All electric cars by 2030?

[GregC]

I heard that we will have completely eliminated petrol/diesel cars by 2030, bit soon is it not? I thought it was like 2040 when we will stop using diesel/petrol cars?

[Golden Retriever]

18 minutes ago, GregC said:

I heard that we will have completely eliminated petrol/diesel cars by 2030, bit soon is it not? I thought it was like 2040 when we will stop using diesel/petrol cars?

 

It's now 2035

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/transitioning-to-zero-emission-cars-and-vans-2035-delivery-plan

[Anti Facts Sir]

BBC (ahem) said the goal is to cease production of new, fuel-based vehicles by 2030. This isn't the same as nobody driving them by 2030.

 

HGVs will continue to be made until 2040, they said.

 

Pinch of salt recommended, as ever.

[gregory-peccary]

Won't happen.

Where will the Lithium for the batteries come from?

Where will the electricity to charge the cars come from?

How will you charge your car if you don't have a garage or off-road parking?

 

Now for niche vehicles it works a treat. Converting things like buses and Post Office vans to electric would work well to reduce air pollution.

Heavens, I might even buy an electric motorbike. But everybody and his mother driving electric vehicles? No.

[bamboozooka]

by 2030 theres gonna be a lot fewer ppl on the planet. roads will be empty

[Anti Facts Sir]

Perhaps we will be imprisoned in our homes. Or dead.

 

Only logical way this could work. People no longer travel.

[Sit down, Waldo]

Told someone on tv or YouTube did John O'Groats to Land's End (possibly a round trip) in an electric car & the cost of charging made it more expensive than diesel.

[Mr H]

God knows what they have planned.

 

Be nice if folks had a say on what they can or can't drive...

[Grumpy Owl]

On 11/10/2021 at 9:14 PM, GregC said:

I heard that we will have completely eliminated petrol/diesel cars by 2030, bit soon is it not? I thought it was like 2040 when we will stop using diesel/petrol cars?

 

The plan was originally to stop all sales of new petrol/diesel cars by 2040, but as Golden Retriever pointed out, that seems to have been brought forward.

 

There will still of course be combustion engine vehicles on the road, they couldn't just outright 'ban' them - think of the 'fuel duty' that the Government collects in taxes.

 

Of course, by 2030-2040, what we'll probably find is that the cost of petrol/diesel will be prohibitive to most people, namely those on low-incomes.

 

So those that refuse to switch to using electric or other zero-emission vehicles will likely find themselves forced off the roads and onto public transport, or forced/'encouraged' to move into the cities to be closer to work, so they can walk or cycle instead.

 

It was the 'oil giants' after all who 'killed off' electric vehicles first time around with the 'invention' of the petrol-fuelled combustion engine, that allowed so many people to become reliant on their oil-based 'resource'.

 

It's surprising how many people don't know/remember that electric cars and vans were a 'thing' and all the rage in the late 1800s/early 1900s, this is a good thread over at the Stolen History forum:

"Ditch Tesla, buy Babcock Runabout: 1,244 miles on one battery in 1909"

https://stolenhistory.net/threads/ditch-tesla-buy-babcock-runabout-1-244-miles-on-one-battery-in-1909.21/

 

"Big Oil" has suppressed research into alternative vehicle fuelling technology for decades, so I find it extremely odd that they would be sitting back and allowing this recent push for a transition to electric and hydrogen fuelled 'zero emission' vehicles to be happening, not unless they have some new 'vested interest' hidden up their sleeves.

[KingKitty]

Me waiting for them to take my petrol powered V8...

[masonfreeparty2]

lets see how electric cars perform in a grand solar minimum winter...ice coffins on wheels

Edited November 29, 2021 by masonfreeparty2

[GregC]

You say move onto public transport, what public transport? Over the past few years us country folk have seen tons of bus routes cut leaving many stranded. A strategy to get people to move into the cities? 

[Grumpy Owl]

19 hours ago, GregC said:

You say move onto public transport, what public transport? Over the past few years us country folk have seen tons of bus routes cut leaving many stranded. A strategy to get people to move into the cities? 

 

This I figure is part of the strategy, certainly aimed at the younger folk though I would imagine. Youngsters growing up in villages would find living in the 'big city' more attractive, that of course is where all the jobs are being created, and where all the 'affordable' () homes are being built.

 

I would imagine that many older folk who live in rural villages and small towns already own and make use of cars in order to get around, hence the lack of public transport use. And with local authorities being 'squeezed' for funding from central government (or preferring to squander what funding they do receive on useless vanity projects) they are less likely to subsidise bus routes with low patronage in order to keep them operating for the few people who do need them. 

