The Origin of 'Sin'

[Firebird]

Icke says that this reality we perceive is only a fraction of what is out there. To my knowledge he has never advocated asceticism as a solution.

When I listen to his spiritual views it doesn't sound like the stuff on here. There's no ''beam me up Scotty'' theme nor any ''we need to escape our physical existence'' or ''we need to submit to Jesus the saviour'' there. He does say it's a temporary experience and that there's much more out there.

 

It's not like what you post here.

Edited February 11, 2022 by Firebird

[78ast78dgyad]

On 2/11/2022 at 8:13 AM, Firebird said:

Icke says that this reality we perceive is only a fraction of what is out there. To my knowledge he has never advocated asceticism as a solution.

When I listen to his spiritual views it doesn't sound like the stuff on here. There's no ''beam me up Scotty'' theme nor any ''we need to escape our physical existence'' or ''we need to submit to Jesus the saviour'' there. He does say it's a temporary experience and that there's much more out there.

 

It's not like what you post here.

 

There is a wall between you and real reality

 

The wall is controlled by the serotonin receptors in the stomach lining

 

LSD, some pharmaceutical drugs and hallugicgenics work by reducing serotonin, and thus reducing the wall.

When the wall is removed, you see reality differently with new ideas and from a different perspective.

 

 

[PH196]

On 2/11/2022 at 3:13 AM, Firebird said:

Icke says that this reality we perceive is only a fraction of what is out there. To my knowledge he has never advocated asceticism as a solution.

When I listen to his spiritual views it doesn't sound like the stuff on here. There's no ''beam me up Scotty'' theme nor any ''we need to escape our physical existence'' or ''we need to submit to Jesus the saviour'' there. He does say it's a temporary experience and that there's much more out there.

 

It's not like what you post here.

Here is a direct quote from his book Phantom Self: 

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The Demiurge/Archons had to achieve three things: ‘Download’ a copy of Golden Age reality/simulation; lower its frequency; and then retune the human body-computer vehicle to that frequency. This is where genetic manipulation or ‘interbreeding’ came in. Genetic manipulation infected the human Body-Mind with the virus, which has then been replicated through the generations. All of which fits with themes of the ‘Fall of Man’ and humans being ‘born’ with ‘original sin’ or ‘ancestral sin’ (Archon virus). Sin was a major pre-Islamic Mesopotamian god in Akkad, Assyria and Babylonia."

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The Archon hijack is not static in that the deed was done and then everything stayed the same. We had the original hijack of human perception symbolised by the Garden of Eden, but that was only the start of the plan. Bad copy reality was at first a bad copy of something abundant and beautiful. All along the idea has been to increase the depth of human programming and distort and invert the bad copy to the point where it became basically a holographic and frequency mirror of the Archon realm. Computer viruses don’t infiltrate an operating system and stop. They go on expanding and deepening control until the system reflects the virus in totality, and the Archon self-aware virus is doing the same to our simulated reality. Total human control and inversion of the bad copy have reached an advanced

advanced stage but they’re not there yet. If enough Phantom Selves pop their perception bubbles and open to Infinite Awareness the plan would be scuppered big time."

 

What I am doing is taking a needle and popping your phantom self bubble by telling you what this 'phantom self' is, quoting Christ: 

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."

 

Icke is saying (albeit in different terms) what Christ is: man made in God's image has been 'tuned into' a fake reality or matrix that was created by this archontic force, and the means whereby mortal man is propagated in this false matrix is transmitted genetically- 'original sin' - lust, which is the mind of the fallen angels, and is death. Sex-lust is their mind manifested in your consciousness, it is the 'serpent's mind' or the 'babbler' that does all the talking to the soul in this reality, and causes confusion and strife.

 

In summary: You don't have to like what I am saying, yet it is unfortunately true. There is an actual Devil who is an actual adversary, and Jesus Christ was manifested to redeem humanity from this fallen state. The Devil is a fallen angel spirit, and the chief of those angel spirits who were expelled from 'heaven' (a spiritual state of consciousness that has a connection to God) for rebellion against God. We aren't talking human warfare or human wars here, we are talking 'clashes' among infinte domains (spirit beings) - battles so intense the multiverse and the heavens were set ablaze, that is what 'revolt against God' looks like.

 

Revelation 12:1

The War in Heaven

7And there was a great battle in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon fought, and his angels. 8And they prevailed not: neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, who seduceth the whole world. And he was cast unto the earth: and his angels were thrown down with him.

 

2 Peter 2:4 

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.

 

 

Then will He say to those at His left, "'Begone from me, with the curse resting upon you, into the Fire of the Ages, which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels."

