Deca`s take on "Gangstalking"

[Zusies]

Within my experience being subjected to this, most of the street theatre & co ordinated mobbing was enabled with the help of a smart phone and presumably app's.

It explains this in the above video as it's very well detailed.

[Zusies]

Nice try 

[Deca]

27 minutes ago, Zusies said:

Within my experience being subjected to this, most of the street theatre & co ordinated mobbing was enabled with the help of a smart phone and presumably app's.

It explains this in the above video as it's very well detailed.

right what evidence do you have .....that what you perceive as "street theatre & co ordinated mobbing"  was organised via mobile phone apps 

 

I suggest that this is an assumption and YOU have zero evidence of this ...ok 

 

also why does nobody else around you  think it strange when a flash mob turns up every time you are about ???...again its ridicules and with modern technology its not needed ...

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2021 by Deca

[Deca]

5 minutes ago, Zusies said:

Nice try 

again what are you on about ? 

if YOU post something on this thread then I going to comment on it 

 

 

[Zusies]

7 minutes ago, Deca said:

right what evidence do you have .....that what you perceive as "street theatre & co ordinated mobbing"  was organised via mobile phone apps 

 

I suggest that this is an assumption and YOU have zero evidence of this ...ok 

 

also why does nobody else around you  think it strange when a flash mob turns up ...again its ridicules and with modern technology its not needed ...

 

 

 

I don't carry a phone or camera as a lot of this was unexpected a few years ago as I was too overwhelmed to go out and buy a smart phone or hidden camera (like many upon youtube) as it would be a waste of time, this was my experience, and definitely not an assumption (you seem happy to display that upon your blog) bystanders seemed to think it was a prank or a joke so no they never intervened, especially if it was a group of hoodies or gang bangers, and thank you for displaying you true intentions to any interested third party as you attempt the spread of misinformation and discrediting attempts like so many perps do, I noticed you upon the TargetedUK site a few years ago as they collectively banned you.   

You will reply to this as predicted with your assumed opinion and carry on until you are 60 and get nowhere. 

 

Thank you.  

[Deca]

6 minutes ago, Zusies said:

I don't carry a phone or camera as a lot of this was unexpected a few years ago as I was too overwhelmed to go out and buy a smart phone or hidden camera (like many upon youtube) as it would be a waste of time, this was my experience, and definitely not an assumption (you seem happy to display that upon your blog) bystanders seemed to think it was a prank or a joke so no they never intervened, especially if it was a group of hoodies or gang bangers, and thank you for displaying you true intentions to any interested third party as you attempt the spread of misinformation and discrediting attempts like so many perps do, I noticed you upon the TargetedUK site a few years ago as they collectively banned you.   

You will reply to this as predicted with your assumed opinion and carry on until you are 60 and get nowhere. 

 

Thank you.  

so its based on what you subjectively believe, perceive  and assume and what other gangstalked TI`s/websites claim

and what's the difference between "mobbing and street theatre" from disability hate crime ? sounds like the same thing thou you don`t have to organizes/pay for low life's to commit  disability hate crime you just have to deteriorate  somebody enough and get them to act out in public  so people perceive them as having a disability and a magnet for such crimes 

 

also you need to understand the psychological impact ...sleep depravation, trauma, hypervigilance etc 

now once you understand the above you can actual mitigate it and start to  turn your life around and avoid it etc.. and it has less impact on your life 

 

[Zusies]

2 minutes ago, Deca said:

so its based on what you subjectively believe, perceive  and assume and what other gangstalked TI`s/websites claim

and what's the difference between "mobbing and street theatre" from disability hate crime ? sounds like the same thing thou you don`t have to organizes/pay for low life's to commit  disability hate crime you just have to deteriorate  somebody enough and get them to act out in public  so people perceive them as having a disability and a magnet for such crimes 

 

also you need to understand the psychological impact ...sleep depravation, trauma, hypervigilance etc 

now once you understand the above you can actual mitigate it and start to  turn your life around and avoid it etc.. and it has less impact on your life 

 

Mine was set up by a former friend who now works for the council although they still have druggie/criminal/flying monkies on stand by through their associations with the local college and inpatient services, I also had this confirmed by her kids as I felt sorry for them, as their fathers were shat on, so that's where some of this came from from, also my very brief contact with Kerion & Shane Gibbs who also attempted to make me their patsy, discrediting, gaslighting attempts offline and online. 

I have evidence of some of this as a legal team cost a lot of money as I am not rich, and can't access this resource as legal aid within the UK is no more.

