Direct Democracy - The development of a working model.

[Ween Dwijler]

Hello everyone,

 

With the growing discourse in the world about how our societies are run by factual tyrants, and the launch of the Great Reset (a dystopian plan of the WEF and its members), this might be the right moment in time to work on a model for the people and by the people. A model that no longer can be hijacked by devious tyrannical elements of our societies. A model that, when implemented, will guarantee each persons inalienable and inviolable rights on complete freedom.

 

I would like to invite anyone who has a sensible and substantial contribution to make to this model, to speak up his/her mind.

 

Simple rules:

- Keep an open mind to anyone's ideas or contribution

- Nobody has the right to shut others up

- Keep discussions civilized and to the point

-Above all, do not be afraid to speak your mind!

[Sheepy]

Go on then I will start you off or I wouldn't be much of a populist, each policy would be judged on its own merits, which could easily be outlined before a vote was taken, for example, if you vote for this these are the arguments for and against and the most likely outcome of voting for either way, but then I am not here to decide which pill you take it has to be your own choice and of your own free will, which again is a basis for DD. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Sheepy

[Ween Dwijler]

Allow me to kick this thread off with some of the considerations I had, and have, in mind to start this topic, in the hope it can lead to a solution of the problems we’re all facing in this 2^nd decade of the 21^st century.

 

What is the definition of democracy?

 

The word comes from the Greek dēmokratiā, from dēmos 'people' and kratos 'rule'. It’s a form of government in which the people have the authority to deliberate and decide legislation (“direct democracy”), or to choose governing officials to do so (“representative democracy”).

 

Cornerstones of democracy include freedom of assembly, association and speech, inclusiveness and equality, citizenship, consent of the governed, voting rights, freedom from unwarranted governmental deprivation of the right to life and liberty, and minority rights.

 

The original form of democracy was a direct democracy.

 

The term appeared in the 5^th century BC to denote the political systems then existing in Greek city-states, notably Classical Athens, to mean “rule of the people” in contrast to aristocracy, meaning “rule of an elite”.

 

 

 

What is the definition of Direct Democracy?

 

Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate decides on policy initiatives without legislative representatives as proxies. In direct democracy, people decide on policies without any intermediary.

 

Most democratic countries these days have a representative democracy. The people elect persons representing a group of people, in contrast to direct democracy. Representative democracy places power in the hands of representatives who are elected by the people. Often this turns out to become a polyarchy. Which is a form of government in which power is invested in multiple people. It takes the form of neither a dictatorship nor a democracy.

 

(free to texts from Wikipedia. Full texts can be found here and here)

 

Our present problem.

 

And this is the source of the problems, we the people, with present day governments have to face. The polyarchy becomes more and more a sort of Junta, which has taken power by force of massive media manipulation and a total disregard for human values and freedoms.

 

We can't even be sure whether the elected representatives have real power at all. As unelected bureaucrats in the background are staying in function for 20, 30, 40 or more years and effectively dictating the policies and laws to the representatives in order to have them legislated. And if it is not the bureaucrats doing that, than its the endless army of lobbyists that literally write down the laws and policies for the representatives to vote on. This is an unacceptable status quo for the people, in which “democracy” has become a farce, an absurdity.

 

So, in conclusion to this we need to return to the roots of democracy, and that is Direct Democracy.

 

(In the following post I will get into why direct democracy is now, more than ever before, a very viable and executable government model because of the technological means available that allows such form of people’s direct involvement in democracy.)

 

 

 

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[Diesel]

I like the system of a benevolent leader voted in to ensure the welfare of the people, held accountable to the people who using a digital system of voting policies and represents and implements policies that are a benefit society. Instead of professional politicians we could have representatives from experts in there field, such as teaching, healthcare, legal and spiritual that use their experience to guide the people. Money must be abolished as it is the root of corruption and evil in this world and replaced by a system of collective contribution, where people use their individual skills to contribute to society. All water, food, shelter and clean energy should be a basic human right.

[Alba]

Switzerland is an example. I am all for the country being run by the people for the people..It could take a while to achieve and maybe a revolution would have to happen.

 

https://www.houseofswitzerland.org/swissstories/history/way-modern-direct-democracy-switzerland

[Jus]

Direct Democracy has been something I have been mulling over for some time now. I remember in the past working out a truly fair way it could be administered, it was a while back and can't remember all the ins and outs I considered. 

