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59 minutes ago, Origin said:

Yes they do, but it is not forbidden to stand where they are standing. I always tell myself that even so-called experiencer have a right to indicate that there is much more to discover than the usual.  

 

Indeed. There are many secrets here.

 

But you won't find them if you limit yourself. If you won't go outside the bubble. Like these godlings. lol

Best to not be tribal at all... no bubbles.

 

What I do, I jump from bubble to bubble and see what everyone got.

Most have no clue. 

 

For example, I found how to affect the construct from Tibetans and shit. They have no idea what they got. 

I think they call it mudra prayers or something.

 

They make prayer, not for it... but thanking "god"  for the prayer that has already happened. 

 

If you look at anything through a lens... you will get a distorted picture. They have no clue what valuable information they got.

 

And someone like me that has no bubble, no lens no filter... comes along. I will take that, thank you.

 

Just a note:

Buddhists are one of the loveliest, kind people on the planet. Wonderful people. It's a joy and pleasure to be around them. Such a beautiful energy.

Unlike others. Lol

 

Merry Xmas, my friend.

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Guardian said:

 

 

Buddhists are one of the loveliest, kind people on the planet. Wonderful people. It's a joy and pleasure to be around them. Such a beautiful energy.

Unlike others. Lol 

 

 

 

What about you?

 

Are you a kind lovely person?

 

Also Thailand is 95 percent Buddhist yet it has a higher homicide rate than the USA.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Guardian said:

 

Indeed. There are many secrets here.

 

But you won't find them if you limit yourself. If you won't go outside the bubble. Like these godlings. lol

Best to not be tribal at all... no bubbles.

 

What I do, I jump from bubble to bubble and see what everyone got.

Most have no clue. 

 

For example, I found how to affect the construct from Tibetans and shit. They have no idea what they got. 

I think they call it mudra prayers or something.

 

They make prayer, not for it... but thanking "god"  for the prayer that has already happened. 

 

If you look at anything through a lens... you will get a distorted picture. They have no clue what valuable information they got.

 

And someone like me that has no bubble, no lens no filter... comes along. I will take that, thank you.

 

Just a note:

Buddhists are one of the loveliest, kind people on the planet. Wonderful people. It's a joy and pleasure to be around them. Such a beautiful energy.

Unlike others. Lol

 

Merry Xmas, my friend.

 

 

 

 

Secrets of creation and reality. Certainly factors to decipher them have a deeper meaning. As you said for that one has to leave the self-chosen mind prison.

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1 hour ago, Origin said:

Secrets of creation and reality. Certainly factors to decipher them have a deeper meaning. As you said for that one has to leave the self-chosen mind prison.

 

Indeed.

I never liked tribalism. I founded self limiting. 

 

And I love to be unlimited. No limit. lol

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7 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

What about you?

 

Are you a kind lovely person?

 

Also Thailand is 95 percent Buddhist yet it has a higher homicide rate than the USA.

 

 

 

He claims individuality(like he's the ultimate individual) for himself but stereotypes and makes denigrating sweeping generalizations against (attempting to deny/destroy their individuality) anyone who doesn't believe as he believes(and uses the GOD word), and then "lol's" aboout it. He believes his judgements are true...and he hates them; his" lessers", the "inferiors", points out and laughs at their "ignorance/stupidity" with a perverse pleasure....

He tries to mask it with "my friend" or "so sad", the empty words of a con-artist.

He's obviously primarily anti-Christ, that is his main object of scorn, the seething contempt for what Christ represents=TRUTH.

 

One need not accept the Jesus story to be True, but to be True one would not actively engage in an occupation of attack against them that do accept it.

"Godlings".

 

The arrogant and ego-dominated hate the strength and confidence of the humble, which they see as weakness and stupidity(inverted perception). And something to be exploited and abused..

....they will have their reward.

 

If he just went after the Roman hierarchy for the corrupted and compromised entity that it is, or specific instances of this elsewhere, I wouldn't be writing this, but , he's judging any and all people based on false premises, and attempting to use deception to support his point of view.

 

So, it's just instructive how the enemy of Christ operates.

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28 minutes ago, novymir said:

 

If he just went after the Roman hierarchy for the corrupted and compromised entity that it is, or specific instances of this elsewhere, I wouldn't be writing this, but , he's judging any and all people based on false premises, and attempting to use deception to support his point of view.

 

So, it's just instructive how the enemy of Christ operates.

