READ ME, AND YOU WILL BE LIKE GODS - KNOWING ALL THINGS GOOD AND EVIL

[pi3141]

15 hours ago, Guardian said:

It is so unfortunate that you people fell for the religious illusion.

 

You have surrounded your being to "god" not knowing that you have given yourselves to the dark ones.

 

Don't take my word for it. Meditate and connect to your consciousness and see it for yourself.

 

If you don't trust yourself, who can you trust?

 

No I haven't fallen for the illusion of organised religion, I'm against it. I think if your going to get involved in organised religion you should have an occult schooling first so you know what you are getting into.

 

And yes its been debated in the Religion forum that if you follow organised religion you may be worshipping dark entities. Is Jesus Lucifer or is Yahweh Satan have been discussed in the Religion forum. The greatest trick the devil pulled etc maybe he was or impersonated Jesus to convince us to follow him and a distorted religion right from the beginning or maybe Christianity has just been corrupted over time with a thousand cuts. It an interesting debate.

 

I personally believe that Christianity is based on Pagan mystery schools and is just another extension of those mystery schools and the practices and rituals performed in church are Pagan and subvert worship from the one God to another lesser/darker 'god'

 

Unfortunately, meditation doesn't work very well for me. I just follow my heart, its usually right.

[Guardian]

1 hour ago, pi3141 said:

 

 

 

Unfortunately, meditation doesn't work very well for me. I just follow my heart, its usually right.

 

Because 99% of people don't know how to meditate.

 

I moved beyond meditation. I can do think you would think impossible.

You can do it too. 5-6 months. Persistence and consistency.

 

Nothing will come on a silver plate.

 

Here 5 min video showing all the stages to reach to go to full awareness. 

 

 

 

[pi3141]

On 12/4/2021 at 1:33 AM, PH196 said:

Try to form a coherent though, and then get back to me.

 

Insults!

 

Just what I expect from a spiritually advanced Christian.

 

Would have been better if you typed it properly. 

[JJ73]

On 12/4/2021 at 6:43 PM, pi3141 said:

Is Jesus Lucifer or is Yahweh Satan have been discussed in the Religion forum. The greatest trick the devil pulled etc maybe he was or impersonated Jesus to convince us to follow him and a distorted religion right from the beginning or maybe Christianity has just been corrupted over time with a thousand cuts.

I very recently began attending church again and a darkness has descended upon me once more - a terrible depression, very unsettling dreams and thoughts.

 

Every time I have been involved within Christianity, this has occurred. Christians will argue that's because Satan is now tempting me because I am walking with the Lord.

 

I no longer believe that.

 

The OT God is responsible for 2.5+ million deaths and Jesus is supposedly this god made flesh. Satan on the other hand is responsible for just 10 and God was involved in that, so I would give God an extra 5 and dock 5 from the Devil 

 

I believe the Christian god to be pure evil and I'm done with it. Satan disguises himself as an Angel of Light. What better way to dupe people than have them believe that a homicidal maniac and by extension his son (who came to not bring peace but a sword) is Love? Jesus is referred to as the light bringer, as is Lucifer. The Bible is just a collection of books which are copies of copies of copies anyway. 

I speak with a lot of people online who tell me of the evils of Freemasonry and many of them believe David Icke to be one.  They list off all the people they view as Freemasons who are shills, disinfo agents etc They talk about the Christian god and how we are to put our faith there, to help us through all of this. Yes, handing our power over to a maniacal Biblical despot over people who are actually out there doing something positive about what is happening in the world currently.

 

Who do I have more faith in? An invisible god who grants wishes in line with random chance and/or coincidence or a man who lives on the Isle of Wight whom I know exists and who is actually out there putting his neck on the line for our freedoms. I'm going to opt for David who is interestingly standing up to the psychopath Goliaths. Not the religious types who have largely acquiesced to the evils around us.

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by JJ73

[Truthspoon]

 

Who said you have to go to church? 

 

The Church was corrupted from day one.....

 

Forget the church and try to find Jesus.... Just read his words and you will know him.....and he will be with you....

 

 

[JJ73]

55 minutes ago, bobb said:

I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you look back and say "wow what an arsehole I was back then"

 

Yes, that's absolutely the best way to go about things. Tell me that I am currently an arsehole because I don't want to worship a celestial tyrant in a book which is a copy of a copy of a copy.  No, thank you.

