy which is what i'm trying to ask This is a question worth asking but I think we already discussed this earlier in the thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, RobSS said: This is still too vague and general. How does what you're saying specifically relate the story of The Jungle Book and the morals and the lessons of the story? which the book or the movie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Macnamara said: which the book or the movie? I don't wish to be vague, but I mean the story in general. All the artistic interpretations seem to have their own merits and insights. My favourite is the Zoltan Korda interpretation because of its depiction of Shere Khan as Cain, but there are also many other life affirming fascinating insights in that particular film too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) I strongly identify with Mowgli. He was brought up by wolves and animals who taught him the ropes and the secrets of the jungle clan. I grew up close to the street with wild skinheads and subsequently had many encounters along the way, similar to Mowgli with his encounter with Shere Khan. I also identify with Milo, Frodo, Pinocchio, Gulliver, Jack, and Aladdin, who was also a street urchin, but I'm going to start a new thread on this in order to explore the topic more fully and see if other people feel the same about these Everyperson stories. I say 'person' because there are also Alice and Dorothy, two tourists of the astral realm who shouldn't be neglected or forgotten, and sometimes they come as a pair, like Hansel and Gretel, who had an encounter with a witch. Edited January 25, 2022 by RobSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 A lot of movies reveal the cabal's hidden agenda, and the true nature of our make-believe world, but relatively few do so in a way that's beneficial to the viewer... in a way that's spiritually uplifting, inspiring and confidence building. For uplifting films I'd recommend films made for children, but ones that are also made with adult satisfaction in mind. Fairy tales contain a lot of positive information. Books are the ideal medium, but every so often, a director comes along who adds insights to a classic tale that are unique and full of value. Of course, there are also many stories and films that come somewhere in the middle. Fairy tales were originally much darker than the ones most people have come to know through writers such as Hans Christian Anderson, and the Brothers Grimm. A lot of artists over the past century and a half have taken very old ideas and reworked the essence of these stories in such a way so as to create an almost original appearing story, and in some cases they no longer even appear to be simple fairy tales, but they still have a lot of the essential information embedded in them that are seeds for growth, and new ideas. Why are stories made for children that also satisfy adults, the best places to find information? It's the last place a conceited person with the wrong attitude would look. In order to find inner revelation, the heart needs to be open, and the intellect needs to be at the service of the spirit. Proud people who value their intellects and academic knowledge, above anything else, are too busy concerning themselves with how to impress others with their cleverness and status. "That's all part of the dream world, only suitable for children, and dreamers", they say, and so they look down on such things from a position of superiority, as they believe their brain's intellect is far superior to the spirit that comes from the heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, RobSS said: I don't wish to be vague, but I mean the story in general. All the artistic interpretations seem to have their own merits and insights. My favourite is the Zoltan Korda interpretation because of its depiction of Shere Khan as Cain, but there are also many other life affirming fascinating insights in that particular film too. ok but sorry to go off on a conspiracy tangent again but korda sounds like he may have had some dodgy connections himself now you might ask but what harm could there possibly be in a cartoon of jungle book but i guess we could ask the same question of tv itself or of the internet as for most of the 200,000 years of modern humans we have not had these things. They have come very suddenly, in the flash of an eye and we really don't know what the psychic impact of these things will be. Society is the testtube of the tavistock institute. This piece discusses the kordas: How British intelligence shaped the u. S. 'entertainment industry' by Michael J. Minnicino https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1982/eirv09n41-19821026/eirv09n41-19821026_060-how_british_intelligence_shaped.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, RobSS said: I strongly identify with Mowgli. He was brought up by wolves and animals taught him the ropes and the secrets of the jungle clan. I grew up close to the street with wild skinheads and subsequently had many encounters along the way, similar to Mowgli with his encounter with Shere Khan. I also identify with Milo, Frodo, Pinnochio and Aladdin, who was also a street urchin, but I'm going to start a new thread on this in order to explore the topic more fully and see if other people feel the same about these Everyperson stories. I say 'person' because there are also Alice and Dorothy, two tourists of the astral realm who shouldn't be neglected or forgotten, and sometimes they come as a pair, like Hansel and Gretel. but that is your subjective interpretation and it is interesting that you mention the astral realm because we can ask what exactly is the impact going to be on the human psyche of these images being beamed in through peoples eyeballs? the reason i ask is because i don't trust the people who make these movies and when we consider the role of sabbatean jews like freud in dream analysis we can wonder just what kind of impact these things are going to have on our inner world Edited January 25, 2022 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, RobSS said: Why are stories made for children that also satisfy adults but why are the illuminati so concerned with creating things that will be consumed by the youth whether its childrens cartoons or the pop music industry? what are they trying to do to people on the psychic level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: ok but sorry to go off on a conspiracy tangent again but korda sounds like he may have had some dodgy connections himself now you might ask but what harm could there possibly be in a cartoon of jungle book but i guess we could ask the same question of tv itself or of the internet as for most of the 200,000 years of modern humans we have not had these things. They have come very suddenly, in the flash of an eye and we really don't know what the psychic impact of these things will be. Society is the testtube of the tavistock institute. This piece discusses the kordas: How British intelligence shaped the u. S. 