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2 minutes ago, novymir said:

We're all Stars, that left TheSun(Son). We all go back eventually, when we've had enough of this "experiment".

 

Wrong, when He says it's time to go, so buckle up.

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6 minutes ago, novymir said:

That's the funny thing about Truth....they complain, and complain, and when it shows up,,,, they turn away from It.. try to stamp It out, try to kill It.....

 

I don't see anything wrong in simply acknowledging there's a conflict, and I don't think acknowledging it exists, is denying the truth. In denying the conflict, it may actually prevent one from integrating aspects from the shadow self, leading to a false sense that one is above it all.

 

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2 hours ago, bobb said:

 

Ever heard of sophia the sexbot, umm now what were you on about, wheat and tares was it, wheat and chaff was it.

 

I vaguely recall seeing publicity about that robot but didn't know the United Nations was giving it so much status. Just goes to show which side they're on, certainly not the wheat! Sophia is obviously the sister of the Maschinenmensch in the Metropolis film...

 

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9 hours ago, bobb said:

 

Why, you made plans or something?🤔

I got my house in order as best I can, so it don't bother me, but there will be many who are going to have a rude awakening so I made plans for this too, if a slap round the face don't calm em down, think airplane scene, then I am going to bash their brains in, yes i'm nice sometimes🙂

 

That airplane scene is a perfect metaphor for the task ahead... do we have clearance yet, to land?

 

 

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5 hours ago, pi3141 said:

I do not believe Jesus taught there would be an End Time for all mankind beyond his lifetime

That's not what "End Time" means. The End Time does not refer to the end of humankind but to the end of this world.

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13 hours ago, PatriotGirl said:

jesus said he'd return.

 

Hi PatriotGirl, here's a quote from a book I read, you might find it interesting to see where these ideas come from.

 

From 'Mystery Man Of The Bible - Hilton Hotema'

 

Chapter 9 - Second Coming Of Christ

 

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In 1922 there was published the sixth edition of a work titled 'The Second Coming Of Christ'. The author was one Clarence Larkin, and he began with the statement:

 

'There is no fact in history more clearly established than the fact of the 'First Coming' of Christ. But as his first coming did not fulfill all the prophecies associated with His 'Coming' it is evident that there must be another 'Coming' to completely fulfill them'

 

Of course many who have investigated the matter know that there is not a scrap of reliable evidence on earth to show that such a a man ever lived as the gospel Jesus.

 

Christ's second coming is based on this statement which the writers of the New Testament put into the mouth of their hero:

 

'In my Fathers house are many mansions, if it were not so; I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go an prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also' (Jn 14:2,3)

 

This second coming is also mentioned in Acts in these words:

 

'Ye man of Galilee, why stand ye gazing into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven' (Acts. 1:11).

 

When Constantine founded the Roman State Church in the 4th Century, the fables of the nature gods of the Egyptians were literalized in the New Testament, and Constantine 'decreed as to how the NT record should be worded,' wrote Livingston (Book Of David p140)

 

So the Church fathers adopted the fable of Osiris, worked it over, and it became that part of the New Testament, the name of Osiris being deleted and that of Jesus substituted, and the allegory distorted to make the story of the Sun toil and travels appear as those of a man.

 

But in preparing the N.T., the compilers were clever enough to make it contain dual messages, one for the esoteric and one for the exoteric, weaving their narratives around the symbolism of antiquity.

 

In this particular case they wove their story around the symbolism of the zodiac, the ancient Wheel of Life.

The 'Many mansions' in my fathers house are the twelve houses (mansions) of the Zodiac.

 

The gospel Jesus here represents the head sign of the Zodiac, -- Aries, Ram, an old Lamb, -- the lamb of God (Jn. 1:36).

When Jesus has twelve apostles, he represents the Sun of God, and the apostles represent the twelve 'mansions' of the Zodiac. But when he is the head sign of the Zodiac, he has only eleven apostles. One had to be disposed of to make a place for him, and the church fathers very cleverly got rid og Judas, all of which is understood by the esoteric.

 

I will Come Again

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Now for Christs second coming: In its great circuit, the Earth passes thru the range of a constellation, represented by a cycle of 2,160 years. In each Grand Cycle of 25,880 years the Earth passes through all Twelve Mansions of the Zodiac.

This means that every 25,880 years this Christ )Aries) comes, and reigns each time for 2,160 years. Thus the Biblical statement is true when properly understood.

