Pinkiebee Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, DarianF said: The first replicators ( https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/pdf/S0169-5347(20)30003-3.pdf ), which led to the first life. Also, here is some discussion on the emergence of RNA: If you want a bit more of a literature review, see this publication ( specific chapter linked here: https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/11919/chapter/7 ). My god man. You have some stuff booked marked. Cheers on my list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, Pinkiebee said: My god man. You have some stuff booked marked. Cheers on my list Don't get me started. I could give you thousands lol. Hope you enjoy though. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 @Pinkiebee Regarding the Cairns-Smith hypothesis (cited by the NAP publication above - Ch. 5, p. 54), Schulman & Winfree discuss it further here: https://www.dna.caltech.edu/Papers/simple-ca-evolution2010-DNA16.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 The life condition itself is a contradiction to entropy. A close system. Yet life emerges and increases in complexity as it matures. 36 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said: Well rock and iron and a bit of lead gold etc There was no actual soup involved. Its was quite a bit later than the beginning of time But other than that good try Thanks all the same ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 43 minutes ago, DarianF said: The first replicators ( https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/pdf/S0169-5347(20)30003-3.pdf ), which led to the first life. Also, here is some discussion on the emergence of RNA: If you want a bit more of a literature review, see this publication ( specific chapter linked here: https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/11919/chapter/7 ). Yes but I still cannot build a wall no matter how well I throw stones in a pile. The wall has to be an act of intent, as does the construction of a simple cell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkiebee Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, zarkov said: Yes but I still cannot build a wall no matter how well I throw stones in a pile. The wall has to be an act of intent, as does the construction of a simple cell. I think you most probably could build a wall throwing stones. It wouldnt be very high and a bit wonky. But a wall never the less. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkiebee Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, zarkov said: The life condition itself is a contradiction to entropy. A close system. Yet life emerges and increases in complexity as it matures. Thanks all the same ;) It's just occurred to me. You havent misunderstood the second law of thermodynamics. You havent read it at all. Just picked something up off a web site and ran with it God I'm I'm slow today 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 6 hours ago, kj35 said: Nice to chat to you again Peter xx Likewise 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said: I think you most probably could build a wall throwing stones. It wouldnt be very high and a bit wonky. But a wall never the less. Just piles for my efforts ;) 16 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said: It's just occurred to me. You havent misunderstood the second law of thermodynamics. You havent read it at all. Just picked something up off a web site and ran with it I am not ignoring the fact that life violates the law of entropy for a closed system. A contradiction whether you accept it or not. For energy to exist what else has to exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkiebee Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) Just now, zarkov said: Just piles for my efforts ;) I am not ignoring the fact that life violates the law of entropy for a closed system. A contradiction whether you accept it or not. For energy to exist what else has to exist? Well nothing. Energy is the building block of the universe. energy makes up every thing else Nb there isnt a law of entropy. It's a law of thermodynamics. Nnb a pile of stones is a wall Edited April 15, 2022 by Pinkiebee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ellen80 said: Hate to break the fantasy DarianF but us women don't really wear leather all the time no matter how fit we are. Sticks to the ass Why don't you finish that statement ,, "On a hot day" ,now that's practical evolution Edited April 15, 2022 by peter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zarkov Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, Pinkiebee said: Well nothing. Energy is the building block of the universe. energy makes up every thing else If energy was all that there is, then what would the need be for intelligent structure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkiebee Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, zarkov said: If energy was all that there is, then what would the need be for intelligent structure? Energy is really all there is. Quarks would be needed for any structure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 4 hours ago, ink said: Is not this universe a 'closed' system though? I don't think so ,if it is infinite it's not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Fuck all your evolution baalshit. How does this start beating & why is all I wish to know. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 4 hours ago, ink said: This place is a narrative .... if you consider it a 'flat earth' then I suggest that you continue on your path .... by the same 'token' .... if you consider this 'place' a globe then I suggest you continue on your path! yes when I saw the ice wall mentioned ,I stood in the corner of the room hitting my head on the wall,now I understand the response to my original question regarding evidence PS I think it's round ,do I have to go too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, zarkov said: Yes but I still cannot build a wall no matter how well I throw stones in a pile. The wall has to be an act of intent, as does the construction of a simple cell. You're asking the fundamental question Darwin also asked. He didn't publish his thoughts, but he was on the right track (as evidenced in personal correspondence). Explained here ( https://youtu.be/hF1VDUsmzu0?t=1278 ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Fuck all your evolution baalshit. How does this start beating & why is all I wish to know. Evolution of the heart from bacteria to man https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16093481/ The mammalian heart (subsection): https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.12687 Evolutionary origins of the blood vascular system and endothelium https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5378490/ That should get you started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 @oddsnsods It's a love story. But here's your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Pinkiebee said: It's just occurred to me. You havent misunderstood the second law of thermodynamics. You havent read it at all. Just picked something up off a web site and ran with it God I'm I'm slow today It's a similar story for the evolution of vision (in humans and other creatures). They don't read the explantions when they ask the famous eye question. Just one example of course. Evolution of the Eye by Dan E. Nilsson Dan-Eric Nilsson - The eye and the visual system: the visual reality of animals The Evolution of Vision - Professor William Ayliffe Trilobite eyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, DarianF said: Evolution of the heart from bacteria to man https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16093481/ The mammalian heart (subsection): https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.12687 Evolutionary origins of the blood vascular system and endothelium https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5378490/ That should get you started. Thats some soulless fact checking bullshit & doesnt explain my question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, oddsnsods said: Thats some soulless fact checking bullshit & doesnt explain my question. If you think the heart just magically came out of nowhere, then you're missing the point. It was a long process. And these are not fact checking articles, they are science papers which explain your exact question. There are thousands more. Beyond that, I can't help you. The evolutionary evidence is there. Whether you read it or not is up to you. Edited April 15, 2022 by DarianF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddsnsods Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, DarianF said: If you think the heart just magically came out of nowhere, then you're missing the point. It was a long process. And these are not fact checking articles, they are science papers which explain your exact question. There are thousands more. Beyond that, I can't help you. The evolutionary evidence is there. Whether you read it or not is up to you. You cant even comprehend the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 52 minutes ago, zarkov said: If energy was all that there is, then what would the need be for intelligent structure? Need for intelligent structure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkiebee Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 Just now, DarianF said: Need for intelligent structure? I think its long hand for a person 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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