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5 minutes ago, RobSS said:

priests is ironically because they were forced into celibacy

 

some people might have been 'forced' to become priests but many of them CHOSE to become priests. The celebacy part was just meant to be part of the deal

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4 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

That's your problem: you are able to think logically whereas 'liberals' care about feels over facts. They believe that there is no objective truth, only what they subjectively WANT to believe is true and the cabal is thrilled to be able to enable them at every turn because they know that the only way to fix a society is to engage with ACTUAL reality not subjective reality so as long as they can keep large portions of the population engaging in what they WANT to believe reality is they can keep steering society into the rocks

 

I'm against all subversion. You talk about subversion, but it's subversion that's the problem and not a person#t sexual orientation. It's just as wrong to force and coerce a heterosexual man to be homosexual, as it is to coerce a homosexual man to become heterosexual.

 

There have been many examples in history where the elders of a society tried to force everyone to be heterosexual or at least only to honour the family paradigm. That's what Roman Catholicism did throughout Europe in the Middle Ages, but did that achieve any kind of utopia? No it didn't. One by-product was a class of clergy who went in on themselves and started abusing children, male and female in secret on huge scale.

 

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2 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

The information I have posted today on this thread, with links from studies says otherwise.

 

 

Then why is it that most homosexuals have no interest whatsoever in abusing children? Why is it that heterosexuals can also abuse children?

 

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16 minutes ago, RobSS said:

I haven't heard of Mantak Chia, but there's a vast amount of information available on the Internet now. I did a lot of research 7 years ago, but forgotten most of it now. It's really a very simple thing, but that's not to say the subject isn't fascinating.

 

Thank you.

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2 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

some people might have been 'forced' to become priests but many of them CHOSE to become priests

 

A lot may have chosen under peer pressure or pressure from their religious parents, and at the time they made the choice, it's very possible they didn't fully understand the psychological pressure they would face after several years of forced celibacy. Sometimes, people only learn by experience and they don't understand the consequences of their choices.

 

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Just now, RobSS said:

I'm against all subversion. You talk about subversion, but it's subversion that's the problem and not a person#t sexual orientation. It's just as wrong to force and coerce a heterosexual man to be homosexual, as it is to coerce a homosexual man to become heterosexual.

 

I'm not making any judgement about anyones personal choice. I'm talking from a level ABOVE that

 

I'm talking from the birds eye view of the engineers of perception who are socially engineering society

 

I'm talking about what THEY are upto and why

 

Just now, RobSS said:

There have been many examples in history where the elders of a society tried to force everyone to be heterosexual or at least only to honour the family paradigm. That's what Roman Catholicism did throughout Europe in the Middle Ages, but did that achieve any kind of utopia? No it didn't.

 

your experiment is tainted though because you don't have pure roman catholicism in your test tube of medieval europe. It is adulterated with occult kabbalah so without seperating the two how can you say what is causing what?

 

I'm not saying that in defence of catholicism, i'm saying it from a purely detached point of view.

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Bearing in mind afaik there are few female paedophiles either straight or gay.

 

11. Characteristics of victims of child sexual abuse (2019)

 

"Girls were around twice as likely as boys to be subject to a child protection plan for sexual abuse in England or on the child protection register for sexual abuse in Wales (2 in 10,000 girls compared with 1 in 10,000 boys)"

 

So about one third of child sexual abuse is committed against boys. Admittedly there will be some women abusers,

but most of these will be men, homosexual men, imo.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/childsexualabuseinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2019

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1 minute ago, RobSS said:

A lot may have chosen under peer pressure or pressure from their religious parents, and at the time they made the choice, it's very possible they didn't fully understand the psychological pressure they would face after several years of forced celibacy. Sometimes, people only learn by experience and they don't understand the consequences of their choices.

 

I'll accept that point

 

However what if it was always known that the church was a haven for gay people and pedophiles throughout history and that as such served to be a magnet for them? And what if that led to the dissolution that was so disdainfully referred to by the protestants who carried out the reformation?

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3 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

Then why is it that most homosexuals have no interest whatsoever in abusing children? Why is it that heterosexuals can also abuse children?

 

 

You are deflecting. Everyone knows heterosexuals are paedophiles too.

 

I am asserting homosexuals have a higher rate of paedophila than heterosexuals for their numbers.

 

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18 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

nevertheless it is STRAIGHT men that we see the sabbatean cabal demonise NOT gay men who the cabal encourage society to celebrate

 

Now in purely LOGICAL terms that makes no sense when viewed from the sense of the continuity of society because it is invariably straight men that perpetuate society

 

From a purely LOGICAL point of view, if you WANTED a society to continue you would put all of your resources into assisting straight men and women to come together, procreate and then be able to raise the offspring in a stable, healthy environment

 

Instead everywhere we look we see the OPPOSITE of that being pushed by the corporate media and governments, all in the name of 'inclusivity' which of course sounds great after all nobody wants anyone to be excluded

 

In the past, they did demonise gay men. They control the Church and the churches taught that homosexuality was evil and that heterosexuality was good, which underlines my main point that sex itself isn't evil but what is evil is when sexuality is used to manipulate people either this way that way, or whatever way.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

Bearing in mind afaik there are few female paedophiles either straight or gay.