 

Meaning, there is no 'going back' for the fallen angels, they essentially became not-God, i.e an inversion of everything when they 'fell', their mental-spiritual state became the opposite of all that God is and there was no going back. Man in this fallen state is their child, and died as a result. Death is the absence of God (life), and Christ overcame death and redeemed mankind.

[PH196]

On 2/13/2022 at 6:30 PM, 78ast78dgyad said:

 

There is a wall between you and real reality

 

The wall is controlled by the serotonin receptors in the stomach lining

 

LSD, some pharmaceutical drugs and hallugicgenics work by reducing serotonin, and thus reducing the wall.

When the wall is removed, you see reality differently with new ideas and from a different perspective.

 

 

read my recent reply, does this not make any sense? If my ideas are flawed then perhaps I should reconsider what I am saying.

Edited February 15, 2022 by PH196

[PH196]

On 2/11/2022 at 3:13 AM, Firebird said:

Icke says that this reality we perceive is only a fraction of what is out there. To my knowledge he has never advocated asceticism as a solution.

When I listen to his spiritual views it doesn't sound like the stuff on here. There's no ''beam me up Scotty'' theme nor any ''we need to escape our physical existence'' or ''we need to submit to Jesus the saviour'' there. He does say it's a temporary experience and that there's much more out there.

 

It's not like what you post here.

He goes on to say:

"Within the Matrix only those with some connection to beyond-the-Matrix awareness can make genuine choices and free decisions. Everyone else is following the program under the delusion that the thoughts and urgings which dictate their choices and decisions originate in their own mind."

 

Yes, and what I am saying is that most of these thoughts are simply the genetic program running, which has been infiltrated by the archon virus. I can see beyond the program because I am like Neo in the matrix...thats not a pat on the back, it just is what it is.

[Firebird]

4 hours ago, PH196 said:

What I am doing is taking a needle and popping your phantom self bubble by telling you what this 'phantom self' is, quoting Christ: 
 

 

You sound like a preacher actively spreading his gospel. ''I'm here to tell you what you are, I'm here to offer you the solution to all life's problems''.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Firebird

[PH196]

6 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

You sound like a preacher actively spreading his gospel. ''I'm here to tell you what you are, I'm here to offer you the solution to all life's problems''.

 

 

Ok

[78ast78dgyad]

12 hours ago, PH196 said:

read my recent reply, does this not make any sense? If my ideas are flawed then perhaps I should reconsider what I am saying.

 

I was going off on a tangent

[PH196]

9 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

You sound like a preacher actively spreading his gospel. ''I'm here to tell you what you are, I'm here to offer you the solution to all life's problems''.

 

 

Why is citing Jesus somehow not allowed? Its apparent that Jesus is an obvious trigger for you.

[Oakwise]

On 2/9/2022 at 4:29 PM, PH196 said:

It's not dogmatic, what I am preaching is the same thing the Buddha taught: to overcome all desire 

 

 

You're desiring to overcome desire? 

[peter]

5 hours ago, Oakwise said:

 

You're desiring to overcome desire? 

yes but it's obvious that PH196 desires to change everyone's spiritual thinking so that they are in sink with his/hers,and that's an obvious desire that this person just can't overcome so it looks like the devil is still hard at work

[PH196]

1 hour ago, peter said:

yes but it's obvious that PH196 desires to change everyone's spiritual thinking so that they are in sink with his/hers,and that's an obvious desire that this person just can't overcome so it looks like the devil is still hard at work

Where did I say I desire to change your thinking? Not even Jesus could change your thinking.

 

42Jesus told them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, because I have come to you from God. I am not here on my own, but he sent me. 43Why can’t you understand what I am saying? It’s because you can’t even hear me!44For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45So when I tell the truth, you just naturally don’t believe me! 46Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47Anyone who belongs to God listens gladly to the words of God. But you don’t listen because you don’t belong to God.”

48The people retorted, “You Samaritan devil! Didn’t we say all along that you were possessed by a demon?”

49“No,” Jesus said, “I have no demon in me. For I honor my Father—and you dishonor me. 50And though I have no wish to glorify myself, God is going to glorify me. He is the true judge. 

[Campion]

On 2/18/2022 at 9:54 AM, Oakwise said:

You're desiring to overcome desire? 

Ha ha I like it  this is a theme I came across in Buddhism too. The passion with which some folks express their religious ideas of asceticism actually reveals the paradox inherent in deep spirituality. Speaking from the point of view of a separate self is often paradoxical because it's self-referencing. 