'entertainment industry' by Michael J. Minnicino https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1982/eirv09n41-19821026/eirv09n41-19821026_060-how_british_intelligence_shaped.pdf You seem to be falling back on your default position of throwing the baby out with the bathwater all the time. By not focusing on the kernel of the truths, there's the risk of not seeing the wood for the trees. Personalities are interesting but they should not occult the truths, so therefore, I'm more interested in Mowgli than I am of Rudyard Kipling, I'm more interested in Milo than I am of Norton Juster, I'm more interested in Pinocchio than I am of Carlo Collodi, I'm more interested in Gulliver than I am in Jonathan Swift, I'm more interested in Parsifal than I am in Richard Wagner, etc. I'm not interested in the cult of personality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Macnamara said: but why are the illuminati so concerned with creating things that will be consumed by the youth whether its childrens cartoons or the pop music industry? what are they trying to do to people on the psychic level? The illuminati have a duty to reveal their agenda in advance but they conceal truths in places where most people are less likely to look, and I explained the reasoning for that already, in the post you replied to: It's the last place a conceited person with the wrong attitude would look. In order to find inner revelation, the heart needs to be open, and the intellect needs to be at the service of the spirit. Proud people who value their intellects and academic knowledge, above anything else, are too busy concerning themselves with how to impress others with their cleverness and status. "That's all part of the dream world, only suitable for children, and dreamers", they say, and so they look down on such things from a position of superiority, as they believe their brain's intellect is far superior to the spirit that comes from the heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, RobSS said: You seem to be falling back on your default position of throwing the baby out with the bathwater all the time. By not focusing on the kernel of the truths, there's the risk of not seeing the wood for the trees. Personalities are interesting but they should not occult the truths, so therefore, I'm more interested in Mowgli than I am of Rudyard Kipling, I'm more interested in Milo than I am of Norton Juster, I'm more interested in Pinocchio than I am of Carlo Collodi, I'm more interested in Gulliver than I am in Jonathan Swift, I'm more interested in Parsifal than I am in Richard Wagner, etc. I'm not interested in the cult of personality. so you look at the trees while i step back and see how the trees are actually part of a big forest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, RobSS said: The illuminati have a duty to reveal their agenda in advance but they conceal truths in places where most people are less likely to look, and I explained the reasoning for that already, in the post you replied to: but i'm not being dismissive rob. I am engaging with the subject of discussion I just don't share your perception of what is going on so your perception is that the elite are secretly telling us what they are doing through childrens programmes to circumvent some sort of law of karma But my perception is that the 'art' is itself crafted by magicians to have a particular psychic impact on the viewer that feeds into their agenda of control. I might not necessarily have a grasp on the full nuts and bolts of how that works on that level but i believe that the dark occultists do as they have a grasp of human psychology that far surpases what is currently within the scientific textbooks. I believe they are manipulating people on a subconscious level through mass media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, Macnamara said: we can ask what exactly is the impact going to be on the human psyche of these images being beamed in through peoples eyeballs? The impact they have is entirely up to you as you're responsible for creating your own reality. Personal reality cannot be created by blaming other people. So it's not the stories that are evil or bad, it's how they are viewed. Most people just dismiss them and in so doing they throw the baby out of the bathwater. That's why the illuminati place put the truth where conceited minds won't look. 13 minutes ago, Macnamara said: the reason i ask is because i don't trust the people who make these movies and when we consider the role of sabbatean jews like freud in dream analysis we can wonder just what kind of impact these things are going to have on our inner world You have to take responsibility for your own reality instead of looking for blame and walling in distrust. For example, at the end of C.S. Lewis's Narnia tale, "The Last Battle", Aslan (Jesus Christ), says: "They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they cannot be taken out." The astral is merely the matrix. You can't leave the matrix unless you understand what the matrix is and take responsibility for your own reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Macnamara said: so you look at the trees while i step back and see how the trees are actually part of a big forest No, in the context of the metaphor, "Not being able to see the wood for the trees", I look at the wood. There is spirit and then there's material reality. I think of spirit as being the 'blue bricks' and 'material reality' as being the 'red bricks'. You like to focus on the 'red bricks'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 you have another thread on shelob from the lord of the rings which you asked me to leave so i have but i feel the argument i'm trying to make there is easier than the argument in jungle book because i have less familiarity with the jungle book. But with the lord of the rings there is a different conception of reality being offered which is not the orthodox christian one. If we consider works like harry potter and the lord of the rings they normalise the