The Origin of 'Sin'

[PH196]

Sex-lust is the dividing line between Heaven and Hell--Life and Death--the Spiritual and Material worlds. Without sex-lust, there are not any sin and death. There is no lust in the consciousness of the Divine Mind and Godhead. 

 

All that is on the other side of the line of sex-lust in thought, mind and consciousness are God's ideas and thoughts and mind, and is life. All that is on this side of the line of sex-lust in thought, ideas, mind and consciousness is of the Mind of the Serpent (sex-lust--the Devil), and is sin and death. On the other side of the line of sex-lust in thought, all is Holy and Perfect--God's ideas. On this side of the line all is carnal and sensual--unholy and imperfect--the serpent's ideas--sex-lust thoughts and death.

 

There is no sex-lust in the consciousness of God's Mind and Being, and the Devil abode not in the consciousness of God's Mind and Being, as Spirit and Life; and for having conceived sex-lust in consciousness, was cast out of God's mind into the consciousness of the mind of sex-lust of the flesh--into the earth and death. Jesus said, "He was a murderer from the beginning and a liar and the father of it." John 8:44 The Devil's mind is the thoughts of sex-lust, and these thoughts say to the soul that they can produce pleasure and life; whereas, in fact, they produce sorrow and death. Sex-lust (the mind of the fallen angels) was  a "murderer from the beginning, and a liar and the father of it." This Serpent is the Cain within every human being, and through the Serpent mortal man is propagated; and Cain, the serpent, was "a murderer and slew Abel" (the soul).

 

All disease and death are within the serpent (sex-lust). The ideas and thoughts of the senses. The ideas and thoughts of the soul are not of the senses. The ideas and thoughts of the soul are Real--Truth and Life. They emanate from the Divine Mind, and are, therefore, Life. The ideas and thoughts of the Serpent emanate from sex-lust, and as the Serpent was a "murderer from the beginning," they are death. There was no death, until the thoughts of the Serpent entered into the consciousness of the soul.

[DougASmall]

Sex is not the origin of sin. 

 

Listening to another that is not the Lord God is the origin(being beguiled). A turning away, Treason, Idolatry, Hypocrisy is the origin. In essence a lie. 

 

Sex is how you got trapped here. 

Sex means destruction, division. 

It's a sting a thrust through all the actions of a bitting stinging insect. 

A botfly. 

Sex comes from Oestrus(a bitting stinging insect botfly) root word for estrogen, estrus, uterus also means pudenda, a mad frenzy) 

Is the same as EOS. 

Goddess of the dawn appollyon Satan. Is synonymous with the number 6.

 

Edited December 30, 2021 by DougASmall

[peter]

On 12/27/2021 at 6:23 AM, PH196 said:

John 8:44 The Devil's mind is the thoughts of sex-lust, and these thoughts say to the soul that they can produce pleasure and life; whereas, in fact, they produce sorrow and death.

you obviously don't like sex,or maybe you do

 

I have been married for 36 years and have two beautiful sons ,to me my family only produces love and happiness

I see your quoting the bible again,at which you excel, but does that make you a  fine upstanding and righteous person? to me all that means is your good at quoting the bible.

If I could quote verbatim the operating manual of a Laverda Jota would that make me a classic Italian 3 cylinder motorcycle?

[Itsa]

Just now, peter said:

you obviously don't like sex,or maybe you do

 

I have been married for 36 years and have two beautiful sons ,to me my family only produces love and happiness

I see your quoting the bible again,at which you excel, but does that make you a  fine upstanding and righteous person? to me all that means is your good at quoting the bible.

If I could quote verbatim the operating manual of a Laverda Jota would that make me a classic Italian 3 cylinder motorcycle?

What happens when you demonise sex is you get repression which leads to conflict and mental illness.

Or even worse you get what has happened in the catholic church, repressed little hypocrites living a double life and fiddling with kids.

 

Sex is part of life. 

People always seem to have these lofty ideals about not having sex and spirituality.

If someone is being distracted by sexual thoughts and they have a cold shower and go for a run for example what they have done is recognise the sexual energy used a technique to control it and then used the energy for something they would rather use it on.

For some reason people seem to think that process undertaken internally is somehow different but it's not ,the techniques are just different.

 

Just my ten pence worth 

[peter]

2 hours ago, Itsa said:

Or even worse you get what has happened in the catholic church, repressed little hypocrites living a double life and fiddling with kids.

I totally agree, I was going to bring that up but decided to save it for later , looks like your quicker on the draw

Just wondering how many kiddie fiddlers can quote the bible

Edited December 30, 2021 by peter

[PH196]

5 hours ago, Itsa said:

What happens when you demonise sex is you get repression which leads to conflict and mental illness.

Or even worse you get what has happened in the catholic church, repressed little hypocrites living a double life and fiddling with kids.

 

Sex is part of life. 

