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16 minutes ago, tommydrifter said:

hello robss, hello everybody

 

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re: the secrecy and lies harms children

 

both of my parents are closet homosexuals and my childhood was a traumatic experience for this and other reasons. i have trouble relating to people because of this background. so in my own experience,  growing up among so many lies, secrets, manipulations and deceptions, i can confirm that these toxic environments cause untold suffering and perpetuate the circle-of-abuse.

 

 

Hello,

 

Very sorry to hear about your experience with your parents.

 

I think a lot of gay people are working very hard on being open about their sexuality. I agree, it's very unhealthy to lead a double life. 20 years or so ago, it was much more difficult. It's easier these days, but there's still a lot that needs to be worked on, for a happier society.

 

16 minutes ago, tommydrifter said:

 

it is for each person to work out for themselves who and what they are: i am not saying everybody should think and feel like i do. my sincere wish is for each and every person to come out of hiding and be a fearless expression of their authentic true-self.

 

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have a great day everybody

 

Have a great day, to you too!

 

 

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1 hour ago, tommydrifter said:

 

in the context of my understanding of my own sexuality, anal penetration is wrong but i am not generalising that. when i think about anal penetration, in the context of my own sexuality, this is humiliating and painful: a masochistic act.

 

Some hetrosexuals think the same about normal sex. The woman physically submits to being dominated by the man, then a brutal physical act takes place that can start out painful and end up with the woman not orgasaming and the whole thing seems like a brutal act designed to bring pleasure to one party - thats sado machosim to.

 

1 hour ago, tommydrifter said:

both of my parents are closet homosexuals and my childhood was a traumatic experience for this and other reasons. i have trouble relating to people because of this background. so in my own experience,  growing up among so many lies, secrets, manipulations and deceptions, i can confirm that these toxic environments cause untold suffering and perpetuate the circle-of-abuse.

 

I'm sorry you have had a hard time but I think you should be understanding of your parents position - they were different and maybe they were'nt strong enough to face up to it.

 

But instead they found each other and made a decision to start a family, perpetuating their genes, which is why we're here, and try to live a 'normal' life. Its a decision they made, I'm sure they never meant to hurt you through it. Maybe it was wrong, I don't think it neccessary was if it allowed them to function in the society they were brought up in. They would have tried to hide it from you to give you a normal start in life. If they gave you a loving, caring, stable environment then they did well.

 

I wouldn't judge them harshly if I was you.

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12 hours ago, pi3141 said:

nerve centre up the top of the passage and when touched causes orgasmic sensations. Now, God created us, so God put that nerve centre there, why do that?

 

Blissfully single, straight, woman here (any more labels needed?)

 

Just chiming in because this thread is becoming a bit sad now. We are fighting over things we have no knowledge of...

 

To put it simply---It would seem that we are screenshot replicas of the original energy being experiment.

 

We are smaller and weaker 'images' of the original 'truth'.

 

Merely from the perspective of this strange discussion folks are having on here---our bodies are like Children's Storybooks with A, B, C labelled clearly to tell us infantile beings what each thing does symbolically.

 

The 9 or so energy points in the original energy being experiment related to the original experiment of playing with creation. Homam/ Yajna/ Sacrifice (similar to lighting & dousing the fire after camping in the woods), was done through these channels. Through the 'upper' channels one is liberated from the game instantly. 'Lower' channels led to repeated cycles..long story..

 

the nerve centres roughly coordinate to that but for satanists or any group to say that actual penetration in current bodies will lead to something is like telling a child to leave a tooth for the tooth fairy. they are just messing with these esoteric references, satan etc to control people and make this entire, lowly fake existence we are leading a bit more dramatic. 

 

These are mere token symbolic bodies we have now. Mere pictorial representations that serve as pleasure nodes ...so far we have fallen...

 

The Instrument or Yantra of body (One) was created for the original ritual of creation. Actual creation with another entity (eg. consummation between man and woman) needed to be resorted to in order to wipe out the residual 'desires' in that energy point.. that has since become a denser frozen body frame because the desires had solidified over ages, instead of being liberated.

 

Towards the end of the ritual, the last node roughly corresponds to what is being discussed here..

I must say however that I am not an expert, just offered food for thought to make the cringey discussion a bit 'sane' and 'logical'...not judging anyone.

 

 

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12 hours ago, m754 said:

Just chiming in because this thread is becoming a bit sad now. We are fighting over things we have no knowledge of...

