Can violence ever be justified?

[Guest]

Can violence ever be justified? <<<< old question but I thought to ask again within the current drama?

 

I see many benevolent people state that the only way to nullify evil is by the giving of love and light. That one should never use violence.......but that peaceful disobedience or restriction of ones labour, whether by removal of service or not giving the monetised value of said labour to a particular corporation....is the 'way'.

Some others whom have considered and learnt the imposed legal (non true law) systems imposed upon all, are attempting to 'fight' by non violent means via the phrase “we can beat them by understanding and using their system against them.”

 

Well lets have a quick look....and I mean quick as I see this way of thinking de-construct its own dogma near immediately.

 

Before I go any farther.......as a side note....I understand or feel I do, that certain roles in the drama of this existence are required to be played.

By this I mean that if you happen to be in a situation where you are acting as submissive then another is needed to fulfil the action of dominant actor. So if some one dislikes the way you parked and acts aggressive then you are emotionally compelled to adopt the stance of either reflected aggression or victim. The problem with reflected negative emotions is that it necessitates one within this field of occurring scripted drama to back down through force or fear and then play subservient.

So then you will still have both roles emotionally being shown.

Now to 'unhinge' the drama....do not play the part you are meant to. Do not reflect, nor play the opposite.

Works every time and peoples faces.......well priceless.

 

So my question....Can violence ever be justified?

Asks for a simple reply to a simple 2nd question.

 

Would you kill another to protect the life of one you love if there was no other option but to kill them as they would never stop?

 

Thats it.

 

As far as I can see those without empathy can never respond to love, therefore leaving only....... ….?

[Macnamara]

8 minutes ago, ink said:

Can violence ever be justified?

 

Self defence is a natural law right

[Origin]

48 minutes ago, ink said:

 

 

So my question....Can violence ever be justified?

Asks for a simple reply to a simple 2nd question.

 

Would you kill another to protect the life of one you love if there was no other option but to kill them as they would never stop?

 

Thats it.

 

As far as I can see those without empathy can never respond to love, therefore leaving only....... ….?

No. It is the layer where consciousnesses wage war against themselves. And this war consists entirely of illusions. All you can do is study it. They fight over nothing.

Why should I destroy a machine that is inhabited by something that is lost? It can destroy mine. It would do me a favour... 

 

[Captainlove]

I would do what i could to protect my family. Its my duty as husband and father to protect them. as i am meant to be an alpha male.

[Mr H]

"So my question....Can violence ever be justified?

Asks for a simple reply to a simple 2nd question.

 

Would you kill another to protect the life of one you love if there was no other option but to kill them as they would never stop?"

 

Very interesting question that can be answered in so many ways.

 

I guess we would need to qualify the word justified. To me this is subjective. Therefore the answer is yes.

 

Answer to the last part - absolutely I would.

[Ethel]

As someone else here said, it is a natural law right. I would argue that it is also a responsibility, since we are all parts of the Godhead. We protect our body and mind, we also protect our spirit, our God aspect. Simple as that.

 

3 hours ago, ink said:

As far as I can see those without empathy can never respond to love, therefore leaving only....... ….?

 

This, however, I have a problem with. The cabal who run this world would not 'feel' a tiny handful of people sending them unconditional love. They would, however, be fully healed of their propensity for control if 8 billion people all offered them love.

 

Sorry, I know this view will not be popular. But people need to do their shadow work relative to the emotion of powerlessness. They need to understand that the people orchestrating this Convid scam are inherently weak in spiritual terms, which is why they resort to mass manipulation in order to get their needs met.

 

It needs to be considered that the so-called Illuminati deliberately traumatize their offspring in order to evoke psychopathy. That can be verified via the books of David Icke, Fritz Springmeier, Cathy O'Brien etc. 

 

It absolutely is possible to empathize with these people. Simply imagine your most powerless moment and feel the feelings associated with it. I went through a number of profoundly disempowering experiences at a very young age and know what powerlessness feels like. Thankfully my response to it doesn't go beyond stuff like smashing inanimate objects. For these people it goes as far as manipulating an entire species to enslave themselves.

 

And what of that species? What about their part in all of this? What about their culpability? If a psychopath cannot help being a psychopath, what of the 'normal' people of the world who just go whichever way the wind blows? Is that supposed to be some kind of ideal for living? "Yeah, I just do whatever another human being tell me to, without questioning it."

 

Edited December 11, 2021 by Ethel

[Captain Falcon]

Yeah as others have said self defense is a natural law right. It's a duty really as mother nature greatly favours the strong over the weak. The winner stays alive, the loser dies. Mother nature looks upon the weak with merciless eyes.