People always seem to have these lofty ideals about not having sex and spirituality.

If someone is being distracted by sexual thoughts and they have a cold shower and go for a run for example what they have done is recognise the sexual energy used a technique to control it and then used the energy for something they would rather use it on.

For some reason people seem to think that process undertaken internally is somehow different but it's not ,the techniques are just different.

 

Just my ten pence worth 

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, and that is the appropriate line of action for most - sublimate not repress sex drive. But the idea that transmutation of sexual energy leads to various sorts of ‘complexes’ is false.

that is Freudian psychology, a pedo priest did not become a pedo because the Catholic Church said he could not get married, he became a priest because it gave him access to children that he could then molest, because he is a predator, a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

[PH196]

5 hours ago, peter said:

you obviously don't like sex,or maybe you do

 

I have been married for 36 years and have two beautiful sons ,to me my family only produces love and happiness

I see your quoting the bible again,at which you excel, but does that make you a  fine upstanding and righteous person? to me all that means is your good at quoting the bible.

If I could quote verbatim the operating manual of a Laverda Jota would that make me a classic Italian 3 cylinder motorcycle?

 

All of my posts are purely of a philosophical nature, read through them closely. I am articulating the difference between life and death.

 

This entire mortal creation is unreal-does not in fact exist and must pass away. That this mortal creation is ruled by the law of lust, none can deny, because it is conceived in lust.

 

I am actually articulating the dual nature of this creation, and the carnal (mortal) mind and the physical man, who has the seeds of sickness, disease, and death within him, is unreal. Death came into being when some of the spiritual beings whom God created rebelled against him as life. The material and mortal are Gods means of manifesting the opposite of himself as the result of their transgression.

 

read the history of the crimes, rapes, murders etc. that come up before court - lust is at the root of all this. And as I have stated lust is the mental-spiritual state of the fallen angels who rebelled against God. The physical mortal man filled with ‘sin’ partakes of the nature of the fallen angels, and is unreal.

 

it’s clear you don’t like me, which is fine. When Christ came they hated him for what he said, and had him and all the apostles killed. Rather than comprehend what I am saying, which is unlike any philosophy you have heard anywhere else, you choose to attack me instead…strange.

[PH196]

7 hours ago, Itsa said:

What happens when you demonise sex is you get repression which leads to conflict and mental illness.

Or even worse you get what has happened in the catholic church, repressed little hypocrites living a double life and fiddling with kids.

 

Sex is part of life. 

People always seem to have these lofty ideals about not having sex and spirituality.

If someone is being distracted by sexual thoughts and they have a cold shower and go for a run for example what they have done is recognise the sexual energy used a technique to control it and then used the energy for something they would rather use it on.

For some reason people seem to think that process undertaken internally is somehow different but it's not ,the techniques are just different.

 

Just my ten pence worth 

Actually the Catholic Church has deified lust as holy by making marriage a sacrement. The carnal within man was done this in every age of the world. 

 

I don't care about what the catholic church-a pagan institution- does or does not do, I am only interested in the truth that Christ taught when he was here.

 

John 8:44

"

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."

 

Here the Master declares that the father of mortal humanity is The Devil, and that Lust is the mental-spiritual state of The Devil, it is of the spiritual nature of the fallen angels, it is death. Christ said that when the devil "speaketh a lie he speaks of his own for he is a liar and the father of it." The senses are liars, and there is no Truth in them, for they are not of God, who is Truth. 

 

Selfishness and dishonesty is within the sex. There is not an honest thought in the sensual or sex mind. 

 

"And the serpent said until the woman. Ye shall not surely die." Gen3:4 This was the liw of the serpent. It has deceived the daughters of men in all generations. It has deceived souls ever since the angels lost their holy state and the carnal creation came into existence. This serpent is the Cain mind which murdered Abel. This serpent is the devil, which our Lord refers to in John 8:44. This serpent is the same Satan that job said "was walking up and down in the earth, seeking whom he may devour." And this serpent is located within the sex brain and the lust senses of men. He is the devil. He is sex lust. He creates all the confusion and strife of this life. He commands the armies and the navies of the nations of this eaeth, and produces all the merder and death of the ages. He fills the jails, hospitals and insane asylums of the world. He is the "Prince of this world" and the enemy of the soul.

 

This is the same devil to which our Master referred to in Mat. 13:38 when he said "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; the enemy that sowed them is the devil." This devil is sex lust. This devil is the same devil that John refers to in first john 3:8-9 when he says, "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

 

Later on:

Jesus answered, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage. 36In fact, they can no longer die, because they are like the angels. And since they are sons of the resurrection, they are sons of God."

 

Once again, Christ is stating the the children of the flesh marry and are given in marriage, but those of the resurrection neither marry or are given in marriage, and are like the angels, and can no longer die. All death is in lust. Lust is the mind of the fallen spirits, and it is death.