 

The Earth entered Aries, in 2,432 B.C. From that time until 276 B.C. the Ram (Lamb) was the object of adoration by the ancients when, in its turn, it opened the equinox for 2,160 years, --

 

'To deliver the world from the wintery reign of cold, barrenness and darkness' as the ancients termed it in their annual celebration, which event the church adopted and Christ-matized.

 

During those centuries the people living north of the equator called Aries 'the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world' (Jn 1.29)

 

That is the correct interpretation of the statement, 'I will come again' The Lamb comes every 25,880 years, and each time reigns 2,160 years. 

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How can we substantiate these ideas? Well the FACT of the matter is Jesus was NOT called Jesus and he was NOT born on the 25th December.

 

It is accepted by scholars that Jesus was not called Jesus and now they say he was called 'Yeshua' Why? Because that was a popular name of the time so it a good guess.

 

Secondly Jesus was not born on the 25th December because the Shepherds would not be out in mid winter as its to cold. So either the Bible is wrong when it says the Shepherds were told of the coming or Jesus was not born on the 25th December. Biblical scholars agree with this an offer other dates as possible alternatives.

 

When Jesus' birth was prophesized the Angel instructed Mary to call Jesus Immanuel, so how did we get from Immanuel to Jesus and Yeshua? Clearly there is a discrepancy.

 

So Christians worship their saviour under the wrong name and celebrate his birthday on the wrong date! These are facts, so now we have to explain why they are so.

 

The 25th December IS the Winter Solstice, its when the Sun begins to rise again and signals the return to warmer weather.

 

The name Jesus reduces to mean 'God of Fire' the god of fire in the Pagan world was the Sun. The name Jesus Christ is a corruption of English and Latin. The 'US' designates Latin, similarly in the Greek Jesus is spelt Iesous, again, the 'OUS' designates Greek. Hence to Anglicize Jesus we remove the 'US' and are left with Jes. In the Greek we can remove the 'OUS' and again are left with Ies. What do these words mean? Well in the case of Jes the 'J' is an English invention and is not original, it would again have been written 'Ies' in the original Latin, Greek or Hebrew.

 

So what does 'Ies' mean - 'I' is the symbol for God in Greek and Hebrew and 'es' is Phoenician for 'Fire' Hence 'Ies' means 'God of Fire' - the Sun.

 

Incidentally according to John Allegro the name 'Yeshua' in the original Sumerian means 'Semen that saves' indicating the name derives from a fertility cult and Christianity is charged with being partly derived from Solar and Fertility cults of the ancient worlds.

 

Hence both his name and his birth date according to the Christian beliefs both refer to the Sun. Hence it can be seen that the Christian Jesus is, in part, the personification of the Sun and therefore we must read 'SOME' of the Biblical verses with an Astrotheological view.

 

Prove me wrong. I'm willing to be shown my error, I'm here to test my theories, see if they stand up.

Explain to me why Christians celebrate the birth of their saviour on the wrong date which happens to be the winter solstice, out of the 365 days they could have picked, why did they pick that one? And explain to me why the Christians don't know the name of their saviour and why they chose Jesus? And what was His real name?

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5 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Hi PatriotGirl, here's a quote from a book I read, you might find it interesting to see where these ideas come from.

 

From 'Mystery Man Of The Bible - Hilton Hotema'

 

Chapter 9 - Second Coming Of Christ

 

P48
In 1922 there was published the sixth edition of a work titled 'The Second Coming Of Christ'. The author was one Clarence Larkin, and he began with the statement:

 

'There is no fact in history more clearly established than the fact of the 'First Coming' of Christ. But as his first coming did not fulfill all the prophecies associated with His 'Coming' it is evident that there must be another 'Coming' to completely fulfill them'

 

Of course many who have investigated the matter know that there is not a scrap of reliable evidence on earth to show that such a a man ever lived as the gospel Jesus.

 

Christ's second coming is based on this statement which the writers of the New Testament put into the mouth of their hero:

 

'In my Fathers house are many mansions, if it were not so; I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go an prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also' (Jn 14:2,3)

 

This second coming is also mentioned in Acts in these words:

 

'Ye man of Galilee, why stand ye gazing into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven' (Acts. 1:11).