 

Once again Thank You  

[Deca]

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you attempt the spread of misinformation and discrediting attempts like so many perps do, I noticed you upon the TargetedUK site a few years ago as they collectively banned you.   

I been putting out the similar information for many years based on what I have experienced/learned and based on supporting evidence and facts 

I yet to find any convincing evidence that supports the "gangstalking" belief ..its just seems to be a POV description of what a Ti beliefs and thinks is happening that rarely match's with realty and they refuse to look for alternative explanations ....and any body that post alternative explanations or points out the flaws in their beliefs normally gets called a "perp" and gets banned simple as 

 

I think their must be some type of psychological benefit in believing in gangstalking ....as i can`t see any other ....it does not work in convincing non TI`s ...its not recognised by law /society and deemed a false belief and a sign of mental illness ..not a explanation for it ...simple in the 20+ years of people propagating it ...it does not work and there no evidence supporting it ...... plus I personal tired of people tag it/associating it to being a victim of neuroweapons ...........

[Deca]

7 minutes ago, Zusies said:

Mine was set up by a former friend who now works for the council although they still have druggie/criminal/flying monkies on stand by through their associations with the local college and inpatient services, I also had this confirmed by her kids as I felt sorry for them, as their fathers were shat on, so that's where some of this came from from, also my very brief contact with Kerion & Shane Gibbs who also attempted to make me their patsy, discrediting, gaslighting attempts offline and online. 

I have evidence of some of this as a legal team cost a lot of money as I am not rich, and can't access this resource as legal aid within the UK is no more.

 

Once again Thank You  

well you need to post your own story on your own thread/website etc 

I want this thread to about generalised not personal ok 

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2021 by Deca

[Deca]

again this is what non TI think about "gangstalking" and the general public at large 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2021 by Deca

[Deca]

 

 

I would just avoid gangstalking subreddit ....

[Zusies]

53 minutes ago, Deca said:

well you need to post your own story on your own thread/website etc 

I want this thread to about generalised not personal ok 

 

 

 

So you think this is not a public forum?

[Deca]

1 hour ago, Zusies said:

So you think this is not a public forum?

why I am posting here in this part of the forum .....I will give you a clue

 

 

as I am looking for help with research ok 

 

but to do that I need to show how I see things and ,and what I am trying to do etc 

 

you already on the other thread shown you don`t have the technical knowledge & equipment that I am looking for

nor the understanding ..... also you see things from a totally different perspective/belief system 

 

so basically you are wasting my time and sabotaging my thread 

 

 

 

hence ...start your own thread and stay off of mine ..unless you have some research to contribute 

 

 

 

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Research is "creative and systematic work undertaken to increase the stock of knowledge".^[1] It involves the collection, organization and analysis of information to increase understanding of a topic or issue. A research project may be an expansion on past work in the field. To test the validity of instruments, procedures, or experiments, research may replicate elements of prior projects or the project as a whole.

 

 

Edited October 17, 2021 by Deca

[Deca]

ok quick recap 

 

this is my view of gangstalking

 

"gangstalking" is more of a POV description from somebody psychologically destabilized and in a state of hyper arousal ...possible suffering from shock/trauma and can be easily irritable/startled

 

also they may be a be a victim/magnet for anti-social behaviour, disability hate crimes, informal/formal social control

 

 what they are experiencing has led them to research on the internet and have found others in a similar situation and to a the "belief" in gangstalking that lets the navigate there situation ...gives them a template/explanation .....thou this is very flawed and actually makes their personal situation worse and more dependent on other victims and drives/alienates  them away from local support from family/friends/community etc

 

Edited October 17, 2021 by Deca

[Deca]

Also, to note

 

cointelpro, zerzetig ,JTRIG and MKULTRA are all declassified real programs

 

"gangstalking" is a slang term coined by victims themselfs  that cherry-picks from other programs, but there are no documents ..its just what victims have pieced together

 

https://network23.org/infiltrators/2015/03/02/surviving-surveillance-east-german-activists-and-the-stasi/

 

 

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The Stasi and Zersetzung

After the East German popular uprising in June 1953 (suppressed by Soviet troops) the government gave the Stasi the task of systematic surveillance and prevention of unrest in the population. Initially this took the form of brutal physical repression: imprisonment and physical abuse (including torture) by police and secret police. But this changed during the 1970s when the GDR became more interested in gaining a positive international image and the repression of activists became more subtle. The Stasi redefined the military term Zersetzung (attrition or corrosion), to name their harassment tactics: the aim was to disrupt the working of groups and the lives of individuals to such a degree that their activism became ineffective, or more preferably, ceased altogether.