 

The lust of the flesh is today, as in all ages, filling the insane asylums, hospitals and prison cells of the world.

 

Jesus and His Apostles restored physical health and life by spiritual power. By living in the conscious realization of God as the only life, they had power over death. "Then He called His twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick."

 

[peter]

10 hours ago, PH196 said:

This entire mortal creation is unreal-does not in fact exist and must pass away. That this mortal creation is ruled by the law of lust, none can deny, because it is conceived in lust.

By definition if something is created it exists and therefore real also if something passes away it needs to exist in the first place ( around and around we go )

Of course your god created sex and lust ,without it there would be no bastard around to worship him ,then where would he be

10 hours ago, PH196 said:

I am actually articulating the dual nature of this creation, and the carnal (mortal) mind and the physical man, who has the seeds of sickness, disease, and death within him, is unreal. Death came into being when some of the spiritual beings whom God created rebelled against him as life. The material and mortal are Gods means of manifesting the opposite of himself as the result of their transgression.

I thought god was perfect and therefore his creations are also . What your stating is that god stuffed up with some of the spiritual beings he created and therefore  mankind has to suffer sickness and death because of his mistake  ( he made them therefore the buck stops with him), what? did he just have an off day or something

 

10 hours ago, PH196 said:

read the history of the crimes, rapes, murders etc. that come up before court - lust is at the root of all this.

some people are assholes ,most are not

 

10 hours ago, PH196 said:

The physical mortal man filled with ‘sin’ partakes of the nature of the fallen angels, and is unreal.

So we are back to being blamed for gods mistake again, he has to be a bureaucrat

 

10 hours ago, PH196 said:

it’s clear you don’t like me, which is fine.

I don't like you or dislike you, I don't even know you.

 

10 hours ago, PH196 said:

Rather than comprehend what I am saying, which is unlike any philosophy you have heard anywhere else, you choose to attack me instead…strange.

Believe me mate I've heard it all before  ,your nothing special

I don't lust after money,  women ,power or possessions and I certainly don't believe in your god ,but according to you I should be out raping and pillaging, so there's an conundrum for you to consider  

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by peter

[PH196]

47 minutes ago, peter said:

By definition if something is created it exists and therefore real also if something passes away it needs to exist in the first place ( around and around we go )

Of course your god created sex and lust ,without it there would be no bastard around to worship him ,then where would he be

I thought god was perfect and therefore his creations are also . What your stating is that god stuffed up with some of the spiritual beings he created and therefore  mankind has to suffer sickness and death because of his mistake  ( he made them therefore the buck stops with him), what? did he just have an off day or something

 

some people are assholes ,most are not

 

So we are back to being blamed for gods mistake again, he has to be a bureaucrat

 

I don't like you or dislike you, I don't even know you.

 

Believe me mate I've heard it all before  ,your nothing special

I don't lust after money,  women ,power or possessions and I certainly don't believe in your god ,but according to you I should be out raping and pillaging, so there's an conundrum for you to consider  

 

No I'm not stating that God necessarily screwed up, rather, those beings willfully rebelled against him, as is stated in revelation:

 

The War in Heaven

7Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. 9And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

 

What i am saying is that 'this place' i.e. the earth, is what was manifested as a result of their transgression. And the man made in God's image yielded to the minds of the fallen angels, which is death, and mortal propagation is the result.

 

The 'Big Bang' was more that God expanded into the void that they created. The 'Big Bang' was the result of multiple infinite domains (spiritual forces) clashing, creating huge voids for God to expand into. If you need a reason why evil exists - it exists solely for God to expand and fill that void. In order for God to be infinite, he must be increasing without bound. You can regard the null void where God is not as the void into which God is expanding. And this abyss of darkness they (the fallen angels) created, and God expanded to fill that void.

 

I'm not saying most people are murderers and rapists because of lust; rather, I am stating more clearly what it is within human nature that (At times) can make humans so cruel and brutal, and it is undoubtedly the serpent's mind, which is lust. 

 

Without my correct interpretation of Christianity, the immaculate conception and resurrection make absolutely no sense whatsoever. When Christians say christ was born without 'sin', they mean he was not born through the mortal law of sex-lust. When they say he overcame death they mean he overcame the law of the mortal creation, which is sex-lust. It's really not that difficult to understand. That is what MY God did, correct. 

 

However, if you insist that Christ is not your God then that's fine, doesn't change anything.

[peter]

3 hours ago, PH196 said:

Without my correct interpretation of Christianity, the immaculate conception and resurrection make absolutely no sense whatsoever. When Christians say christ was born without 'sin', they mean he was not born through the mortal law of sex-lust. When they say he overcame death they mean he overcame the law of the mortal creation, which is sex-lust. It's really not that difficult to understand. That is what MY God did, correct. 