 

Hi, thanks for the input.

 

Yes I admit I have no 'direct knowledge' just what I have gleaned over the years, I may be wrong but its obvious Gay men have sex for a reason - they must derive pleasure from it or they wouldn't do it. I believe they achieve and orgasm.

 

12 hours ago, m754 said:

These are mere token symbolic bodies we have now. Mere pictorial representations that serve as pleasure nodes ...so far we have fallen...

 

Sounds a bit Luciferian - 'Oh Lucifer, how art thou fallen' 

 

Do you think we are all 'fallen' sinful creatures waiting to be reborn? Or enlightened or something? That sounds a bit wrong to me, a bit Luciferian, inverted it may be, but still, based on Luciferian doctrine.

 

We are not fallen, we are not born in original sin, there is no Hell and Lucifer is a figment of the Roman Churches imagination.

 

At least that's what I think.

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16 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

We are not fallen, we are not born in original sin, there is no Hell and Lucifer is a figment of the Roman Churches imagination.

 

 

I don't think the Bible teaches that hell is a place you can find in the A to Z or nowadays, Google maps. Hell is a state of mind.

 

"Original sin" is a term, but I regard that as the over development of the intellect, an hereditary issue.

 

Regarding "fallen", we are fallen in the sense that humanity has forgotten the state of innocence from which humanity first developed. We have an inkling of that innocent state as children, but age can erase a lot of childlikeness, and so a state of "fallen-ness" ensues. It's possible to regain the fallen state by unburying the cardinal virtues that lie within the human being (prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance), as opposed to the deadly sins that corrupt the soul. In Christianity, of course, there are four additional virtues that contribute to purifying a fallen state and ennobling a person, namely faith, hope and charity.

 

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18 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

I don't think the Bible teaches that hell is a place you can find in the A to Z or nowadays, Google maps. Hell is a state of mind.

 

"Original sin" is a term, but I regard that as the over development of the intellect, an hereditary issue.

 

Regarding "fallen", we are fallen in the sense that humanity has forgotten the state of innocence from which humanity first developed. We have an inkling of that innocent state as children, but age can erase a lot of childlikeness, and so a state of "fallen-ness" ensues. It's possible to regain the fallen state by unburying the cardinal virtues that lie within the human being (prudence, justice, fortitude, temperance), as opposed to the deadly sins that corrupt the soul. In Christianity, of course, there are four additional virtues that contribute to purifying a fallen state and ennobling a person, namely faith, hope and charity.

 

 

Well Christians mostly believe that Hell is a literal place with an all powerful ruler called Satan, able to challenge God and trap his creations and subject them to eternal torment. But yes, I think in Judaism its more a state of mind.

 

Regarding Fallen, I do not have the same interpretation to you of Genesis creation account.

 

First of all I believe it is taken from earlier Pagan sources, secondly I think it corresponds to our animal state before we evolved to fully human consciousness. I do not go in for all this, we were innocent and now we are guilty guilt trip that the Church lays down. Its a description of ourselves as animals or in the animal state, leading a simple life, foraging and sleeping wherever, naked etc and then our evolving into humans with human consciousness and awareness, and it alludes to the greatness we can achieve, God like intelligence and immortality. But Genesis is not something we need pay to much attention to, nor is Revelations. imo Its window dressing, it can be interpreted in many ways, symbolically using sacred geometry for instance and yes it encodes higher knowledge, so knock yourself out looking for that, I focus on the New Testament and the teachings of the one we call Jesus Christ. I'm buying up second hand copies of Anchor Bible series version and reading them, although I haven't been doing much of that lately and the next book in the series I am going to buy is Revelations merely so I can comment on it on threads like these!

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1 minute ago, pi3141 said:

 

Well Christians mostly believe that Hell is a literal place with an all powerful ruler called Satan, able to challenge God and trap his creations and subject them to eternal torment. But yes, I think in Judaism its more a state of mind.

 

I've never been a follower of 'churchianity'. The problem is a lot of people don't look at the scriptures for themselves, and because of that are easily misled by the doctrines of men. There is no eternal judgement and literal place called hell. Hell is a state of mind that created by negative desires, and I do believe other dimensional reptilian beings can lure people into a hellish state of mind. You only have to read David Icke's research to see how that happens.

 

1 minute ago, pi3141 said:

Regarding Fallen, I do not have the same interpretation to you of Genesis creation account.