[bobb]

2 minutes ago, JJ73 said:

 

Yes, that's absolutely the best way to go about things. Tell me that I am currently an arsehole because I don't want to worship a celestial tyrant in a book which is a copy of a copy of a copy.  No, thank you.

Face Palm, er, i was referring to myself if you can be bothered with reading.

Horse meet water, NO,

suit yourself then.

[JJ73]

1 minute ago, bobb said:

Face Palm, er, i was referring to myself if you can be bothered with reading.

Horse meet water, NO,

suit yourself then.

 

You aren't endearing me to the loving nature of your god, whom I am presuming works through you.

[JJ73]

1 hour ago, bobb said:

and I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you look back and say "wow what an arsehole I was back then", I know this because I said it to myself,

 

You are talking about me being an arsehole because you wrote "and I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you look back and say "wow what an arsehole I was back then"

 

That is referring directly to me. 

 

You then say "I know this because I said it to myself."

 

That is you referring to yourself.

 

 

[bobb]

5 minutes ago, JJ73 said:

 

You aren't endearing me to the loving nature of your god, whom I am presuming works through you.

Fuk me, that's a bit presumptuous, 'MY GOD' you say, I don't have sole rights you know, you are allowed to discover for yourself, it's not a case of my God's bigger than your God.

God is Love

God is Kind

God is Forgiving

God is Merciful

Try looking for that one you know in the beginning.

[bobb]

2 minutes ago, JJ73 said:

when

Please try to understand English when you read it.

[JJ73]

2 minutes ago, bobb said:

Fuk me, that's a bit presumptuous, 'MY GOD' you say, I don't have sole rights you know, you are allowed to discover for yourself, it's not a case of my God's bigger than your God.

God is Love

God is Kind

God is Forgiving

God is Merciful

Try looking for that one you know in the beginning.

⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆

Edited December 7, 2021 by JJ73

[JJ73]

3 minutes ago, bobb said:

Please try to understand English when you read it.

 
Please try to not be so patronising then maybe a good discussion can be had. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by JJ73

[bobb]

Anyway, you deserved a kick in the arse for blaming everything on God, it's just not true, there are other forces at work!!!

[bobb]

Patronising, you do know what that means right?

[PH196]

3 hours ago, JJ73 said:

I very recently began attending church again and a darkness has descended upon me once more - a terrible depression, very unsettling dreams and thoughts.

 

Every time I have been involved within Christianity, this has occurred. Christians will argue that's because Satan is now tempting me because I am walking with the Lord.

 

I no longer believe that.

 

The OT God is responsible for 2.5+ million deaths and Jesus is supposedly this god made flesh. Satan on the other hand is responsible for just 10 and God was involved in that, so I would give God an extra 5 and dock 5 from the Devil 

 

I believe the Christian god to be pure evil and I'm done with it. Satan disguises himself as an Angel of Light. What better way to dupe people than have them believe that a homicidal maniac and by extension his son (who came to not bring peace but a sword) is Love? Jesus is referred to as the light bringer, as is Lucifer. The Bible is just a collection of books which are copies of copies of copies anyway. 

I speak with a lot of people online who tell me of the evils of Freemasonry and many of them believe David Icke to be one.  They list off all the people they view as Freemasons who are shills, disinfo agents etc They talk about the Christian god and how we are to put our faith there, to help us through all of this. Yes, handing our power over to a maniacal Biblical despot over people who are actually out there doing something positive about what is happening in the world currently.

 

Who do I have more faith in? An invisible god who grants wishes in line with random chance and/or coincidence or a man who lives on the Isle of Wight whom I know exists and who is actually out there putting his neck on the line for our freedoms. I'm going to opt for David who is interestingly standing up to the psychopath Goliaths. Not the religious types who have largely acquiesced to the evils around us.

 

 

So David Icke is your pseudo-messiah, got it.

[PH196]

3 hours ago, JJ73 said:

I very recently began attending church again and a darkness has descended upon me once more - a terrible depression, very unsettling dreams and thoughts.

 

Every time I have been involved within Christianity, this has occurred. Christians will argue that's because Satan is now tempting me because I am walking with the Lord.

 

I no longer believe that.

