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Direct Democracy - The development of a working model.


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28 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Without a more fundamental look at society and the things that undermine democracy such as MONEY DD had no substance. Also the way you conducted the discussion isolated many people because of your EGO.  

You have the floor now Diesel, populists can listen as well as talk.

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36 minutes ago, Sheepy said:

You have the floor now Diesel, populists can listen as well as talk.

Not all civilisations are based on Money. The Native Americans used a "gift economy” where people rose in social status by their contribution to society. They didn't believe in land ownership as the earth was mother natures. They evolved spiritually and their lives were not based around material possessions. The trouble with our Democracy is it has been highjacked by self interest. It's fundamentally corrupt in everyway possible. Money is only necessary to facilitate debt. What's more Money is the cause of corruption.

 

To have true democracy and freedom I believe we should follow the Native Americans example of a gift economy where we contribute freely to society using the skills we are blessed with. We as a race I feel need to get back to a more spiritual way of life to evolve and live in harmony with the earth. This not only means the abolishing Money but also materialism and consumerism which are terraforming this world.

 

Instead of constantly outdoing the current iteration of material objects the community should work together to produce the perfect product. If you look at computing Open Source is an example of how a community can co-create products. The problems in Democracy are intrinsically tied to Capitalism. I would like to see a world where communities support the individual to pursue their unique talents and individual happiness is the primary goal of society.

 

In such a world I believe we would find great leaders in all areas of expertise that can guide the people who could be represented through DD.  

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13 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Not all civilisations are based on Money. The Native Americans used a "gift economy” where people rose in social status by their contribution to society. They didn't believe in land ownership as the earth was mother natures. They evolved spiritually and their lives were not based around material possessions. The trouble with our Democracy is it has been highjacked by self interest. It's fundamentally corrupt in everyway possible. Money is only necessary to facilitate debt. What's more Money is the cause of corruption.

 

To have true democracy and freedom I believe we should follow the Native Americans example of a gift economy where we contribute freely to society using the skills we are blessed with. We as a race I feel need to get back to a more spiritual way of life to evolve and live in harmony with the earth. This not only means the abolishing Money but also materialism and consumerism which are terraforming this world.

 

Instead of constantly outdoing the current iteration of material objects the community should work together to produce the perfect product. If you look at computing Open Source is an example of how a community can co-create products. The problems in Democracy are intrinsically tied to Capitalism. I would like to see a world where communities support the individual to pursue their unique talents and individual happiness is the primary goal of society.

 

In such a world I believe we would find great leaders in all areas of expertise that can guide the people who could be represented through DD.  

I could see how that might well work at a local level Diesel and maybe even spread but at a national and international level not so much, you would have to completely withdraw from any international cooperation, as populism and DD is based on a majority decision and a lot of trust, I am not sure it could get past local level. I am not saying you are on the wrong track or don't have it right by the way, I am just saying look at the bigger picture. 

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44 minutes ago, Sheepy said:

I could see how that might well work at a local level Diesel and maybe even spread but at a national and international level not so much, you would have to completely withdraw from any international cooperation, as populism and DD is based on a majority decision and a lot of trust, I am not sure it could get past local level. I am not saying you are on the wrong track or don't have it right by the way, I am just saying look at the bigger picture. 

I think it could spread and as it did the communities would become larger and borders would cease to exist. But initially on a national and international trading level an exchange of goods "barter" could be used. In a gift economy the leaders would be the people who contributed the most to society freely and would be there to guide the people for the benefit of society. DD would be used to elect, suggest and vote policy but the leaders would protect against the worst excesses of populism. For there is no wisdom in the crowds at this time. As I said before it was DD that saw the death of both Jesus and Socrates.

 

Instead of professional politicians representing the community we could have respected teachers represent education, Dr's representing health, Lawyers and Judges representing law etc all selected for there contribution to society. In this way the people truly would get the leaders they deserve, that aren't there for political ideology, personal gain and financial motivation. Under such a system it could be a criminal offence for a leader or part of the media to lie to the people.

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1 minute ago, Diesel said:

I think it could spread and as it did the communities would become larger and borders would cease to exist. But initially on a national and international trading level an exchange of goods "barter" could be used. In a gift economy the leaders would be the people who contributed the most to society freely and would be there to guide the people for the benefit of society. DD would be used to elect, suggest and vote policy but the leaders would protect against the worst excesses of populism. For there is no wisdom in the crowds at this time. As I said before it was DD that saw the death of both Jesus and Socrates.

 

Instead of professional politicians representing the community we could have respected teachers represent education, Dr's representing health, Lawyers and Judges representing law etc all selected for there contribution to society. In this way the people truly would get the leaders they deserve, that aren't there for political ideology, personal gain and financial motivation. Under such a system it could be a criminal offence for a leader or part of the media to lie to the people.

We already have a large international level of Populism, why do they think that every leader who comes to power they know they are going to bring down, they automatically denounce them as a populist, goes with the territory Diesel when they know full well none of them are actually populists. Not one they have denounced has offered DD or anything like it, but the usual rule by fear. Which is why I am saying you are not wrong in a local level. We all know the monetary system has never been fair and any change would need to be voted by a majority and at that level you really would need an alternative you could put in place immediately. So I agree with you at a local level within a smaller community it could work. No populist is going to stop you living within a small democratic community. Just like everyone else on major policy you still have one vote one person. 

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Well done for yesterday by the way, showing the majority are not for their latest round of madness. Even when the Chinese are caught behind the scenes boasting the vaccinated are well and truly fucked, they still carry on.

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