Darkness & Light

[atenea]

Does the Light always win over the Darkness? Does it HAVE to win?

Are they co-existing on equal measure in the Universe at all times?

If so, why do we worry? if there is horror and suffering, we should be okay with it, as it's meant to be this way, it will change anyway, as everything is ever changing.

 

And, more importantly: Is the Light the origin of the Darkness or is the Darkness the origin of the Light?

[Food for thought: the Sun is black. We only perceive it as white light because we have an atmosphere, but the Sun seen from outer space is black.]

 

If the Sun is black but it's the 'giver of life', it is so in this planet, but not outside. Do the other planets and space bodies receive Light from other stars? if they don't have an atmosphere like ours, how can they receive Light? therefore, do they feed off Darkness?

 

[Origin]

8 hours ago, atenea said:

Does the Light always win over the Darkness? Does it HAVE to win?

Are they co-existing on equal measure in the Universe at all times?

If so, why do we worry? if there is horror and suffering, we should be okay with it, as it's meant to be this way, it will change anyway, as everything is ever changing.

 

And, more importantly: Is the Light the origin of the Darkness or is the Darkness the origin of the Light?

[Food for thought: the Sun is black. We only perceive it as white light because we have an atmosphere, but the Sun seen from outer space is black.]

 

If the Sun is black but it's the 'giver of life', it is so in this planet, but not outside. Do the other planets and space bodies receive Light from other stars? if they don't have an atmosphere like ours, how can they receive Light? therefore, do they feed off Darkness?

 

And what if you just can't see something crucial with your eyes? You are infinitely tiny and all you perceive are apparent movements of so-called sequences. And that all serves to keep you and everyone else from getting lost in it. Nothing can win because it is the same. Apparent diversity prevents endless solidification.

[Guest m754]

8 hours ago, atenea said:

Does the Light always win over the Darkness? Does it HAVE to win?

Are they co-existing on equal measure in the Universe at all times?

If so, why do we worry? if there is horror and suffering, we should be okay with it, as it's meant to be this way, it will change anyway, as everything is ever changing.

 

And, more importantly: Is the Light the origin of the Darkness or is the Darkness the origin of the Light?

[Food for thought: the Sun is black. We only perceive it as white light because we have an atmosphere, but the Sun seen from outer space is black.]

 

If the Sun is black but it's the 'giver of life', it is so in this planet, but not outside. Do the other planets and space bodies receive Light from other stars? if they don't have an atmosphere like ours, how can they receive Light? therefore, do they feed off Darkness?

 

 

Presuming that Light and Darkness imply Good vs Evil in this question---Neither wins over the other, Ultimately. The opposites take form merely to play the game. The difference is perceptual.. The Ultimate Realization is that both are One. The path of 'Good' is the path to Oneness and Love and the path of 'Evil' is what takes us away from our true nature. Ultimately--All IS God and all is subsumed in Him. 

 

Neither gives rise to the other. At the point of creation all arise at once. One cannot have a contrasting characteristic or condition without something to contrast with...

 

Light can be understood esoterically to be the point where ego awareness looked at creation consciously or activated it. Potential to kinetic...sort of..

 

The Giver of Life is God, all else are animated by his power.

 

Even in the deepest darkest caverns, depths of oceans, inside our bodies, invisible spaces, Life exists.. Some animals 'see' differently..

 

Whichever shape or form, the play of Creation were to take...the Power source is One.

 

The physical sun does not give life. Life can go on in shapes and forms and conditions we cannot imagine/ visualize. These objects are merely the forms we are seeing in a certain way, and have assigned them certain power because that is all we can decipher.

 

 

 

8 hours ago, atenea said:

if there is horror and suffering, we should be okay with it, as it's meant to be this way, it will change anyway, as everything is ever changing.

 

We have to tread carefully here. The conundrum of Free will is misunderstood and liable to be misused. One might erroneously conclude—this is a deterministic universe and God did this or that and not me.

First of all, every single minutiae are not controlled by the God program, only the broad outline.

 

Secondly, within the smaller choices at every moment,  (where again one can still argue that the choice itself was made by God)--The Litmus test is that if you are aware of making a choice and know the repercussions and intent of that choice, you own the action. There would not be a choice otherwise.

 

Even psychopaths start out with choices---they overpower the voice of God and make the wrong choice until they become psychopaths.

 

As you practise this, you move to a stage of choiceless awareness, where you are not making any choice but God is working through you directly. That is the stage of sages. Many withdraw from any action and any action offered to them is by God himself.

 

The transactional physical world will go on with its own cycle of cause and effect.

 

It is an appearance and temporary but not meaningless.

 

There is a reason for that appearance and we have to use it as a laboratory to experiment with self-discovery.

 

What is transitory and impermanent is the materialisation of objects and forms that we see. What they arose out of is not Unreal or Impermanent--it is the source energy and it carries a memory of what the experimental body suit discovered.

 

There can be a wrong understanding that if the universe is ever-changing, why bother?

There is no randomness in the nature of this change.. There is a method in the madness.