 

First of all I believe it is taken from earlier Pagan sources,

 

We disagree about that. it's true there exist earlier creation accounts than Genesis that are Pagan, but that can easily be explained by diabolical mimicry. Other dimensional reptilian beings already knew the creation account before certain humans were given it, at the right time, by God. The fallen angels did that to discredit God and confuse humanity.

 

1 minute ago, pi3141 said:

 

secondly I think it corresponds to our animal state before we evolved to fully human consciousness. I do not go in for all this, we were innocent and now we are guilty guilt trip that the Church lays down. Its a description of ourselves as animals or in the animal state, leading a simple life, foraging and sleeping wherever, naked etc and then our evolving into humans with human consciousness and awareness, and it alludes to the greatness we can achieve, God like intelligence and immortality. But Genesis is not something we need pay to much attention to, nor is Revelations. imo Its window dressing, it can be interpreted in many ways, symbolically using sacred geometry for instance and yes it encodes higher knowledge, so knock yourself out looking for that, I focus on the New Testament and the teachings of the one we call Jesus Christ. I'm buying up second hand copies of Anchor Bible series version and reading them, although I haven't been doing much of that lately and the next book in the series I am going to buy is Revelations merely so I can comment on it on threads like these!

 

We disagree here as well. I agree that the physical aspect of our being may originate from the animal kingdom and evolutionary biology, but our spiritual selves originates from a higher source of consciousness. When we left that original state, and became exposed to the world, wonder and innocence retreated because of our inherited, over developed intellectual brains. The fall was the forgetting of spiritual reality...

 

"The taking and eating of the 'fruit' by the man was his awakening urge to draw to himself the attention of woman, not by means of the intrinsic beauty of his soul or spirit, but by drawing attention to himself by beginning to make himself desirable through accumulating treasures and appropriating various things of materialistic value. In this way began the over-development of the intellect, and its accompanying manifestations of greed, falsehood and oppression. Knowledge and experience of the paradise of the soul/spirit became obscured and lost, relegated to myths and fairy tales. Intellectuals began mocking idealists as dreamers or even impostors. In the meanwhile, tyranny, oppression and ugly human behaviour spread throughout the world like weeds, even like a cancer, choking the simplicity and beauty and truth of the beautiful soul and spirit." (O. Bernhardt)

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Deleted the above post as it was written in a rush. This is a rewritten post, addressing why humanity is fallen - humanity fell down the rabbit hole, of course! 

 

Our spiritual reality is from the future - we're travelling full circle and spiralling upwards and back to where we came, just like Alice... We've already experienced the future, but left it to experience being human on Earth.

 

In the process, and along the journey, we fell down the rabbit hole and became distracted and entrapped in the world of matter, seeking glittery material things and delusions, rather than developing the fruits of the spirit and the seven virtues.

 

However, because we're in the end game, and close to returning back to source we have to realise the importance of remembering who we are, or we'll lose our bearings and soul.

 

That's why we've been given the runaround by the powers that be - to take our minds off the prize. They want us to believe there's no God, that matter is all there is, and that time is linear.

 

They want us to believe everything we create, along a linear timeline, becomes god, so they can control our destiny. They deny we know what spiritual paradise is, so they substitute what reality is for us - a fake digital reality, and disintegration of the soul.

 

The powers that be want us to believe there's no future. They want us to believe we're dependent on them and that we're only a product of the past. It's the transhumanist agenda.They believe they're creating god as they're going along, but God is already within and God is the future, present and past, all at the same time.

 

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4 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Hi, thanks for the input.

 

Yes I admit I have no 'direct knowledge' just what I have gleaned over the years, I may be wrong but its obvious Gay men have sex for a reason - they must derive pleasure from it or they wouldn't do it. I believe they achieve and orgasm.

 

 

Sounds a bit Luciferian - 'Oh Lucifer, how art thou fallen' 

 

Do you think we are all 'fallen' sinful creatures waiting to be reborn? Or enlightened or something? That sounds a bit wrong to me, a bit Luciferian, inverted it may be, but still, based on Luciferian doctrine.

 

We are not fallen, we are not born in original sin, there is no Hell and Lucifer is a figment of the Roman Churches imagination.

 

At least that's what I think.