If your god is perfect (all knowing and all seeing)  he should of seen the shit coming and done something about it, but instead he chose to let mankind suffer for his mistake and punish the innocent  ( childhood cancer etc)and don't tell me he works in mysterious ways ,what a cop out

What makes your interpretation of christanity the correct one, as apposed to someone else's?, and for that matter what makes your god any better that the 3000 other ones to choose from that are just as relevant to their respective followers as yours is to you

 

3 hours ago, PH196 said:

 

However, if you insist that Christ is not your God then that's fine, doesn't change anything.

I thought christ was the son of god

 

3 hours ago, PH196 said:

It's really not that difficult to understand.

Well at least we agree on something

 

3 hours ago, PH196 said:

That is what MY God did, correct. 

Maybe you should qualify that statement  with the three extra words , in my opinion

 

3 hours ago, PH196 said:

I'm not saying most people are murderers and rapists because of lust; rather, I am stating more clearly what it is within human nature that (At times) can make humans so cruel and brutal, and it is undoubtedly the serpent's mind, which is lust. 

Maybe you should worship Don Juan Matus then he was on the money

[PH196]

4 hours ago, peter said:

If your god is perfect (all knowing and all seeing)  he should of seen the shit coming and done something about it, but instead he chose to let mankind suffer for his mistake and punish the innocent  ( childhood cancer etc)and don't tell me he works in mysterious ways ,what a cop out

What makes your interpretation of christanity the correct one, as apposed to someone else's?, and for that matter what makes your god any better that the 3000 other ones to choose from that are just as relevant to their respective followers as yours is to you

 

I thought christ was the son of god

 

Well at least we agree on something

 

Maybe you should qualify that statement  with the three extra words , in my opinion

 

Maybe you should worship Don Juan Matus then he was on the money

The simple answer is that God isn't the one who is creating 'all this shit', God created Lucifer, and Lucifer fell when he rebelled against God and became evil. Those spirit beings who rebelled against God, naturally, became the opposite of all that God is.

 

What is so hard to understand about that? 

 

If you need an answer to the question "Why did Lucifer rebel against God", I will present the following explanation:

 

At some point, God evolved to one unique identity. This phenomenon came about by way of the mathematical argument that there is the infinite domain of God and all else is non-existence, what God is not. In Vulcan metaphysics, it is stated as, ‘nothing unreal exists.’ God is increasing at an infinite rate toward infinity, but we can regard that domain, which is a null domain, where God is not as the void into which God is expanding. Such an expansion requires infinite adaptability to express the infinite series of potentialities regarding the null void: What is God not? All that God is falls into that domain of the infinitely expanding identity of God. All that God is not falls into that null domain that God is expanding into.

 

So God creates a second infinite, unique domain, and a necessary third domain appears to tie the two infinite domains of God and His new creation together such that there is overlap and not complete mutual exclusivity.

 

You can see when a grade-school style Venn diagram is in place that the creation of a second unique infinite domain brings about the existence of a third domain if there is to be any relationship, including simple communication, between the two domains. Since domain A and domain B are infinite, then the overlap A ∩ B, must also therefore be infinite.

 

Also, domain A ∩ B shares elements of both unique domains and therefore has a higher ‘density’ ration when considering the individual elements and characteristics that make up each of the two unique domains, A and B. Domain A ∩ B therefore can in all practical senses be considered in some ways superior, possessing elements and characteristics that either one domain may lack, alone. This phenomenon is the reason God created a second unique infinite domain. This is where the terms the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, come from. The Holy Spirit representing the overlap between domains A ∩ B; the Father and the Son.

 

That is the core of the onion. At some point the phenomenon A ∩ B, meeting the requirements of an infinitely expanding system, must expand into a null void, what is God not? The first realm other than the unique infinite domains of God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is created. The first layer of the onion comes into being, a universe is created, or rather, a Multiverse, a realm, consisting of numerous subsets, a multitude of universes not at all like our universe in construct or purpose. This is the first of creation that can be denoted as, in summary, the Kingdom of God.

 

In order to expand into this void, what is God not? A multitude of unique, infinite domains identical in construct to God must be created to explore the potentialities of this infinite question. The question is infinite; the domains that explore the infinite question must also therefore be infinite in scope and duration. These infinite domains are sentient life. Life is created; from every simple microscopic single celled organism to sentient beings fill this new domain. The sentient beings are those that are charged with answering, or rather, exploring the potentialities of the infinite question, what is God not? All of the other life forms down to the simplest single celled organisms are in roles that support the work of the Sentients. In this case, the Sentients are not humans, not yet. That realm, this realm in which we reside has not been created yet, and will be many layers further from the inner most domain where God resides.