 

My take on this general subject (I've not had time to read the whole thread yet), is that feelings like lust, anger, fear, excitement are purely natural biological processes (shared with animals too) which are ingrained in our brain's neural networks, limbic and hormonal systems. Survival systems in other words.  It becomes "sinful" when the ego-thought tries to claim ownership of all this as mine, and gets greedy and selfish. Satan is therefore a symbolic personification of this illusory sense of separateness. Feeling guilty for being sinful and trying to control myself is all the more running on this hamster wheel of the self trying to control itself.  

Edited February 19, 2022 by Campion

[Firebird]

On 2/15/2022 at 6:39 PM, PH196 said:

Why is citing Jesus somehow not allowed? Its apparent that Jesus is an obvious trigger for you.

 

Nobody is saying it's not allowed.

Looks like disagreement with your religion is triggering you.

 

As for triggers...... all of religion is triggering because it is about enslaving humanity and creating all sorts of limitations and rulebooks.

This belief that natural behaviour is ''bad'', even a desire to sleep, drink water, or do something positive, makes no sense.

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by Firebird

[PH196]

On 2/19/2022 at 7:23 AM, Campion said:

Ha ha I like it  this is a theme I came across in Buddhism too. The passion with which some folks express their religious ideas of asceticism actually reveals the paradox inherent in deep spirituality. Speaking from the point of view of a separate self is often paradoxical because it's self-referencing. 

 

My take on this general subject (I've not had time to read the whole thread yet), is that feelings like lust, anger, fear, excitement are purely natural biological processes (shared with animals too) which are ingrained in our brain's neural networks, limbic and hormonal systems. Survival systems in other words.  It becomes "sinful" when the ego-thought tries to claim ownership of all this as mine, and gets greedy and selfish. Satan is therefore a symbolic personification of this illusory sense of separateness. Feeling guilty for being sinful and trying to control myself is all the more running on this hamster wheel of the self trying to control itself.  

ok

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by PH196

[PH196]

6 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

Nobody is saying it's not allowed.

Looks like disagreement with your religion is triggering you.

 

As for triggers...... all of religion is triggering because it is about enslaving humanity and creating all sorts of limitations and rulebooks.

This belief that natural behaviour is ''bad'', even a desire to sleep, drink water, or do something positive, makes no sense.

 

ok

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by PH196

[peter]

On 2/19/2022 at 3:27 AM, PH196 said:

42Jesus told them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, because I have come to you from God. I am not here on my own, but he sent me. 43Why can’t you understand what I am saying? It’s because you can’t even hear me!44For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45So when I tell the truth, you just naturally don’t believe me! 46Which of you can truthfully accuse me of sin? And since I am telling you the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47Anyone who belongs to God listens gladly to the words of God. But you don’t listen because you don’t belong to God.”

48The people retorted, “You Samaritan devil! Didn’t we say all along that you were possessed by a demon?”

49“No,” Jesus said, “I have no demon in me. For I honor my Father—and you dishonor me. 50And though I have no wish to glorify myself, God is going to glorify me. He is the true judge. 

There you go quoting stuff again, were these words written by god or Jesus, no they were written by man at least between one and three generations after the fact and since alexa was kind enough to inadvertently supply me with this lovely little section (Romans 3-4 Let God be found true, but every man a liar;) that casts doubt  on the integrity of the passages you so fondly quote and at the very least accuracy due to the time it has taken between so called events  and  written down for posterity 

 

[PH196]

3 hours ago, peter said:

There you go quoting stuff again, were these words written by god or Jesus, no they were written by man at least between one and three generations after the fact and since alexa was kind enough to inadvertently supply me with this lovely little section (Romans 3-4 Let God be found true, but every man a liar;) that casts doubt  on the integrity of the passages you so fondly quote and at the very least accuracy due to the time it has taken between so called events  and  written down for posterity 

 

ok

[KingKitty]

Most people think of the classic seven "deadly" sins when we think of sins.

 

Pride seems a bit unfair. It's not bad to feel good about a job well done, but apparently you get to go to hell with murderers for showing off your model airplane.

 

Basically, a set of natural human attributes that can make you a real ass-hole if you let them get out of hand. But, to be sentenced to eternal Hell for exhibiting such qualities seems a bit harsh. 

 

The Seven Sins

 

In the fourth century, a Christian monk named Evagrius Ponticus wrote down what’s known as the “eight evil thoughts”: gluttony, lust, avarice, anger, sloth, sadness, vainglory and pride.

 

Evagrius wasn’t writing for a general audience. As an ascetic monk in the Eastern Christian church, he was writing to other monks about how these eight thoughts could interfere with their spiritual practice. Evagrius’ student, John Cassian, brought these ideas to the Western church, where they were translated from Greek to Latin.

