THE STARK REALITY::MAX IGAN SAYS THEY CROSSED THE FKING LINE::MUST WATCH.

[Morpheus]

Fuck Max Igan and fuck Jeff Berwick as well. Shills, trolls and fuckin conmen. 

 

 

[Mr H]

On 1/8/2022 at 10:58 AM, Morpheus said:

Fuck Max Igan and fuck Jeff Berwick as well. Shills, trolls and fuckin conmen. 

 

 

I looked at some of this and it looked like a really poor quality hit job attempt. Very loose accusations of connections with Israelis and then old attacking techniques accusing them of being meth heads and bisexuals with no evidence not that that would really demonstrate much.

 

So I didn't want to waste a whole hour watching the rest.

 

You make a big accusation.

 

Can you in a few sentences back that up?

[Morpheus]

45 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I looked at some of this and it looked like a really poor quality hit job attempt. Very loose accusations of connections with Israelis and then old attacking techniques accusing them of being meth heads and bisexuals with no evidence not that that would really demonstrate much.

 

So I didn't want to waste a whole hour watching the rest.

 

You make a big accusation.

 

Can you in a few sentences back that up?

Why don't you finish the video and make a conclusion from that yourself. Now of you believe Max came out of that looking rosy, then fine, the choice is yours. 

[Mr H]

I think people are looking for their messiah or saviour. A truther with a squeeky clean past who always tells the truth and nothing but the truth and has never done anything bad.....

 

Sorry not gonna happen. None of them exists especially in the truth community - normally people who have had difficult lives that go on these paths.

 

You will have to save yourself.

 

Just select information that is useful and discard anything else, don't hero worship any of these people...

 

I won't watch the rest of the video, because the first part was too poor a quality.

[Morpheus]

2 hours ago, Mr H said:

I think people are looking for their messiah or saviour. A truther with a squeeky clean past who always tells the truth and nothing but the truth and has never done anything bad.....

 

Sorry not gonna happen. None of them exists especially in the truth community - normally people who have had difficult lives that go on these paths.

 

You will have to save yourself.

 

Just select information that is useful and discard anything else, don't hero worship any of these people...

 

I won't watch the rest of the video, because the first part was too poor a quality.

Suit yourself, but then don't reject the information because you didn't watch the rest or how these people are linked, which Brendan does. 

 

I agree about the Messiah part and that's why I felt it prudent to share this because a lot of people on this forum watch these people. I've never been a fan of Igan and now I can see why. 

 

Berwick I've never taken to and again, I can see why. The other guy has only recently come into my space due to a video he did recently. 

 

Make whatever conclusion you want, but you're obviously not willing to have an open mind that these people are con artists and should be shown for as such. Remember, these people live off people's contributions and they're clearly not being honest about anything they put across. Disinfo and misinfo agents. In addition, Igan has called for people to be violent and use aggression, so another red flag there. 

 

Each to their own, but it's not poor information as you describe it at all. They're pieces of shit and it shows. Shame you didn't have an open enough mind to see the rest, sounds like you have you're own messiahs if you're not willing treat everyone with suspicion. Doesn't sound very truthy to question everything and everyone, if you're not actually willing to follow through with that. 

 

So do you want to elaborate on what's poor or are just leaving that vague comment to sway people from watching actually good information?

Edited January 11, 2022 by Morpheus

[novymir]

I like Max, I could hang out with Max, and I don't believe he's a shill or a con-man. He's still operating as a flawed human-being...so am I.

 

That other guy Brendan...nope....bad vibes with that dude...me thinks he projecteth shit too much, and expresses arrogance too much....and he's a covid virus believer...

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On 1/8/2022 at 10:58 AM, Morpheus said:

Fuck Max Igan and fuck Jeff Berwick as well. Shills, trolls and fuckin conmen. 

 

 

 

I've been watching / reading Max for many years. 

This video attacking him is complete bollox IMO. 

And yes I did actually watch it all. 

 

The creep that has made this cringey hit piece is an ill informed twat IMO. 

 

I don't agree with everything Max says and thinks. Max isn't my Messiah. He's human. He's real. He does his best as he sees things. 

 

He's not a drug addict. But does smoke some herb. He's done the Ayahuasca ceremony several times. 

But these things don't add up to the label 'drug addict'. 

 

He slipped out of Australia (good luck to him) with a perfectly plausible explanation. 

 

Any aspects you'd like to discuss, ask away...

 

BC :0)

[Morpheus]

6 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

I've been watching / reading Max for many years. 

This video attacking him is complete bollox IMO. 

And yes I did actually watch it all. 

 

The creep that has made this cringey hit piece is an ill informed twat IMO. 

 

I don't agree with everything Max says and thinks. Max isn't my Messiah. He's human. He's real. He does his best as he sees things. 