The aim of the Zersetzung was to ‘switch off’ the group by rendering it ineffective, with an interim goal of hindering any positive media or public exposure. The usual ways to switch groups off were to:

• create conflict between members – particularly useful subjects for sowing discord were those of a philosophical or political nature, money and sexual relations;
• hinder and sabotage activities by one or more infiltrators, who would agree to do tasks, but not get round to doing them, lose materials and equipment, repeatedly make suggestions for changes and edits of materials, attempt to divert the group into more harmless activities etc;
• isolate the groups from other activists, eg by spreading rumours regarding unacceptable behaviour and political views etc.

 

So again, what activism were people claiming to be "gangstalked" doing prior to being targeted ????

Also, Zersetzung was done before the CCTV and other recording device were so cheap and widespread ...and things like the internet where it all could be exposed easily ....

 

 

[Deca]

Next is the "It's ok i am not mentally ill ....just gangstalked" phrase ..that just does not work .....people  just don't go "dam I thought you were crazy ..but now you say your gangstalked everything thing makes complete sense " ...sorry this just does not happen ..... people just think you are crazy/paranoid and hope you don't lose it, so they have to act and call the police/ambulance etc

 

also try to convince your mental health worker/psychiatrists that "you're not mentally ill just gangstalked" does not work either ...it just proves to them that you have a persecutory delusion, and you have no insight into your illness ..and probably keep you on a ward for longer .....a psychiatrist can't diagnose you as being "gangstalked" or a "TI" ..he's not going to investigate ...all you're doing by try to explain "gangstalking" is letting him tick a box in the persecutory delusion section and so you meet the criteria of a mental diagnosis......   Also, you can't prove a negative .."not mentally ill" but prove you are sane and have no intentions in harming yourself or others ok  ....

 

So claiming to be "gangstalked" does not make people think you are "not mentally ill...i.e sane" so again it fails at that as well

 

[Deca]

Next is the so called "gangstalking Tactics" post on various websites

 

these are written as if they are proven facts .....but if that was the case an all these people know how it works and have all the tactics why can't they catch anybody at it or convince non Ti`s that this is a thing ....nope all these websites do is indoctrinate vulnerable people with false beliefs that wreck their lives

 

example

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Gang Stalking Methods.

1. Street Theater and/or Brighting Are there cars or trucks with their headlights On always on the roadside or in driveways along YOUR route almost every time you go out? Or Open Car doors or Trunks during the day or even both. Is there people getting in Or out of cars just as you go by way too often than normal? Or car’s flashers and horns going off near you alot more than usual? Are strange events happening in pairs or patterns of twos…etc.?

 

gangstalking believing victims are told that cars that have their lights on during the day, are perps...letting them know they are being watched...and also the perp drives a newish car so must be making loads of money gangstalking them

 

but a simple google search will show you that many new cars are fitted with daylight running lights

 

also, many people these days pull over and leave their car running/lights on etc. when answering their phone etc

 

also, when you are in a hypervigilance/stressed state everyday background ambient sounds become foreground sounds and can sound louder and be irritating

Edited October 17, 2021 by Deca

[Relativity]

On 10/17/2021 at 6:24 PM, Deca said:

ok quick recap 

 

this is my view of gangstalking

 

"gangstalking" is more of a POV description from somebody psychologically destabilized and in a state of hyper arousal ...possible suffering from shock/trauma and can be easily irritable/startled

 

also they may be a be a victim/magnet for anti-social behaviour, disability hate crimes, informal/formal social control

 

 what they are experiencing has led them to research on the internet and have found others in a similar situation and to a the "belief" in gangstalking that lets the navigate there situation ...gives them a template/explanation .....thou this is very flawed and actually makes their personal situation worse and more dependent on other victims and drives/alienates  them away from local support from family/friends/community etc

 

Hi there deca, what do you the suppose phenom is about, made up mess in suppose victims mind, or something going on for some reason ie a type of program the person is under?

I believe that I have been under attack but for reasons I can't fathom. I had a lot of evidence on film and pictures on sd cards which showed cycles of these cars and the groups of people in them. For eg. 4 people in one car, then the 4 would be 2s in 2 cars, then all 4 in separate cars, every time different cars. I had filmed footage of number plates being altered in a back street mechanics that was working out of a council estate car park, they were working on multi car plates. Strangly the computer I was working on got corrupted and all sim cards had been wiped somehow. The police asked if I was into organised crime cos that mayexain it(never have been). My mum used to work under the met, and she told me about the Masons and how they are mostly into it. She then went to the police to have me sectioned because I was openlytalking Bout Mason's. Then she tried to get my kids removed. I manged to stave all that off. I once done 3 uturns in one road and a car that was in my mind following me did the exact same every time I done one. I know you don't want personal accounts but I have other stuff I've not mentioned that may/may not be of interest. A bit of a military aspect that I'm not mentioning in open forum.