 

I would like to post an education framework I have developed, designed to free up learning in all its forms, as I believe this to be essential to pave the way to democratic freedoms:

 

https://link.medium.com/NfId2C4yPkb

[Ween Dwijler]

10 minutes ago, Alba said:

Switzerland is an example. I am all for the country being run by the people for the people..It could take a while to achieve and maybe a revolution would have to happen.

 

https://www.houseofswitzerland.org/swissstories/history/way-modern-direct-democracy-switzerland

I think that's the only country that has a direct democracy. And it seems to work not too  bad.

 

Personally, I don't expect this direct democracy to be implemented in the next couple of months. ;-) It will take us some time to work out the optimal model possible and then we have to launch it, worldwide. That means translations as one of the practical, but solvable problems we will encounter.

 

The revolution will be soft and peacefully. And....unstoppable. All we need to do is launch it everywhere, and get people to cast their votes only in the new system. Boris, Biden, Macron and the rest of their cliques will not be in it. So, effectively nobody will vote for them anymore. And without votes, the emperors are naked.

[EnigmaticWorld]

How would it work without homogeneity, when different groups want different things?

 

[Ween Dwijler]

30 minutes ago, Jus said:

Direct Democracy has been something I have been mulling over for some time now. I remember in the past working out a truly fair way it could be administered, it was a while back and can't remember all the ins and outs I considered. 

 

I would like to post an education framework I have developed, designed to free up learning in all its forms, as I believe this to be essential to pave the way to democratic freedoms:

 

https://link.medium.com/NfId2C4yPkb

Welcome on board. While we're going, you surely will start to remember things from before and be able to toss them into the discussions.

[Sheepy]

I don't really think I need to outline the reasons you need DD because I already have a thread with over 3,000 posts telling everyone why you need it. 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Sheepy

[Ween Dwijler]

10 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

How would it work without homogeneity, when different groups want different things?

 

That is a very good question, point. Since Aristotle's times, humanity has moved a tiny bit forward. Today, people are literally spread all over the world and some form of integration is happening. But how far is that process and will it be enough for the implementation of DD (Direct Democracy)? This is absolutely a point to take very serious and we will have to put in the effort to find the best possible solution for it. For now, I think DD should be layered. Meaning, starting at a very local level (community), moving up to city, state, country and world. Mr. Shu from Quangdong, China should not be involved in the local decision of a village in Mexico about building a new road. But both should be involved in the decision whether we will send a spaceship to the next star. I would certainly like to work this out into a practical and workable solution/plan. Lets talk about it.

[Ween Dwijler]

9 minutes ago, Sheepy said:

I don't really think I need to outline the reasons you need DD because I already have a thread with over 3,000 posts telling everyone why you need it. 

That's great. So enough material to help getting this thing moving. FYI, I already contacted a specialist in the field of DD, he is a Dr. and seems to be quite knowledgeable about this. I've asked him to share and support us with his knowledge and expertise. We don't have to invent the wheel again if there is already one that is good.

 

Having said that, you're a bit ahead of me, which is great, by mentioning the why question. That will certainly come up at some point, and it's good to know you're here to get that part sorted out. Thanks!

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[EnigmaticWorld]

5 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Meaning, starting at a very local level (community), moving up to city, state, country and world.

 

I don't really have much to add right now, but I like the sound of that.

[DarianF]

Small communities voting directly on all local decisions, no matter how minor. Abolish all state governments immediately. Have a federal government for international relations, but no power over any domestic communities.

[Ween Dwijler]

2 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I don't really have much to add right now, but I like the sound of that.

Yeah, in theory this all starts actually at family level as a possible smallest unit. Locally, they have here a similar kind of system. The village comes together ones a month (or when needed) to discuss certain initiatives and ideas. They work their way to a consensus and the head of the village (elected once in 4 years) gets the go. If he screws it up, he can forget his next term. He, in his turn, will represent the village in the group of villages (a tambon is divided in several moo's), called tambon, where the larger scale decisions are made. It is the principle of DD, however, on provincial and national level it is the good old representative democracy with the obligatory corruption and machinations.

[Ween Dwijler]

1 minute ago, DarianF said:

Small communities voting directly on all local decisions, no matter how minor. Abolish all state governments immediately. Have a federal government for international relations, but no power over any domestic communities.