 

On the flipside, I live in a supposedly well-connected conurbation (West Midlands), and again here the push is to get more people onto public transport in order to reduce traffic congestion. But even here, bus services are being cut and/or reduced. We also have the problem in that due to enormous amounts of traffic congestion - caused in the main by a never-ending series of roadworks for 'major projects' (that we keep being told will get 'the West Midlands moving again') - bus services are increasingly unreliable and suffer major delays and diversions.

 

In reality the opposite is happening, also fuelled by the Covid pandemic propaganda, in that people are ditching public transport and using cars in order to 'keep safe'  - because there is a constant 'perception' being fuelled in local media that buses are 'dirty, grimy and unsafe', and that all passengers are anti-social drunks and carriers of this phantom virus - which is what is ultimately making the traffic congestion worse.

 

A veritable 'chicken and egg' scenario. It also doesn't help matters that due to 'driver shortages' many bus services are failing to operate, and of course numerous train services are being cancelled at short notice for the same reason. If you can't rely on public transport to get you around, what other choice do you have other than drive your own car or book a taxi?

 

Here in the West Midlands, the expection is 'see if you can walk or cycle instead'. That's great advice, if your workplace is a mile from your house, but a bit dismissive if your ten mile commute involves two buses and a train.

[JJ73]

On 11/10/2021 at 11:33 PM, Anti Facts Sir said:

Perhaps we will be imprisoned in our homes. Or dead.

 

Only logical way this could work. People no longer travel.

 

I don't think that's too far out there in terms of a line of thinking. 

[itsnotallrightjack]

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n reality the opposite is happening, also fuelled by the Covid pandemic propaganda, in that people are ditching public transport and using cars in order to 'keep safe'  - because there is a constant 'perception' being fuelled in local media that buses are 'dirty, grimy and unsafe', and that all passengers are anti-social drunks and carriers of this phantom virus - which is what is ultimately making the traffic congestion worse.

 

I barely use buses these days and haven't been on a train for over two years. I do prefer trains over buses though as they are faster. I have to say I do find buses rather stinky (farts and bad breath exuded by passengers) and they are very crowded and stuffy. If I haven't got that far to go and it's not raining I much prefer cycling.

[gregory-peccary]

I used to live in Cambridge. That gave me a life long hatred of cyclists.

They were all a bunch of vile cunts ignoring all the rules of the road.

Why did they get away with it? Most car drivers were also cyclists.

Buy a two-wheeler with an engine!

[GregC]

On 12/5/2021 at 5:03 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

 

This I figure is part of the strategy, certainly aimed at the younger folk though I would imagine. Youngsters growing up in villages would find living in the 'big city' more attractive, that of course is where all the jobs are being created, and where all the 'affordable' () homes are being built.

 

I would imagine that many older folk who live in rural villages and small towns already own and make use of cars in order to get around, hence the lack of public transport use. And with local authorities being 'squeezed' for funding from central government (or preferring to squander what funding they do receive on useless vanity projects) they are less likely to subsidise bus routes with low patronage in order to keep them operating for the few people who do need them. 

 

On the flipside, I live in a supposedly well-connected conurbation (West Midlands), and again here the push is to get more people onto public transport in order to reduce traffic congestion. But even here, bus services are being cut and/or reduced. We also have the problem in that due to enormous amounts of traffic congestion - caused in the main by a never-ending series of roadworks for 'major projects' (that we keep being told will get 'the West Midlands moving again') - bus services are increasingly unreliable and suffer major delays and diversions.

 

In reality the opposite is happening, also fuelled by the Covid pandemic propaganda, in that people are ditching public transport and using cars in order to 'keep safe'  - because there is a constant 'perception' being fuelled in local media that buses are 'dirty, grimy and unsafe', and that all passengers are anti-social drunks and carriers of this phantom virus - which is what is ultimately making the traffic congestion worse.

 

A veritable 'chicken and egg' scenario. It also doesn't help matters that due to 'driver shortages' many bus services are failing to operate, and of course numerous train services are being cancelled at short notice for the same reason. If you can't rely on public transport to get you around, what other choice do you have other than drive your own car or book a taxi?

 

Here in the West Midlands, the expection is 'see if you can walk or cycle instead'. That's great advice, if your workplace is a mile from your house, but a bit dismissive if your ten mile commute involves two buses and a train.

I live in the West Midlands myself and I know first hand how crap the public transport is! The West Mids is the new London, cycle/bus lanes everywhere! They've made Hlaf of Lichfield Street, Wolverhampton into a cycle lane! Stupid right...

