The homosexual elite and the velvet mafia

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

the OP was exploring a certain issue and there does seem to be some information accumulating around that issue

 

does a 'velvet mafia' exist in britain and is it connected, historically to marxism, occultism and pedophilia?

 

well that's the point of talking about these things isn't it to see what information there is and then let the information speak for itself

 

some interesting areas to look into rob for more clarity on this are the kincora boys school scandal, the haute de la garenne school on jersey and also the cambridge 5 spy ring who were marxists in the velvet mafia

 

I hear what you're saying but i think the term "gay mafia" is hyperbole designed to promote homophobia and there's been enough of that in this thread, which has given people the excuse to call gays "faggots", etc.

 

 

[Macnamara]

Just now, RobSS said:

I hear what you're saying but i think the term "gay mafia" is hyperbole designed to promote homophobia and there's been enough of that in this thread, which has given people the excuse to call gays "faggots", etc.

 

so there's no gay community rob and gay people will never work together to advance their own interests?

 

[Macnamara]

Ok to add some more nuance to my position in this debate i would say that i don't think THE conspiracy is a gay conspiracy

 

What i DO think is happening though is that THE conspiracy is pushing a homosexual agenda as part of their identarianism and as part of cultural marxism to pursue a challenge to the nuclear family (which they wish to replace with the state and ultimately transhumanism)

[RobSS]

3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

so there's no gay community rob and gay people will never work together to advance their own interests?

 

 

There;s a vast difference between a community and a mafia. You're photo shows a community.

 

 

[RobSS]

2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

What i DO think is happening though is that THE conspiracy is pushing a homosexual agenda as part of their identarianism and as part of cultural marxism to pursue a challenge to the nuclear family (which they wish to replace with the state and ultimately transhumanism)

 

 

Which is a different subject to this thread title!

 

[Macnamara]

3 minutes ago, RobSS said:

There;s a vast difference between a community and a mafia. You're photo shows a community.

 

a community that has enough clout that it can hold huge parades through cities across the west whilst it has a lobby group pushing into all areas of the british establishment, whilst being funded by the british taxpayer, to exert its influence on all areas of british life:

How Stonewall influenced the BBC: Broadcaster's trainers used graphic of 'genderbread person' in presentation to staff amid involvement in controversial scheme

• New podcast investigated lobby group's influence over numerous public bodies  
• Adapted their policies through membership of lobby group's diversity schemes
• Has promoted hard-line ideas that are controversial even within LGBT movement

By MailOnline Reporter

Published: 15:32 GMT, 18 October 2021 | Updated: 00:50 GMT, 21 October 2021

The BBC showed staff a controversial 'genderbread person' graphic in equality training using material from under-fire LGBT charity Stonewall - and is now refusing to answer questions from one of its own presenters about its links with the organisation.

An investigation by Nolan Investigates, a podcast run by 5 Live presenter Stephen Nolan, found that the image was presented to employees as part of an internal BBC course set up in conjunction with the lobby group.

The 'genderbread person' graphic depicts sex as a spectrum and defines gender identity as 'how you think about yourself'. It was apparently shown to BBC staff with no alternative explanations despite these ideas being contested. 

Nolan Investigates examined how public-funded bodies including the BBC, Ofcom and the Scottish and Welsh governments have been influenced by Stonewall due to their involvement in the group's diversity schemes.

The programme revealed that Nicola Sturgeon's government agreed to delete the word 'mother' from its maternity leave policy after pressure from Stonewall. Stonewall requests ministers to remove 'gendered' words from official policies as part of its advice on becoming more LGBT friendly. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10103115/How-Stonewall-influenced-BBC.html

 

 

 

 

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

a community that has enough clout that it can hold huge parades through cities across the west whilst it has a lobby group pushing into all areas of the british establishment, whilst being funded by the british taxpayer, to exert its influence on all areas of british life:

How Stonewall influenced the BBC: Broadcaster's trainers used graphic of 'genderbread person' in presentation to staff amid involvement in controversial scheme

• New podcast investigated lobby group's influence over numerous public bodies  
• Adapted their policies through membership of lobby group's diversity schemes
• Has promoted hard-line ideas that are controversial even within LGBT movement

By MailOnline Reporter

Published: 15:32 GMT, 18 October 2021 | Updated: 00:50 GMT, 21 October 2021

The BBC showed staff a controversial 'genderbread person' graphic in equality training using material from under-fire LGBT charity Stonewall - and is now refusing to answer questions from one of its own presenters about its links with the organisation.

An investigation by Nolan Investigates, a podcast run by 5 Live presenter Stephen Nolan, found that the image was presented to employees as part of an internal BBC course set up in conjunction with the lobby group.

The 'genderbread person' graphic depicts sex as a spectrum and defines gender identity as 'how you think about yourself'. It was apparently shown to BBC staff with no alternative explanations despite these ideas being contested. 