I believe a lot what you see on online accounts are there to discredit a few that do experience the phenom, whether it freemason, scientology of some kind of program your in. I believe its the latter option.

I had to in the end learn to disassociate with what is going on because the more shadows I chased the more worse the situation was getting, but I'll stand firm there was something going on. I'm not trying to derail your thread like the other poster just seeing of somehow I can help your research in anyway

 

[Relativity]

If it is derailing I'll edit it out

[Deca]

15 minutes ago, Relativity said:

Hi there deca, what do you the suppose phenom is about, made up mess in suppose victims mind, or something going on for some reason ie a type of program the person is under?

I believe that I have been under attack but for reasons I can't fathom. I had a lot of evidence on film and pictures on sd cards which showed cycles of these cars and the groups of people in them. For eg. 4 people in one car, then the 4 would be 2s in 2 cars, then all 4 in separate cars, every time different cars. I had filmed footage of number plates being altered in a back street mechanics that was working out of a council estate car park, they were working on multi car plates. Strangly the computer I was working on got corrupted and all sim cards had been wiped somehow. The police asked if I was into organised crime cos that mayexain it(never have been). My mum used to work under the met, and she told me about the Masons and how they are mostly into it. She then went to the police to have me sectioned because I was openlytalking Bout Mason's. Then she tried to get my kids removed. I manged to stave all that off. I once done 3 uturns in one road and a car that was in my mind following me did the exact same every time I done one. I know you don't want personal accounts but I have other stuff I've not mentioned that may/may not be of interest. A bit of a military aspect that I'm not mentioning in open forum.

I believe a lot what you see on online accounts are there to discredit a few that do experience the phenom, whether it freemason, scientology of some kind of program your in. I believe its the latter option.

I had to in the end learn to disassociate with what is going on because the more shadows I chased the more worse the situation was getting, but I'll stand firm there was something going on. I'm not trying to derail your thread like the other poster just seeing of somehow I can help your research in anyway

 

I think you are jumbling many things up and trying to find patterns/connections where there is none and your brain is filling in the gaps  to create a narrative out of it trying to  make sense of it all ...which might make sense to YOU, but just sounds like mangled up paranoid mess to anybody else ....(except other "gangstalked" Ti's who are reinforcing this kind of thinking ) ....again you have to understand many things can skew with your ability to perceive/interpret reality and your brain is a complex thing

 

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Deca

[Relativity]

1 minute ago, Deca said:

I think you are jumbling many things up and trying to find patterns/connections  where there is none and create a narrative out of it trying to  make sense of it all ...which might make sense to YOU, but just sounds like mangled up paranoid mess to anybody else ....(except other "gangstalked" Ti's who are reinforcing this kind of thinking ) ....again you have to understand many things and skew with your ability to perceive/interpret reality and your brain is a complex thing

 

 

I do get that and have a philosophy of until you can rule something out 100percent it has to remain a possibility no matter how sane or ludicrous the option is. Never met a ti that has been able to give me a view that fits with me. The freemason aspect only came in once I looked up gangstalking, but when I see there was a way to get them to reveal if they was a freemason or not I did that. Everyone I suspected as being involved I asked them(which was 90 percent of people around me) they all answered they was.now that could have been everyone having a laugh at my expense, but to that not everyone would have answered yes. So that begs the question of why am I surrounded by Masons, stalking or not the numbers of Masons world wide seems a bit strange I was on a hundred percent strike rate of getting yes as answer. The negate to that was I only asking if it was Masons because that's what the computer search suggests. I don't buy into the weapons being beamed at me aspect of things. Maybe surveillance of my devices maybe listening into conversations.

I came across the cars I had been filming and suspecting of things in mass storage areas. I get you say I may be conflating issues, but how many coincident become something else. I was having people tell me(family and others) to stop asking questions(some of whom had imput before that) because I was getting people in trouble. Now if I wasn't onto something why would I be getting in trouble? Now obviously the Masons exist so that aspect is true, whether there targeting you or vetting you or some sick joke in there group is going on, or whether there just a cover for it is also there. But the number of Masons around me doesn't add up in the reported numbers in there organisation. So would you say that's a coincidence the high numbers around me, and everyone I suspected of following me just coincidently happened to be a Mason. But in my head I got a different answer to what should have been nothing. 