 

Yes, that's a very good point. It's one thing to attack the corrupt Church of Rome and take an interest in how the early message of Jesus and its dominance throughout the ancient world was cleverly (or evily) hijacked by Constantine and his Judaiser advisers.....but quite another to attack Jesus and Christianity when it can generally be seen and demonstrated that throughout history Christians have achieved incredible things like ending slavery, forming the first schools for the poor, and generally striving for abstract goodness and salvation for all people.

 

Without wishing to get personal... I think it takes a particularly malicious personality type to have a reaction of hatred against the concept of Christianity, even though of course the church has ultimately failed under the assault of the Illuminati and its early foundations in paganism and its steering by Kabbalistic North African so called 'church fathers'.

 

Whenever anyone seems viciously angered by Christianity I always think of this passage from C.S.Lewis' That Hideous Strength......  Why would anyone want to hate Jesus?

 

     Meanwhile, in the Objective Room, something like a crisis had developed. As soon as they arrived there Mark saw that the table had been drawn back. On the floor lay a crucifix, almost life-size, a work in the Spanish tradition, ghastly and realistic. "We have half an hour to pursue our exercises," said Frost. Then he instructed Mark to trample on it and insult it in other ways.

 

     Now, whereas Jane had abandoned Christianity in early childhood, along with fairies and Santa Claus, Mark had never believed it at all. At this moment, therefore, it crossed his mind for the first time that there might conceivably be something in it. Frost, who was watching him carefully, knew perfectly well that this might be the result of the present experiment. But he had no choice. Whether he wished it or not, this sort of thing was part of the initiation.

     "But, look here," said Mark.

     "What is it?" said Frost. "Pray be quick."

     "This," said Mark, " this is all surely a pure superstition."

     "Well?"

     "Well, if so, what is there objective about stamping on the face? Isn't it just as subjective to spit on a thing like this as to worship it?"

     "That is superficial. If you had been brought up in a non-Christian society, you would not be asked to do this. Of course it is a superstition: but it is that particular superstition which has pressed upon our society for many centuries. It can be experimentally shown that it still forms a dominant system in the subconscious of many whose conscious thought appears to be wholly liberated. An explicit action in the reverse direction is therefore a necessary step towards complete objectivity. We find in practice that it cannot be dispensed with."

 

     Mark was surprised at the emotions he was undergoing. He did not regard the image with anything like a religious feeling. Most emphatically it did not belong to that idea of the Straight or Normal which had, for the last few days, been his support. The horrible vigour of its realism was, indeed, as remote from that Idea as anything else in the room. That was one source of his reluctance. To insult even a carved image of such agony seemed abominable. But it was not the only source. With the introduction of this Christian symbol the whole situation had altered, and become incalculable. His simple antithesis of the Normal and the Diseased had obviously failed to take something into account. Why was the crucifix there? Why were more than half the poison-pictures religious?"Pray make haste," said Frost. He was on the verge of obeying and getting the whole silly business over, when the defencelessness of the figure deterred him. Not because its hands were nailed and helpless, but because they were only made of wood and therefore even more helpless, because the thing, for all its realism, was inanimate and could not in any way hit back, he paused. The unretaliating face of a doll-one of Myrtle's dolls-which he had pulled to pieces in boyhood had affected him in the same way.

 

     "What are you waiting for, Mr. Studdock?" said Frost. Mark was aware of rising danger. Obviously, if he disobeyed, his last chance of getting out of Belbury alive might be gone. Even of getting out of this room. He was himself, he felt, as helpless as the wooden Christ. As he thought this, he found himself looking at the crucifix in a new way -neither as a piece of wood nor a monument of superstition but as a bit of history. Christianity was nonsense, but one did not doubt that the man had lived and had been executed thus by the Belbury of those days.

 

      And that, as he suddenly saw, explained why this image, though not itself an image of the Straight or Normal, was yet in opposition to crooked Belbury. It was a picture of what happened when the Crooked met the Straight-what would happen to him if he remained straight. It was, in a more emphatic sense than he had understood, a cross.

 

     "Do you intend to go on with the training or not?" said Frost. His eye was on the time. He knew that Jules must have very nearly reached Belbury, and that he might be interrupted at any moment. He had chosen this time for this stage in Mark's initiation partly in obedience to an unexplained impulse (such impulses grew more frequent with him every day), but partly because he wished, in the uncertain situation which had now arisen, to secure Mark at once. He and Wither and possibly (by now) Straik were the only full initiates in the N.I.C.E. On them lay the danger of making any false step in dealing with the man who claimed to be Merlin and with his mysterious interpreter. For him who took the right steps there was a chance of ousting all the others. He knew that Wither was waiting eagerly for any slip on his own part. Hence it seemed to him of the utmost importance to bring Mark as soon as possible beyond that point after which there is no return, and the disciple's allegiance both to the macrobes and to the teacher who has initiated him becomes a matter of psychological necessity.

