Is there any point in saying "white people are more spiritual than black people"

[RobSS]

Skin colour offers no clue as to the character or the quality of the person underneath, so to believe white people are superior to black people (or vice versa) is ridiculous, and a sign of inner insecurity over personal identity.

 

 

[rashel Khan]

Thanks 

[Campion]

On 12/29/2021 at 3:55 PM, RobSS said:

Skin colour offers no clue as to the character or the quality of the person underneath, so to believe white people are superior to black people (or vice versa) is ridiculous, and a sign of inner insecurity over personal identity.

 

One of my (slowly) ongoing projects is to research the history of racial identity to understand how and why it all began, who were the protagonists in it, and what varieties have existed. So far I've discovered that in Northwest Europe at least, race wasn't much used as an identity until the mid 18th century, for reasons which aren't yet clear to me (people were well aware of the existence of other human cultures and forms, and had experienced many wars and conflicts with them). But at a point when the European elites were expanding their empires, racial identification began to be encouraged along with a variety of judgements such as moral, intellectual and religious. In fact this was the 'age of enlightenment' which saw an end to the 'age of faith', so maybe race was provided as a replacement for religious identity.  
  
I'm beginning to see signs of patterns where increased racial identity is coexisting with increasing conflict, discord and power broking. It could be that these are psychologically related, as in people seeking shelter in numbers within tribal communities, when they perceive existential threats. Or it could be that we are all being played and manipulated by agents who understand very well which buttons to press to achieve the goals in their agenda. 
  
Clearly my thinking is at an early stage and still a bit muddled and unstructured. But I thought I'd put it on the table as it may help if we can examine the issues from a broader historical perspective. Not that it's easy to find good quality unbiased sources of information. Hopefully some folks here can help me with this and save me from reinventing the wheel! 

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

19 minutes ago, Campion said:

One of my (slowly) ongoing projects is to research the history of racial identity to understand how and why it all began, who were the protagonists in it, and what varieties have existed. So far I've discovered that in Northwest Europe at least, race wasn't much used as an identity until the mid 18th century, for reasons which aren't yet clear to me (people were well aware of the existence of other human cultures and forms, and had experienced many wars and conflicts with them). But at a point when the European elites were expanding their empires, racial identification began to be encouraged along with a variety of judgements such as moral, intellectual and religious. In fact this was the 'age of enlightenment' which saw an end to the 'age of faith', so maybe race was provided as a replacement for religious identity. 

 

I would rather say European or Ethnic European than white, but they seem synonymous.

 

Greeks and Romans were discussing an identity, but it was in contrast to Libyans (North Africans) and Asians (Middle Easterners).

https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/12/07/race-ethnicity-and-racism-in-greco-roman-society/

 

23 minutes ago, Campion said:

I'm beginning to see signs of patterns where increased racial identity is coexisting with increasing conflict, discord and power broking. It could be that these are psychologically related, as in people seeking shelter in numbers within tribal communities, when they perceive existential threats. Or it could be that we are all being played and manipulated by agents who understand very well which buttons to press to achieve the goals in their agenda.

 

It's natural for people to be tribal, but elites encourage all the worst aspects of tribalism. One group is shamed into not having in-group preference too.

[Campion]

On 8/3/2022 at 11:22 PM, EnigmaticWorld said:

I would rather say European or Ethnic European than white, but they seem synonymous.

 

Greeks and Romans were discussing an identity, but it was in contrast to Libyans (North Africans) and Asians (Middle Easterners).

https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2020/12/07/race-ethnicity-and-racism-in-greco-roman-society/

 

Thanks for the link EW it's a good read. I got the 17th C. reference from wikipedia, I should have known better than to trust that, as obviously a highly biased source. I cancelled my monthly donation to them a while back, but haven't yet done the extra research needed. 

Re: white vs Ethnic European, the vocab we use for personal identity is all part of this. I used 'white' as it's commonly used although it's obviously not literally true.  But the MSM don't encourage us to think for ourselves about this; where for example do the racial categories come from which are used in censuses, surveys, HR systems etc? How can I research that too to look for political bias? 

 

On 8/3/2022 at 11:22 PM, EnigmaticWorld said:

It's natural for people to be tribal, but elites encourage all the worst aspects of tribalism. One group is shamed into not having in-group preference too.

 

Yeah, tribalism (or community to use a gentler term) can be manipulated if we're not spirituality/emotionally mature enough; or a source of great strength and support if we have a little wisdom. And no doubt the elite see themselves as a superior but secret tribe ruling over us little people in the exoteric world.

  

I wonder how the cult leaders deal with dissent and competition in their own ranks? A group of such ruthless and nasty people can hardly be trustworthy even to themselves can they? There must be an iron rule of discipline to avoid civil war within their ranks. 

Edited August 5, 2022 by Campion

[EnigmaticWorld]

2 hours ago, Campion said:

But the MSM don't encourage us to think for ourselves about this; where for example do the racial categories come from which are used in censuses, surveys, HR systems etc? How can I research that too to look for political bias?

 

Dunno mate. Probably the fruits of the long march through our institutions.

 

I think Bowden was right in his 'What Did They Die For?' speech about war vets.

 

"They were fighting for a degree of ethnic and racial pride that was unstated because the whole English conspectus didn’t really go on about that because it was accepted as a norm to begin with and therefore you didn’t need to illustrate it too much because it was a given before you even started. They were fighting for the flags that were behind them."

 

It was just accepted that we were a majority white European nation years ago, so there wasn't much need to bring it up . Now we're told that we're a nation of immigrants and that anyone can be English. While that's not totally untrue, we have been here longer than the Maori in New Zealand and they have indigenous status. People can be English or British nationals, but not everyone can be ethnically English. The Romans and Normans didn't even mix much with the general population.

 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530134-300-ancient-invaders-transformed-britain-but-not-its-dna/

 

The roots of my people don't look as diverse as the midwits claim, it's mostly tribes from North Western Europe.

 

 

I actually think Leftists care more about colour than Nationalists. I think they actually believe that Nationalists just hate darkies or anyone that looks different, but it's more about social cohesion and shared cultural norms than skin colour.

 

I doubt I would even use the term 'white' much if Leftists didn't bang on about it, but I also think it's suicidal to ignore identity politics if people are collectivizing under the POC banner against us, so I'm kind of forced to stick up for white folks because hyperindividualism means cultural suicide.

Edited August 5, 2022 by EnigmaticWorld