 

 

 

[atenea]

17 hours ago, m754 said:

 

Presuming that Light and Darkness imply Good vs Evil in this question---Neither wins over the other, Ultimately. The opposites take form merely to play the game. The difference is perceptual.. The Ultimate Realization is that both are One. The path of 'Good' is the path to Oneness and Love and the path of 'Evil' is what takes us away from our true nature. Ultimately--All IS God and all is subsumed in Him. 

 

Neither gives rise to the other. At the point of creation all arise at once. One cannot have a contrasting characteristic or condition without something to contrast with...

 

Light can be understood esoterically to be the point where ego awareness looked at creation consciously or activated it. Potential to kinetic...sort of..

 

The Giver of Life is God, all else are animated by his power.

 

Even in the deepest darkest caverns, depths of oceans, inside our bodies, invisible spaces, Life exists.. Some animals 'see' differently..

 

Whichever shape or form, the play of Creation were to take...the Power source is One.

 

The physical sun does not give life. Life can go on in shapes and forms and conditions we cannot imagine/ visualize. These objects are merely the forms we are seeing in a certain way, and have assigned them certain power because that is all we can decipher.

 

 

 

 

We have to tread carefully here. The conundrum of Free will is misunderstood and liable to be misused. One might erroneously conclude—this is a deterministic universe and God did this or that and not me.

First of all, every single minutiae are not controlled by the God program, only the broad outline.

 

Secondly, within the smaller choices at every moment,  (where again one can still argue that the choice itself was made by God)--The Litmus test is that if you are aware of making a choice and know the repercussions and intent of that choice, you own the action. There would not be a choice otherwise.

 

Even psychopaths start out with choices---they overpower the voice of God and make the wrong choice until they become psychopaths.

 

As you practise this, you move to a stage of choiceless awareness, where you are not making any choice but God is working through you directly. That is the stage of sages. Many withdraw from any action and any action offered to them is by God himself.

 

The transactional physical world will go on with its own cycle of cause and effect.

 

It is an appearance and temporary but not meaningless.

 

There is a reason for that appearance and we have to use it as a laboratory to experiment with self-discovery.

 

What is transitory and impermanent is the materialisation of objects and forms that we see. What they arose out of is not Unreal or Impermanent--it is the source energy and it carries a memory of what the experimental body suit discovered.

 

There can be a wrong understanding that if the universe is ever-changing, why bother?

There is no randomness in the nature of this change.. There is a method in the madness.

 

 

 

I pretty much agree with what you say - although there are a couple of bits where I have to focus a bit more to try to understand what you mean :) .

 

Other aspects to discuss:

 

1. God, or The One is the creator. But we are also God.

 

2. The Sun is the giver of life in this physical plane. Even those beings who live in the darkness and have no direct sunlight or heat, they have somehow the influences of the Sun's radiation or the effect the Sun has in the atmosphere's radiation and it's consequent effect/ripples in the oceans, skies and earth.

 

3. When you say the path of 'evil' takes us away from our true nature - hmm... I would have to say here that evil is part of our true nature, since we are All, and we are The One, we include Light and Darkness, Good and Evil inside us. If we make an analogy with evil and ego, we are also ego, ego being a lower frequency representation or aspect of All we are. If we encompass everything, as you say it's all down to choice and consequence, and yes of course it all has a meaning, it's the experience of separation and living what the lower realms of frequency mean to the spirit. If we choose to experience evil, there are consequences, but in the wider spectrum of things, it's all part of Love, and all part of What Is. And even, getting 'stuck' in darkness, we can always choose to rise. There is always a choice. Always.

 

 

[Guest m754]

2 hours ago, atenea said:

1. God, or The One is the creator. But we are also God.

 

This has been clarified as follows in some books--

 

We are God in Ultimate form, not as long as we are identified with this ego-body-mind. To call oneself God while identified as a name and form in this world will be wrong.

The idea of God is often described as a field or ocean of energy, within which we are the waves- small waves or big waves... While it is correct that we arise out of the ocean, but as long as we identify with the small or big wave form, we are not yet God in true form. We carry the nature of that Godness, but we have forsaken that by being limited in body identification. 

 

Unless this gap is identified and bridged, any spiritual journey will start and end with another egoistical declaration of I am God and therefore and I am this, or that etc.. which would be a form of hubris..we need to start with some humility first. 

 

Therefore to say we are God or Pure Consciousness we need to qualify that with the following—in the ultimate or true nature.

 

We carry the potential and choice now of leaving the death-grip on this fake reality and instead identify with the true self. We cannot both identify as the wave and the ocean. The ocean can say it is the wave as well as all the water, everything... But while still only feeling like a small wave/ trapped in limited identity, the small wave is not in a position to make that declaration.

 

At the first stage, to wake people up, eg. for those who are suffering or have been through difficult life experiences, we empower them by saying-You are God. You are Pure Consciousness. This is like telling a memory loss patient what his name and address is. It is tattooed everywhere, the clues are in books, idols, temples, imagery staring at us, but we still forget our true name and address.