 

 

[Relativity]

On 10/13/2021 at 1:52 AM, Deca said:

Ok lets break this down

 

first, I see myself as mind control electronic harassment victim ...and thus understand that my beliefs/perception can be manipulated/skewed by targeting or by the psychological impact of it, Also my ability to function in society can be effected etc. and that can cause others to perceive/act towards me negatively .....thus I see things that would be labelled as "gangstalking" (thou I hate the terminology) as more of a product/consequence of my situation rather than the cause

 

people claiming to be "gangstalked" tend to see it as other people are either manipulated/recruited to act negatively towards them ....play tricks on them ....or to lies about them, they also think their beliefs/perception are accurate and that other people go to great lengths to try to make it appear as if they are mentally ill or to make others think they are .....

 

I personally believe "gangstalking" is more of a POV description from somebody psychologically destabilized and in a state of hyper arousal ...possible suffering from shock/trauma and can be easily irritable/startled ....actively "looking" for some type of external "pattern/ link/connection" for what they are experiencing  and after a while my well be a victim/magnet for anti-social behavior, disability hate crimes, informal/formal social control etc ...its more of a descriptive monologue of their downfall in society and slipping into paranoia ...rather than a genuine explanation

I yet to come across any credible, objective evidence supporting "gangstalking"

 

so in my case It's not about proving or disproving  gangstalking

 

buy why people believe it in the first place and how they can overcome it

What was your thoughts as to why your situation arose?

I think in the end all you can do is put the thoughts to the back of your mind and just learn to be happy. If they wanted to hurt you physically they would but in my case that situation never came about so I learnt to put my mind back onto living. I only avoided certain things because I had evidence. Then that got wiped. So I had to be extra cautious with accusations. But social services got to see it, and it left them not being able to take my kids.

[Deca]

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English Freemasonry is disintegrating before our very eyes. It is currently (astonishingly) losing on average about 100 lodges a year, due to waning interest in the Lodge. The number of lodges on the register of the United Grand Lodge of England (the governing body of English and Welsh Freemasonry), has collapsed from 8,389 in 2006 to 7,401 in 2016.

Once the epicenter of Freemasonry worldwide, the English Lodge has reached an historic tipping point. Hundreds of Britain’s lodges are disappearing because the nation has lost interest in Freemasonry. The Lodge is seen as belonging to a former day. It is not relevant to today’s upwardly mobile society. It has become identified with eccentric old grandpas, who refer to themselves by the most ridiculous of office titles, and are obsessed with the most absurd of silly rituals.

While the United Grand Lodge of England had 270,000 members in 2007, the membership had fell to 192,818 by 2020. That is a massive drop of near 30% in 14 years.

No healthy organization can sustain such a downfall and not eventually go out of existence. This is such a serious dissolution, considering the Freemasonry once had 500,000 members in England and Wales alone. In years to come, Freemasonry will probably be the domain of a few elderly committed eccentrics.

https://www.evangelicaltruth.com/english-freemasonry-collapse

 

 

[Relativity]

46 minutes ago, Deca said:

I think you are jumbling many things up and trying to find patterns/connections where there is none and your brain is filling in the gaps  to create a narrative out of it trying to  make sense of it all ...which might make sense to YOU, but just sounds like mangled up paranoid mess to anybody else ....(except other "gangstalked" Ti's who are reinforcing this kind of thinking ) ....again you have to understand many things can skew with your ability to perceive/interpret reality and your brain is a complex thing

 

 

Do you subscribe to if the brain thinks it it can become a reality. Just for thoughts, what's your take on my situation. I get you said jumbled mess, but as to how(I'm not being a dick on this) this happened

1.its not going on and I precieve something is going on

2.ive been hit with some kind of tech that's led to this

3.some kind of program

4. Something else

[Deca]

Look what is the definition of a TI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_harassment

 

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Electronic harassment, electromagnetic torture, or psychotronic torture is a conspiracy theory that government agents make use of electromagnetic radiation (such as the microwave auditory effect), radar, and surveillance techniques to transmit sounds and thoughts into people's heads, affect people's bodies, and harass people.^[1][2] Individuals who claim to experience this call themselves "targeted individuals" (TIs). They claim they are victims of gang stalking and many have created or joined support and advocacy groups.^[3][4]

 

 

stop listing crap spread about targeting by others online claiming to be one ....there so much sh*t