 

I don't even know about all these 'isms' and names, I look at the idea or concept behind what we are seeing---and just follow where my awakening process takes me and sometimes share here --apparently not a good idea (note to self)

Falling means 'rebirth' in material form again and again in 'lower' dimensional possibilities. We became trapped in this cycle when we turned away from the knowledge/ awareness that we are enlightened beings. therefore we are all here, on this forum for instance..discussing so many contentious matters so seriously forgetting that we ourselves were the creator of it all..

 

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21 minutes ago, m754 said:

--apparently not a good idea (note to self)

 

Please don't think that, we're all on a journey and if we don't discuss and share ideas the journey will be much harder.

 

I too have had an awakening of sorts, I had some sort of experience 6 years ago - it was a psychotic breakdown where I thought I was A son of God, heard voices in my head, began talking in rhyme, had access to an Astral ladder which stretched to heaven, had an influx of ideas and concepts, most of which I have shared on this forum. The bit I wrote a few posts back about the nerve centre was actually the last of the information that was passed to me at that time. The rest is in posts on my religion thread in the religion forum.

 

I have consulted spiritualists and mediums and have been told I am on the right path and my spirit guide has been directing my learning while I've been recovering from that experience. Directing me to read certain books to fill in my knowledge and make sense of the information I received.

 

So like I said, we're all on a journey. Talking helps.

 

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A lot of people are remembering and many have been remembering for many decades. Other people are only just beginning to remember. It doesn't matter how long because time is elastic... remembering can change the nature of time.


What is there to remember?

  • Wisdom, justice, courage, self-control, faith, hope, and love
  • Mindfulness
  • Connecting the dots
  • Health and fitness

Lots if other things... add things to the list and share... eventually, the house of cards will collapse... a way out of the "rabbit hole" will become evident, if we haven't forgotten who we were, before we fell into the dream world.

 

Governments have been very harsh in recent months. It had to happen because we had to see governments in their true colours. Things will change.

 

Back on topic with this thread, and in away, this is all relevant because, if it hadn't of been for gay liberation and rights, we'd still be in the dark ages of sexual repression, along with all the toxic emotions emanating out and poisoning society as a whole.

 

Now that so people have more freedom than ever before in the history of the world, we can use this window of opportunity to remember who we are, to remember what we've forgotten.

 

 

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hello everybody

 

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re: my homosexual parents are crazy

 

to call to spade a spade, my parents' marriage is a marriage of convenience and there is no love in this marriage. my mother is a man-hater. anyone with a penis, she hates. as a child, i was the recipient of her contempt for men. as a result, i have trouble trusting women, projecting on to them my mother's scornful face and experiencing associated negative feelings evoked by my primary care-giver.

 

i point this out because people need to see clearly what is happening in their lives, objectively, in order to give up their illusions about being loved. all child-abuse victims have this issue. i know people will defend their illusions about being loved with vehemence, but i assure you, about this i am right.

 

whether the abuse is intentional or not, abuse is abuse, and people such as my parents are out of their right-minds. they are crazy. this is the world that we live in: crazy people abusing innocent people. this is the circle-of-abuse that everybody denies is happening.

 


re: my understanding of healthy sexuality in the context of my own sexuality

 

my understanding is that sex is an extension of intimacy that you work toward with your partner culminating with the penetration of the vagina with the penis. if done correctly, the sperm cell fertilises the egg cell.

 


re: intimacy vs. rape-culture

 

i do not understand why people enjoy putting things into their arseholes, but if two people are in a loving relationship and want to be intimate in this way, i am respectful of their choice to get inside each other's aresholes.  

 

on the other hand, the "tear her a new one" rape-culture that many homosexuals are into -- these people have a perversion in my understanding of healthy sexuality. this is a power mismatch, sado-masochism, and an act of degradation. my father is one of these people, a sadist.

 


re: my understanding of god-mind and sexuality

 

god-mind is neutral and sex can be used for different purposes. so in this context, there is no right or wrong sexuality, or sexual act. a sexual act can be positive or negative.

 

when you are being sexual, and in particular, when you orgasm, be aware of what you are manifesting with your consciousness because this affects us all.

 

my sincere wish is for people to use their sexuality and the manifesting power of sex in the spirit of love.

