TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, jois said: Well yes. It's all photons at different wave lengths. It still has to come from somewhere. It doesn't magicaly appear as virtual photons. We establish that. Nor does it hang about like smog to be collected later. So where in the universe is this radiation comming from ? Stellar objects, our sun is not the only sun. Something being visible or not doesn't make it virtual, dark matter/energy is electromagnetism. I hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lake Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 While I have now read this thread .... may I just chuck in that old science (well from 1989) stated that there is "Order within chaos" (not out of chaos but already within it) .... THE STRANGE NEW SCIENCE OF CHAOS (1989) under an hour .... old tv stuff https://www.bitchute.com/video/SBtbidctn1fd/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, TheConsultant said: Stellar objects, our sun is not the only sun. Something being visible or not doesn't make it virtual, dark matter/energy is electromagnetism. I hope that helps. Ok we are getting somewhere its using the light from distant stars to generate electricity. Feasable ish if you set up collectors the size of large countries What magnatude less electricity would it generate compared to a solar panel. On a square foot basis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Considering a panel of LEDs 1 /27th the size of a solar panel can produce 3 times more power than a solar panel day AND night I suggest it doesn't need to your feasibility or not, its already happening. It doesn't need approval or even consensus across the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TheConsultant said: Considering a panel of LEDs 1 /27th the size of a solar panel can produce 3 times more power than a solar panel day AND night I suggest it doesn't need to your feasibility or not, its already happening. It doesn't need approval or even consensus across the world. Not from the light from distant stars it cant .you do release it cant produce more energy than it receives Edited September 12, 2022 by jois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, jois said: Not from the light from distant stars it cant lol. welcome to the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, lake said: While I have now read this thread .... may I just chuck in that old science (well from 1989) stated that there is "Order within chaos" (not out of chaos but already within it) .... THE STRANGE NEW SCIENCE OF CHAOS (1989) under an hour .... old tv stuff https://www.bitchute.com/video/SBtbidctn1fd/ I shall watch this later on whilst I tinker around with some pseudoscience. Thanks for the link. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, TheConsultant said: lol. welcome to the forum. You do release it cant produce more energy than it receives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jois said: You do release it cant produce more energy than it receives You do realise that in each square metre of freespace is more energy than in the known observable universe? A magnet can tap in to that and stellar radiation is just ONE way to tap in to free energy, as is stellar radiation. the vacuum energy of free space has been estimated to be 10−9 joules (10−2 ergs), or ~5 GeV per cubic meter. Hey, didn't I start with that? full circle again. Maybe when I ask questions its to provoke thought? and maybe repeatedly asking where does that energy in a magnet come from that keeps in stationary against the gravitational force was for good reason? Edited September 12, 2022 by TheConsultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, TheConsultant said: You do realise that in each square metre of freespace is more energy than in the known observable universe? A magnet can tap in to that and stellar radiation is just ONE way to tap in to free energy. the vacuum energy of free space has been estimated to be 10−9 joules (10−2 ergs), or ~5 GeV per cubic meter. Hey, didn't I start with that? full circle again. I don't think it's that much. I did know what it was at some point. But there is energy there but noway to establish a neutral .every where is at the same level so no potential difference. It's like birds sitting on a power line with 66.000 volts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, jois said: I don't think it's that much. I did know what it was at some point. But there is energy there but noway to establish a neutral .every where is at the same level so no potential difference. It's like birds sitting on a power line with 66.000 volts. Until it becomes grounded which is the negative part of the open circuit which I described earlier. Thanks for the analogy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 minute ago, TheConsultant said: Until it becomes grounded which is the negative part of the open circuit which I described earlier. Thanks for the analogy. We have done this. You have to return it to the source.you can't just send it to our earth. Otherwise we would all be dead already. It may be that zero point energy is the future. But we are several geniuses away from doing it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, jois said: We have done this. You have to return it to the source.you can't just send it to our earth. Otherwise we would all be dead already. It may be that zero point energy is the future. But we are several geniuses away from doing it now To be a closed loop you have to return it to the source. I am far from a genius myself and can do it so that bodes quite well for people doesn't it!