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The Origin of 'Sin'


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1 hour ago, Firebird said:

 

I know. It's a common theme, people avoid natural behaviour for an extended period and then they confuse their impoverished state with spirituality.

Jesus fasted for 40 days according to the bible. 40 days with no food and in isolation can do strange things to a mind.

 

That is fine if you don't "believe" in Jesus, I really don't care. 

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1 hour ago, PH196 said:

Yes, it is 'natural' meaning, a part of nature. The law of lust runs throughout all of nature. And the 'natural' man, with his carnal mind is absolutely anti-spiritual. 

 

 

Well that's just nonsense.

Asceticism is merely one approach to spirituality. It isn't required for spiritual life. You have a rather narrow and dogmatic view on spirituality.

 

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1 hour ago, PH196 said:

That is fine if you don't "believe" in Jesus, I really don't care. 

 

You're right, I don't ''believe'' in Jesus, as in what Christianity believes him to be.

There was probably a guy called Jesus that was preaching around, sure.

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1 hour ago, PH196 said:

Jesus was 'immaculately conceived', that is was not conceived through the mortal law of sex-lust,

 

Maria was not a ''virgin'' but a ''young woman''. But after so many centuries we can't expect the churches to rectify that translation error.

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10 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

Well that's just nonsense.

Asceticism is merely one approach to spirituality. It isn't required for spiritual life. You have a rather narrow and dogmatic view on spirituality.

 

What is your view? Does it have something to do with 'unconditional love', without ever describing how you can attain that state? I am highlighting what spirituality is not, or what it masquerades as. The mortal half that dies, is unreal. What humans call love is actually just sex-lust, or sex mesmerism, it is not Love. Human familial 'love' also stems from these blood ties which is not love but selfishness.

 

I am highlighting what God is not, and hopefully you can figure out the rest.

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22 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

Well that's just nonsense.

Asceticism is merely one approach to spirituality. It isn't required for spiritual life. You have a rather narrow and dogmatic view on spirituality.

 

It's not dogmatic, what I am preaching is the same thing the Buddha taught: to overcome all desire is to be free from bondage, and lust and desire are pretty much synonyms.

 

Or from the Upanishads:

"The one who realizes yoga through intense practice of pranayama and meditation on Om cuts off the bonds of family life using the very sharp mind which has been sharpened using an efficient sharpener of renunciation and gets freedom from all bondage. 22

The one who gets freedom from desires reaches the deathless state. The one who gets freedom from all desires by cutting off all desires and affection becomes devoid of all bonds. 23"

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21 minutes ago, PH196 said:

It's not dogmatic, what I am preaching is the same thing the Buddha taught: to overcome all desire is to be free from bondage, and lust and desire are pretty much synonyms.

 

Doesn't make it any less dogmatic. I don't really care what big name says it. Big names mean nothing to me.

 

Desires and completely natural. But people may have issue with certain desires they have and some will then seek to get rid of it entirely. Desires aren't bad in and of itself but yes you may have a desire that is troubling. You may dislike a certain sexual desire but that doesn't make all sexual desire bad.

 

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1 hour ago, Firebird said:

 

Doesn't make it any less dogmatic. I don't really care what big name says it. Big names mean nothing to me.

 

Desires and completely natural. But people may have issue with certain desires they have and some will then seek to get rid of it entirely. Desires aren't bad in and of itself but yes you may have a desire that is troubling. You may dislike a certain sexual desire but that doesn't make all sexual desire bad.

 

You want to believe that I have some sort of sexual desire that is troubling, in order to make sense of why I am saying what I am, because you have never heard anything like it.  This is freudian psychology 101, I must have some sort of 'complex' triggered by a past trauma or abuse, and I am compensating. 

 

Whereas all I am doing is reaching inside your mind and crucifying you, and it feels a bit..unsettling, the fact that I am accurately defining your 'condition', and stating plainly what the cause of all the disease, sickness, suffering, and death of the human race is.

 

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16 minutes ago, PH196 said:

You want to believe that I have some sort of sexual desire that is troubling, in order to make sense of why I am saying what I am, because you have never heard anything like it. 

 

 

I don't know. But these things happen. People have desires and some try to bury them, convince themselves it's unnatural to have em.

I don't believe in ''sin''.

 

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23 minutes ago, PH196 said:

the fact that I am accurately defining your 'condition', and stating plainly what the cause of all the disease, sickness, suffering, and death of the human race is.

 

 

I see. So when people catch a cold or break a leg it's really because they have desires.

 

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11 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

I don't know. But these things happen. People have desires and some try to bury them, convince themselves it's unnatural to have em.

I don't believe in ''sin''.

 

This is true.

 

sin can be broadly defined as anything that God is not. The Devil ‘sinned from the beginning’, that is he spiritual nature is the opposite of God.

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9 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

Yeah, sounds unsettling alright.

 

Not as unsettling as literally crucifying people for saying what I am, which occurred with the early Christians. What I am teaching you is the truth that Jesus Christ taught, the carnal minded people of that age stoned, killed, and crucified the early Christians and put in its place Roman paganism.

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29 minutes ago, PH196 said:

Not as unsettling as literally crucifying people for saying what I am, which occurred with the early Christians. What I am teaching you is the truth that Jesus Christ taught, the carnal minded people of that age stoned, killed, and crucified the early Christians and put in its place Roman paganism.

 

I don't believe it has anything to do with truth. You have a narrow view of spirituality.

Many Christians back then were openly preaching against the established religion and breaking statues etc. They remind me of antifa and blm today.

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48 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

I don't believe it has anything to do with truth. You have a narrow view of spirituality.

Many Christians back then were openly preaching against the established religion and breaking statues etc. They remind me of antifa and blm today.