 

     "Do you not hear what I am saying?" he asked. Mark was thinking, and thinking hard. Christianity was a fable. It would be ridiculous to die for a religion one did not believe. This Man himself, on that very cross, had discovered it to be a fable, and had died complaining that the God in whom he trusted had forsaken him-had, in fact, found the universe a cheat. But this raised a question that Mark had never thought of before. Was that the moment at which to turn against the Man? If the universe was a cheat, was that a good reason for joining its side? Supposing the Straight was utterly powerless, always and everywhere certain to be mocked, tortured, and finally killed by the Crooked, what then? Why not go down with the ship? He began to be frightened by the very fact that his fears seemed to have vanished. They had been a safeguard . . . they had prevented him, all his life, from making mad decisions like that which he was now making as he turned to Frost and said, "It's all bloody nonsense, and I'm damned if I do any such thing."

 

 

 

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It's interesting how they respond with accusations of hypocrisy, or victimization when they get called out for their overt, or thinly veiled attacks, which they knew beforehand and hoped they would provoke a defensive response, except that calling them out is merely seeing through their deception, no matter how much they try to twist it around and use inversion techniques to play the victim; they were/are the aggressor.

That's one example of passive aggressive.

Blame the "victim", especially when they refuse to be victimized.

 

It's pointless to argue or debate them. In outside internet land, they are ignored and avoided, if not, I turn the other cheek, then walk away.

 

If we don't get the below-the-surface level understanding of what's going on, the dynamics, then one might fall into the set trap, and say stuff that validates(indirectly) the lies that were stated as true. Just 2 egos validating each other to each other, validating error and illusion at the expense of The Real.

 

It's about individuality and free thought. It's about herding(projecting) individuals into illusury collective entities that are being fabricated and projected by the (mind of the)perpetrator, and thereby painting a guilt-by-association picture that may influence others operating at a more superficial level to perceive as the perpetrator(deceiver) wants them to see, which would be falsely, and not in their best interest.

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On 12/24/2021 at 4:34 PM, Guardian said:

This thread is still up, it seems. And this guy still paints David into something he is not.

 

You can break the forum rules as long as you are a religious fanatic, it seems.

 

Here is again David's clear take on religion. In case you missed it the last time. LOL

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DNKURlR7WaYG/

And it ain't about me, I'm just an instrument in service to The Truth.

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21 minutes ago, BlueSky said:

^^^^I got the impression you were in your 60's. I think I overestimated by about 50 years. 

Haha! I'm just a juvenile delinquent in a 60 year old body!

 

I'm still with Him/It, and It's using me as It sees fit. Sorry if it doesn't fit your idea of "ideal". I won't be cleansed completely til I exit this thing.

There I am...behind Him...

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5 minutes ago, novymir said:

Haha! I'm just a juvenile delinquent in a 60 year old body!

 

I'm still with Him/It, and It's using me as It sees fit. Sorry if it doesn't fit your idea of "ideal". I won't be cleansed completely til I exit this thing.

There I am...behind Him...

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I was expecting wrath, but you made me laugh :-)

That's a nice picture. I can see you!

One of your thrift shop finds?

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10 minutes ago, BlueSky said:

I was expecting wrath, but you made me laugh :-)

That's a nice picture. I can see you!

One of your thrift shop finds?

Glad you laughed 🙂

Oh, no, I don't really do "wrath". Some may perceive it as such though...I'm usually just very blunt. I like simple- to the point...they also can confuse confidence and certainty with arrogant grandiosity...well, it's not me; The Truth is not of this world, but It is operating within it, and it doesn't operate the way people expect it to, It does It's thing, in ways that are understandable to some, or one, or many, but maybe not all at once. It's Unlimited.

 

There are others It's using that are less tarnished than me...many others...but some here(this world) may not be inclined to seek them out because they're operating at too low of a level...so, there's those of us that are operating with a foot still in a lower level...

 

Yeah, I found the picture at a Goodwill store, I knew I was led to it.

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54 minutes ago, Origin said:

But you don't know what the truth is. How can you be an instrument for the truth if you cannot perceive when it is time to stop?

