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Just now, jois said:

Well yes. It's all photons at different wave lengths. It still has to come from somewhere. It doesn't magicaly appear as virtual photons. We establish that. Nor does it hang about like smog to be collected later.

 

So where in the universe is this radiation comming from ?


Stellar objects, our sun is not the only sun. Something being visible or not doesn't make it virtual, dark matter/energy is electromagnetism. I hope that helps.
 

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Just now, TheConsultant said:


Stellar objects, our sun is not the only sun. Something being visible or not doesn't make it virtual, dark matter/energy is electromagnetism. I hope that helps.
 

Ok we are getting somewhere its using the light from distant stars to generate electricity. Feasable ish if you set up collectors the size of large countries

 

What magnatude less electricity would it generate compared to a solar panel. On a square foot basis

 

 

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Considering a panel of LEDs 1 /27th the size of a solar panel can produce 3 times more power than a solar panel day AND night I suggest it doesn't need to your feasibility or not, its already happening. It doesn't need approval or even consensus across the world. 

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2 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:

Considering a panel of LEDs 1 /27th the size of a solar panel can produce 3 times more power than a solar panel day AND night I suggest it doesn't need to your feasibility or not, its already happening. It doesn't need approval or even consensus across the world. 

Not from the light from distant stars it cant .you do release it cant produce more energy than it receives

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9 minutes ago, lake said:

While I have now read this thread .... may I just chuck in that old science (well from 1989) stated that there is "Order within chaos" (not out of chaos but already within it) ....

 

THE STRANGE NEW SCIENCE OF CHAOS (1989)

under an hour .... old tv stuff

https://www.bitchute.com/video/SBtbidctn1fd/

 

 

I shall watch this later on whilst I tinker around with some pseudoscience. Thanks for the link.

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7 minutes ago, jois said:

You do release it cant produce more energy than it receives

You do realise that in each square metre of freespace is more energy than in the known observable universe? A magnet can tap in to that and stellar radiation is just ONE way to tap in to free energy, as is stellar radiation.

the vacuum energy of free space has been estimated to be 10−9 joules (10−2 ergs), or ~5 GeV per cubic meter.

Hey, didn't I start with that? full circle again. Maybe when I ask questions its to provoke thought? and maybe repeatedly asking where does that energy in a magnet come from that keeps in stationary against the gravitational force was for good reason? 

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Just now, TheConsultant said:

You do realise that in each square metre of freespace is more energy than in the known observable universe? A magnet can tap in to that and stellar radiation is just ONE way to tap in to free energy.

the vacuum energy of free space has been estimated to be 10−9 joules (10−2 ergs), or ~5 GeV per cubic meter.

Hey, didn't I start with that? full circle again. 

I don't think it's that much. I did know what it was at some point.

 

But there is energy there but noway to establish a neutral .every where is at the same level so no potential difference.

 

It's like birds sitting on a power line with 66.000 volts.

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Just now, jois said:

I don't think it's that much. I did know what it was at some point.

 

But there is energy there but noway to establish a neutral .every where is at the same level so no potential difference.

 

It's like birds sitting on a power line with 66.000 volts.

Until it becomes grounded which is the negative part of the open circuit which I described earlier. Thanks for the analogy.

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1 minute ago, TheConsultant said:

Until it becomes grounded which is the negative part of the open circuit which I described earlier. Thanks for the analogy.

We have done this. You have to return it to the source.you can't just send it to our earth. Otherwise we would all be dead already.

 

It may be that zero point energy is the future. But we are several geniuses away from doing it now

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Just now, jois said:

We have done this. You have to return it to the source.you can't just send it to our earth. Otherwise we would all be dead already.

 

It may be that zero point energy is the future. But we are several geniuses away from doing it now


To be a closed loop you have to return it to the source. I am far from a genius myself and can do it so that bodes quite well for people doesn't it!?



 

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Just now, TheConsultant said:


To be a closed loop you have to return it to the source. I am far from a genius myself and can do it so that bodes quite well for people doesn't it!?



 

How do you return it to the quantum field. When the quantum field has nether a neutral or an earth. It's all ' live'

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2 minutes ago, jois said:

In what way is it an oxymoron

Quanta, quantity. Essentially quantum is mathematics, Quantum attempting to crow bar mathematics in to field theory. It doesn't work, but as long as you calculate from the perspective of waves of probability you can derive at accurate liklihoods but counting in terms of particles and bits of matter will never derive accuracy. So its a term without any real meaning in terms of what quantum mechanics actually appears to be. Which is the study of light without ever knowing what light is. Its not a photon.

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Just now, TheConsultant said:

Quanta, quantity. Essentially quantum is mathematics, Quantum attempting to crow bar mathematics in to field theory. It doesn't work, but as long as you calculate from the perspective of waves of probability you can derive at accurate liklihoods but counting in terms of particles and bits of matter will never derive accuracy. So its a term without any real meaning in terms of what quantum mechanics actually appears to be. Which is the study of light without ever knowing what light is. Its not a photon.

That's not an oxymoron. Which is something which contains a logical inconsistencie. Ussualy a phrase I can't think of a single word that fits that definition. But they may exist

 

The term derives from the fact that the energies in the field can only exist is pre determine units or quanta.

 

So for simplicity sake they can only be say 3 6or 9

Never 1 5 or 7 sort of thing

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Just now, jois said:

That's not an oxymoron. Which is something which contains a logical inconsistencie. Ussualy a phrase I can't think of a single word that fits that definition. But they may exist

 

The term derives from the fact that the energies in the field can only exist is pre determine units or quanta.

 

So for simplicity sake they can only be say 3 6or 9

Never 1 5 or 7 sort of thing


Predetermined energy levels, yes. Conservation of energy and paulis exclusion principle at play. But quanta being countable units of matter is why I suggest it is an oxymoron.

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1 minute ago, TheConsultant said:


Predetermined energy levels, yes. Conservation of energy and paulis exclusion principle at play. But quanta being countable units of matter is why I suggest it is an oxymoron.

It still doesn't count as an oxymoron even if you doubt it's existence.the word or phrase has to be self contradictory like say government intelligence

 

They aren't countable units of matter.they are countable energy levels

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1 minute ago, jois said:

They aren't countable units of matter.they are countable energy levels


If that is the case then I stand corrected. However, quantum is still particle based whilst using wave propagation/mechanics for its calculations. Its a hybrid between reality and pseudoscience.

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Just now, TheConsultant said:


If that is the case then I stand corrected. However, quantum is still particle based whilst using wave propagation/mechanics for its calculations. Its a hybrid between reality and pseudoscience.

Quantum fields are energy based. Particals are units of energy not matter.they don't become matter till they have met some friends and formed an atom

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4 minutes ago, jois said:

Quantum fields are energy based. Particals are units of energy not matter.they don't become matter till they have met some friends and formed an atom


Everything is energy, including matter. Shall we bring it full circle again?  all matter including dark, is electromagnetism at the fundamental level.

In fact you can create matter from light.

https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=119023 - Collisions of Light Produce Matter/Antimatter from Pure Energy

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Just now, TheConsultant said:


Everything is energy, including matter. Shall we bring it full circle again?  all matter including dark, is electromagnetism at the fundamental level.

That's a true statement.however it dosent get away from the fact that quantum field are energy fields. Which seem to counter your objection to it

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Just now, jois said:

That's a true statement.however it dosent get away from the fact that quantum field are energy fields. Which seem to counter your objection to it

No my objection is to the term quantum and thinking of light as particles i.e. a photon. which has no baring in reality.

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