Nolan Investigates examined how public-funded bodies including the BBC, Ofcom and the Scottish and Welsh governments have been influenced by Stonewall due to their involvement in the group's diversity schemes.

The programme revealed that Nicola Sturgeon's government agreed to delete the word 'mother' from its maternity leave policy after pressure from Stonewall. Stonewall requests ministers to remove 'gendered' words from official policies as part of its advice on becoming more LGBT friendly. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10103115/How-Stonewall-influenced-BBC.html

 

 

 

 

 

Stonewall has already been discussed. They are not a "mafia" and they do not represent grass roots gay people.

 

 

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Stonewall has already been discussed. They are not a "mafia" and they do not represent grass roots gay people.

 

They represent THE AGENDA and here we see that name PETER MANDELSON again:

 

Stonewall UK is a "LGBT" pressure group campaigning for the homosexual agenda.

Set up in 1989, by a group that included Ian McKellen, Ben Summerskill, Peter [now Lord] Mandelson, Waheed (now Lord) Ali, Matthew Parris, Michael (now Lord) Cashman, Angela Mason and Lisa Power. The initial aim of the group was to obtain the abolition of Section 28 of the Local Government Act passed in 1988, which prohibited any promotion of homosexuality in British schools.

 

https://www.conservapedia.com/Stonewall_UK

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

They represent THE AGENDA and here we see that name PETER MANDELSON again:

 

Stonewall UK is a "LGBT" pressure group campaigning for the homosexual agenda.

Set up in 1989, by a group that included Ian McKellen, Ben Summerskill, Peter [now Lord] Mandelson, Waheed (now Lord) Ali, Matthew Parris, Michael (now Lord) Cashman, Angela Mason and Lisa Power. The initial aim of the group was to obtain the abolition of Section 28 of the Local Government Act passed in 1988, which prohibited any promotion of homosexuality in British schools.

 

https://www.conservapedia.com/Stonewall_UK

 

But they are not a "mafia". The word "mafia" is the wrong word to use. It's an unnecessary emotive term, which only undermines serious progress.

 

And yes, there is an agenda, but it a political issue, not a sexual orientation issue.

 

 

[Macnamara]

19 minutes ago, RobSS said:

But they are not a "mafia". The word "mafia" is the wrong word to use. It's an unnecessary emotive term, which only undermines serious progress.

 

And yes, there is an agenda, but it a political issue, not a sexual orientation issue.

 

''The incest is mostly anal sex which targets the lower chakra (colour red) at the base of the spine which stimulates the reptilian brain at the top of the spine''

p266 The Perception Deception by David Icke

Edited January 11 by Macnamara

[RobSS]

19 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

''The incest is mostly anal sex which targets the lower chakra (colour red) at the base of the spine which stimulates the reptilian brain at the top of the spine''

p266 The Perception Deception by David Icke

 

For your information, not all gay people are into anal sex.

 

 

[Macnamara]

5 minutes ago, RobSS said:

For your information, not all gay people are into anal sex.

 

for your information to say that there is no sexual angle to the conspiracy is wrong, according to davids writings

 

There IS an anal aspect to the ritual abuse and having looked into the occult that is certainly something that crowley was promoting even as far as to enshrine it into the rituals of the OTO

 

So from a conspiracy perspective we have to ask to what extent was crowley a free agent and to what extent was he actually a servant of the sabbateans

 

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

for your information to say that there is no sexual angle to the conspiracy is wrong, according to davids writings

 

There IS an anal aspect to the ritual abuse and having looked into the occult that is certainly something that crowley was promoting even as far as to enshrine it into the rituals of the OTO

 

So from a conspiracy perspective we have to ask to what extent was crowley a free agent and to what extent was he actually a servant of the sabbateans

 

 

I'm sure Crowley was a servant of something sinister, but it's got nothing to do with gay people.

 

 

[Macnamara]

23 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

I'm sure Crowley was a servant of something sinister, but it's got nothing to do with gay people.

 

well he was one and he made anal sex into part of the grade system of the oto

 

he also twisted the tree of life to accommodate that so i guess what i'm interested in is to what extent sabbatean INVERSION pushed certain agendas in order to invert the societal norms of christendom

Edited January 12 by Macnamara

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

well he was one and he made anal sex into part of the grade system of the oto

 

he also twisted the tree of life to accommodate that so i guess what i'm interested in is to what extent sabbatean INVERSION pushed certain agendas in order to invert the societal norms of christendom

 

He involved sex with black magic, which is obviously wrong! LOL

 

 

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

He involved sex with black magic, which is obviously wrong! LOL

 

no the sex magic was there BEFORE crowley was involved

 

what he did was to make anal sex one of the grades of their initiatory grade system. Basically no one could reach the top of the OTO without undergoing anal sex

 

This could possibly have origins in crowleys travels abroad as i did hear something about things being transmitted down lineages; it may have involved the dugpas or something from that part of the world, i can't remember

[RobSS]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

no the sex magic was there BEFORE crowley was involved

 

what he did was to make anal sex one of the grades of their initiatory grade system. Basically no one could reach the top of the OTO without undergoing anal sex

 

This could possibly have origins in crowleys travels abroad as i did hear something about things being transmitted down lineages; it may have involved the dugpas or something from that part of the world, i can't remember

 

Then you need to start up a campaign against anal sex in general because some  heterosexual men engage in it too!