I know this is too simple, and probably comes off as a pathetic cliche, but;  Infinite Love IS the Only TRUTH. Accept or reject, IT won't force ITSELF on anyone. But don't blame IT for the alternative.

The time to stop is anytime. When time ends, the game ends. I won't be holding on til the bitter end.

++++++++++++++++++++++

 

ps;

You are Eternal Being, Precious beyond measure,

Beautiful beyond words, Worthy and Innocent beyond question,

Completely Lovable and Loving,,,

You Are as GOD Created You...Forever

As We All Are

 

TRUTH

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11 minutes ago, novymir said:

I know this is too simple, and probably comes off as a pathetic cliche, but;  Infinite Love IS the Only TRUTH. Accept or reject, IT won't force ITSELF on anyone. But don't blame IT for the alternative.

The time to stop is anytime. When time ends, the game ends. I won't be holding on til the bitter end.

It seems that in your world only those who are like you can fit in. But in reality we will be evaluated for the things we said. Where we speak in the name of something even though we can never grasp the whole picture. And Guardian will also have its place there. Infinite love is one aspect of how you can define it for yourself. For others it is rather infinite wisdom, maturity, knowledge and understanding. In the end it will be everything you can imagine.

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1 minute ago, Origin said:

It seems that in your world only those who are like you can fit in. But in reality we will be evaluated for the things we said. Where we speak in the name of something even though we can never grasp the whole picture. And Guardian will also have its place there. Infinite love is one aspect of how you can define it for yourself. For others it is rather infinite wisdom, maturity, knowledge and understanding. In the end it will be everything you can imagine.

We're All the same, In Truth.(REALITY)

 

I added something to the post while you were replying.

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3 minutes ago, Origin said:

Then tell me if that also applies to Guardian. 

 

Are you his boyfriend?

 

Why are you carrying his loaded bed-pan?

 

I know it's difficult to face life on your own as an independent being but you should try it.

 

Carry your own bed-pan, you don't need to burden yourself with other people's mess.

 

 

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Origin said:

It seems that in your world only those who are like you can fit in. But in reality we will be evaluated for the things we said. Where we speak in the name of something even though we can never grasp the whole picture. And Guardian will also have its place there. Infinite love is one aspect of how you can define it for yourself. For others it is rather infinite wisdom, maturity, knowledge and understanding. In the end it will be everything you can imagine.

 

Not only what we said but what we did. There is some wisdom with you...... but you don't need to make out Guardian to be the victim..... he tried kicking everyone's arse but he got his kicked in return and now he's nursing himself.

 

He came here swearing at people and abusing them for no reason, then making a ton of divisive threads trying to provoke trouble and set forummers against each other..... To try to paint him as the victim or a creature to be pitied now is a bit ridiculous.....

 

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Origin said:

Then tell me if that also applies to Guardian. 

Haha! Of course! That is, if there is any Reality in him.

This is internet land, it's different than "normal" human interactions, to me anyways.

He just got back what he was tossing on others...except; this was more truthful...

 

I deal with people as individuals.

 

 

I can guarantee you this was channelled from......Christ....a reafirmation,, my Brothers speaking to me and all.

 

"Please Don't Judas Me" Nazareth-

 

"Please don't Judas me

Treat me as you like to be treated
Please don't blacklist me
Leave me as you'd wish to find me
Don't analyze me, sacrifice me
Please don't Judas me

Please don't chastise me
Show me just one shred of kindness
Try to help me see
Guide me in my eyes of blindness
Don't despise me, categorize me
Please don't Judas me

No, no don't Judas me
No, please don't Judas me

Please don't head shrink me
Don't disguise your innuendos
Make no lies to me
I can see the way the wind blows
Don't debase me, annihilate me
Please don't Judas me

Please don't number me
Don't betray my trust and promise
Please don't anger me
I find it hard to bear no fairness
Don't frustrate me, manipulate me
Please don't Judas me

No, no don't Judas me
No, please don't Judas me

 

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7 minutes ago, Origin said:

He is an experiencer like me. And I know that he has witnessed something. And that is exactly what he has to find out. And that will get him further. No matter how hard it is..

He came here looking for answers... it might be that he's turning his back on THE Answer...here....but that's his perogative. I have no hate for anything, I have no hate, and only LOVE for that of The Real. Anything outside of The Real is NOTHING and NOWHERE.

There's lots of deadends here, and only ONE Way out.

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