 

11. Characteristics of victims of child sexual abuse (2019)

 

"Girls were around twice as likely as boys to be subject to a child protection plan for sexual abuse in England or on the child protection register for sexual abuse in Wales (2 in 10,000 girls compared with 1 in 10,000 boys)"

 

So about one third of child sexual abuse is committed against boys. Admittedly there will be some women abusers,

but most of these will be men, homosexual men, imo.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/childsexualabuseinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2019

 

That could be because men, gay or straight, are more likely to be sexually promiscuous than women? 

 

When stories do appear where a mother has sexually abused a baby, it's the worst and most horrific thing.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

You are deflecting. Everyone knows heterosexuals are paedophiles too.

 

I am asserting homosexuals have a higher rate of paedophila than heterosexuals for their numbers.

 

 

And I'm asserting the reason for that is context and the prevailing social conditions. Sex in and of itself is not evil. As soon as you go down that route, you're taking part in the same game of occult manipulation that comes from the cabal.

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Just now, RobSS said:

In the past, they did demonise gay men.

 

Where? in ancient greece? In arabia? in afghanistan?

 

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They control the Church

 

i think a gay cult controls the catholic church whose actions are then blamed on 'christians'

Vatican Whistleblower Says ‘Gay Mafia’ Is Blocking Needed Reforms

Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D.
11 Jun 20192,707
2:47

The former Vatican ambassador to the United States told the Washington Post a gay mafia among Church leadership is blocking attempts to seriously address clerical sexual abuse.

In an extensive interview, snippets of which were published Monday, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò said that the sexual abuse crisis would be “far less severe” if the “problem of homosexuality in the priesthood were honestly acknowledged and properly addressed.”

“Given the overwhelming evidence, it is mind-boggling that the word ‘homosexuality’ has not appeared once, in any of the recent official documents of the Holy See” dealing with clerical sexual abuse, Viganò told the Post.

Instead, a “gay mafia” among the bishops, seeking to protect themselves, was “sabotaging all efforts at reform,” he said.

Late last August, Archbishop Viganò released a shocking 11-page report declaring that in 2013 he had personally informed Pope Francis of the serial homosexual abuse of then-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, but that the pope had ignored the information, elevating McCarrick to a position of influence in the Vatican.

In that report, Viganò linked the clerical sex abuse crisis as well as coverups by bishops to an extensive “homosexual network” in the Church.

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/06/11/vatican-whistleblower-says-gay-mafia-is-blocking-needed-reforms/

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6 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

Vatican Whistleblower Says ‘Gay Mafia’ Is Blocking Needed Reforms

Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D.
11 Jun 20192,707
2:47

The former Vatican ambassador to the United States told the Washington Post a gay mafia among Church leadership is blocking attempts to seriously address clerical sexual abuse.

In an extensive interview, snippets of which were published Monday, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò said that the sexual abuse crisis would be “far less severe” if the “problem of homosexuality in the priesthood were honestly acknowledged and properly addressed.”

“Given the overwhelming evidence, it is mind-boggling that the word ‘homosexuality’ has not appeared once, in any of the recent official documents of the Holy See” dealing with clerical sexual abuse, Viganò told the Post.

Instead, a “gay mafia” among the bishops, seeking to protect themselves, was “sabotaging all efforts at reform,” he said.

Late last August, Archbishop Viganò released a shocking 11-page report declaring that in 2013 he had personally informed Pope Francis of the serial homosexual abuse of then-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, but that the pope had ignored the information, elevating McCarrick to a position of influence in the Vatican.

In that report, Viganò linked the clerical sex abuse crisis as well as coverups by bishops to an extensive “homosexual network” in the Church.

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019/06/11/vatican-whistleblower-says-gay-mafia-is-blocking-needed-reforms/

 

Sometimes it may be a gay mafia controlling the church, but at other times in history, it may be heterosexuals, but it's a smokescreen and a diversion from what's really going on. The cabal wants people to focus on peoples' sexual orientation because it's a good way to distract people from what's really going on. It's quite possible that at the very top of the Vatican pyramid of power, or most likely near the top, those with most power and control could be heterosexual... a group of heterosexuals controlling and manipulating a group of patsy gay men they can hide behind whilst gullible people point the finger at this 'gay mafia', and the real mafia controlling them gets complete anonymity.

 

 

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In relation to the UK Care Home scandals and in particular in North Wales, very few girls were subject to sexual abuse. It's difficult to find the numbers. I'll look again later, but afaik the vast majority of victims were boys abused by men.

 

The inquiries were a whitewash because of Masonic influence and possibly high ranking homosexuals

involved in the abuse.

 

In November 2012, Anne Clwyd MP called for the legal archive copy of the report to be published, claiming that she was shown a copy in 1994: "I would say please get the Jillings report published because it shows... rape, bestiality, violent assaults and torture, and the effects on those young boys at that time cannot be under-estimated." BBC Wales subsequently spoke to Jillings about Ms Clwyd's claim of bestiality, but Jillings said his report did not unearth any such claims"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Wales_child_abuse_scandal

 

Stones were left unturned. Justice denied again

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

Where? in ancient greece? In arabia? in afghanistan?