If you can try to picture that, but trillions upon trillions of layers thick, that is what we are talking about. Each layer is a realm, a Multiverse, in common terms, containing a googolplex of universes and countless sentient beings. The outer layers are younger, the inner layers are more ancient, and the innermost layers are the most ancient of creation. In short, creation didn’t happen yesterday, certainly not 13.8 billion years ago. This realm and this cosmos are on the outermost layer of creation, the youngest; the frontier. There is no number large enough to put an actual age on the whole of creation. This realm is many trillions of years old, actually, something on the order of trillions of trillions. Our cosmos is not nearly as old as this realm (this Multiverse) that contains it.

 

The first realm, the first Multiverse, is so ancient that the place humans refer to as Heaven is many layers and domains of creation newer, younger, not to be confused with this innermost domain where God exists. That is, Heaven, for human beings, is part of the younger domains just as our physical cosmos is. Human Heaven is part of the outermost, youngest realm, not part of  the cosmos, but not a physical part of the realm. The differentiation is in permanency. Physical cosmoses and realms are finite; they cease to exist at some point. Heavenly realms are infinite, they never cease to exist. That is, each realm, or layer, has its own ‘heaven,’ or infinite, non- corporeal domain. Eventually the corporeal face of a realm dies Heat Death, but the non- corporeal domain continues on for infinity. What we call ‘Heaven’ is one of such trillions of ‘heavens’ in the Kingdom of God. This is written in the Bible, especially the non-canonical book of Enoch, although such large numbers were not directly discussed. In the Vedas this is spoken of plainly.

 

In biology, the term ‘self-regulating’ is used. When you create an entire cosmos for the purpose of creating darkness, what God not, you want a safety valve in place. A self-extinguishing, self- regulating cosmos that will cease to exist under its own volition and design is just such a mechanism. Therefore, ultimately Astrophysicists will discover that the cosmos is indeed self- regulating, and will cease to exist at some point.

 

At this point, upon looking at the inner layers of the onion, the domain humans refer to as Heaven has not even been conceived of, not even by God. Countless thousands of such layers, such Kingdoms of God, will be created, like the layers of an onion, before our Heaven and Earth are even conceived of. Thus, there are countless realms in the Kingdom of God that are more ancient than that place humans call Heaven. What they call Heaven is still a young place, new. Some of this is explained in the Vedic literature. It is also described in the Bible, the Talmud, and other Holy texts. The next obvious question is, ‘who explained this to the humans who wrote the ancient Vedas? The answer is, the Avatars.

 

Avatars, such as you and me, are beings from these more ancient domains that appear among younger sentient species to express and explain some of the guidelines for our existence. Each new realm in the expansion of the Kingdom(s) of God can be visualized rather simply:

 

 

And so on. It’s really quite simple. The outer layers are younger, the inner layers of creation are more ancient. The inner layers are so old that they no longer exist in physical form, they have either recollapsed or experienced Heat Death or some other such thing, but their associated infinite domains (their Heaven) exist for infinity. As each layer of creation fulfills its task of

 

exploring all of the potentialities of the infinite question, what is God not(?) that are possible within that domain, a newer, younger domain is then created more distant from God to explore yet further; God expands to fill that void. In so doing, God expands into that void. That is the reason we exist here. Eventually, this physical domain will cease to exist, and humans will exist in the Kingdom of God associated with their realm, and another realm will be created, and so on.

Recapping: In order for God to fit the definition of Infinite, God must be infinitely expanding. Infinity has no endpoint. In order for God to expand, He must expand into a null domain. The null domain can be expressed by the term, what is God not?

 

In each realm, or Multiverse, as you will, the null domain what is God not is explored to exhaustion. This process can take googols of years for any given realm. At this point, the realm is exhausted as a null domain, and as a void for God to expand into. For all practical purposes, the sentient beings that occupy such a realm become gods by human standards, made of the same stuff as God, created in God’s image, and now knowing all things of good and evil, become omniscient, even omnipotent as their technology allows them.

 

In order to explore the potentialities of that question, God creates another unique, yet finite domain we would refer to as a Multiverse, or realm, as you will.

This Multiverse is the foundation for countless Universes, each with a unique set of properties embedded within the greater domain of this Multiverse. Just think of bubbles in water. The bubbles are universes embedded within the Multiverse of the water. Oversimplified, but expresses the idea without error.

This Multiverse and all of its subset universes must then be filled with life. Some life is sentient, the other life supports the role of the sentient beings as they explore the infinite question, what is God not? In perspective, humans, for instance, are not the only sentient life on Earth. The fallacy of inaccurately thinking so is part of our failed makeup that defines our stupidity, a feature of what is God not. Stupidity, evil, violence, commerce, pollution, sex, drugs, starvation, disease, suffering, desperation, powerlessness, limited... War. What is God not?

 

There is the physical, finite domain of this physical cosmos, and another domain we refer to as our Heaven, and the overlap between the two domains is us.

 

 

 

so what exactly is this place, how was it created, and what is the origin of Evil? First off, you do not need to be a Christian to believe anything I say, as ‘belief’ is in fact a cognitive process that does not effect the structure of reality. My ideas here are bit more speculative, but the overarching themes are consistent.