 

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have a great day everybody

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On 12/6/2021 at 4:36 PM, Macnamara said:

that depends on what the sabbatean higher ups like the rothschilds and rockefellers want; if they want to genocide white european people then they would want to do certain things like:

 

-destroy their fertility through exposing them to endocrine disrupting chemicals

-foment wars and fund both sides to get europeans to kill each other

-put fluoride in the drinking water to destroy health and lower IQ

-create artificial banking crises so that they can destroy the economic health of people

-inject them all with health destroying mRNA injections

-encourage people to shag ANYTHING except heterosexual relations which enable the birthing of more white people

-the destruction of white peoples history and culture and religion

-flood outsiders into white countries to destroy social cohesion

-encourage non white people to HATE white people to create more discord

-flood the cities and homes of white people with microwaves to destroy their health

-encourage white people to hate themselves and feel guilty so that they never stick up for themselves

 

Defog sprays used to stop glasses steaming up when wearing a face mask could be exposing people to cancer-causing chemicals, study warns

  • Duke University-led researchers analysed nine popular anti-fogging products
  • They found all contain 'fluorotelomer alcohols' and 'fluorotelomer ethoxylates'
  • These both types of so-called per- and polyfluorinated alkyl substances (PFAS)
  • Little is known about the health impacts of the particular PFAS the team found
  • However, some PFAS are linked to cancer, immune issues and thyroid disease
  • And there is fear the identified chemicals may break down into harmful variants

By Ian Randall For Mailonline

Published: 16:06 GMT, 5 January 2022 | Updated: 16:07 GMT, 5 January 2022

The anti-fogging sprays and cloths that have become popular to help stop glasses from steaming up when wearing a face mask may be exposing users to carcinogens. 

That is the warning from Duke University-led experts, who found these treatments may contain cancer-causing per- and polyfluorinated alkyl substances (PFAS)

The team subjected four anti-fogging sprays and five anti-fogging cloths — all of which have received top ratings on Amazon — to high-resolution mass spectrometry.

Specifically, the chemical analysis found that all nine products contained so-called fluorotelomer alcohols (FTOHs) and fluorotelomer ethoxylates (FTEOs).

These are two types of PFAS that have, until now, largely flown under the radar — meaning that scientists are not certain what health impacts they may carry.

However, research has suggested that, once inhaled or absorbed via the skin, FTOHs could well break down in the body into other, long-lived and toxic forms of PFAS.

Such may include perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA), which — along with perfluorooctanesulfonic acid (PFOS) — has been linked to disorders like cancer.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10371589/Health-Anti-fog-sprays-used-stop-glasses-steaming-exposing-people-carcinogens.html

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On 9/22/2021 at 1:15 AM, Macnamara said:

Debates at Davos Get Around to Gay Rights

By Andrew Ross Sorkin

January 19, 2015 9:14 pm

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Daniel S. Loeb, the founder of Third Point, pushed for discussion of gay rights at Davos.Credit Steve Marcus/Reuters

 

Oleg Deripaska, a Russian billionaire investor, was so moved by the panel that he started making calls to friends in his home country that day to begin a dialogue before the following month’s Winter Olympic Games in Sochi, Russia, which became a global lightning rod for human-rights criticism.

https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/debates-at-davos-finally-will-include-gay-rights/

Ireland’s first openly-gay prime minister introduces Mike Pence to his boyfriend

Posted on March 14, 2019
Ireland’s prime minister Leo Varadkar visited the White House for the second time this Thursday, where he thanked President Trump for easing sanctions on Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska

The Russian oligarch, the Old Etonian billionaire and deeply disturbing questions about Lord Mandelson's integrity

By Richard Pendlebury
Updated: 07:01 BST, 11 February 2012

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(from left): Peter Munk, the Canadian founder and chairman of the world's largest gold-producing corporation, Lord Mandelson, oligarch Oleg Deripaska and financier Nat Rothschild as they visit the Siberian smelter

And the smiling man at the centre of this high-powered group?

None other than Peter (now Lord) Mandelson, architect of the New Labour project, former close adviser to Tony Blair and Business Secretary in Gordon Brown’s Cabinet.

At the time these photographs were taken, in January 2005, Mandelson was the EU Trade Commissioner.

But for all the formal poses, hard hats, heavy industrial surroundings and tycoon entourage, Mandelson was in Siberia on a very unofficial basis.

They show something of the extraordinary, all-expenses paid (but officially undeclared) journey, in which Mandelson was taken to within a few hundred miles of the Mongolian border.

The circumstances of, and motives behind, this trip were the focus of a £1.25 million libel trial which ended yesterday in a milestone victory for the Daily Mail. The action had been brought by Nat Rothschild.