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, TheConsultant said: To be a closed loop you have to return it to the source. I am far from a genius myself and can do it so that bodes quite well for people doesn't it!? How do you return it to the quantum field. When the quantum field has nether a neutral or an earth. It's all ' live' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, jois said: How do you return it to the quantum field. When the quantum field has nether a neutral or an earth. It's all ' live' I do not use the term quantum as it is scientifically meaningless, in fact its an oxymoron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, TheConsultant said: I do not use the term quantum as it is scientifically meaningless, in fact its an oxymoron. In what way is it an oxymoron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, jois said: In what way is it an oxymoron Quanta, quantity. Essentially quantum is mathematics, Quantum attempting to crow bar mathematics in to field theory. It doesn't work, but as long as you calculate from the perspective of waves of probability you can derive at accurate liklihoods but counting in terms of particles and bits of matter will never derive accuracy. So its a term without any real meaning in terms of what quantum mechanics actually appears to be. Which is the study of light without ever knowing what light is. Its not a photon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, TheConsultant said: Quanta, quantity. Essentially quantum is mathematics, Quantum attempting to crow bar mathematics in to field theory. It doesn't work, but as long as you calculate from the perspective of waves of probability you can derive at accurate liklihoods but counting in terms of particles and bits of matter will never derive accuracy. So its a term without any real meaning in terms of what quantum mechanics actually appears to be. Which is the study of light without ever knowing what light is. Its not a photon. That's not an oxymoron. Which is something which contains a logical inconsistencie. Ussualy a phrase I can't think of a single word that fits that definition. But they may exist The term derives from the fact that the energies in the field can only exist is pre determine units or quanta. So for simplicity sake they can only be say 3 6or 9 Never 1 5 or 7 sort of thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, jois said: That's not an oxymoron. Which is something which contains a logical inconsistencie. Ussualy a phrase I can't think of a single word that fits that definition. But they may exist The term derives from the fact that the energies in the field can only exist is pre determine units or quanta. So for simplicity sake they can only be say 3 6or 9 Never 1 5 or 7 sort of thing Predetermined energy levels, yes. Conservation of energy and paulis exclusion principle at play. But quanta being countable units of matter is why I suggest it is an oxymoron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 minute ago, TheConsultant said: Predetermined energy levels, yes. Conservation of energy and paulis exclusion principle at play. But quanta being countable units of matter is why I suggest it is an oxymoron. It still doesn't count as an oxymoron even if you doubt it's existence.the word or phrase has to be self contradictory like say government intelligence They aren't countable units of matter.they are countable energy levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 minute ago, jois said: They aren't countable units of matter.they are countable energy levels If that is the case then I stand corrected. However, quantum is still particle based whilst using wave propagation/mechanics for its calculations. Its a hybrid between reality and pseudoscience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, TheConsultant said: If that is the case then I stand corrected. However, quantum is still particle based whilst using wave propagation/mechanics for its calculations. Its a hybrid between reality and pseudoscience. Quantum fields are energy based. Particals are units of energy not matter.they don't become matter till they have met some friends and formed an atom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jois said: Quantum fields are energy based. Particals are units of energy not matter.they don't become matter till they have met some friends and formed an atom Everything is energy, including matter. Shall we bring it full circle again? all matter including dark, is electromagnetism at the fundamental level. In fact you can create matter from light. https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=119023 - Collisions of Light Produce Matter/Antimatter from Pure Energy Edited September 12, 2022 by TheConsultant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jois Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, TheConsultant said: Everything is energy, including matter. Shall we bring it full circle again? all matter including dark, is electromagnetism at the fundamental level. That's a true statement.however it dosent get away from the fact that quantum field are energy fields. Which seem to counter your objection to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheConsultant Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just now, jois said: That's a true statement.however it dosent get away from the fact that quantum field are energy fields. Which seem to counter your objection to it No my objection is to the term quantum and thinking of light as particles i.e. a photon. which has no baring in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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