Definitely worth to work it out. With abolishing state governments you mean getting rid of the bureaucrats? Only assign certain people when needed to manage a project? For example; the village decides to build a road and has a certain budget for that. They assign the person from their own community that has contacts in the road building business to arrange for contracting a company to execute the build. That person is responsible for staying within budget and present account of it on a regular basis and in the end. If he screws up, it will be his problem in the sense that he loses face in the community and might even be kicked out if foul play was involved. Quick and easy.

[kilowon]

39 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

How would it work without homogeneity, when different groups want different things?

 

I agree. And i suggest that human were never meant to live in large group to begin with. We are tribal in nature and the so called modern civilization has forced us into larger and larger group such as city state, then nation, and now superstate and the so called global village. The solution is to find/found your own tribe

[DarianF]

7 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Definitely worth to work it out. With abolishing state governments you mean getting rid of the bureaucrats? Only assign certain people when needed to manage a project? For example; the village decides to build a road and has a certain budget for that. They assign the person from their own community that has contacts in the road building business to arrange for contracting a company to execute the build. That person is responsible for staying within budget and present account of it on a regular basis and in the end. If he screws up, it will be his problem in the sense that he loses face in the community and might even be kicked out if foul play was involved. Quick and easy.

 

It's extremely complicated, but that's the general idea I'd be working towards.

[Sheepy]

6 minutes ago, kilowon said:

I agree. And i suggest that human were never meant to live in large group to begin with. We are tribal in nature and the so called modern civilization has forced us into larger and larger group such as city state, then nation, and now superstate and the so called global village. The solution is to find/found your own tribe

Cantons of Switzerland - Wikipedia I will let this side of it speak for itself.

[Ween Dwijler]

1 minute ago, DarianF said:

 

It's extremely complicated, but that's the general idea I'd be working towards.

No one ever said it would simple and easy. ;-) But if we get a good and possible complicated model to start with, we can then work on making it as simple as possible. This first stage we probably all throw in thoughts and ideas, some of you already spent a lot of time thinking about this and have good and workable ideas. We work together, and I'm convinced that we can make this happening. Peacefully and unstoppable.

[Ween Dwijler]

3 minutes ago, Sheepy said:

Cantons of Switzerland - Wikipedia I will let this side of it speak for itself.

Yes, Switzerland is certainly an example where we can find a lot of what we need.

[kilowon]

17 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Yeah, in theory this all starts actually at family level as a possible smallest unit. Locally, they have here a similar kind of system. The village comes together ones a month (or when needed) to discuss certain initiatives and ideas. They work their way to a consensus and the head of the village (elected once in 4 years) gets the go. If he screws it up, he can forget his next term. He, in his turn, will represent the village in the group of villages (a tambon is divided in several moo's), called tambon, where the larger scale decisions are made. It is the principle of DD, however, on provincial and national level it is the good old representative democracy with the obligatory corruption and machinations.

Man, great minds think alike lol. I have been contemplating a similar system. Just without the national level as I believe human is by nature a tribal creature who should lived in small tribe. I called my system neo-tribalism. We would do away with the negative aspects of past tribes as well as adopting the positive aspect of our current society such as some level of technology.

[Sheepy]

4 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Man, great minds think alike lol. I have been contemplating a similar system. Just without the national level as I believe human is by nature a tribal creature who should lived in small tribe. I called my system neo-tribalism. We would do away with the negative aspects of past tribes as well as adopting the positive aspect of our current society such as some level of technology.

You see I already know you seek knowledge and also like being educational, so I thought I would return the favour. I might think you hadn't noticed that your argument is not based on reality on this occasion. 

[kilowon]

6 minutes ago, Ween Dwijler said:

Yes, Switzerland is certainly an example where we can find a lot of what we need.

Sadly, it seemed that DD will not last for much longer in Switzerland as it has turned into a globalist den

[Ween Dwijler]

2 minutes ago, kilowon said:

Man, great minds think alike lol. I have been contemplating a similar system. Just without the national level as I believe human is by nature a tribal creature who should lived in small tribe. I called my system neo-tribalism. We would do away with the negative aspects of past tribes as well as adopting the positive aspect of our current society such as some level of technology.

At this stage I'm doubting about having national levels or not. Can a village participate in a global vote? Or does it first has to go to a national vote, after which the nation votes on a global level? Man, this will eradicate the costly UN, it probably will also eradicate armies and defense industry, all bureaucrats gone including their costly salaries. Taxes will go down to a minimum, if any. A part of the freed money can be used to develop our world to a truly better place. Just this couple of hours here already shows that there are more then enough good ideas and people willing to work on a better place. Kudos for all of you.