RobSS Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, pi3141 said: Well Christians mostly believe that Hell is a literal place with an all powerful ruler called Satan, able to challenge God and trap his creations and subject them to eternal torment. But yes, I think in Judaism its more a state of mind. I've never been a follower of 'churchianity'. The problem is a lot of people don't look at the scriptures for themselves, and because of that are easily misled by the doctrines of men. There is no eternal judgement and literal place called hell. Hell is a state of mind that created by negative desires, and I do believe other dimensional reptilian beings can lure people into a hellish state of mind. You only have to read David Icke's research to see how that happens. 1 minute ago, pi3141 said: Regarding Fallen, I do not have the same interpretation to you of Genesis creation account. First of all I believe it is taken from earlier Pagan sources, We disagree about that. it's true there exist earlier creation accounts than Genesis that are Pagan, but that can easily be explained by diabolical mimicry. Other dimensional reptilian beings already knew the creation account before certain humans were given it, at the right time, by God. The fallen angels did that to discredit God and confuse humanity. 1 minute ago, pi3141 said: secondly I think it corresponds to our animal state before we evolved to fully human consciousness. I do not go in for all this, we were innocent and now we are guilty guilt trip that the Church lays down. Its a description of ourselves as animals or in the animal state, leading a simple life, foraging and sleeping wherever, naked etc and then our evolving into humans with human consciousness and awareness, and it alludes to the greatness we can achieve, God like intelligence and immortality. But Genesis is not something we need pay to much attention to, nor is Revelations. imo Its window dressing, it can be interpreted in many ways, symbolically using sacred geometry for instance and yes it encodes higher knowledge, so knock yourself out looking for that, I focus on the New Testament and the teachings of the one we call Jesus Christ. I'm buying up second hand copies of Anchor Bible series version and reading them, although I haven't been doing much of that lately and the next book in the series I am going to buy is Revelations merely so I can comment on it on threads like these! We disagree here as well. I agree that the physical aspect of our being may originate from the animal kingdom and evolutionary biology, but our spiritual selves originates from a higher source of consciousness. When we left that original state, and became exposed to the world, wonder and innocence retreated because of our inherited, over developed intellectual brains. The fall was the forgetting of spiritual reality... "The taking and eating of the 'fruit' by the man was his awakening urge to draw to himself the attention of woman, not by means of the intrinsic beauty of his soul or spirit, but by drawing attention to himself by beginning to make himself desirable through accumulating treasures and appropriating various things of materialistic value. In this way began the over-development of the intellect, and its accompanying manifestations of greed, falsehood and oppression. Knowledge and experience of the paradise of the soul/spirit became obscured and lost, relegated to myths and fairy tales. Intellectuals began mocking idealists as dreamers or even impostors. In the meanwhile, tyranny, oppression and ugly human behaviour spread throughout the world like weeds, even like a cancer, choking the simplicity and beauty and truth of the beautiful soul and spirit." (O. Bernhardt) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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