We had said that Rothschild encouraged an inappropriately close relationship between Mandelson and Deripaska; one which exposed the then EU commissioner to allegations of conflict of interest and endangered the dignity of his office.

This was politically explosive.

Mandelson’s fondness for the generosity of the super-rich had twice before seen him have to resign from British ministerial positions.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099639/The-Russian-oligarch-Old-Etonian-billionaire-deeply-disturbing-questions-Lord-Mandelsons-integrity.html

 

Pictured: Grinning Labour ex-Cabinet minister Lord Mandelson helping paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein blow out birthday cake candles at Paris party 'a YEAR after financier was charged with sex offences'

  • Photograph shows Lord Mandelson with Jeffrey Epstein at his Paris apartment
  • Taken after Epstein had been charged with soliciting a woman for prostitution
  • Epstein eventually pleaded guilty to procuring a child for prostitution in 2008 

By Harry Howard and Katie Feehan For Mailonline

Published: 00:00 GMT, 10 January 2022 | Updated: 00:51 GMT, 10 January 2022

This is the moment former Labour Cabinet minister Peter Mandelson was pictured with Jeffrey Epstein in his Paris home a year after the billionaire financier had been charged with sex crimes.

The previously unseen photograph, which has been published by The Sun, shows Tony Blair's former spin chief with Epstein as he blows out candles on a birthday cake. 

The photo was reportedly taken inside Epstein's apartment in Paris's Avenue Foch months after Epstein had been formally charged with soliciting a woman for prostitution in August 2006. 

Whilst police at that point had uncovered evidence he had abused underage girls, a US grand jury refused to indict Epstein on charges of sexual relations with minors. 

He eventually pleaded guilty to procuring a child for prostitution in 2008 - after he was pictured with Lord Mandelson. 

However, before the image was taken, news articles had alleged that the tycoon had engaged in sex acts with minors. 

There is no suggestion that Lord Mandelson was aware of the allegations about Epstein at the time the image was taken. 

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Pictured: This is the moment ex Labour Cabinet minister Peter Mandelson was pictured with Jeffrey Epstein in his Paris home a year after the billionaire had been charged with sex crimes
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Prince Andrew and Lord Mandelson also previously worked together, when the Duke was a special representative for trade and investment. Above:  The pair in 2007

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384407/Pictured-Lord-Mandelson-Jeffrey-Epsteins-birthday-party-Paris.html

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6 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

Pictured: Grinning Labour ex-Cabinet minister Lord Mandelson helping paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein blow out birthday cake candles at Paris party 'a YEAR after financier was charged with sex offences'

  • Photograph shows Lord Mandelson with Jeffrey Epstein at his Paris apartment
  • Taken after Epstein had been charged with soliciting a woman for prostitution
  • Epstein eventually pleaded guilty to procuring a child for prostitution in 2008 

By Harry Howard and Katie Feehan For Mailonline

Published: 00:00 GMT, 10 January 2022 | Updated: 00:51 GMT, 10 January 2022

This is the moment former Labour Cabinet minister Peter Mandelson was pictured with Jeffrey Epstein in his Paris home a year after the billionaire financier had been charged with sex crimes.

The previously unseen photograph, which has been published by The Sun, shows Tony Blair's former spin chief with Epstein as he blows out candles on a birthday cake. 

The photo was reportedly taken inside Epstein's apartment in Paris's Avenue Foch months after Epstein had been formally charged with soliciting a woman for prostitution in August 2006. 

Whilst police at that point had uncovered evidence he had abused underage girls, a US grand jury refused to indict Epstein on charges of sexual relations with minors. 

He eventually pleaded guilty to procuring a child for prostitution in 2008 - after he was pictured with Lord Mandelson. 

However, before the image was taken, news articles had alleged that the tycoon had engaged in sex acts with minors. 

There is no suggestion that Lord Mandelson was aware of the allegations about Epstein at the time the image was taken. 

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Pictured: This is the moment ex Labour Cabinet minister Peter Mandelson was pictured with Jeffrey Epstein in his Paris home a year after the billionaire had been charged with sex crimes
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Prince Andrew and Lord Mandelson also previously worked together, when the Duke was a special representative for trade and investment. Above:  The pair in 2007

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384407/Pictured-Lord-Mandelson-Jeffrey-Epsteins-birthday-party-Paris.html

 

This doesn't prove there is a "gay mafia", though. Jeffrey Epstein was accused of trafficking dozens of women for sex.