 

When Constantine founded the Roman State Church in the 4th Century, the fables of the nature gods of the Egyptians were literalized in the New Testament, and Constantine 'decreed as to how the NT record should be worded,' wrote Livingston (Book Of David p140)

 

So the Church fathers adopted the fable of Osiris, worked it over, and it became that part of the New Testament, the name of Osiris being deleted and that of Jesus substituted, and the allegory distorted to make the story of the Sun toil and travels appear as those of a man.

 

But in preparing the N.T., the compilers were clever enough to make it contain dual messages, one for the esoteric and one for the exoteric, weaving their narratives around the symbolism of antiquity.

 

In this particular case they wove their story around the symbolism of the zodiac, the ancient Wheel of Life.

The 'Many mansions' in my fathers house are the twelve houses (mansions) of the Zodiac.

 

The gospel Jesus here represents the head sign of the Zodiac, -- Aries, Ram, an old Lamb, -- the lamb of God (Jn. 1:36).

When Jesus has twelve apostles, he represents the Sun of God, and the apostles represent the twelve 'mansions' of the Zodiac. But when he is the head sign of the Zodiac, he has only eleven apostles. One had to be disposed of to make a place for him, and the church fathers very cleverly got rid og Judas, all of which is understood by the esoteric.

 

I will Come Again

P49
Now for Christs second coming: In its great circuit, the Earth passes thru the range of a constellation, represented by a cycle of 2,160 years. In each Grand Cycle of 25,880 years the Earth passes through all Twelve Mansions of the Zodiac.

This means that every 25,880 years this Christ )Aries) comes, and reigns each time for 2,160 years. Thus the Biblical statement is true when properly understood.

 

The Earth entered Aries, in 2,432 B.C. From that time until 276 B.C. the Ram (Lamb) was the object of adoration by the ancients when, in its turn, it opened the equinox for 2,160 years, --

 

'To deliver the world from the wintery reign of cold, barrenness and darkness' as the ancients termed it in their annual celebration, which event the church adopted and Christ-matized.

 

During those centuries the people living north of the equator called Aries 'the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world' (Jn 1.29)

 

That is the correct interpretation of the statement, 'I will come again' The Lamb comes every 25,880 years, and each time reigns 2,160 years. 

 

That author doesn't know what he's talking about if he's basing his claim that the Second Coming can only be found in the book of John and the book of Acts. Christ's second coming is mentioned in all four  Gospels, including the books of Matthew and of Mark, so that rules out any Roman interference. The Second Coming is also attested to in the first book of Thessalonians, the second book of Peter, and the book of Revelation. Regarding astrology... astrological elements do exist in the Bible, but that's hardily surprising because God created not only the Earth, but also the Heavens, so it's hardly surprising that the intelligence and the glory of the cosmos is reflected in the Bible, but that doesn't mean to say the Bible is based on astrology. People who believe aspects of the Bible are based on astrology are placing the cart before the horse. Jesus Christ is eternal. He was around long before the solar system came into existence, let alone astrology!

 

For many Jesus Christ will come like a thief in the night. Therefore, stay awake!

 

 

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6 hours ago, pi3141 said:

How can we substantiate these ideas? Well the FACT of the matter is Jesus was NOT called Jesus and he was NOT born on the 25th December.

 

It is accepted by scholars that Jesus was not called Jesus and now they say he was called 'Yeshua' Why? Because that was a popular name of the time so it a good guess.

 

Secondly Jesus was not born on the 25th December because the Shepherds would not be out in mid winter as its to cold. So either the Bible is wrong when it says the Shepherds were told of the coming or Jesus was not born on the 25th December. Biblical scholars agree with this an offer other dates as possible alternatives.

 

When Jesus' birth was prophesized the Angel instructed Mary to call Jesus Immanuel, so how did we get from Immanuel to Jesus and Yeshua? Clearly there is a discrepancy.

 

So Christians worship their saviour under the wrong name and celebrate his birthday on the wrong date! These are facts, so now we have to explain why they are so.

 

The 25th December IS the Winter Solstice, its when the Sun begins to rise again and signals the return to warmer weather.

 

The name Jesus reduces to mean 'God of Fire' the god of fire in the Pagan world was the Sun. The name Jesus Christ is a corruption of English and Latin. The 'US' designates Latin, similarly in the Greek Jesus is spelt Iesous, again, the 'OUS' designates Greek. Hence to Anglicize Jesus we remove the 'US' and are left with Jes. In the Greek we can remove the 'OUS' and again are left with Ies. What do these words mean? Well in the case of Jes the 'J' is an English invention and is not original, it would again have been written 'Ies' in the original Latin, Greek or Hebrew.

