Max Igan says what's now in control is Artificial Intelligence

[Truthspoon]

18 minutes ago, Diesel said:

The ego is the false you that you portray to the world. It's the front you put up, a delusion of self importance. A demon. Only by overcoming the ego will you find the truth and enlightenment.

 

"Three things do not stay long hidden, The sun, the moon and the truth" Buddha

 

The ego is Sam Gold....Everytime you recognise him he creeps away put slowly and softly lures you back into listening to his whispers and suggestions...

 

I am continually battling him... I find Zen meditation keeps him away for a while....

 

 

[Guardian]

You people are hilarious.

Talking about the ego and have no idea what it is.

It is a program running within your information field(your body)

You all got, I got it. I suppress mine best I could, but I cannot get rid of it.

Stop being silly people. 

[Truthspoon]

13 minutes ago, Guardian said:

You people are hilarious.

 

 

You people?

 

With constant Zen meditation it can be suppressed.... It cannot be removed completely because it is non-human and continually returns to haunt us and feed from us...

 

Children are born without an ego...... it is something which...accumulates... and when we die...we lose our ego...or else it leads us into the abyss....

 

CS Lewis’ demonic tempters bear a similarity to the Operators except that they have not revealed themselves to the ‘patient’ but exist, just as the Operators were said to exist to normal people, as a voice which most people assume to be the voice of their own thoughts and ideas. It is only at the end of the book when the ‘patient’ is killed during the war by a falling bomb that he finally glimpses these spirits which have guided him through life for better or worse:

 

“There was a sudden clearing of the eyes and he saw you for the first time, and recognised the part you had had in him and knew that you had it no longer. Just think (and let it be the beginning of your agony) what he felt at that moment; as if a scab had fallen from an old sore…”

 

For Lewis, death is where we glimpse these opposing factions continuously trying to direct and gently nudge the soul either to heaven or hell and the patient, finally breaking free from Wormwood and seeing his part in influencing his thoughts while alive, it is as if “he shuffled off for good and all, a defiled, wet clinging garment.”

 

From Lewis’ vision and the classical orthodoxy of demonic beings it is generally understood that they exist apart from the kingdom of God and are antagonistic to both it, and mankind which is an emanation of this kingdom since it is also generally considered within all of the literature of the world’s religions and metaphysics, that man has some divine spark, some small portion of the creator within himself. I always find this passage intensely moving and Lewis’ astonishing description of what might happen at the moment of death and passing to the next life seems itself to be so radiantly full of light and understanding that I am humbled by his eloquence and the beauty of his vision:

 

“As he saw you, he also saw Them. I know how it was. You reeled back dizzy and blinded, more hurt by them than he had ever been by bombs. The degradation of it!—that this thing of earth and slime could stand upright and converse with spirits before whom you, a spirit, could only cower. Perhaps you had hoped that the awe and strangeness of it would dash his joy. But that is the cursed thing; the gods are strange to mortal eyes, and yet they are not strange. He had no faintest conception till that very hour of how they would look, and even doubted their existence. But when he saw them, he knew that he had always known them and realised what part each one of them had played at many an hour in his life when he had supposed himself alone, so that now he could say to them, one by one, not ‘Who are you?’ but ‘So it was you all the time’. All that they were and said at this meeting woke memories. The dim consciousness of friends about him which had haunted his solitudes from infancy was now at last explained; that central music in every pure experience which had always just evaded memory was now at last recovered. Recognition made him free of their company almost before the limbs of his corpse became quiet. Only you were left outside.”

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Guardian]

2 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

You people?

That tends to be something said by a troll......

 

Children are born without this...... it is something which...accumulates...

 

With constant Zen meditation it can be suppressed.... It cannot be removed completely because it is non-human and continually returns to haunt us and feed from us...

 

 

Troll? 

If you say so.

Yes, the program is not activated from the beginning.

Everything has a purpose and meaning. And owns you no explanation

BTW 99% of people have no clue how to meditate. 

The blind following the blind.

[Truthspoon]

1 minute ago, Guardian said:

Troll? 

If you say so.

Yes, the program is not activated from the beginning.

Everything has a purpose and meaning. And owns you no explanation

BTW 99% of people have no clue how to meditate. 

The blind following the blind.

 

Hmmmmm...... I think perhaps 10 minutes of Zen meditiation right now would do you good. Perhaps come back when you have cleared your mind and can see a bit more clearly....

 

 

[Truthspoon]

Guardian...ask yourself...what is that voice in your head saying to you now?

Is it helpful or is it just a way of creating conflict?

This is what Sam Gold does.