 

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23 hours ago, Macnamara said:

Pictured: Grinning Labour ex-Cabinet minister Lord Mandelson helping paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein blow out birthday cake candles at Paris party 'a YEAR after financier was charged with sex offences'

  • Photograph shows Lord Mandelson with Jeffrey Epstein at his Paris apartment
  • Taken after Epstein had been charged with soliciting a woman for prostitution
  • Epstein eventually pleaded guilty to procuring a child for prostitution in 2008 

By Harry Howard and Katie Feehan For Mailonline

Published: 00:00 GMT, 10 January 2022 | Updated: 00:51 GMT, 10 January 2022

This is the moment former Labour Cabinet minister Peter Mandelson was pictured with Jeffrey Epstein in his Paris home a year after the billionaire financier had been charged with sex crimes.

The previously unseen photograph, which has been published by The Sun, shows Tony Blair's former spin chief with Epstein as he blows out candles on a birthday cake. 

The photo was reportedly taken inside Epstein's apartment in Paris's Avenue Foch months after Epstein had been formally charged with soliciting a woman for prostitution in August 2006. 

Whilst police at that point had uncovered evidence he had abused underage girls, a US grand jury refused to indict Epstein on charges of sexual relations with minors. 

He eventually pleaded guilty to procuring a child for prostitution in 2008 - after he was pictured with Lord Mandelson. 

However, before the image was taken, news articles had alleged that the tycoon had engaged in sex acts with minors. 

There is no suggestion that Lord Mandelson was aware of the allegations about Epstein at the time the image was taken. 

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Pictured: This is the moment ex Labour Cabinet minister Peter Mandelson was pictured with Jeffrey Epstein in his Paris home a year after the billionaire had been charged with sex crimes
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Prince Andrew and Lord Mandelson also previously worked together, when the Duke was a special representative for trade and investment. Above:  The pair in 2007

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384407/Pictured-Lord-Mandelson-Jeffrey-Epsteins-birthday-party-Paris.html

 

here is mandelson as the personal guest of the rothschilds at their holiday villa: SEE THE NETWORKS?

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The networks are obvious but it's nothing to do with sexuality being the problem, but individuals who misuse sexuality, and that can occur in men of any sexual orientation.

 

Michael Howard, who was Conservative Leader of the Opposition between 2003 and 2005, once said of Peter Mandelson, there is “something of the night about him".

 

There should be a separate thread about Mandelson. The fact he was gay is only incidental.

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Yes, but it's crime of illegal sex that's the issue, not sexual orientation.

 

no its a conspiracy amongst certain people to exploit young people the  establishment of which is the purpose of this thread

 

you are just not being honest about the existence of these networks for some reason only known to yourself

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2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

no its a conspiracy amongst certain people to exploit young people the  establishment of which is the purpose of this thread

 

you are just not being honest about the existence of these networks for some reason only known to yourself

 

I'm acknowledging the existence of the networks, so your point about me not being honest about their existence is puzzling, and the reason for that can only be known to you!


What I'm saying, which is what you're trying to deflect from, is that it's the crime of illegal sex that's the issue, not sexual orientation.

 

 

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3 hours ago, RobSS said:

What I'm saying, which is what you're trying to deflect from, is that it's the crime of illegal sex that's the issue, not sexual orientation.

 

are gay people represented in the conspiracy in a disproportionate way?

 

I guess that is what the thread is trying to explore

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9 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

are gay people represented in the conspiracy in a disproportionate way?

 

 

I think that's a distraction from what actually should be the issue. The issue should be the sexual crimes that are being committed and the the seeking of justice for those crimes so that the perpetrators cannot carry on committing such crimes. That's the issue.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, RobSS said:

I think that's a distraction from what actually should be the issue. The issue should be the sexual crimes that are being committed and the the seeking of justice for those crimes so that the perpetrators cannot carry on committing such crimes. That's the issue.

 

the OP was exploring a certain issue and there does seem to be some information accumulating around that issue

 

does a 'velvet mafia' exist in britain and is it connected, historically to marxism, occultism and pedophilia?

 

well that's the point of talking about these things isn't it to see what information there is and then let the information speak for itself

 

some interesting areas to look into rob for more clarity on this are the kincora boys school scandal, the haute de la garenne school on jersey and also the cambridge 5 spy ring who were marxists in the velvet mafia

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