So by the law of nature I will do what I need to do to keep myself and my family alive and I will do what is necessary to protect myself and my family from violence and aggression.

 

Now if we could all get ourselves together spiritually/vibrationally or whatever so that violence wouldn't need to take place that would be preferable but life tends to lean towards the violence bit.

Didn't Jesus say love thy enemy? Can you still love them whilst defending yourself with deadly force if necessary?

 

I don't think it's a case of whether violence can be justified, I think it's more a case of survival. God knows, we've not quite reached that kill or be killed point yet. Hopefully it won't come to that.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Captain Falcon
typos

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, Captain Falcon said:

Didn't Jesus say love thy enemy?

 

he went to their place of work ie the temple precinct and he kicked over the money changers tables and whipped the fuck out of them

Edited December 11, 2021 by Macnamara

[novymir]

26 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

he went to their place of work ie the temple precinct and he kicked over the money changers tables and whipped the fuck out of them

Haha!...so sez your ego trying to use him for it's purposes; keep sleeping, keep dreaming, keep playing predator-prey/parasite-host, keep believing/living in lies.

 

 

ps; the thread question is based on fantasy.

 

ps,ps; exclusive love is not Real Love. It's a satanic counterfeit, for an OBVIOUSLY satanic world.

 

Who would fight and struggle to save and remain in "satan's" world, other than the deceived and the sellouts?

Edited December 11, 2021 by novymir

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, novymir said:

Haha!...so sez your ego trying to use him for it's purposes; keep sleeping, keep dreaming, keep playing predator-prey/parasite-host, keep believing/living in lies.

 

ps; the thread question is based on fantasy.

 

ps,ps; exclusive love is not Real Love. It's a satanic counterfeit, for an OBVIOUSLY satanic world.

 

Who would fight and struggle to save and remain in "satan's" world, other than the deceived and the sellouts?

 

have you had your jabs yet?

[novymir]

40 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

have you had your jabs yet?

Yet? My jabs? Strange language you use. I have no use for the fucking things, and I won't get "tested', won't wear a mask, and certainly won't be getting injected.

I won't comply with ANYTHING. They have ZERO legitimacy to me. Instruments of "satan/egoMatrix". I am an outlaw. I'm ready to leave this thing any day.

I'm only hanging around for a time to help people around me wake up and be ready.

Chaos is coming.

[Fluke]

19 hours ago, ink said:

 

So my question....Can violence ever be justified?

Asks for a simple reply to a simple 2nd question.

 

Would you kill another to protect the life of one you love if there was no other option but to kill them as they would never stop?

Yes. Violence is justified in certain situations. The predator will not take sorrow if they see you as the victim. Take for instance being approached by a low level thug on the street. You would fair better putting the predator in a false sense of security and then shocking them by hitting them in the jaw as hard and fast as one can. 

 

This is easier said than done and easy to talk on an internet forum. I am not a fighter nor do i like violence but this is what my martial arts instructor taught me. Keeping control of your adrenaline when you are in a state of fear is also something you need to bear in mind. Hesitate or leave it and your body is flooded with chemicals. If you can run or avoid it, do so. Some lunatic could be carrying a knife. 

 

This would be a life or death situation and you play as dirty as you can get. Stamp on the persons foot if you have to. Use whatever lethal force you can if you are in serious danger. But when walking the streets be aware of your surroundings at all times. Escape routes, things to pick up, weapons etc. 

 

The same goes for hostage situations. The science suggests you never ever comply. And its the same for women and men. If you are in a confrontation you make as much noise as possible. If you are walking down the street and some bloke asks you to get into the car, you scream, you run you fight. Even if they have a gun. The stats on these cases shows that what happens worse when you comply and go with the predator, what happens in a secondry crime scene is always worse. 

 

So its always better to avoid, run if possible. If you are trapped the stats suggest you fight with whatever capability you have. 

 

Again happy to be corrected as would hate for someone to follow this and get killed. I have never been a fighter and have lost my arse when punched a few times. Its not nice when someone is trying to physically hurt you. 

 

Other confrontations are usually ego battles or fights over women. Or reputation. You have a choice to walk away most of the time, but your social status is at play. We all have seen these types of fights.

 

2nd question yes i would do whatever i could to use lethal force against somebody trying to cause harm against me or my loved ones.

[Fluke]

Ironically just now some pikey tried startling me in his car with his bird whilst i was withdrawing cash from the cash machine. Thought i was going to have to put my advice into action

[Macnamara]

20 hours ago, novymir said:

Yet? My jabs? Strange language you use.

 

yes.....if you believe this is satans realm then you must be in a rush to leave it so why not go out and get your jabs then you can check out early?