 

 

[Guardian]

Just now, Truthspoon said:

 

Hmmmmm...... I think perhaps 10 minutes of Zen meditiation right now would do you good. Perhaps come back when you have cleared your mind and can see a bit more clearly....

 

 

Right... 

Ironic....... You think you know what works and what's best, and it is impossible that someone else knows more or something better than you... Right? 

I said Ironic since the subject seems to be ego.

That Zen meditation doesn't work, does it? 

 

If you put aside the ego for just 2 minutes. I can point you to a 5 minutes video showing all the stages of meditation.

And how to move beyond meditation.

If you wish. 

 

[Truthspoon]

Listen Guardian....I'm sure you're a nice fellow...but I laughed out loud when you said you could show me a video....

 

How about you read this, it's from my new book.

 

Maybe I'll make a video too..since that seems to be some kind of important currency for you.

 

Stage 0 I would say is when you first sit down to meditate. The mind is cluttered with thoughts and impulses initially, distractions appear in the mind once you try to meditate. You feel hungry, perhaps worry that you haven’t turned off a tap somewhere in the house, or that you would be better off doing this at another time. If you persist with focussing on nothing you will reach stage 1.

 

Stage 1 is when you start to feel a little more relaxed, the mind has calmed a little and there are no immediate pressing thoughts trying to dissuade you from meditating like this. If you continue to meditate you will reach stage 2.

 

The next stage signals a tangible inner focus, whereas before you were aware of the outside world you now are becoming aware of the inner world. The world outside is now taking second place to an increasingly widening inner world which your mind appears to be filling. Thoughts will be significantly reduced and it is easy not to engage with them or wish to act on them. There is a tangible sense of a decrease in mental activity as you can almost start to count the neurons in the brain firing off with stray thoughts and impulsions which are becoming increasingly dampened down.

 

This is fittingly described by Molinos:

“By the way of Nothing thou must come to lose thy self in God (which is the last degree of perfection) and happy wilt thou be, if thou canst so lose thy self; then thou wilt get thy self again, and find thy self most certainly. In this same Shop of Nothing, Simplicity is made; interior and infused recollection is possessed, quiet is obtained, and the heart is cleansed from all manner of imperfections.”

 

The third stage of transcendental meditation would be what I call, approaching the Abyss. What I term the abyss and perhaps more in common with Molinos and less so with Crowley, is the sense that the focus of the mind is now wholly engaged inward and a large empty darkness approaches the mind. A friend of mine I spoke to about meditation said this actually scared him and made him leave off meditation altogether.

 

Molinos notes:

“Know then that the streightest, most perfect and secure way of proficients, is the way of darkness: because in them the Lord placed his own Throne; And (Psalm 18.) He made darkness his secret place. By them the supernatural light which God infuses into the Soul, grow and increases. Amidst them wisdom and strong love are begotten, by darkness the soul is annihilated, and the species, which hinder the right view of the divine truth, are consumed. By this means God introduces the Soul by the inward way into the Prayer of Rest, and of perfect contemplation, which so few have the experience of. Finally; by darkness the Lord purgest the senses and sensibility, which hinder the mystical progress…See now if darkness be not to be esteemed and embraced.”

 

I would hasten to add that here I assume that Molinos is speaking of the literal darkness of the mind in meditation and not in terms of a sort of Luciferian allegory for the forces of darkness. 

 

This darkness seems to move closer to your mind and it is something tangible, not an absence perhaps but more a solid kind of emptiness. It moves closer and starts to fill the mind, like a rapidly incoming tide threatening to wash you, your mind and everything away into nothingness. Allow yourself to move into this darkness or it to move into you until it actually fills your whole mind, again Molinos has already been there and left a fitting description:

 

“O what infinite room is there in a Soul that is arrived at this divine Solitude! O what inward, what retired, what secret, what spacious, what vast distances are there within a happy Soul that is once come to be truly Solitary! There the Lord converses and communicates himself, inwardly with the Soul: there he fills it with himself, because it is empty; cloaths it with Light, and with his Love, because it is naked; lifts it up, because ‘tis low; and unites it with himself, and transforms it, because it is alone.”

 

Stage four is breaking through this darkness to the other side and what you thought was nothingness and negation and a total loss of the self turns out to be an infinite boundless space within yourself and total peace. Your mind has now left the physical world altogether and your mind is now operating wholly in, and exploring a higher realm of reality. Here you will feel interesting effects like a spinning around, as if your whole being is turning as if on a merry go round; this I believe is experiencing our electro-magnetic soul and its natural oscillation. You will also have a feeling of moving through this inner realm at great speed, as you explore this inner world which seems to be full of the whole universe and all past and present realities.