 

 

They dimensioned gay men all across Europe, whilst at the same time they  promoted heterosexuality and family values, but it didn't create a utopia. It just made things worse because of the methods they used, like forced celibacy, public shaming, etc...

 

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The cabal wants people to focus on peoples' sexual orientation because it's a good way to distract people from what's really going on.

 

no the cabal wants white men and women to have gay sex or to have sex with themselves whilst watching porn or to have sex with robots and soon to have virtual sex in the metaverse

 

what they don't want is white people to form heterosexual partnerships so that they can procreate, have children and then raise them in a family where the parents can impart their own beliefs and values onto their children whilst also deciding what medical interventions the children have or don't have (eg vaccines)

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2 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

In relation to the UK Care Home scandals and in particular in North Wales, very few

girls were subject to sexual abuse. It's difficult to find the numbers. I'll look again later,

but afaik in the main boys were abused by men.

 

The inquiries were a whitewash because of Masonic influence and possibly high ranking homosexuals

involved in the abuse.

 

In November 2012, Anne Clwyd MP called for the legal archive copy of the report to be published, claiming that she was shown a copy in 1994: "I would say please get the Jillings report published because it shows... rape, bestiality, violent assaults and torture, and the effects on those young boys at that time cannot be under-estimated." BBC Wales subsequently spoke to Jillings about Ms Clwyd's claim of bestiality, but Jillings said his report did not unearth any such claims"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Wales_child_abuse_scandal

 

It could be because girls are more reluctant to come forwards, but in cases of Satanic sexual abuse, it's usually women that report the abuse by men rather than men reporting the abuse.

 

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4 minutes ago, RobSS said:

They dimensioned gay men all across Europe, whilst at the same time they  promoted heterosexuality and family values, but it didn't create a utopia.

 

'they'....the freemasonic elites that control governments?

 

you will never create a utopia whilst sabbateans are hellbent on subverting everything you do

 

the more i look into the big events like communism, nazism, the world wars, the banking crises the more i find the fingerprints of the same old sabbateans eg the rothschilds and rockefellers so there is no way you can say that european culture failed whilst ignoring the role of certain bad actors in those failures....that's just dishonest

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1 minute ago, RobSS said:

It could be because girls are more reluctant to come forwards

 

That's just not true. It's well known boys are less likely to report sexual abuse, even a Government

report into UK child sexual abuse admitted this.

 

The abuse in UK Care homes was in the main committed against young boys, not girls.

 

So was alleged abuse by senior politicians

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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

no the cabal wants white men and women to have gay sex or to have sex with themselves whilst watching porn or to have sex with robots and soon to have virtual sex in the metaverse

 

what they don't want is white people to form heterosexual partnerships so that they can procreate, have children and then raise them in a family where the parents can impart their own beliefs and values onto their children whilst also deciding what medical interventions the children have or don't have (eg vaccines)

 

What the cabal wants is people to subvert their sexual energy because people are then easier to control, which is why they go from so many extremes. At one time, they may want as many people to have gay sex as possible, but at other times in human development, they go to the other extreme and they try to starve people of having sex, and the force celibacy and demonise gay people. They never want a happy medium, a good balance because humans are at their most powerful when there is no one telling them what to do sexually. That's why in the past, the powers that be only wanted men and women in heterosexual relationships because it created an underclass that they could manipulate and control through fear. Now, they've turned the tables and the opposite is becoming the case, and in the future, the pendulum may swing back the other way, but I don't think so because they''re heading for self-destruction at Armageddon. It's actually reptilian forces that are orchestrating all of this, and they're facing the end game that's actually under the control of God, but people don't see the full picture because they're only focusing on labels and superficial reality.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

'they'....the freemasonic elites that control governments?

 

you will never create a utopia whilst sabbateans are hellbent on subverting everything you do

 

the more i look into the big events like communism, nazism, the world wars, the banking crises the more i find the fingerprints of the same old sabbateans eg the rothschilds and rockefellers so there is no way you can say that european culture failed whilst ignoring the role of certain bad actors in those failures....that's just dishonest

 

So that is the issue, and not sexuality in and of itself.

 

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4 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

That's just not true. It's well known boys are less likely to report sexual abuse, even a Government

report into UK child sexual abuse admitted this.

 

The abuse in UK Care homes was in the main committed against young boys, not girls.

 

So was alleged abuse by senior politicians

 

So why is it that of all those that come forwards to report Satanic ritual abuse, which is at the heart of it all, it's usually women that come forwards as having been abused?

 

 

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1 minute ago, RobSS said:

 

So why is it that of all those that come forwards to report Satanic ritual abuse, which is at the heart of it all, it's usually women that come forwards as having been abused?

 

 

Do you really want to argue about who's more abused as a gender?

Any abuse is satanic in nature.

Bearing in mind the androgynous nature of the beast and it's helpers, they're going to feast on anyone.

 

 

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