occult and encourage the young to view the occult favourably. Arguably therefore the elites who control the airwaves would want to create and push those kind of stories because it is helping them to remake the world in their own image Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Macnamara said: but i'm not being dismissive rob. I am engaging with the subject of discussion I just don't share your perception of what is going on so your perception is that the elite are secretly telling us what they are doing through childrens programmes to circumvent some sort of law of karma But my perception is that the 'art' is itself crafted by magicians to have a particular psychic impact on the viewer that feeds into their agenda of control. I might not necessarily have a grasp on the full nuts and bolts of how that works on that level but i believe that the dark occultists do as they have a grasp of human psychology that far surpases what is currently within the scientific textbooks. I believe they are manipulating people on a subconscious level through mass media I addressed these things here: https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/25220-the-jungle-book-as-an-allegory-for-political-society-the-conflicts-between-man-nature/&do=findComment&comment=380946 In particular, the quote by C.S. Lewis, through Aslan (Jesus Christ): "They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they cannot be taken out." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, RobSS said: The impact they have is entirely up to you as you're responsible for creating your own reality. Personal reality cannot be created by blaming other people. So it's not the stories that are evil or bad, it's how they are viewed. Most people just dismiss them and in so doing they throw the baby out of the bathwater. That's why the illuminati place put the truth where conceited minds won't look. You have to take responsibility for your own reality instead of looking for blame and walling in distrust. For example, at the end of C.S. Lewis's Narnia tale, "The Last Battle", Aslan (Jesus Christ), says: "They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they cannot be taken out." The astral is merely the matrix. You can't leave the matrix unless you understand what the matrix is and take responsibility for your own reality. but i AM taking responsiblity for my own reality by asking deeper questions it is you who is entreating us to blindly trust in this process that these freemasons have created Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, RobSS said: No, in the context of the metaphor, "Not being able to see the wood for the trees", I look at the wood. There is spirit and then there's material reality. I think of spirit as being the 'blue bricks' and 'material reality' as being the 'red bricks'. You like to focus on the 'red bricks'. no i don't think you are doing that i think you are simply looking to see what you WANT to see in it, instead of standing back and seeing if their is a purpose behind its design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Macnamara said: you have another thread on shelob from the lord of the rings which you asked me to leave so i have but i feel the argument i'm trying to make there is easier than the argument in jungle book because i have less familiarity with the jungle book. But with the lord of the rings there is a different conception of reality being offered which is not the orthodox christian one. If we consider works like harry potter and the lord of the rings they normalise the occult and encourage the young to view the occult favourably. Arguably therefore the elites who control the airwaves would want to create and push those kind of stories because it is helping them to remake the world in their own image It depends what you mean by "orthodox Christian". I believe that LotR is Christian and nothing conflicts with the Bible, but of course, the bible is the ultimate authority and not the commentary of man, which is where things like the Talmud are in gross error, for inverting truths and wisdom. Regarding 'Harry Potter' there are two main schools of thought. Harry Potter uses magic as a means to get through life. The latter renounced magic and the occult, and in so doing had to rely on his skills that could only originate from within. This gave him the ability to overcome his lower self and defeat evil. Frodo does not rely on the occult. Gandalf did, but it meant he wasn't able to go as far as Frodo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RobSS said: The impact they have is entirely up to you as you're responsible for creating your own reality. no! That is moral reletavism you don't get to choose your own reality. You get to choose how you engage with this reality and that is not the same thing. one leads to truth and the other leads to delusion and mental illness Edited January 25, 2022 by Macnamara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSS Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Macnamara said: but i AM taking responsiblity for my own reality by asking deeper questions it is you who is entreating us to blindly trust in this process that these freemasons have created Where have i said you should blindly trust any process? I've never said any such thing! I actually said in the post you replied to that do actually need to take responsibility for your own reality, so I'm really puzzled by your comprehension here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, RobSS said: It depends what you mean by "orthodox Christian". I believe that LotR is Christian and nothing conflicts with the Bible, but of course, the bible is the ultimate authority and not the commentary of man, which is where things like the Talmud are in gross error, for inverting truths and wisdom. Regarding 'Harry Potter' there are two main schools of thought. Harry Potter uses magic as a means to get through life. The latter renounced magic and the occult, and in so doing had to rely on his skills that could only originate from within. This gave him the ability to overcome his lower self and defeat evil. Frodo does not rely on the occult. Gandalf did, but it meant he wasn't able to go as far as Frodo. but according to the christians you shouldn't be using magic at all! the theosophists forbade their members to engage with practical magic and a schism opened up within the hermetic order of the golden dawn over the same point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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