 

So what does 'Ies' mean - 'I' is the symbol for God in Greek and Hebrew and 'es' is Phoenician for 'Fire' Hence 'Ies' means 'God of Fire' - the Sun.

 

Incidentally according to John Allegro the name 'Yeshua' in the original Sumerian means 'Semen that saves' indicating the name derives from a fertility cult and Christianity is charged with being partly derived from Solar and Fertility cults of the ancient worlds.

 

Hence both his name and his birth date according to the Christian beliefs both refer to the Sun. Hence it can be seen that the Christian Jesus is, in part, the personification of the Sun and therefore we must read 'SOME' of the Biblical verses with an Astrotheological view.

 

Prove me wrong. I'm willing to be shown my error, I'm here to test my theories, see if they stand up.

Explain to me why Christians celebrate the birth of their saviour on the wrong date which happens to be the winter solstice, out of the 365 days they could have picked, why did they pick that one? And explain to me why the Christians don't know the name of their saviour and why they chose Jesus? And what was His real name?

 

I don't know why you keep going on about Jesus not being born on 25th December. You should know by now that a lot of Christians, especially on this forum, understand fully well that Jesus Christ wasn't born on the 25th December, and that associating Christ with that date is related Pagan worship of the creation, rather than the Creator.

 

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16 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

I vaguely recall seeing publicity about that robot but didn't know the United Nations was giving it so much status. Just goes to show which side they're on, certainly not the wheat! Sophia is obviously the sister of the Maschinenmensch in the Metropolis film...

 

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1927 this movie was made, still gives me the creeps, I would like to dig deeper how it came about, stunning image this robss, just enough creepiness to make it fascinating, and Leonardo da Vinci to thank.

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8 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Hi PatriotGirl, here's a quote from a book I read, you might find it interesting to see where these ideas come from.

 

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8 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Secondly Jesus was not born on the 25th December because the Shepherds would not be out in mid winter as its to cold. So either the Bible is wrong when it says the Shepherds were told of the coming or Jesus was not born on the 25th December. Biblical scholars agree with this an offer other dates as possible alternatives.

 

I agree with this statement you made, Jesus was born in September & not on December 25th. Dec 25th is a pagan holiday and what do most pagans worship ? The Sun or Saturn. 

 

 

Jeremiah 10-3

 

 For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut down a tree from the forest; it is shaped with a chisel by the hands of a craftsman. They adorn it with silver and gold and fasten it with hammer and nails, so that it will not totter.…

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7 minutes ago, alexa said:

For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut down a tree from the forest; it is shaped with a chisel by the hands of a craftsman. They adorn it with silver and gold and fasten it with hammer and nails, so that it will not totter.…

 

And then they go and stick some bloke on it who was minding his own business, just for authenticity sake......

Have I called this place Planet Stupid before, hmmmm

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2 hours ago, RobSS said:

I don't know why you keep going on about Jesus not being born on 25th December. You should know by now that a lot of Christians, especially on this forum, understand fully well that Jesus Christ wasn't born on the 25th December, and that associating Christ with that date is related Pagan worship of the creation, rather than the Creator.

 

 

Very good.

 

So as we accept Paganism is in the Bible shouldn't we be asking - 'How much?' and 'What does it mean?' and 'why is it there?'

 

I think your correct that some Pagan beliefs worshipped or perhaps just revered the Sun and other natural events as symbolic of Gods power or creative abilities.

 

Not all Paganism was bad.

 

'Let there be light'

 

The Sun was Gods first creation.

 

Genesis is based on Pagan writings.

 

Glad we agree in some part.

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1 hour ago, PatriotGirl said:

I stopped reading at the 3rd paragraph.

 

Thats a shame, it would broaden your horizons, even from the point of view you would know the other side of the argument so to speak.

 

(Unless you already know it)

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Just now, pi3141 said:

 

Very good.

 

So as we accept Paganism is in the Bible shouldn't we be asking - 'How much?' and 'What does it mean?' and 'why is it there?'

 

I think your correct that some Pagan beliefs worshipped or perhaps just revered the Sun and other natural events as symbolic of Gods power or creative abilities.

 

Not all Paganism was bad.