That’s your opinion. This reality is nothing like you perceive it to be. When Christ is saying that the father of mankind in this state is quite literally Satan, he means exactly that. And because this is the truth you don’t ‘believe’ him. Is this not what you are doing right now? 
 

The Devil’s mind is manifested in the consciousness of the soul through the lust senses of the mortal man. Meaning: the ‘fallen angels’ are attempting to assimilate human awareness into their domain, covid-19 the new world order, shadow governments etc. are all outward manifestations of the archon ‘virus’ (appropriately named such) spreading and infesting human awareness ever deeper. Christ was manifested without the ‘archon virus’ which has been transmitted through ‘original sin’, and therefore redeemed the human race through the power of the atonement.

 

This ‘Adam man’ is what Icke terms phantom self. Right now your phantom self is completely dictating your perceptions and you don’t even realize it. I have (to an extent) pierced the veil and have seen through these genetic mind programs. These genetic programs are infested with this ‘mind virus’ running through phantom self, you are regurgitating perceptions that aren’t even your own.

 

This is the truth, yet you choose to ‘believe’ what ever fits your moment to moment feeling of what is ‘true’.

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18 minutes ago, PH196 said:

The Devil’s mind is manifested in the consciousness of the soul through the lust senses of the mortal man.

 

So he's in your head or something? Every time you have a desire for something, say a glass of water or finishing work, you believe the devil is trying to get you?

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1 minute ago, Firebird said:

 

So he's in your head or something? Every time you have a desire for something, say a glass of water or finishing work, you believe the devil is trying to get you?

In a sense, yes, the archon virus is a consciousness virus, and it has infected human awareness, and the results are mortal propagation and death. The minds of the fallen angels (archon virus) has spread into human awareness, it is of the serpents mind and this state of consciousness is an inversion of life, hence: death. Prior to the serpent’s mind entering into human consciousness, man had full connection with God in the ‘garden’, then ‘the fall’ occurred and death (archon virus) infected human awareness. And this inverted state of consciousness had its origin in rebellion against God. When the Devil and the angels rebelled, in their spiritual attributes, they became they opposite of all that God is. And if God is Love and life the absence of God in consciousness is darkness and death. And this state of awareness is attempting to assimilate humanity completely into their domain and shut off any connection to God by hooking humans up to AI (transhumanism), and at this point the archon virus has completely assimilated humanity into it’s domain. Like I said, truth is stranger than fiction, yet this is the case. Without Christ’s redemption of mankind, the human race would have been eternally lost. Yet the ‘truth vibrations’ (as Icke calls them) are awakening humanity to this and will prevent this assimilation from occurring.

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Where have you heard anything close to what I am saying? You haven’t because the ‘information’ is not coming from the virus or phantom self.

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I think I'm done here, it gets kinda boring debating these things. People will invariably 'believe' whatever they want to. What I am saying hinges upon whether you 'believe' there is any truth in the bible, or 'believe' that what Christ said has any truth. If you don't then its just noise, and you cherry pick your own version of reality that suites what 'feels right', not what is actually the case.

 

David Icke is on the right track, which is why I'm posting this information here, because our ideas have overlap.

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21 hours ago, PH196 said:

What I am saying hinges upon whether you 'believe' there is any truth in the bible, or 'believe' that what Christ said has any truth. If you don't then its just noise, and you cherry pick your own version of reality that suites what 'feels right', not what is actually the case.

Yes, it will be perceived as noise, to you and those with the same/similar beliefs.

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, PH196 said:

Where have you heard anything close to what I am saying? You haven’t because the ‘information’ is not coming from the virus or phantom self.

 

The anti-desire position is common among ascetics and their followers.

You link it with Icke but I doubt he is an ascetic. He does say this world we perceive is a fraction of what is out there. But does he say we need to stop having desires and that the world itself is a bad place?

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2 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

The anti-desire position is common among ascetics and their followers.

You link it with Icke but I doubt he is an ascetic. He does say this world we perceive is a fraction of what is out there. But does he say we need to stop having desires and that the world itself is a bad place?

Icke doesn't ever state explicitly what I am: that lust is the essence of the 'phantom self' as he calls it, or as I call it mortal or carnal mind, and is death. It must be death because lust is the father of mortal humanity, and all the mortal creation, which is unreal. It's quite simple, really.

 

His view is that this entire reality is a false Archon Matrix that is an inversion of 'prime earth', and reflects death rather than life. It resembles eden in that the same fractal patterns (encoded information) are 'copied' or mimicked and they produce this false matrix. Just as death is the counterfeit of life, sex-lust is the counterfeit of Love. It is actually the opposite of love and is selfishness. David Icke has pretty much been saying what I have, albeit, in slightly different terms.

 

I could be completely off the mark here, but I am using the biblical narrative to connect the dots. In either case, what I am saying still has truth in it. As Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita: lust ruins life, luster, strength, vitality, memory, wealth, fame, and devotion to the supreme, it drags a man down into the pit of hell.

 

Christ was absolutely non-carnal in thought, and because of his state of thought, he 'healed them everywhere'. This is the 'secret' of Jesus's miracles, he healed them everywhere he went because he was in a mental-spiritual state that is in harmony with God, and this state of mind excludes all lust from the consciousness of the soul. Yielding to the carnal mind in thought is death, and if you do so you will be subject to the mortal law of decay disease and death, and will not have any power over disease and death as did Jesus and the apostles. If you exclude these thoughts from your consciousness and do not yield to them, and purify your mind until you are in a state that is quote "holy" in thought, then you will be able to heal the sick, deaf, blind, and dumb, as did Jesus.

"And when He had called unto Him His Twelve Disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of diseases' Matt. 10: 1. "There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits; and they were healed every one," Acts 5: 16. 

 

These are spiritual axioms, if you understand them properly then you are a Buddha instantly.

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