 

The OT God is responsible for 2.5+ million deaths and Jesus is supposedly this god made flesh. Satan on the other hand is responsible for just 10 and God was involved in that, so I would give God an extra 5 and dock 5 from the Devil 

 

I believe the Christian god to be pure evil and I'm done with it. Satan disguises himself as an Angel of Light. What better way to dupe people than have them believe that a homicidal maniac and by extension his son (who came to not bring peace but a sword) is Love? Jesus is referred to as the light bringer, as is Lucifer. The Bible is just a collection of books which are copies of copies of copies anyway. 

I speak with a lot of people online who tell me of the evils of Freemasonry and many of them believe David Icke to be one.  They list off all the people they view as Freemasons who are shills, disinfo agents etc They talk about the Christian god and how we are to put our faith there, to help us through all of this. Yes, handing our power over to a maniacal Biblical despot over people who are actually out there doing something positive about what is happening in the world currently.

 

Who do I have more faith in? An invisible god who grants wishes in line with random chance and/or coincidence or a man who lives on the Isle of Wight whom I know exists and who is actually out there putting his neck on the line for our freedoms. I'm going to opt for David who is interestingly standing up to the psychopath Goliaths. Not the religious types who have largely acquiesced to the evils around us.

 

 

 

 

14Jesus replied, “Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is valid, because I know where I came from and where I am going. But you do not know where I came from or where I am going. 15You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. 16But even if I do judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone; I am with the Father who sent Me.e 17Even in your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid.f 18I am One who testifies about Myself, and the Father, who sent Me, also testifies about Me.”

19“Where is Your Father?” they asked Him.

“You do not know Me or My Father,” Jesus answered. “If you knew Me, you would know My Father as well.”

20He spoke these words while teaching in the temple courts, near the treasury. Yet no one seized Him, because His hour had not yet come.

21Again He said to them, “I am going away, and you will look for Me, but you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you cannot come.”

22So the Jews began to ask, “Will He kill Himself, since He says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come’?”

23Then He told them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

 

.....

 

“If you were children of Abraham,” said Jesus, “you would do the works of Abraham. 40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing. 41You are doing the works of your father.”

“We are not illegitimate children,” they declared. “Our only Father is God Himself.”

42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on My own, but He sent Me.

43Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!

46Which of you can prove Me guilty of sin? If I speak the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

 

Once again,  the master states here in clear as day terms that the physical mortal man, with his lustful nature, and carnal mind, who struggles to 'believe' in God, is absolutely anti-spiritual and sentenced to death. The 'physical man' is undoubtedly a child of the devil, this 'creation' is God's means of manifesting the opposite of himself (the mortal concept) as a result of his (The Devil's) transgression against him. And because Christ tells you the truth - that you (the physical mortal man, with his carnal mind of lust, vanity, hatred, and death, is a Child of Satan) you believe him not.

[JJ73]

15 minutes ago, PH196 said:

So David Icke is your pseudo-messiah, got it.

 

[JJ73]

9 minutes ago, PH196 said:

Once again,  the master states here in clear as day terms that the physical mortal man, with his lustful nature, and carnal mind, who struggles to 'believe' in God, is absolutely anti-spiritual and sentenced to death. The 'physical man' is undoubtedly a child of the devil, this 'creation' is God's means of manifesting the opposite of himself (the mortal concept) as a result of his (The Devil's) transgression against him. And because Christ tells you the truth - that you (the physical mortal man, with his carnal mind of lust, vanity, hatred, and death, is a Child of Satan) you believe him not.

 

You are taking as truth words from a book which are a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy 

[PH196]

1 hour ago, JJ73 said:

 

You are taking as truth words from a book which are a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy 

Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies. 45But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!

[PH196]

Not only does Satan exist, but he has been reserved for "the judgement of the great day" and for "the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

 

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by PH196

[PH196]

4 hours ago, bobb said:

Fuk me, that's a bit presumptuous, 'MY GOD' you say, I don't have sole rights you know, you are allowed to discover for yourself, it's not a case of my God's bigger than your God.

God is Love

God is Kind

God is Forgiving

God is Merciful

Try looking for that one you know in the beginning.

 

 

You were anointed as a guardian cherub,

for I had ordained you.

You were on the holy mountain of God;

you walked among the fiery stones.

15From the day you were created

you were blameless in your ways—

until wickedness was found in you.