 

Cassian had also lived in the Egyptian deserts, and it was his personal observations that singled out the seven particular sins as being stumbling blocks to people's spiritual growth. Cassian advocated the seven vices could be classified by the virtues they oppose.

 

St. Benedict, an associate of Cassian, advocated them during his rule in the sixth century as essential sins to avoid if people were to get along properly.

 

St. Gregory "the Great" and "doctor of the church" advocated avoidance of the seven sins near the end of the sixth century.

 

The Seven Sins have varied over the years, with somewhat interchangeable terms. For example, anger was originally defined as wrath. Indeed, the original list of seven was probably: pride, avarice, envy, wrath, lust, gluttony and sloth or acedia (which is defined depression or a lack of zeal).

 

Dante's "Inferno" elevated the seven sins to world-wide fame and coined them as deadly, instead of just capital sins or vices. Written by Dante Alighieri, sometime between 1308 and his death in 1321, this poem was also known as the "Divine Comedy."

[78ast78dgyad]

On 12/26/2021 at 8:23 PM, PH196 said:

Sex-lust is the dividing line between Heaven and Hell--Life and Death--the Spiritual and Material worlds. Without sex-lust, there are not any sin and death. There is no lust in the consciousness of the Divine Mind and Godhead. 

 

All that is on the other side of the line of sex-lust in thought, mind and consciousness are God's ideas and thoughts and mind, and is life. All that is on this side of the line of sex-lust in thought, ideas, mind and consciousness is of the Mind of the Serpent (sex-lust--the Devil), and is sin and death. On the other side of the line of sex-lust in thought, all is Holy and Perfect--God's ideas. On this side of the line all is carnal and sensual--unholy and imperfect--the serpent's ideas--sex-lust thoughts and death.

 

There is no sex-lust in the consciousness of God's Mind and Being, and the Devil abode not in the consciousness of God's Mind and Being, as Spirit and Life; and for having conceived sex-lust in consciousness, was cast out of God's mind into the consciousness of the mind of sex-lust of the flesh--into the earth and death. Jesus said, "He was a murderer from the beginning and a liar and the father of it." John 8:44 The Devil's mind is the thoughts of sex-lust, and these thoughts say to the soul that they can produce pleasure and life; whereas, in fact, they produce sorrow and death. Sex-lust (the mind of the fallen angels) was  a "murderer from the beginning, and a liar and the father of it." This Serpent is the Cain within every human being, and through the Serpent mortal man is propagated; and Cain, the serpent, was "a murderer and slew Abel" (the soul).

 

All disease and death are within the serpent (sex-lust). The ideas and thoughts of the senses. The ideas and thoughts of the soul are not of the senses. The ideas and thoughts of the soul are Real--Truth and Life. They emanate from the Divine Mind, and are, therefore, Life. The ideas and thoughts of the Serpent emanate from sex-lust, and as the Serpent was a "murderer from the beginning," they are death. There was no death, until the thoughts of the Serpent entered into the consciousness of the soul.

 

Do you think we killed Jesus because of our own jealousy, inferiority and shame of being inferior to him, so we had to preserve our fragile ego?

[PH196]

22 hours ago, 78ast78dgyad said:

 

Do you think we killed Jesus because of our own jealousy, inferiority and shame of being inferior to him, so we had to preserve our fragile ego?

I don't think 'we' (as in the elect) crucified Christ. The serpent's mind i.e. the carnal mind crucified christ because it could not accept what he was teaching. 

 

I should clarify: i do not claim to be morally superior in any way, and in that sense you might regard me as a hypocrite. But, for whatever reason I understand these things, and have studied them in great detail. It is my intent to eventually 'become perfect' as was Jesus, and I will accomplish that.

 

The 'gates of hell' will not prevail against Christ and his Church.

[PH196]

22 hours ago, 78ast78dgyad said:

 

Do you think we killed Jesus because of our own jealousy, inferiority and shame of being inferior to him, so we had to preserve our fragile ego?

read 'the apocalypse of peter' in the gnostic texts and you might understand a bit more of what is going on in this reality.

[peter]

Personally I think  you follow Narcissus in Greek mythology and regards to the 'the apocalypse of peter' at least I rate a mention

Edited April 22, 2022 by peter

[78ast78dgyad]

43 minutes ago, peter said:

Personally I think  you follow Narcissus in Greek mythology and regards to the 'the apocalypse of peter' at least I rate a mention

 

please give your interpretation of 'the apocalypse of peter

[peter]

9 hours ago, 78ast78dgyad said:

please give your interpretation of 'the apocalypse of peter

I would have to read it again , it's been a while, but don't you get the tung in cheek

Edited April 22, 2022 by peter