Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, kilowon said: Sadly, it seemed that DD will not last for much longer in Switzerland as it has turned into a globalist den And it is our task to ensure in our model that such a move is not possible. We will find the way for that. Enough bright minds here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sheepy said: You see I already know you seek knowledge and also like being educational, so I thought I would return the favour. I might think you hadn't noticed that your argument is not based on reality on this occasion. Yep, thus far it is a theory. But i have been doing research and observing past and current tribal lives to see what can be extrapolate from it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said: And it is our task to ensure in our model that such a move is not possible. We will find the way for that. Enough bright minds here. yep. For that to happen we need to remove that cancer from all our lives. Fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 A question for all. Is any of you good in programming? Eventually we will have to make things concrete and since internet will be involved (I think) we might have to think about how to build up a platform for DD. Maybe Facebook might be a template we could use? Of course without any of its privacy invasions and monitoring. It 's a good platform for people to discuss ideas, and eventually vote there? All good ideas welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Here's a time code that may stimulate some discussion (we could replicate this using modern technology, but within small communities): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, kilowon said: yep. For that to happen we need to remove that cancer from all our lives. Fear. Fear is caused by a unknown or unclear threat. It's the uncertainty that causes the fear. Once people know what the threat is and have the solution to counter it, the fear is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepy Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, kilowon said: Yep, thus far it is a theory. But i have been doing research and observing past and current tribal lives to see what can be extrapolate from it The groundwork is already done over the last 30 years and those of us who have stuck with it have already taken the backlash in many ways, so I am not sure what fear you can have except the fear of stepping outside the box. Which that box has usually been given you without you even noticing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Yep, but without the rich and poor thing. There should be no one that is poor in such a just system except for someone who choose to be so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, DarianF said: Here's a time code that may stimulate some discussion (we could replicate this using modern technology, but within small communities): They held their meetings 40 times a year in a place near the Acropolis called the Pnyx. So every community should have a Pnyx, either a real physical one or if it is big community a virtual one on the internet. Why not call it Pnyx again, to pay homage to the inventors of direct democracy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said: Fear is caused by a unknown or unclear threat. It's the uncertainty that causes the fear. Once people know what the threat is and have the solution to counter it, the fear is gone. Sometimes yes. Other time it is caused by cowardice. Even now, plenty knows about the globalist and what they intend to do and how easy it is to counter them, but they still cowered in the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Just now, Ween Dwijler said: They held their meetings 40 times a year in a place near the Acropolis called the Pnyx. So every community should have a Pnyx, either a real physical one or if it is big community a virtual one on the internet. Why not call it Pnyx again, to pay homage to the inventors of direct democracy? It could be done via smartphone, with blockchain technology. Something like that. You get a weekly question on your phone and you log into your account and vote yes or no. It could be something as simple as re-paving the local street, or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilowon Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Ween Dwijler said: They held their meetings 40 times a year in a place near the Acropolis called the Pnyx. So every community should have a Pnyx, either a real physical one or if it is big community a virtual one on the internet. Why not call it Pnyx again, to pay homage to the inventors of direct democracy? Maybe we should call our platform that. PNYX. After all, With all the silly names tech companies gives their platform we would be in good company lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, DarianF said: It could be done via smartphone, with blockchain technology. Something like that. You get a weekly question on your phone and you log into your account and vote yes or no. It could be something as simple as re-paving the local street, or whatever. Yes, that is a viable option. We have to look also into the information that has to accompany the proposition we're voting for. So we can make an informed decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Just now, Ween Dwijler said: Yes, that is a viable option. We have to look also into the information that has to accompany the proposition we're voting for. So we can make an informed decision. Yes, absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, kilowon said: Maybe we should call our platform that. PNYX. After all, With all the silly names tech companies gives their platform we would be in good company lol Towards that specialist in DD I introduced myself as a member of the Direct Democracy Initiative. ;-) sounded not too bad. The DDI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, DarianF said: Yes, absolutely. Thinking on about blockchains' a little, that would indeed be a perfect solution for this. Every vote is unique and can not be compromised, if it is set up properly. We only have to convince potential hackers that it is simply not worth while to hack it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Ween Dwijler said: Thinking on about blockchains' a little, that would indeed be a perfect solution for this. Every vote is unique and can not be compromised, if it is set up properly. We only have to convince potential hackers that it is simply not worth while to hack it. I'm certain the finer details could all be worked out easily enough, with the right minds focused on the issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepy Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said: Thinking on about blockchains' a little, that would indeed be a perfect solution for this. Every vote is unique and can not be compromised, if it is set up properly. We only have to convince potential hackers that it is simply not worth while to hack it. I guess that goes with choosing your platform wisely, which has more than one meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, DarianF said: I'm certain the finer details could all be worked out easily enough, with the right minds focused on the issue. Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sheepy said: I guess that goes with choosing your platform wisely, which has more than one meaning. Can you elaborate a bit more about that? Do you mean we have to let go the Italian Carrara marble for the seats and tables? ;-) Edited November 1, 2021 by Ween Dwijler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepy Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said: Can you elaborate a bit more about that? Sure, I can, if you think you can burst on the scene on one of the bigger platforms you will be taken down faster than I can say banned, you need the bigger platforms because they are big, but you introduce it in a casual way, not like some bull at a gate, which is how so many populists have lost their seat. They already know we are a serious contender. Edited November 1, 2021 by Sheepy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Sheepy said: Sure, I can, if you think you can burst on the scene on one of the bigger platforms you will be taken down faster than I can say banned, you need the bigger platforms because they are big, but you introduce it in a casual way, not like some bull at a gate, which is how so many populists have lost their seat. I see what you mean. But when it kicks in, they will absolutely notice it. What can be done to prevent them from taking it down? There must be solution for that. Or, if we can find funding for it, setup an own data center that does the hosting? Edited November 1, 2021 by Ween Dwijler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, Sheepy said: Sure, I can, if you think you can burst on the scene on one of the bigger platforms you will be taken down faster than I can say banned, you need the bigger platforms because they are big, but you introduce it in a casual way, not like some bull at a gate, which is how so many populists have lost their seat. The hosting platform must be independent with no party able to dominate its existence. That rules out Amazon and the likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepy Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Ween Dwijler said: I see what you mean. But when it kicks in, they will absolutely notice it. What can be done to prevent them from taking it down? There must be solution for that. You answered your own question chose your platform wisely, I already told you there are already places all over the internet which have people who are in the bigger platforms and can carry the message. It doesn't have to be in your face. Or you will get noticed before you are ready for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ween Dwijler Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sheepy said: You answered your own question chose your platform wisely, I already told you there are already places all over the internet which have people who are in the bigger platforms and can carry the message. It doesn't have to be in your face. Or you will get noticed before you are ready for it. Ok, I think I get what you mean. Divide and rule, but this time for the good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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