16By the vastness of your trade,

you were filled with violence, and you sinned.

So I drove you in disgrace

from the mountain of God,

and I banished you, O guardian cherub,

from among the fiery stones.

17Your heart grew proud of your beauty;

you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor;

so I cast you to the earth;

I made you a spectacle before kings.

18By the multitude of your iniquities

and the dishonesty of your trading

you have profaned your sanctuaries.

So I made fire come from within you,

and it consumed you.

I reduced you to ashes on the ground

in the eyes of all who saw you.

19All the nations who know you

are appalled over you.

You have come to a horrible end

and will be no more.’ ”

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by PH196

[BeeThrive]

On 11/22/2021 at 2:21 PM, PH196 said:

 

What he is saying is that a significant portion of the human race do not posses what you would call an 'immortal soul', they do not have the Spirit of God within them. They are the children of darkness, and their souls reflect spiritual darkness, which is why they can't understand Christ's word.

 

Their father IS the Devil, not God; meaning these are the tares who will not be saved, their souls were conceived in lust and partake of the nature of the fallen angels. These souls were created to serve their own desires. They will not inherit the kingdom because there is nothing there to save, they do not posses an immortal nature.

I think thats an interesting perspective on jesus’ words PH. 
Theres many perceptions to be gleaned from any and all scriptures, and if we breach the boundary of christianity and delve into other faiths/scrolls/ancient texts, we start to see recurring themes, all said/expressed mostly in analogy/story-telling, rather than directly speaking absolute truth.

 

Translating these types of texts is the challenge…as world history has proven!

 

The particular verse discussed can be interpreted to mean that when our mind and actions are from personal lust/desire we ‘behold the spirit of satan’ - when our mind and actions are from benevolence for the whole, we embrace the ‘spirit of god’. 
 

If jesus meant some people were and always will be spiritless of god, then his words contradict many other verses which acclaim we are all ‘of gods kingdom’ etc etc. 
 

The ‘saved by jesus’ thinking is the person who changes from their ego-social/parental/peer-conditioned-list/desire-based mind-set and literally changes their mind to ‘god’ (benevolence), their actions to god (benevolence for all) and therefore the ‘spirit of god’ is ‘within’ them. 
 

If any of us just chug along our life path repeating the ‘sins of our fathers’ (live as our parents taught us = desire based, usVthem mentality) then we are indeed ‘spiritless’…..yet if we disagree with division/segregation/my/mine/lust for self only way of thinking and acting, we embrace more the ‘spirit of god’. 
 

So jesus was saying in that verse, we have choice, allow satan to be our father, or ‘god’. We have choice. 
 

Other systems of thought allude to the same principle - that ‘god-ness’ is locked up like a dense seed in ‘fallen man’ due to man’s lusts/personal desire/selfishness/division/hate/resentments etc etc. That seed germinates only when the mind and heart start aligning to literally a more ‘one-ness’ understanding.  The spirit of god is ‘born’ in man when a person lives a life of love…love is born. 
 

If we start categorising some folk to be spiritless or soul-less, dividing humanity is satan’s skill….politicians too…dont we know it! The POTENTIAL is in ALL for realisation….”all are called, yet few are chosen” 

HOW we live in mind and heart determines whether that seed germinates. ‘The wide path is easy….the narrow path is hard’

 

(ill sign up, am a forum newbie but icke ol’timer)

 

[pi3141]

On 12/7/2021 at 3:39 PM, JJ73 said:

I very recently began attending church again and a darkness has descended upon me once more - a terrible depression, very unsettling dreams and thoughts.

 

Every time I have been involved within Christianity, this has occurred. Christians will argue that's because Satan is now tempting me because I am walking with the Lord.

 

I no longer believe that.

 

The OT God is responsible for 2.5+ million deaths and Jesus is supposedly this god made flesh. Satan on the other hand is responsible for just 10 and God was involved in that, so I would give God an extra 5 and dock 5 from the Devil 

 

I believe the Christian god to be pure evil and I'm done with it. Satan disguises himself as an Angel of Light. What better way to dupe people than have them believe that a homicidal maniac and by extension his son (who came to not bring peace but a sword) is Love? Jesus is referred to as the light bringer, as is Lucifer. The Bible is just a collection of books which are copies of copies of copies anyway. 