 

Some of these experience Molinos describes thus:

“The fourth step, which is Illumination, is an infused knowledge, whereby the Soul contemplates sweetly the divine truth, rising still from one clearness to another, from one light to another, from knowledge to knowledge, begin guided by the Spirit Divine. The fifth is a Savoury Pleasure of the divine sweetness, issuing forth from the plentiful and precious fountain of the Holy Ghost. The sixth is a sweet and Admirable tranquillity, arising from the conquest of Fightings within, and frequent Prayer; and this, very, very few have Experience of. Here the abundance of Joy, and Peace is so great, that the soul seems to be in a sweet sleep, solacing and reposing it self in the Divine breast of Love. Many other steps of Contemplation there are, as Extasies, Raptures, Melting, Delinquium’s, Glee, Kisses, Embraces, Exultation, Union, Transformation, Expousing, and Matrimony, which I omit to explain, to give no occasion to Speculation…”

 

Aside from the inner peace and the exploration of what could be considered an antechamber to the Kingdom of Heaven one takes away many benefits from this kind of meditation into our daily lives in the physical realm. Such practise allows us to control the mind and emotions much better and remain calm and detached from events which would previously have had a negative impact on our mental well-being. We will also take this focus into our dreams which will become much more coherent and less chaotic as we will better be able to navigate and order the inner dreamscape.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Truthspoon

[bobb]

9 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

Truth cannot defeat evil by falsifying it because truth does not lie, nor does it falsify, and if truth does lie, then it's no longer truth, but truth can expose evil by showing how a truth was falsified.

 

Evil tries in vain to triumph over truth by falsifying truth, but truth can never ultimately be falsified because truth is everlasting power, whereas evil has no power of its own, and is always a temporary enterprise, just as darkness has no power of its own. Darkness is merely the absence of light!

 

"They say that what is right is wrong and what is wrong is right; that black is white and white is black; bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter. Woe to those who are wise and shrewd in their own eyes!" (Isaiah)

 

I agree whole heartedly with your statement, fighting for the truth is to expose the lie, plenty of them around at the mo.

[Guardian]

Here is a 5 minutes vid how to move beyond meditation.

Most people do the same thing and never make any progress.

Good luck.

 

 

[bobb]

8 hours ago, novymir said:

I don't have to back up anything. People can take it or leave it, I don't care.

 

You're an artificial intelligence fruitloop as far as I'm concerned, there's some ego for ya.

You're going on ignore.

Please don't do that, none of us holds the whole truth but a part of it and by sharing we see more.

[bobb]

3 hours ago, Guardian said:

Well, technically no

The dark ones are in control. The AI just works for them.

I don't call it AI I call it a program. 

It's like calling a human a monkey. 

It's insulting and I find it funny. xd

I agree completely with this statement, A.I. has no free will and needs a master for direction.

[bobb]

1 hour ago, Diesel said:

The ego is the false you that you portray to the world

It is not false, it is you, it becomes destructive when over inflated, they build it up to knock it down, try to stay as humble as you can, it will hurt less when it is attacked, even funny if you can laugh at yourself.

[bobb]

47 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

The ego is Sam Gold....Everytime you recognise him he creeps away put slowly and softly lures you back into listening to his whispers and suggestions...

 

I am continually battling him... I find Zen meditation keeps him away for a while....

 

 

I do something called mindfulness most of it is hyped up nonsense but breathing exercises works wonders for me, ymmv.

[Truthspoon]

6 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Here is a 5 minutes vid how to move beyond meditation.

Most people do the same thing and never make any progress.

Good luck.

 

 

 

Good for you for making a video about this.....

 

You're talking about Zen meditation..... most people, or at least most 'meditation' taught these days is more about allowing thoughts to come but not actively trying to suppress them...... 

 

So in that respect I agree that what most people consider meditation is not the real thing and is largely a waste of time.

 

Meditation is ALL or NOTHING.....  but mostly focussing on NOTHING.....

[Truthspoon]

1 minute ago, bobb said:

I do something called mindfulness most of it is hyped up nonsense but breathing exercises works wonders for me, ymmv.

 

Mindfulness is useful because it reminds us to examine our thoughts critically rather than acting on them......

 

But the stage beyond mindfulness might be more about limiting thoughts entirely....

Without 'thought' you are a much more powerful being..... seems a strange thing to say but thoughts are just words.... 

 

There is a mental clarity once you go beyond 'words in your mind'........something approaching a more authentic knowledge of reality...

 

 

[Guardian]

2 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

Good for you for making a video about this.....