[Grumpy Owl]

On 12/8/2021 at 5:08 AM, itsnotallrightjack said:

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I barely use buses these days and haven't been on a train for over two years. I do prefer trains over buses though as they are faster. I have to say I do find buses rather stinky (farts and bad breath exuded by passengers) and they are very crowded and stuffy. If I haven't got that far to go and it's not raining I much prefer cycling.

 

I guess it all depends on where you are and what bus route you use. I don't drive, never have done, so I've relied on buses to get around since I was a kid. Round by me, buses only get crowded when they are not running on time, which unfortunately is most of the time now due to traffic congestion.

 

On 12/8/2021 at 6:46 PM, GregC said:

I live in the West Midlands myself and I know first hand how crap the public transport is! The West Mids is the new London, cycle/bus lanes everywhere! They've made Hlaf of Lichfield Street, Wolverhampton into a cycle lane! Stupid right...

 

Birmingham city centre is a right nightmare at the moment. Bus priority measures have been put in place ("bus gates") at Moor Street Queensway, which has actually made bus reliability worse, thanks in part to the closure and demolition of two multi-storey car parks, which means that more cars are trying to get to the two main remaining car parks, and because of the nonsensical road layout, as well as ongoing roadworks to 'improve bus priority' as well as building the new HS2 terminus and tram extensions, buses are getting stuck because of traffic queuing to get to these car parks. You can't make this shit up, you have to see it for yourself on a Saturday afternoon.

[zArk]

Hahaha https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10339169/amp/Owner-blows-Tesla-protest-17-000-cost-replacing-battery-Finland.html

 

£17k 

[screamingeagle]

4 minutes ago, zArk said:

Hahaha https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10339169/amp/Owner-blows-Tesla-protest-17-000-cost-replacing-battery-Finland.html

 

£17k 

thats one of the goals, make car more expensive,more work needed,les free time ect. 

 

"3d printing and el. cars will bring costs down".....yea right !!!!

 

wake up people 

[screamingeagle]

here's a video

 

 

[Guest m754]

On 11/11/2021 at 4:45 AM, gregory-peccary said:

Where will the Lithium for the batteries come from?

Where will the electricity to charge the cars come from?

 

These points are crucial...so...No. All this futuristic plans they project are merely an 'eyewash'--a distraction from where the money channelled through these hypes is actually going. The basic technology that we use is and will continue to use will be the same crude technology...with mere superficial modifications to make it appear superior. The carbon footprint they are worried about is actually a problem the other way around..they always say the opposite of what they want..

 

Edited December 24, 2021 by m754

[Grumpy Owl]

On 12/24/2021 at 8:13 PM, screamingeagle said:

thats one of the goals, make car more expensive,more work needed,les free time ect. 

 

"3d printing and el. cars will bring costs down".....yea right !!!!

 

wake up people 

 

The concept of electric vehicles is quite appealing really - the initial purchase cost is high, however that is supposedly outweighed by the fact that:

• Electricity is cheaper than petrol/diesel
• Electric cars don't have an 'engine' or gearbox (only a motor) so don't require frequent 'servicing' (oil and filter changes etc)

While there are still some mechanical components that may require checking and replacing (steering and suspension for example), the theory is that these vehicles should be much cheaper to maintain.

 

HOWEVER, the batteries are probably the most expensive part of these vehicles, and they do not have an infinite lifespan. If you're lucky, you might get about eight to ten years of life out of them before they need to be replaced. But when that time comes... well the cost of a replacement battery/batteries may well outweigh the cost of buying a new car, and thus the cycle of 'disposable consumerism' continues... instead of fixing up your old car, just buy a new one!

 

 

[bamboozooka]

don't think for a minute you will be owning an electric car, or any car for that matter.

 

you will own nothing and be happy

 

UK Inches Closer To Eliminating Private Car Ownership

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-inches-closer-eliminating-private-180000325.html

 

https://www.trudyharrison.co.uk/meetings-visits

18/04/2019- Visit to World Economic Forum Centre for the Fourth Industrial Revolution

Edited December 30, 2021 by bamboozooka

[Solasta]

On 12/29/2021 at 8:32 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

HOWEVER, the batteries are probably the most expensive part of these vehicles, and they do not have an infinite lifespan. If you're lucky, you might get about eight to ten years of life out of them before they need to be replaced. But when that time comes... well the cost of a replacement battery/batteries may well outweigh the cost of buying a new car, and thus the cycle of 'disposable consumerism' continues... instead of fixing up your old car, just buy a new one!

 

Tesla owner blows up his Model S with dynamite over $22,000 battery replacement - Electrek