Second stage, once the memory loss patient gains faith and confidence, you tell them that the way home is by leaving your death grip on this erroneous body-mind identification you have established and which is keeping you caught in certain time-space coordinates within that infinite field of love such that the same horror movie plays out to match the limited identity you occupy. You let go of identifying with the body vessel and you are set free to go home.

Third stage, once you reach home, ie. merge with the God field, there is no need to say I am God because God form has no memory loss. God form has no concept of I-ness. It just IS. Further description of that stage is beyond our imagination, but it’s a state of Unity and all-encompassing Love. The more you can emulate these God form qualities at stage 2 of your journey, the shorter will be the journey home.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2021 by m754

[atenea]

19 hours ago, m754 said:

 

This has been clarified as follows in some books--

 

We are God in Ultimate form, not as long as we are identified with this ego-body-mind. To call oneself God while identified as a name and form in this world will be wrong.

The idea of God is often described as a field or ocean of energy, within which we are the waves- small waves or big waves... While it is correct that we arise out of the ocean, but as long as we identify with the small or big wave form, we are not yet God in true form. We carry the nature of that Godness, but we have forsaken that by being limited in body identification. 

 

Unless this gap is identified and bridged, any spiritual journey will start and end with another egoistical declaration of I am God and therefore and I am this, or that etc.. which would be a form of hubris..we need to start with some humility first. 

 

Therefore to say we are God or Pure Consciousness we need to qualify that with the following—in the ultimate or true nature.

 

We carry the potential and choice now of leaving the death-grip on this fake reality and instead identify with the true self. We cannot both identify as the wave and the ocean. The ocean can say it is the wave as well as all the water, everything... But while still only feeling like a small wave/ trapped in limited identity, the small wave is not in a position to make that declaration.

 

At the first stage, to wake people up, eg. for those who are suffering or have been through difficult life experiences, we empower them by saying-You are God. You are Pure Consciousness. This is like telling a memory loss patient what his name and address is. It is tattooed everywhere, the clues are in books, idols, temples, imagery staring at us, but we still forget our true name and address.

Second stage, once the memory loss patient gains faith and confidence, you tell them that the way home is by leaving your death grip on this erroneous body-mind identification you have established and which is keeping you caught in certain time-space coordinates within that infinite field of love such that the same horror movie plays out to match the limited identity you occupy. You let go of identifying with the body vessel and you are set free to go home.

Third stage, once you reach home, ie. merge with the God field, there is no need to say I am God because God form has no memory loss. God form has no concept of I-ness. It just IS. Further description of that stage is beyond our imagination, but it’s a state of Unity and all-encompassing Love. The more you can emulate these God form qualities at stage 2 of your journey, the shorter will be the journey home.

 

 

 

Not all of us identify with the ego/material form with the same level of intensity.

Saying that we are all God doesn't mean, by any means, to be in our ego.

What is, is.

[Origin]

From my perspective, we are not even close to the potential of the great unknown. I see myself more as an incredibly tiny immature thing that has something very specific to study here. And it could be that humans do not yet understand crucial things. To say that we are the same is very daring without considering that the next Layer, the non-corporeal Layer, is also not understood by humans. Unexpected contexts will probably emerge the further it goes in the maturing process. But this does not matter because everyone goes their own unique path. Belief will be replaced by many different levels of understanding and then it will be understood from a perspective where human knowledge no longer plays a role.

[novymir]

It's all a fraud, this world is fundamentally evil. It is everything Reality is not, and Reality is Everything this world is not. This world is a 2-faced hypocrite. A self-serving artificial construct based on an idea(of self) like itself.

It's a dream or fantasy of rejecting of GOD/TRUTH.

The one(us) who wanted to be "special" and above others, who thought it was enslaved, and unfairly restricted, dreams a world of it's own making. The one that asked GOD for something IT cannot and will not give. Pouts in the corner and dreams delusional things. Now it's in over it's head, it and everyone else in this thing is enslaved and tortured by the ego-entity that is The Matrix. So, that consciousness that decided to disconnect from Truth dreams up the world as it saw it(falsely) by listening to ego and allowing ego to become an artificial, fraudulent "god". EgoMatrix.

We are the fragments.

It's no big deal really, it was just a joke taken seriously or tested. The results speak for themselves.

No need to guilt-trip about it, it really is NOTHING and NOWHERE. So-called illusion...as if it's some Divine playground....(not this one,,, this one is a meatgrinder and a mind-fucker).

The Truth cannot be really rejected or escaped, it can only be ignored or repressed inside, but that is THE REAL, THE LIFE, THE ETERNAL that is being ignored and repressed, slandered, plagarized, minimized, attacked, counterfeited, this is basically what we have been doing...when The Real has had enough of this shit, It Will assert ItSelf,, then it's ; bye-bye.

 

"Non-human" means devoid of Spirit/Truth=anti-Christ=ego.

 

 

Christ called this shit out a long time ago...

Edited November 27, 2021 by novymir