A long, long looong time ago, in the first order of creation — that first ancient ‘layer of the onion’ so to speak, there existed a creation of Spirit (sentient) beings who you can regard as those first infinite domains other than God that were created. 

 

God approached one of his highest angels, whom we will simply agree is called Lucifer for the time being, and charged him with the command; create a new concept, a new realm to explore such that God (I) can expand, what is God not? Lucifer, being among the most intelligent of his race, created (invented) war; he rallied his people and warred against the entire realm of Heaven, then created a domain where God is not –Hell. He fulfilled his command with a completely unique and new layer to add to the Kingdom of God. His influence overlaps with all sentient beings in this Multiverse – filled with unique finite universes, each universe filled with countless trillions of sentient beings, all exploring the infinite question, what is God not? All influenced by Lucifer. Lucifer can be thought of as the director of this place. That is why those who mimic him are rewarded in this physical world, rewarded with money, women, power, and so on. That is the answer to an age-old question.

 

This Multiverse, filled with countless universes, each universe filled with countless trillions of sentient beings, is on the very outermost edge of God’s existence. The description above is of Lucifer’s actions in an angelic realm of the first creation, a googolplex of realms prior to this one. Thus, the name Lucifer is merely a model. Nevertheless, he whom we will agree will go by the name Lucifer, for lack of a better word, created, invented, conceived of the first darkness beyond God’s reach and understanding, war, hatred, territorialism. Again, this occurred in the first realm of creation.

 

We, a googolplex of realms, countless trillions of eons later, have inherited this model. We have of course expanded on this model and invented entirely new ones in ways our ancestors in the former realms could never have conceived of, else we would not have need been created.

 

If you read between the lines, what was ‘caste out’ of the infinite domain is the creation of the Archon-Demiurge, the earth. It's an analogy for something that is beyond the human scope of understanding. Similar to the garden of eden story, where ‘man became of living soul’ i.e. us Spirit beings incarnate into the material creation and are conscious of the difference between good and evil, the spiritual and the material, life and death. According to the gnostic texts the Archons have their own ‘heavens’, and they exist on the periphery of the layer of the onion of creation, rather than ‘deep heaven’ —the eternal aeons. 

 

The law of lust is anti-spiritual and contrary to life. The physical ‘man’ (organic portal) only exists in mind and thought in the absence of God as the only life—the absence of God’s mind. All that appears yet is not in the presence of god is under this anti-spiritual law. If this were not the case then God would not be able to explore the question ‘what am I not?’ through the mortal creation. The Christian scripture represents lust as the power of the flesh and anti-spiritual.

 

The “Adam man” or organic portal self is anti-spiritual, which is why you cannot know anything spiritual through the cognitive mind. The organic portal is completely dead — there is no actual life in matter or cell life, it is all Maya — illusion. It is the manifestation of the minds of the Fallen Angels, who rebelled against God's Kingdom, represented in the flesh and blood human.

[peter]

16 minutes ago, PH196 said:

The simple answer is that God isn't the one who is creating 'all this shit', God created Lucifer, and Lucifer fell when he rebelled against God and became evil. Those spirit beings who rebelled against God, naturally, became the opposite of all that God is.

 

What is so hard to understand about that? 

God created lucifer therefore the buck stops with him,whats so hard to understand about that. You didn't answer any question I posed

 all you do is preach ,you'll be passing around the plate soon

 

30 minutes ago, PH196 said:

In Vulcan metaphysics, it is stated as, ‘nothing unreal exists.’

Now you are either quoting the Roman god of fire or Star Trek

I'm done

[atenea]

SIN = lack of (virtue) or lacking.

It comes from the Latin "lack of". In Spanish, "Sin" means "Without" (without virtue).

Anything that LACKS virtues or love is a SIN.

If you lack self-respect, you're sinning.

If you lack love, you're sinning.

If you have sex with love, you're not sinning.

If there is no love in sex, you're sinning.

Apply this to anything.

 

Also, you're not sinning to a God, you're sinning to yourself.

[Firebird]

On 12/26/2021 at 9:23 PM, PH196 said:

Sex-lust is the dividing line between Heaven and Hell--Life and Death--the Spiritual and Material worlds. Without sex-lust, there are not any sin and death. There is no lust in the consciousness of the Divine Mind and Godhead. 

 

 

Let me guess.... you don't like what arouses you?

 

Without lust and sex there are no humans, tigers, birds, wolves, etc. etc.

 

 

[PH196]

1 hour ago, Firebird said:

 

Let me guess.... you don't like what arouses you?

 

Without lust and sex there are no humans, tigers, birds, wolves, etc. etc.