 

He's not a drug addict. But does smoke some herb. He's done the Ayahuasca ceremony several times. 

But these things don't add up to the label 'drug addict'. 

 

He slipped out of Australia (good luck to him) with a perfectly plausible explanation. 

 

Any aspects you'd like to discuss, ask away...

 

BC :0)

So why is it bollocks then and how is he ill informed? Max is clearly off his face in those videos mumbling absolute shite. But yeah sure, it's Brendan who is full of shit. Maybe you should watch his other videos and I would challenge the ill informed part. 

 

Oh, and what about Jeff then? What's your thoughts on what was said about him? Pretty damning in my opinion. 

Edited January 13, 2022 by Morpheus

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5 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

So why is it bollocks then and how is he ill informed? Max is clearly off his face in those videos mumbling absolute shite. But yeah sure, it's Brendan who is full of shit. Maybe you should watch his other videos and I would challenge the ill informed part. 

 

Oh, and what about Jeff then? What's your thoughts on what was said about him? Pretty damning in my opinion. 

 

I watched that video of Max completely out of it and making no sense when it was first uploaded. 

He clearly had some sort of problem. 

He removed that video later and then went on to give an explanation of what he thought happened. 

 

He doesn't think that the Earth is flat. He doesn't think it's a Ball either. He is one of many who think we live in a 'Realm' - very much like the Matrix idea of a holographic projected reality - also like DI believes. 

 

So... He had an 'episode' - A breakdown - an attack - whatever you want to call it. 

He'd been following the Ozzy fires very closely and had exposed a lot of the bullshit surrounding the mainstream narrative of the fires. 

Perhaps he 'burnt out' - pun intended. 

Maybe he was targeted. 

Maybe he had a breakdown. 

Not related to drug use IMO. 

 

Either way he settled back down to his usual self fairly quickly. 

 

Jeff...  

Jeff helped get Max out of Ozz as far as I know. They knew each other from speaking at the Anarchy Events in Mexico over the years. A loose friendship that came in handy. 

 

I didn't know much about Jeff until Max popped up in Mexico. 

 

I did a little digging. All the search engines immediately produce hit pieces on Jeff. As we know - real info is buried deep under bullshit most of the time. 

 

Jeff was an early proponent of cripto currency.

He's accused of ripping people off over passports / visas for Mexico. 

It would seem that the contact he had on the inside helping sort out the passports let him down. 

Things go wrong sometimes. 

He's not stupid and is fully aware of the Covid bollox and the NWO take over. 

I've since started watching his videos and find them funny and much needed light relief in these dark times. 

He's set himself up in the best county at the moment. 

Mexico. 

No mandates planned for the immediate future. 

Everyone is headed for Mexico and good luck to them. If I could, I'd be in Mexico right now too.. 

BC :0)

 

[Mr H]

On 1/11/2022 at 10:17 AM, Morpheus said:

Suit yourself, but then don't reject the information because you didn't watch the rest or how these people are linked, which Brendan does. 

 

I agree about the Messiah part and that's why I felt it prudent to share this because a lot of people on this forum watch these people. I've never been a fan of Igan and now I can see why. 

 

Berwick I've never taken to and again, I can see why. The other guy has only recently come into my space due to a video he did recently. 

 

Make whatever conclusion you want, but you're obviously not willing to have an open mind that these people are con artists and should be shown for as such. Remember, these people live off people's contributions and they're clearly not being honest about anything they put across. Disinfo and misinfo agents. In addition, Igan has called for people to be violent and use aggression, so another red flag there. 

 

Each to their own, but it's not poor information as you describe it at all. They're pieces of shit and it shows. Shame you didn't have an open enough mind to see the rest, sounds like you have you're own messiahs if you're not willing treat everyone with suspicion. Doesn't sound very truthy to question everything and everyone, if you're not actually willing to follow through with that. 

 

So do you want to elaborate on what's poor or are just leaving that vague comment to sway people from watching actually good information?

 

Hi, to confirm I don't hold anyone to be messiah - and any information I receive externally I treat with a pinch of salt until I can verify it in my experience - regardless of who they are.

 

I am also open minded and am open to these two people to being shills or whatever. I am open actually to all possibilities in all things.

 

BUT. I value my time. A LOT!

 

And you posted a very long video - which I have tried to watch.

 

But when someone frames their arguments from the start - with "they're a drug addict, they like trannies" - what kind of nonsense framing is this? This is just really low level attack and doesn't entice me to spend 45 minutes more of my life listening to someone who uses this in their arguments.

 

That's just me. Not a personal attack on you and not to say that these people could be frauds.