 

 

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Then you need to start up a campaign against anal sex in general because some  heterosexual men engage in it too!

 

crowleys degree was man on man and we know that he had an agenda to overturn christianity and christian societal mores and when we look at how things are playing out in our society we can see that his efforts are coming to fruition

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

crowleys degree was man on man and we know that he had an agenda to overturn christianity and christian societal mores and when we look at how things are playing out in our society we can see that his efforts are coming to fruition

 

But he was doing it in conjunction with the occult.

 

 

 

[Macnamara]

Just now, RobSS said:

But he was doing it in conjunction with the occult.

 

yes and this conspiracy we are here to discuss IS an occult conspiracy

 

you cannot separate the elites or corporations or intelligence agencies from the occult. It is all one thing lumped together into the same conspiracy

[RobSS]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

''The incest is mostly anal sex which targets the lower chakra (colour red) at the base of the spine which stimulates the reptilian brain at the top of the spine''

p266 The Perception Deception by David Icke

 

So that would affect women in the same way.

 

 

 

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

yes and this conspiracy we are here to discuss IS an occult conspiracy

 

you cannot separate the elites or corporations or intelligence agencies from the occult. It is all one thing lumped together into the same conspiracy

 

Who was trying to do that?

 

 

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

So that would affect women in the same way.

 

here is the end of that quote:

 

''this, of course, is what happens with the clergy and their boy victims''

 

so....once again leaning towards that side of things and certainly the vatican looks like it is run by a gay cult:

Four in five Vatican priests are gay, book claims

This article is more than 2 years old

French journalist’s book is a ‘startling account of corruption and hypocrisy’, publisher says

Harriet Sherwood Religion correspondent

@harrietsherwood

Tue 12 Feb 2019 16.47 GMT

Some of the most senior clerics in the Roman Catholic church who have vociferously attacked homosexuality are themselves gay, according to a book to be published next week.

Eighty per cent of priests working at the Vatican are gay, although not necessarily sexually active, it is claimed in the book, In the Closet of the Vatican.

The 570-page book, which the French journalist and author Frédéric Martel spent four years researching, is a “startling account of corruption and hypocrisy at the heart of the Vatican”, according to its British publisher Bloomsbury.

It is being published in eight languages across 20 countries next Wednesday, coinciding with the opening day of a conference at the Vatican on sexual abuse, to which bishops from all over the world have been summoned.

Martel, a former adviser to the French government, conducted 1,500 interviews while researching the book, including with 41 cardinals, 52 bishops and monsignors, 45 papal ambassadors or diplomatic officials, 11 Swiss guards and more than 200 priests and seminarians, according to a report on the Catholic website the Tablet.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/12/four-in-five-vatican-priests-are-gay-book-claims

 

 

 

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

here is the end of that quote:

 

''this, of course, is what happens with the clergy and their boy victims''

 

so....once again leaning towards that side of things and certainly the vatican looks like it is run by a gay cult:

Four in five Vatican priests are gay, book claims

This article is more than 2 years old

French journalist’s book is a ‘startling account of corruption and hypocrisy’, publisher says

Harriet Sherwood Religion correspondent

 

 

@harrietsherwood

Tue 12 Feb 2019 16.47 GMT

Some of the most senior clerics in the Roman Catholic church who have vociferously attacked homosexuality are themselves gay, according to a book to be published next week.

Eighty per cent of priests working at the Vatican are gay, although not necessarily sexually active, it is claimed in the book, In the Closet of the Vatican.

The 570-page book, which the French journalist and author Frédéric Martel spent four years researching, is a “startling account of corruption and hypocrisy at the heart of the Vatican”, according to its British publisher Bloomsbury.

It is being published in eight languages across 20 countries next Wednesday, coinciding with the opening day of a conference at the Vatican on sexual abuse, to which bishops from all over the world have been summoned.

Martel, a former adviser to the French government, conducted 1,500 interviews while researching the book, including with 41 cardinals, 52 bishops and monsignors, 45 papal ambassadors or diplomatic officials, 11 Swiss guards and more than 200 priests and seminarians, according to a report on the Catholic website the Tablet.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/12/four-in-five-vatican-priests-are-gay-book-claims

 

 

What's new? So what if 4 out of five priests are gay?

 

What's your point, what are you trying tos say exactly?

 

 

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, RobSS said:

What's new? So what if 4 out of five priests are gay?

 

then a velvet mafia might be controlling the vatican

 

1 minute ago, RobSS said:

What's your point, what are you trying tos say exactly?

 

that a velvet mafia might be controlling the vatican