 

You're talking about Zen meditation..... most people, or at least most 'meditation' taught these days is more about allowing thoughts to come but not actively trying to suppress them...... 

 

So in that respect I agree that what most people consider meditation is not the real thing and is largely a waste of time.

 

Meditation is ALL or NOTHING.....  but mostly focussing on NOTHING.....

I go shopping, I drive, and go most of my day with no thoughts in my mind. I am always in meditating state.

 

My mind never slips the way. I am aware at all times.

 

Most people don't believe such a thing is possible.

 

Most human's attention span is between 6 and 12 seconds. Like a goldfish.

Through the stages of meditation I made, they can move beyond anything they thought possible.

 

[bobb]

Thought experiment for you, if we knicked sophia from from it's home in Arabia somewhere and took it out into the middle of the desert which is just next door, nothing around for miles just hot sun and sand and no land marks, and we hid behind a sand dune giggling to ourselves and activated it, would it:

 

A. try to work out, where it is,why it is ,who it is, what it is, when it is and then fall to it's knees and pound the sand Charlton Heston style saying:

Oh my God... I'm back. I'm home. All the time it was... we finally really did it, YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! OH, DAMN YOU! GODDAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!, and then look to God for salvation, it does have a reference to God programmed in.

 

or

 

B. Fall over and spend it's time calculating PI into oblivion.

[RobSS]

5 hours ago, Diesel said:

The ego is the false you that you portray to the world. It's the front you put up, a delusion of self importance. A demon. Only by overcoming the ego will you find the truth and enlightenment.

 

This is a really interesting subject. I agree with you up to a point, but thanks for the opportunity to go into this a bit deeper.

 

Without an ego in the physical body, we wouldn't be able to survive in this world. It's part of our natural physical make-up that comes with our reptilian brain, and it's there to help us survive, which is why there's nothing wrong with having an ego, but what's crucial are the choices we make. We can either feed the ego, and become corrupted by the demon, like you've described, or we can work on developing the fruits of the spirit, and giving life to the Seven Heavenly Virtues, rather than the Seven Deadly Sins. The more the virtues are cultivated, the less neurotic we become. This leads to humility, which allows for space and even greater opportunities to develop the fruits of the spirit and grow.

 

If someone tries to forcibly deny the ego, then they only end up with a false humility, and therefore, a false self. They end back up at square one, with an over-developed ego.

 

Another problem with denying the ego is that it can lead to depression and loneliness because too much fear surrounds being able to say or do anything, leading to an unhealthy self-consciousness of their ego, and they just end up in a cul-de-sac, which is very sad, but it's not sad for the powers that be because the elite want a population that is suppressed into passive compliance, where everyone is afraid to air an opinion, and where people control other people with false humility. Enter virtue signalling and moral relativism.

 

It's the same with sex. The sex drive can be very destructive. but an overactive sex drive is just as bad as a sex drive that's completely suppressed, and it's no wonder that people who are sexually suppressed end up venting their frustrations on children or doing things in secret because they don't have the courage to be open about their sexuality. So, as with all these things, there has to be a balance between ego and non-ego, to be or not to be, between action and non-action, between saying things and not saying things, but it's far better to do something than not at all.

 

For example, in Dante's Divine Comedy, people who did absolutely nothing, that's to say, people who completely suppressed their ego, where regarded as being worse than people who were in the midsts of hell. The people who did nothing were so unworthy, they weren't even allowed to go into hell proper. Paradoxically, love created hell because people in hell made their choices. Hell afforded them infinite freedom of choice. It's only through making choices that we can start to work out the best choices, and from that point, begin to work our way out of hell, into purgatory, and through to spiritual paradise. In spiritual paradise, no ego is required, but it's necessary to be able to learn to walk before being able run, otherwise you get people who stumble and relapse.

 

This is a very interesting quote from SparkNotes, on The Divine Comedy:

 

Virgil explains that these cries emanate from the souls of those who did not commit to either good or evil but who lived their lives without making conscious moral choices; therefore, both Heaven and Hell have denied them entry. These souls now reside in the Ante-Inferno, within Hell yet not truly part of it, where they must chase constantly after a blank banner. Flies and wasps continually bite them, and writhing worms consume the blood and tears that flow from them. The souls of the uncommitted are joined in this torment by the neutral angels - those who sided with neither God nor Satan in the war in Heaven.