[novymir]

47 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

yes.....if you believe this is satans realm then you must be in a rush to leave it so why not go out and get your jabs then you can check out early?

Hehe, I or anyone else who wants can check out anytime already. I'm not fucking around with their shit. Again ,THEY'RE NOT "MY JABS"!

I got nothing to do with their bullshit. Never have, never will.

It's not a "belief", Christ named it for what it is(this "world"), and it's been revealed to me as well.

 

ps; I can sense a little mind-fuckery going on with you towards me so I won't be engaging with you anymore.

Edited December 12, 2021 by novymir

[Macnamara]

49 minutes ago, novymir said:

ps; I can sense a little mind-fuckery going on with you towards me so I won't be engaging with you anymore.

 

don't worry, you just put your feet up

 

the rest of us will do the work to sort things out

[novymir]

15 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

don't worry, you just put your feet up

 

the rest of us will do the work to sort things out

Well then maybe you ought to disassociate from Christ then, and not use him/It to validate your errant beliefs and fantasies, and since you think things still need to be "sorted out" beyond yourself, and your own mind?

 

ps; you don't know me or what I do or don't do in this world.

 

bye-bye

Edited December 12, 2021 by novymir

[Macnamara]

8 minutes ago, novymir said:

Well then maybe you ought to disassociate from Christ then, and not use him/It to validate your errant beliefs and fantasies, and since you think things still need to be "sorted out" beyond yourself, and your own mind?

 

ps; you don't know me or what I do or don't do in this world.

 

bye-bye

 

you should take the jabs and boosters. This will have two positive effects:

a) you can escape what you see as satans realm

b) you won't be able to bend my ear about it anymore

[JJ73]

Can violence ever be justified? 

 

This is simply my opinion. No one else's.

 

It really depends on how 'violence' as a term, is defined.

 

If as an example I am not happy with the way things are going within the UK and I take on the authorities as an aggressor then I would say no, it is not justified.

 

If I am physically threatened by said authority figures which I feel could lead to violence perpetrated against me, I believe I absolutely have the right to hold them at bay however I feel it should be using only as much force as is needed to deflect that and no more.

 

[novymir]

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

you should take the jabs and boosters. This will have two positive effects:

a) you can escape what you see as satans realm

b) you won't be able to bend my ear about it anymore

I need not "escape", I've already been freed.

 

But thanks for your kindly advice anyways!

 

 

[Apotheosis]

20 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

you should take the jabs and boosters. This will have two positive effects:

a) you can escape what you see as satans realm

b) you won't be able to bend my ear about it anymore

 

 

Jesus and the Apostles speak of Satan as "god of this aion" and "god of this cosmos" and that its rulers, authorities and powers are evil.

[Apotheosis]

On 12/11/2021 at 3:35 PM, ink said:

Can violence ever be justified? <<<< old question but I thought to ask again within the current drama?

 

I see many benevolent people state that the only way to nullify evil is by the giving of love and light. That one should never use violence......

 

 

Does it matter? Do I care whether or not violence can be justified according to some ethical system someone chooses to impose upon life? Does it do me good to entrap my mind in legal principles and mistake them for real?

 

Love can manifest itself in violence. Light can do violence to darkness, just by being what it is. The Eastern Christians who said that the fires of Hell are the light of God as experienced by those who hate him understood this. These are facts, not laws.

 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Apotheosis

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, Apotheosis said:

Jesus and the Apostles speak of Satan as "god of this aion" and "god of this cosmos" and that its rulers, authorities and powers are evil.

 

this reality is what you make of it

 

if you want to be defeatist then you may as well take the death jabs and check out early

[novymir]

5 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

this reality is what you make of it

 

if you want to be defeatist then you may as well take the death jabs and check out early

No, it's not "defeatist", that's just some PRIDEFUL bullshit talk. Tail-chaser, wall head-banger...you're entitled to pursue your fantasies and believe your illusions are "real", that you're some great "creator" of "realities"...go for it...

Except...when you came into this realm, this dream of degradation(you would dispute this?), you threw it all away, you like everyone else here swallowed the pill of untruth, and as long as any bit of untruth is adhered to, you will be subject to it, and it will always come around and bite you in the ass, probably when you least expect it.

Those whom you label "defeatist" are actually the ones doing the real work, the work of shrinking this farce you call "reality", back into the NOTHINGNESS from which it came. When the time comes to go, we will, but on our or my(and GOD'S) terms. I like helping to shrink this thing. That is the Salvation Operation.

That from Beyond communicates through them that are open and willing, anytime, anywhere, and it doesn't validate untruth and fantasies:

CHRIST.