I speak with a lot of people online who tell me of the evils of Freemasonry and many of them believe David Icke to be one.  They list off all the people they view as Freemasons who are shills, disinfo agents etc They talk about the Christian god and how we are to put our faith there, to help us through all of this. Yes, handing our power over to a maniacal Biblical despot over people who are actually out there doing something positive about what is happening in the world currently.

 

Who do I have more faith in? An invisible god who grants wishes in line with random chance and/or coincidence or a man who lives on the Isle of Wight whom I know exists and who is actually out there putting his neck on the line for our freedoms. I'm going to opt for David who is interestingly standing up to the psychopath Goliaths. Not the religious types who have largely acquiesced to the evils around us.

 

 

 

 

Yes I understand. I do believe that the Christian god is not the true God. The Bible has been changed and in my view corrupted, firstly it was done so for political reasons, Constantine wanted a civilising religion and crafted Christianity to produce docile civilians and from there it has had a load of manipulations and changes to produce what we have today. A vastly misunderstood spell book. Gospel means Gods Spell.

 

I have started attending a Spiritualist Church, it good, you get good energy there and sometimes nice messages from loved ones. Its held at a Unitarian Church and I intend to start going to their services to see how they worship, I know there religious fundamentals - There is no trinity only one God, Jesus was just a highly advanced spiritual man but he was a man and likely died on the cross, there was no resurrection and some of them even believe God is a woman! (something I am totally open to, although the Spiritualist fraternity believe in the Fatherhood of God) As well as them, we have a Quakers meeting house in town and I am also considering going along to them.

 

As Truthspoon say's - who needs a church. God doesn't 'require' worship, you don't need an intermediary priest to worship God and you certainly don't need a church. In the Gospel of Mathew it says if you pray, pray in secret, go into your closet and pray and then keep it to yourself, its between you and God. I just go along to the church to be with like minded people and put an hour and a half aside every couple of weeks just to be... well just to be really. I'm showing support for my beliefs and sometimes I get a message, feels much more spiritual than attending a church and listening to someone wrongly interpret the Bible and preach exclusionary philosophies i.e you can only be saved by 'their' Jesus Christ, I've heard it so many times, only the church has the correct interpretation, only the Church represents Jesus Christ and only the Church can save you - they got it all wrong from the start. And of course they want your money.

 

My advice is do what feels right, if your not getting good energy from the church then don't go, your right to be suspicious of it in my view.

 

If your looking for direction, have a look and try and find a Spiritualist Church, at our church we sometimes have a Church Vicar who is also a Medium and comes along. The meeting is in a Christian church, we sing, we pray (I don't say Amen) there's a minutes silence for the sick, we have a reading or an inspirational talk or sometimes someone 'Channels' a message for the group, and then the Medium gets up and delivers messages. Its very uplifting and can be very comforting if you get a good connection and some messages come through. Sometimes there's not enough time to get round to everyone, I don't get messages every time but I still go to show support. They are very understanding of peoples personal faith - they know not everyone will stick rigidly to the dogma of the Christian Church and that for some people Jesus Christ means something different. It feels far more spiritual than attending a Christian service with their exclusionary philosophy.

Edited December 9, 2021 by pi3141

[Truthspoon]

34 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

 

Yes I understand. I do believe that the Christian god is not the true God. The Bible has been changed and in my view corrupted, firstly it was done so for political reasons, Constantine wanted a civilising religion and crafted Christianity to produce docile civilians and from there it has had a load of manipulations and changes to produce what we have today. A vastly misunderstood spell book. Gospel means Gods Spell.

 

Constantine was a pagan and most of his advisers were Judaisers.

 

The religion he created was a mix between paganism and Judiasm. He did not create Christianity, he hijacked it.

 

https://www.truthspoon.com/p/the-neoplatonic-anti-truth.html

 

 

Who really was Constantine?

 

Constantine in 312, seems to have been instrumental in the creation of what we understand as the Catholic church, namely that of a pagan institution practicing pagan rites while disguising itself as Christian. Christianity in the ancient world had become such a force that it was a case for the Roman authorities, of, if you can’t beat them, join them.