 

'Let there be light'

 

The Sun was Gods first creation.

 

Genesis is based on Pagan writings.

 

Glad we agree in some part.

 

There's absolutely nothing in the Bible that says Christ was born on December 25, and not only that, there's also nothing in the Bible that says Christ's birthday should be celebrated. In fact, there's nothing in the Bible that suggests anyone's birthday should be celebrated. The idea of celebrating birthdays is a Pagan custom.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, alexa said:

I agree with this statement you made, Jesus was born in September & not on December 25th. Dec 25th is a pagan holiday and what do most pagans worship ? The Sun or Saturn. 

 

Thank you.

 

So you must agree that there is some Pagan mythology interwoven with the Biblical narrative.

 

That doesn't negate it in my view and trying to understand which bits are pagan and which bits are the real teachings of Jesus the Christ, strengthens my faith and takes me closer to the truth and the real message.

 

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I think they mainly worship the Sun but I agree other planets including Saturn are in there. Revering the Sun as a symbol of God, the Creator, its power, is ok in my eyes. The Sun was God's first creation and it supports all life on this world. 

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4 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 The idea of celebrating birthdays is a Pagan custom.

 

As is going to a church, on a specific day, deferring to a priest, calling him Fathef, singing, chanting, lighting candles, kneeling to pray, and most other rituals performed in a Christian church. All pagan.

 

Holy communion is ritualized canabalism.

 

Worshipping on the day of the Sun, in a building orientated East to West, is worshipping the Sun.

 

Celebrating the Winter Solstice is worshipping the Sun. Harvest festivsl is worshipping the Suns power.

 

Easter is worshipping the Suns progress into the regenerative stage of the Earth. Its Solar and Fertility worshio - Paganism

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Just now, pi3141 said:

 

As is going to a church, on a specific day, deferring to a priest, calling him Fathef, singing, chanting, lighting candles, kneeling to pray, and most other rituals performed in a Christian church. All pagan.

 

Worshipping on the day of the Sun, in a building orientated East to West, is worshipping the Sun.

 

Celebrating the Winter Solstice is worshipping the Sun. Harvest festivsl is worshipping the Suns power.

 

Easter is worshipping the Suns progress into the regenerative stage of the Earth. Its Solar and Fertility worshio - Paganism

 

But you already know that there are many Christians who don't use churches and understand that the idea of a church is Pagan. You're obviously not keeping up with modern reality!

 

Just now, pi3141 said:

Holy communion is ritualized canabalism.

 

The taking of the bread and wine should not be taken literally. Many Christians see the custom as being symbolic, but you can't get over the fact there are different types of Christian. Your prejudice is ingrained. You've become indoctrinated.

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Your prejudice is ingrained. You've become indoctrinated.

 

My prejudice is entirely focussed on the Roman adulteration of the original texts. I only seek to know the real teachings of Christ.

 

I hold that the truth is there in the Bible, just that you need to dismiss the window dressing, the paganism and the Roman influences.

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6 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Thank you.

 

So you must agree that there is some Pagan mythology interwoven with the Biblical narrative.

 

That doesn't negate it in my view and trying to understand which bits are pagan and which bits are the real teachings of Jesus the Christ, strengthens my faith and takes me closer to the truth and the real message.

 

I take the Bible as the literal truth, the word of God. The only bits of paganism I find in the Bible is where there is mention of Satan or the unrighteous.

 

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Just now, pi3141 said:

 

My prejudice is entirely focussed on the Roman adulteration of the original texts.

I only seek to know the real teachings of Christ.

 

I hold that the truth is there in the Bible, just that you need to dismiss the window dressing, the paganism and the Roman influences.

 

You only cherry pick what you want to believe, and as I've already shown, Christ's Second Coming has nothing to do with Paganism or Roman influences.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, PatriotGirl said:

I stopped reading at the 3rd paragraph.

 

If you'd carried on reading, do you think may have learned something?

 

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Synchronicity.

 

Just watching 'Ancient Aliens - The Pharaoh's Curse' on Blaze and some Egyptologist said that the Egyptian pharaoh Thutmose may have been Moses and so the Egyptian religion of 'One God, with no image' could have been given to the Israelite's by the Egyptian Pharaoh.

 

If thats true then it shows Christianity is an extension of the Pagan Egyptian Mystery religions as Rev Robert Taylor and others contend.

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