DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, Morpheus said: No worries mate, I'll use hypothesis going forward for absolute clarity. No worries, and when I refer to evolutionary theory, I'm using the scientifically accepted definition of theory, not the common usage. Now we are crystal clear. Thanks for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, ink said: The last 2 years proves that as false (should I get a 'fact checker' .... maybe facebook or google) Wikipedia and Richard Dawkins...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Anyway .... until there is proof that enough time has passed to have evolution via small beneficial changes (which somehow didn't just die out) .... then this chat is not really happening. So first .... Proof please of enough 'Time'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkiebee Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, Morpheus said: In your opinion I'm wrong. No im pretty sure you were wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, DarianF said: No worries, and when I refer to evolutionary theory, I'm using the scientifically accepted definition of theory, not the common usage. Now we are crystal clear. Thanks for that. No worries mate. I know it's hard sometimes to communicate and articulate our ideas and that sometimes can cause confusion. I am not attempting to create confusion on purpose, so forgive me if I've not been clear first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Pinkiebee said: No im pretty sure you were wrong. Good for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Morpheus said: Whilst we are dealing with definitions, what is herd immunity in your opinion? @DarianF In my own words, when a significant portion of a population is immune to a certain disease and therefore the disease is less likely to spread or cause serious issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkiebee Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, Morpheus said: Good for you. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Morpheus said: No worries mate. I know it's hard sometimes to communicate and articulate our ideas and that sometimes can cause confusion. I am not attempting to create confusion on purpose, so forgive me if I've not been clear first time. It's all good. That shit is bound to happen in any discussion or debate. Now I know what you mean, and you know what I mean, there should be no fundamental confusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen80 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I don't think we came from monkeys. I have read many of Ickes books and he doesn't seem to have a conclusion himself where we actually came from. There are his theories we came from Mars, the ancient astronot theories with Enlil and Enki, and the theory we are multidementional beings trapped in this hell hole on earth until we all let go of the ego and move on to a new paradise. We all have the power to make earth paradise, but we all know how powerful the ego is, especially the elites. It has driven them to insanity. Kill the ego. I haven't got a clue where to start with that idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, ink said: Anyway .... until there is proof that enough time has passed to have evolution via small beneficial changes (which somehow didn't just die out) .... then this chat is not really happening. So first .... Proof please of enough 'Time'? This is how most of the threads on the forum go mate. You have two opposing sides and no matter what is said by either direction, they'll never agree. It's amusing really, I do chuckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Morpheus said: Wikipedia and Richard Dawkins...... Again, this obsession with Dawkins. You just keep mentioning his name. I'm starting to sense some underlying tension now. If it helps, here he is in some very short shorts in 1987. Time code 7 minutes (you're welcome )... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, DarianF said: Again, this obsession with Dawkins. You just keep mentioning his name. I'm starting to sense some underlying tension now. If it helps, here he is in some very short shorts in 1987. Time code 7 minutes (you're welcome )... Because you keep posting his shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 55 minutes ago, DarianF said: Some say evolution would violate the law of thermodynamics. I'm not that good at calculations, but feel free to check these out: http://physics.gmu.edu/~roerter/EvolutionEntropy.htm Here is more about The Second Law of Thermodynamics and evolution: https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s12052-009-0195-3 Seems like conflation. The organism still is conversely extant in relation to the law of entropy. A contradiction cannot apply to a universal law can it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 minute ago, zarkov said: Seems like conflation. The organism still is conversely extant in relation to the law of entropy. A contradiction cannot apply to a universal law can it ? Hence the conflict with absolutes and hypotheses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Morpheus said: Because you keep posting his shite. I don't deny my love. It's out in the open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkiebee Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, zarkov said: Seems like conflation. The organism still is conversely extant in relation to the law of entropy. A contradiction cannot apply to a universal law can it ? Perhaps if you quote the universal law it would be clearer. I'm not sure it says what you think it says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ellen80 said: I don't think we came from monkeys. I have read many of Ickes books and he doesn't seem to have a conclusion himself where we actually came from. There are his theories we came from Mars, the ancient astronot theories with Enlil and Enki, and the theory we are multidementional beings trapped in this hell hole on earth until we all let go of the ego and move on to a new paradise. We all have the power to make earth paradise, but we all know how powerful the ego is, especially the elites. It has driven them to insanity. Kill the ego. I haven't got a clue where to start with that idea Icke has some fascinating speculations. I love his books and talks. I think it's important to throw these things out there so people can check it out and make of it what they will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, zarkov said: Seems like conflation. The organism still is conversely extant in relation to the law of entropy. A contradiction cannot apply to a universal law can it ? I tried to find a simpler explanation / answer. Hope this helps: Does evolution contradict the second law of thermodynamics? (Intermediate) http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/136-physics/general-physics/thermodynamics/816-does-evolution-contradict-the-second-law-of-thermodynamics-intermediate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen80 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, DarianF said: Icke has some fascinating speculations. I love his books and talks. I think it's important to throw these things out there so people can check it out and make of it what they will. His matrix theory is fascinating. I remember about a year ago I was walking my dog early in the morning and I had a feeling I was going to encounter a pure black cat on a journey I hadn't been before. I did. That could be pure coincidence, or maybe a glitch. Have we been here before? Who knows. The world is a mysterious place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, DarianF said: Does evolution contradict the second law of thermodynamics? Is not this universe a 'closed' system though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ellen80 said: His matrix theory is fascinating. I remember about a year ago I was walking my dog early in the morning and I had a feeling I was going to encounter a pure black cat on a journey I hadn't been before. I did. That could be pure coincidence, or maybe a glitch. Have we been here before? Who knows. The world is a mysterious place Are we living in the Matrix? God, I hope so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ink said: Is not this universe a 'closed' system though? That's for the cosmologists to argue about. Beyond me. If you're using the earth as the example, not a closed system. https://biologos.org/common-questions/does-thermodynamics-disprove-evolution Edited April 15, 2022 by DarianF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellen80 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, DarianF said: Are we living in the Matrix? God, I hope so... Hate to break the fantasy DarianF but us women don't really wear leather all the time no matter how fit we are. Sticks to the ass 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ellen80 said: Hate to break the fantasy DarianF but us women don't really wear leather all the time no matter how fit we are. Sticks to the ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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