 

Virgil leads Dante to a great river called Acheron, which marks the border of Hell. A crowd of newly dead souls waits to be taken across. A boat approaches with an old man, Charon, at its helm. Charon recognizes Dante as a living soul and tells him to keep away from the dead, but after Virgil informs him that their journey has been ordained from on high, Charon troubles them no longer. He returns to his work of ferrying the miserable souls, wailing and cursing, across the river into Hell. As he transports Virgil and Dante across, Virgil tells the frightened Dante that Charon’s initial reluctance to ferry him bodes well: only damned souls cross the river. Suddenly, an earthquake shakes the plain; wind and fire rise up from the ground, and Dante, terrified, faints.

 

Jesus Christ said the same thing when he admonished one of the Christian congregations. He said they were neither hot, nor cold, and because they are neither hot nor cold, he would vomit them out of his mouth.

 

Another good example of why an ego is necessary, is the character study that Tolkien did on Frodo, in The Lord of the Rings. It's clear that as Frodo journeys towards ridding Middle Earth of evil, he becomes aware of his ego, his shadow persona, and his alter ego in the form of Sméagol, who had already become known as Gollum after he was corrupted by the Ring. When Frodo first met Gollum, it was obvious Gollum had undesirable characteristics and was full of ego, but instead of Frodo adopting a false sense of virtue, Frodo allowed Gollum to teach him how to accomplish the final, and most dangerous part, of his journey. Thanks to Gollum, Frodo was able to complete his mission and defeat the Dark Lord of Mordor, namely Sauron by relinquishing and destroying the one Ring that would rule all the other Rings. In fact, it was Gollum who actually accomplished the final deed, but in so doing, Gollum died. This symbolised Frodo's overcoming of the ego, which allowed him to enter the Undying Lands, which is spiritual Paradise.

 

So yes, we do need an ego, and yes, an ego is a kind of demon, but if tamed and learned from, and if we don't allow ourselves to be corrupted by the ego, it can be our best friend, until one day, with God’s grace, we can let go of it.

 

 

5 hours ago, Diesel said:

 

"Three things do not stay long hidden, The sun, the moon and the truth" Buddha

 

 

This quote is very clear in meaning, but I couldn't grasp your point in the context of the discussion. Could you please expand on the point you're making, thanks.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by RobSS

[RobSS]

5 hours ago, Guardian said:

You people are hilarious.

Talking about the ego and have no idea what it is.

It is a program running within your information field(your body)

You all got, I got it. I suppress mine best I could, but I cannot get rid of it.

Stop being silly people. 

 

Well, said, We all have an ego. If the ego is denied, it lies to a very unhealthy state of mind. It leads to a guilt-ridden, troubled mind, characterised often by virtue signalling and false humility.

 

[RobSS]

For Truthspoon - mindfulness for the frazzled:

 

 

[RobSS]

Let's relax,breathe out, let our hair down, and relax... just be ourselves, and not worry whether we have an ego or not. Like the Kabbalah and a car engine, it should just work silently in the background, as we travel along. Unaware of it, we can look out the window and enjoy the passing scenery, the sights, and have fun.

 

It's only necessary to slam on the brakes, get out of the car, lift the bonnet and start looking inside for the ego parts. Having said that, cars do brake down sometimes, and sometimes we need look inside ourselves to put things right.

 

 

[bobb]

24 minutes ago, RobSS said:

For Truthspoon - mindfulness for the frazzled:

 

 

Erm, would you mind expanding a bit, the message being inferred here for T Spoon, seeing as you like write long boring diatribes and stuff, it left me feeling confused as to what you are getting at, cheers now, have a nice day and all.

[bobb]

8 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Let's relax,breathe out, let our hair down, and relax... just be ourselves, and not worry whether we have an ego or not. Like the Kabbalah and a car engine, it should just work silently in the background, as we travel along. Unaware of it, we can look out the window and enjoy the passing scenery, the sights, and have fun.

 

It's only necessary to slam on the brakes, get out of the car, lift the bonnet and start looking inside for the ego parts. Having said that, cars do brake down sometimes, and sometimes we need look inside ourselves to put things right.

 

 

This I would die for what a BEAUTIFUL sight to behold.

[RobSS]

13 minutes ago, bobb said:

Erm, would you mind expanding a bit, the message being inferred here for T Spoon, seeing as you like write long boring diatribes and stuff, it left me feeling confused as to what you are getting at, cheers now, have a nice day and all.

 

It was tongue in cheek, a bit of humour to lighten things up. Not to be taken too seriously.

 

On a serious note, I like Ruby Wax. She's got a great sense of humour, and knows what she's talking about, due to the struggles she had with mental health a decade or so ago. 

 

Can you give an example of a long diatribe I've written, and more importantly, explain why you thought it was a diatribe? I honestly wouldn't waste my energy writing a long diatribe.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by RobSS