 

 

No, I'm just explaining what billions of humans have failed to comprehend. The lack of understanding of this has lead to human misery and ill health on a vast scale. When I say that Christ was absolutely pure in thought and consciousness, and was free from 'sin' and overcame death, the modern Christian nods in agreement. But when I elaborate on what 'sin' actually is, and say that it is the thoughts of sex-lust in the consciousness of the soul, that makes the soul conscious of 'evil', then all hell breaks loose and I am accused of being a sexual degenerate, which is odd, as I am uncovering that thing which the is the most esteemed human thought and the cause of all degeneracy: the love of the sex and lust senses. 

 

This is called false-modesty. The secret of health and longevity, and the 'secret' of how Jesus and the apostles healed the sick and had authority over sin, disease, and death, is because they overcame all lust in thought, desire, and consciousness, and were in a mental-spiritual state that was in harmony with God. As I have stated, the mental-spiritual state of the fallen angels is lust, and as Jesus says in John 8:44, the father of mortal man is the Devil (serpent's mind), and his dominion is lust, and because this is the truth you believe him not.

 

42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on My own, but He sent Me.

43Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!

46Which of you can prove Me guilty of sin? If I speak the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

 

Do you dispute what Christ says here? This is not some sort of riddle, he is saying clear-as-day that the people 'of this world', are the children of the Devil. Read into Icke's books, the 'natural' world, through which death is the common denominator, is a counterfeit of God's creation. The material and mortal are God's means of manifesting the opposite of himself, as the result of the angels' transgression against him. In the Gnostic texts it is stated in slightly different terms but the conclusion is the same: the Archons created a bad copy of prime earth and tuned human awareness into it for the purpose of perceptual enslavement. This entire reality is a fake copy of God's creation. There is no actual life in what is termed cell life, it exists in thought and consciousness in the absence of God, it only exists in the mind of the sex and lust senses whereby it is propagated. It is unreal
(mortal), God's creation is real (immortal).This is what 'the fall of man' was, where 'death' entered into the consciousness of the human race, meaning - the man made in God's image yielded to the minds of the fallen angels and mortal propagation and death are the results. 

Edited February 8, 2022 by PH196

[PH196]

Why does no one appreciate the profundity of what I am saying?? Minds should be getting blown all over the place, yet I get no-brain moronic comments.

 

 

[Firebird]

10 hours ago, PH196 said:

Why does no one appreciate the profundity of what I am saying?? Minds should be getting blown all over the place, yet I get no-brain moronic comments.

 

 

 

Who says it's profound?

 

Lust and sex are part of nature.

Yes, it can turn bad. Or good.

No, avoiding it doesn't make you a saint and abstinence isn't required to experience the spiritual.

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Firebird

[Firebird]

11 hours ago, PH196 said:

Do you dispute what Christ says here? This is not some sort of riddle, he is saying clear-as-day that the people 'of this world', are the children of the Devil.

 

Perhaps he turned mad because of his fasting. It tends to happen with prolonged abstinence or deprivation. Such isolation can also make people imagine they are not of this world.

[Firebird]

11 hours ago, PH196 said:

This is what 'the fall of man' was, where 'death' entered into the consciousness of the human race, meaning - the man made in God's image yielded to the minds of the fallen angels and mortal propagation and death are the results. 

 

If we have a spiritual nature than ''death'' does not exist. The nature of change is part of our universe. Nothing to do with ''fallen angels''. You think a bunch of angels created all matter in the universe? Maybe according to some culture but I doubt any science is there to back it up.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Firebird

[Firebird]

11 hours ago, PH196 said:

The secret of health and longevity, and the 'secret' of how Jesus and the apostles healed the sick and had authority over sin, disease, and death, is because they overcame all lust in thought, desire, and consciousness, and were in a mental-spiritual state that was in harmony with God.

 

I'm sure they had their own lusts. Like the lust to convince others of their God, or the lust to convert, or the lust for food and water.

 

Desires are natural. Which is not to suggest every desire is helpful. But the opposite is to think of all of them in a bad way, which is what you are saying. How so? And why sex? Why does it bother you? Does craving for food bother you as well?

 

[PH196]

3 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

I'm sure they had their own lusts. Like the lust to convince others of their God, or the lust to convert, or the lust for food and water.

 

Desires are natural. Which is not to suggest every desire is helpful. But the opposite is to think of all of them in a bad way, which is what you are saying. How so? And why sex? Why does it bother you? Does craving for food bother you as well?

 

What I am saying isn't unique to Christianity, the secret of health and longevity is the preservation of the seminal energy, that is another reason why lust is destructive to the human being. And yes if you read any Buddhist texts, 'desire' is more or less a metaphysical evil.

 

Sensuality destroys life, lustre, strength, vitality, memory, wealth, great fame, holiness and devotion to the Supreme.

—Lord Krishna

3 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

If we have a spiritual nature than ''death'' does not exist. The nature of change is part of our universe. Nothing to do with ''fallen angels''. You think a bunch of angels created all matter in the universe? Maybe according to some culture but I doubt any science is there to back it up.