Constantine however found that half of the Christians in the Empire, would not subscribe to the official Roman Government version of the faith, he therefore found it necessary to create ecumenical councils to create a legalistic framework for official Christian doctrine and used the Roman military to eliminate Christian cults which strayed from the official government religion. This would set the way for the various inquisitions and Crusades and Constantine more than any other person, can be said to be responsible for the development of Christianity from a charitable organization dedicated to helping and feeding the poor and providing a spiritual message of salvation to all, to what the church later became, the oligarchical tyranny which practiced torture and slaughter to maintain political control over millions of people.

In fact we can see a clearer picture of the kind of man Constantine was by examining that of his great rival and one time colleague: Licinius. Constantine was the Emperor of the Western empire while Licinius was the Emperor of the Eastern Empire. Licinius was Constantine’s brother in law, having married Constantine’s sister. Despite appearing to be a Christian, and despite co-authoring the Edict of Milan which granted toleration to the Christians throughout the whole Roman empire, thus becoming essentially fathers of the church in effect, both these men regulated the affairs of the nascent Church, perhaps, in my view, making it the monolithic and tyrannically murderous institution it would become. Licinius may have worked to bring the toleration of Christians to the empire, and some say he even converted to Christianity, but the man himself was hardly a Christian and in 320 even began to revert to persecuting Christians by removing them from the military and civil service.

Just as there is some doubt about Constantine about Constantine’s sincerity to his Christian conversion, ‘in hoc signo vinces’ apparently seen in the sky by Constantine before the battle of Milvian bridge.

Lucius Caecilius Firmianus Lactantius was a contemporary of Licinius and spoke in testimony of him that he had become a true Christian at a time when Christianity throughout the empire was experiencing an astonishing exponential growth, an although precise figures detailing the growth of the Christian population in the Roman Empire are simply not available in any concrete sense, Stark’s book ‘The Rise of Christianity’ offers a good as guide as any in a facts-vacuum and his figures which show how the percentage of Christians throughout the empire seemed to grow by a factor of between 4-5 every during a period of 50 years. From a modest population of 1000 Christians in AD 40, the power of a simple geometric progression ensured that by 300 AD there were over 6 million Christians in the Empire and by 350 AD this figure had increased to nearly 34 million, which in AD 350 was over half of the whole population of the Roman empire.

But what was the true guiding spirit of Constantine’s religious policy? Lactantius was a Christian apologist and the progenitor of the Christian church policy of a ‘flat Earth’. It is said that because he considered himself ‘Christian’ he had to automatically reject any science and philosophy which was non-Christian, which meant that he rejected all of the previous scientific discovery of the Greeks going back even to ancient Egypt who considered the Earth to be a sphere. The only thing flat about this reality is the registrable brainwaves from this brainless fake Christian idiot who perhaps help create what is known as ‘the dark ages’ a period where scientific discovery enters a retrograde phase because somehow Church authorities considered it contrary to the word of Jesus. Jesus has nothing to say about science and certainly has no position of opposition to it. Even in the old-testament the Earth is referred to as ‘round’ so what retrograde retarded philosophy was Lactantius really promulgating? Was it some kind of primitive retrograde philosophy merely disguising itself as Christianity?

It is also said that Lactantius’ works betray a total lack of knowledge about scripture and Christian principles, it seems that his job was more in the line of public relations, trying to make Christianity appeal to and fit in with the pre-existing belief systems of the pagan elements of population. He authored a tract entitled ‘De Ira Dei’ Of the wrath of God in which he justifies and explains the idea of an angry punishing God. A God it must be noted, is entirely absent from the Christian New Testament and the ministry of Jesus, so what religion was Lactantius really advocating?

In the book Judaism of the second Temple period, the author David Flusser believes that Lactantius’ sources for his version of ‘Christianity’ are not Christian at all but Judaic-Hellenistic and that Constantine’s tutor and guide in all matters pertaining to Christianity, had little to no actual knowledge of the words of Jesus himself. Isn’t this an apt foreshadowing of the Catholic church which historically has seemed more interested in mother goddess worship and prescribing strict moral tenets on issues like homosexuality and birth control, which neither Jesus, nor indeed anyone mentioned in the New Testament ever expressed an opinion about. Simply put, Jesus had no interest on homosexuality or birth control because it wasn’t relevant to his ministry, so why were such things so central to Catholicism for so long? Perhaps because the source for Catholic religion is not Christian but Jewish. 

 

Edited December 9, 2021 by Truthspoon