[Morpheus]

47 minutes ago, Mr H said:

 

Hi, to confirm I don't hold anyone to be messiah - and any information I receive externally I treat with a pinch of salt until I can verify it in my experience - regardless of who they are.

 

I am also open minded and am open to these two people to being shills or whatever. I am open actually to all possibilities in all things.

 

BUT. I value my time. A LOT!

 

And you posted a very long video - which I have tried to watch.

 

But when someone frames their arguments from the start - with "they're a drug addict, they like trannies" - what kind of nonsense framing is this? This is just really low level attack and doesn't entice me to spend 45 minutes more of my life listening to someone who uses this in their arguments.

 

That's just me. Not a personal attack on you and not to say that these people could be frauds.

Noted our kid and I didn't take it as a personal attack on me either, but I don't trust them. 

 

My opinion of course, but I feel people should be very careful to listen to two men that appear to be conmen. That Berwick individual is definitely a conman, video of him in the above trying to worm out of scamming someone for a Mexican passport. I appreciate you couldn't put yourself through it which is a shame, not sure how much you watched, but the rest is damning in my opinion and Max is clearly off his face mumbling absolute cod shit. Each to their own of course.

[Morpheus]

On 1/13/2022 at 11:46 AM, Basket Case said:

 

I watched that video of Max completely out of it and making no sense when it was first uploaded. 

He clearly had some sort of problem. 

He removed that video later and then went on to give an explanation of what he thought happened. 

 

He doesn't think that the Earth is flat. He doesn't think it's a Ball either. He is one of many who think we live in a 'Realm' - very much like the Matrix idea of a holographic projected reality - also like DI believes. 

 

So... He had an 'episode' - A breakdown - an attack - whatever you want to call it. 

He'd been following the Ozzy fires very closely and had exposed a lot of the bullshit surrounding the mainstream narrative of the fires. 

Perhaps he 'burnt out' - pun intended. 

Maybe he was targeted. 

Maybe he had a breakdown. 

Not related to drug use IMO. 

 

Either way he settled back down to his usual self fairly quickly. 

 

Jeff...  

Jeff helped get Max out of Ozz as far as I know. They knew each other from speaking at the Anarchy Events in Mexico over the years. A loose friendship that came in handy. 

 

I didn't know much about Jeff until Max popped up in Mexico. 

 

I did a little digging. All the search engines immediately produce hit pieces on Jeff. As we know - real info is buried deep under bullshit most of the time. 

 

Jeff was an early proponent of cripto currency.

He's accused of ripping people off over passports / visas for Mexico. 

It would seem that the contact he had on the inside helping sort out the passports let him down. 

Things go wrong sometimes. 

He's not stupid and is fully aware of the Covid bollox and the NWO take over. 

I've since started watching his videos and find them funny and much needed light relief in these dark times. 

He's set himself up in the best county at the moment. 

Mexico. 

No mandates planned for the immediate future. 

Everyone is headed for Mexico and good luck to them. If I could, I'd be in Mexico right now too.. 

BC :0)

 

So what about the Zen Gardner stuff? Just another mistake? 

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4 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

So what about the Zen Gardner stuff? Just another mistake? 

 

I'm a bit rusty on the Zen Gardener stuff. Long time ago now. I used to read his stuff often. 

I remember being shocked when I stumbled across some information on what he was doing / did.. 

I would guess that it took a lot of people by surprise..? 

BC 

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2 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

I'm a bit rusty on the Zen Gardener stuff. Long time ago now. I used to read his stuff often. 

I remember being shocked when I stumbled across some information on what he was doing / did.. 

I would guess that it took a lot of people by surprise..? 

BC 

 

And to add to this.. 

The first reaction was of disbelief and suspicion that the info was a hit piece and incorrect. Did others in the 'truth community' also assume it was slander / lies at first, until all the facts and statements came out..? 

BC 

[Morpheus]

4 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

I'm a bit rusty on the Zen Gardener stuff. Long time ago now. I used to read his stuff often. 

I remember being shocked when I stumbled across some information on what he was doing / did.. 

I would guess that it took a lot of people by surprise..? 

BC 

Yeah I'd say so mate, Icke himself came out against it all at the time if I remember and he distanced himself from Max as a result. 

[Morpheus]

1 minute ago, Basket Case said:

 

And to add to this.. 

The first reaction was of disbelief and suspicion that the info was a hit piece and incorrect. Did others in the 'truth community' also assume it was slander / lies at first, until all the facts and statements came out..? 

BC 

It was a while ago, I'd say mid to late naughties, but I don't think it out Max in a great light because he defended him. 

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3 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

It was a while ago, I'd say mid to late naughties, but I don't think it out Max in a great light because he defended him. 

Didn't he change his stance once he had seen all the available information ? 

Again, long time ago now..