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Was the God that Moses met actually a Jinn/Devil


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On 12/17/2021 at 7:55 PM, Kais_1 said:
So was the God that Moses met a Jinn/Devil?

Any answers appreciated?
 

 

Possibly, there is a thread on here about the God of the Old Testament is Satan. All that sacrifical offerings, the idea that burnt meat is apealing to God, it said so itself, it is a Jealous God, punishing innocent sons for the transgression of their ancestors. Does that sound like a perfect divine being to you?

 

It doesn't to me, I'm glad the one we call Jesus came to free us from the old ways. Those ways were Pagan and primitive, and could be anti God and anti love with the sacrifices, even of innocent animals, its barbaric and primitive. We've evolved beyond that now and Jesus came to put an end to all that. 

 

So I would say - Is the God of the OT satan or the devil or a jinn? Was the God Moses met the true creator? Doesn't matter, the New Testament releases us from the ways of the Old Testament and so it no longer matters. 

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1 hour ago, pi3141 said:

 

 

So I would say - Is the God of the OT satan or the devil or a jinn? Was the God Moses met the true creator? Doesn't matter, the New Testament releases us from the ways of the Old Testament and so it no longer matters. 

 

I do not think the OT God is Satan.

 

Satan is quite specific and the things which are done within the context of Satanist are specifically the things which the OT God forbade.....

 

But I would say that the OT God was possibly some kind of powerful spiritual entity which the Israelites had managed to contact.........

 

But ultimately, not GOD. Arguably...their God...... but not ACTUAL GOD.

 

That was Jesus who introduced the world to a truly transcendent God.

 

That's why I'm a Christian.

 

Because I am also into metaphysics and Jesus introducing the wholly novel idea that God is love and anything positive and good is invoking Jesus...well, it had never been tried before....


And it works.....at least.... if you really try to practise true Christianity...and you don't even need to go to Church to do that.

 

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

That was Jesus who introduced the world to a truly transcendent God.

 

I agree with that, a new or rather the true God and a new understanding of worship.

 

29 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

And it works.....at least.... if you really try to practise true Christianity...and you don't even need to go to Church to do that.

 

I agree with that too, if we all followed Jesus' teachings we would have Heaven on Earth. It really is quite simple, the truth is quite simple, we've been given the instruction, we just need to follow it.

 

31 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

I do not think the OT God is Satan.

 

But I would say that the OT God was possibly some kind of powerful spiritual entity which the Israelites had managed to contact.........

 

But ultimately, not GOD. Arguably...their God...... but not ACTUAL 

 

I would agree with that too, clearly the creator God described in Genesis was not Satan. But the jealous God Moses met was probably not the creator God and was probably another entity. 

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The God of Jesus Christ was the same God of the Prophets of the Old Testament. Jesus Christ couldn't have been clearer about that. He said so himself.

 

When he argued with the Jewish religious leaders who were against him, which scriptures do you think he based his ministry on?

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Kais_1 said:

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maybe its male and female 

 

fire being male

 

burning bush being earth...

 

what do you think?

 

 

“Through the Yesod, he goes into the woman in a place called Zion and Jerusalem. For here is the wife’s secret feminine place and it is called the uterus.”

 

It is possible that the Zohar is partially a kind of text based marital aid for inexperienced couples, or a form of sex education. In the Lesser Holy Assembly, the so-called Star of David or Seal of Solomon, according to the Zohar, is a symbol of sexual congress:

 

 

 

“Chokmah is the fire: I, and Binah is the water: H, the Father and Mother who, conjoined, produce the Son. Now the fire is symbolized by a triangle with the apex uppermost image.png.d8c54735b37d4a7b5f8acccc1dc13e06.png  , and water by  image.png.15cd8a8c3bb86fc061076ebf5a978c06.png, these two together united form  image.png.796fa014dbedd301f5cd3c645abb6482.png the sign of the Macrocosm, the external symbol of Vau: V, Microprosopus.”

 

Judaism is pretty clear when it comes to sexual license and such things, all though not strictly considered shameful are certainly not considered holy, they are most assuredly ‘things of the flesh that perisheth,” though notably this is a New Testament reference. In fact I had assumed that the Bible was globally censorious regarding ‘the sins of the flesh’ but to my surprise I found that it was largely the New Testament, not the Old Testament, which exhorts the mind to think on spiritual things.

 

This distinction is hardly made in the Old Testament and leads one to the suspicion of a certain unreformed carnality in the Jewish mind which the Christian mind rejects and sets itself with a view on higher and better things. The Old Testament however is full of sexual immorality, often committed by  the Israelites themselves. King David having sex with Bathsheba, then murdering her husband to cover up his immorality for example. The major sexual crimes in the Old Testament tend to refer to homosexuality or of Israelite women sleeping with non-Israelite men. Gross sexual license and carnality seems to be common in the Old Testament and indeed is most often the behaviour of Israel’s Kings for which they are chastised by the prophets and punished by God.

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Some people have a very rose-tinted view of the Israelites and of "God's people" in the OT, but they were often very unruly and prone to follow the ways of Paganism, which is why the character of God is so different in the OT. Regarding the OT and the condemnation of homosexuality, this has to be understood in the context of the times, and the reality that homosexuality was associated with Pagan rituals and temple prostitution. I know this has been discussed before, but the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is not a condemnation of homosexuality, per se, but a condemnation of forced sex.

 

 

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On 12/19/2021 at 5:17 PM, RobSS said:

Some people have a very rose-tinted view of the Israelites and of "God's people" in the OT, but they were often very unruly and prone to follow the ways of Paganism, which is why the character of God is so different in the OT. Regarding the OT and the condemnation of homosexuality, this has to be understood in the context of the times, and the reality that homosexuality was associated with Pagan rituals and temple prostitution. I know this has been discussed before, but the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is not a condemnation of homosexuality, per se, but a condemnation of forced sex.

 

 

These cities were full of sinners, like all cities. The story is mere propaganda used by men who desired power and sought it under the guise of religious liberation. Homosexuals were an easy target and I do not believe for 1 moment the inhabitants of Sodom tried to gang rape 2 angels! Perversion has become normal in todays society due to the ease of access to internet pornography and Sodom and Gomorrah have nothing on the internet browsing histories of half the people on this forum.

 

Temptation and sin are all around us, Moses had a strong moral compass and Satan would not have wasted his time appearing to him on the mountain. The burning bush was not a Jinn

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