 

 

Sin and death (the unreal) had it's origin in rebellion against God. The unreal is God's means of manifesting the opposite of himself, as a result of their transgression against him. In John 8:44 Christ refers to the mind of the chief of these fallen spirits as the mind of lust and carnality. He says that he was a murderer from the beginning. He was cast down to darkness and death when he fell. This is his fallen state and the fallen state is lust in thought. 

 

You think the parable of the knowledge of good and evil refers to a literal 'apple'. Why does no one ever specify what the lie of the serpent is? The Devil is the serpent that deceived eve, and he is lust. The end of Satan's Kingdom (the lust of the flesh and carnal and mortal propagation) is the beginning of Christ's Kingdom. The end of death is the beginning of life. 

 

And Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those having been considered worthy to obtain that which is to the age, and the resurrection which is from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage. 36For neither are they able to die any more, for they are like the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."

Edited February 9, 2022 by PH196

[Firebird]

11 minutes ago, PH196 said:

What I am saying isn't unique to Christianity,

 

 

I know. It's a common theme, people avoid natural behaviour for an extended period and then they confuse their impoverished state with spirituality.

Jesus fasted for 40 days according to the bible. 40 days with no food and in isolation can do strange things to a mind.

 

[Firebird]

13 minutes ago, PH196 said:

Sin and death (the unreal) had it's origin in rebellion against God. The unreal is God's means of manifesting the opposite of himself, as a result of their transgression against him.

 

What you call sin here, such as desires, sex etc. is completely natural behaviour. You may not like it but that's another thing. There have been other people that don't like it either, then they start to build religions around it. The culture in which they live provides them with stuff they can grab and use to build upon that.

[PH196]

2 hours ago, Firebird said:

 

What you call sin here, such as desires, sex etc. is completely natural behaviour. You may not like it but that's another thing. There have been other people that don't like it either, then they start to build religions around it. The culture in which they live provides them with stuff they can grab and use to build upon that.

Yes, it is 'natural' meaning, a part of nature. The law of lust runs throughout all of nature. And the 'natural' man, with his carnal mind is absolutely anti-spiritual. 

 

What I am describing isn't a matter of like or dislike. I am describing the dual nature of mankind as it is. The Christ mind is non-carnal and non-selfishness. 

 

When you reveal all the lust within the human mind, and that all human blood ties are selfishness and not of love but lust, then the human mind will turn on you and hate you. The carnal mind hated, killed, and stoned Jesus and the Apostles; that is a fact.  Read the history of the crimes, rapes, murders, swindling etc. lust is at the root of all of this.

 

Unselfish spiritual love begins where the selfish affection of the senses ends. All carnal ties are of the selfish thought. Marriage and the sex relations between husband and wife is the essence of this thought. I don't mean to say that the race should not marry here in this fallen state. They should until carnality is overcome.

 

All human ties of blood relation is sex mesmerism. Human affection of blood relation is sex mesmerism. They are of the sex mind and sex brain. They are carnal in nature and non-spiritual. they are selfishness, and the spirit is non-selfishness. It is love. "God is love." And God is spirit.

 

All ties here are of the serpent's mind and the sex brain. The law of human relation is the law of selfishness. The human mind does not love its own to any degree beyond the third generation. The human tie is so selfish that it seldom extends beyond the third generation. Hence Jesus said "Who is my mother, my brother and my sister? He that does the will of my Father who is in Heaven." He repudiates all human relations, not just sexual relations, because it is all of the serpent's mind.

 

The race is still out in the land of Nod, where Cain went to get a wife and is wandering around in this land of the carnal senses worshipping its human offspring and human relations as idols. The Eves are still bringing forth their Cains through lust and saying "they are of the lord" and the Adams are still begetting their "Seths" in their "images." Some are drunks, and some are murderers etc.

 

Jesus was 'immaculately conceived', that is was not conceived through the mortal law of sex-lust, which is selfishness, and is said to have not been conceived in "sin". Jesus overcame death, and was resurrected from the dead. The resurrection is the overcoming of the serpent's mind, in thought and consciousness. When the soul overcomes the serpent's mind in thought and consciousness, it has overcome death. There was no death until the serpent's mind was manifested in consciousness. Sex lust was the original cause of death. All the sorrow of the race, revolves around the lie that there are pleasure within the carnal senses. All other desires revolve around this central strong desire. The desire for drugs and alcohol comes from lust. Falsehood comes out of lust. The mind of the sex brain is dishonest and untruthful. All honesty and character is within the mind of the soul. All truth is spiritual. All falsehood is of the serpent's mind - the mind of the senses and sex brain.

 

You are correct however to say that these things are 'natural'. The mind of the sex brain is in all nature. It is in all things that are material. The planets affect the carnal mind. Sex polarization is everywhere in nature.

Edited February 9, 2022 by PH196