The homosexual elite and the velvet mafia

[Macnamara]

23 minutes ago, m754 said:

The problem with following the stories of homosexuality (or pedophilia) either through carefully released narratives on mainstream media or through stories broadcast repeatedly on truth platforms is as follows---one would think that the problem is exclusive to the elite in some way.

 

Looking at this through the conspiratorial lens there are two points that instantly spring to mind

 

First of all psychopaths are drawn to power like moths to a flame. This means that they congregate in any positions in society that offer them influence over other people; which in turn means that you will find higher numbers and higher degrees of psychopathy in areas like corporate businesses, politics, law, media, medicine and so on because these can offer psychopaths avenues for devilment

 

So when we talk about 'the elites' we really are talking about concentrations of psychopathy but that doesn't mean that it is exclusive to the elites which brings me to my next point which goes to the old argument of nature v's nurture

 

I personally believe that both nature and nurture are at play and that people can be affected by their culture. So once again looking at this from the point of view of a conspiracy where there are psychopaths who are organised and working together to enslave the rest of humanity we can perceive their efforts to degrade culture and societal mores as they know that they can poison the soul of society and encourage immoral behaviours

 

Like i have said elsewhere psychopaths are hereditary but sociopaths are made which means that if a psychopathic culture is advanced it will encourage increasing levels of sociopathy within wider society

[RobSS]

33 minutes ago, m754 said:

 

If we go the historical route to understand homosexuality---and purely from a social evolution perspective—

men went out to hunt (because women were bearing children etc.) ... .And they went to hunt in groups, later formed farming communities, stayed close to support each other and offer protection and defence against predators, first non-verbal support and later with language development sharing of knowledge.

 

This form of brotherhood was carried forward to forming clubs, groups, religious and academic institutions, religious groups etc.

 

Now when the brotherhood was taken underground to make knowledge ‘elitist’, secretive collusion necessitated that the number of men who could be invited in should be limited.

An elite group can only be formed if information and knowledge is controlled in the hands of a few people.

 

 

Are you saying that the origin of secret societies lies in homosexuality?

 

I'm not sure I followed your line of reasoning. 

 

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, m754 said:

Now when the brotherhood was taken underground to make knowledge ‘elitist’, secretive collusion necessitated that the number of men who could be invited in should be limited.

An elite group can only be formed if information and knowledge is controlled in the hands of a few people.

 

How do they prevent the rest of the men from forming communities and bonding and continuing the sharing of knowledge and resources?

 

The unit structure of family was promoted where one man is responsible in isolation for woman and children.

Each man is thus burdened with the newly thrust and newly defined role of exclusive breadwinner for one woman and the progeny. The man’s identity was tied to that unit.

 

And association with other men was slowly re-defined to be having sexual undertones, which was already pre-established as taboo under fake religious doctrine and social rules and later laws in many countries.

 

Association in brotherhoods was thus slowly restricted to exclusive groups, which as always were about power and money and control but at the gatekeeper level were falsely publicised only as dens of vice etc.

 

Since talks of anything sexual elicits very strong responses in humans, all attention is focused on any sex that the elite might be having and with whom.

Furthermore, nowadays the gay community is deliberately portrayed in media as fancy dress caricatures with certain mannerisms….whereas the homosexual men of yore were just normal men.. A normal man can be homosexual as well.

 

The si*sy portrayal created a further aversion in the general public/ men who are now not only trying to suppress their atavistic tendencies but also have been conditioned and programmed that men walk a certain way and dress a certain way and like only women etc….all hammered in again and again throughout college life, work life, media etc. The si*sy persona contrasts more with the macho image programmed in society.

 

That suppression when it bursts forth takes the form of the kinky perversions we read about.

 

A wrong release for an emotion not understood properly. It is the resurgence of an atavistic urge bursting forth in a wrong way due to constant suppression.

It is in fact the seeking of the male companionship and bonding and group therapy that was taken away from men and they were left to be single unit caretakers of woman and child.

 

The men are not as strong as they have been conditioned to believe. They need help and support of other men as a brotherhood, but to express this desire they are now forced to choose between either being thought of as homosexuals whose interest is only sex, or to join masonic brotherhoods which at the lower levels are deliberately kept limited to baser practices, which: 1) acts as a filtering mechanism, 2) a scarecrow; and 3) a social engineering tool to make only those idiots successful who succumb to temptation at that first stage for a few pennies—and who are put on stage to depict as evil and satanic—and are disposable—while the real top guys watch from the shadows.

 

The PTB use the understanding of sexual instinct to alternatively provoke it for surge of instincts depending upon one’s predispositions and simultaneously create shame around it through re-wiring social mores to ‘modern’ standards.

 

Thus there is public shaming of errants and immense emotional involvement as society tries to conform to these man made standards that are against natural instincts.

 

but even men in hunter gather societies have wives and families even though they may hunt together and have male rites of passage involving the imparting of knowledge to the next generation of men

[Guest m754]

8 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

Are you saying that the origin of secret societies lies in homosexuality?

 

I'm not sure I followed your line of reasoning. 

 

 

The point I was trying to make was--

Sexual tendencies of whatever nature, are programmed in all humans and not restricted to elite. Quite frighteningly, traces of all such tendencies exist in all of us as residual memories/ pre-programming, manifested variously and to different degrees depending of individual predisposition.

 

 

The focus in ancient communities was not on sex exclusively as we have these days. Sex was not the main driver because the daily interactions for hunting, farming, travel, fighting etc processed and prevented the innate tendencies from springing up only in a sexual form.

 

We are currently programmed into believing that all close bonds between two people of any gender derive first and foremost from sex and nothing else.

 

But if you do an experiment of actually having a fulfilling relationship with another person of either gender to whom you are drawn or attracted, you will find that emotional bonding can occur in non sexual ways as well.

 

In ancient cultures sexual practices were done more consciously, more naturally and often ritualistically, and the pleasure aspect was not the primary motive. The community or human bonding aspect that gave them strength was more important.

 

There is a fulfilment to be found in work, play etc. especially when those people were living in tandem with nature, and had more exposure to natural elements than we have now, but that opportunity to bond is now only restricted to occasional short interactions in sports etc---not a natural bonding that happens over the course of your daily life. That may occasionally have taken the form of sex, but that was not the primary reason. The bonding and community support was the main focus.

 

 

That could be said to be how groups of men got together for various reasons—farming, hunting, later on academia, then commerce, etc and even later that also led to development of secret societies. 

 

Therefore, when the secret brotherhoods took shape, the community support and opportunistic sharing and control of information and knowledge aspect was down played.

 

Whereas previously all knowledge was publicly shared and passed on, serving to benefit entire communities and not a self-appointed group of elites.

 

 

So homosexuality was not the roots of brotherhoods, community support and sharing of knowledge was.

 

 

Homosexuality was promoted/ vilified as a substitute for the community bonding that needed to be discouraged except in sexual way, propagating that indeed these interactions must have a sexual component, forming a false association that all man to man affinity necessarily has a sexual component.  The promotion of homosexuality went hand in hand with the vilification—therefore the shame and ostracization impacted the health of individuals and society further.

 

Homosexuality thus served to deflect attention from what the brotherhoods were actually up to by shifting society’s focus on sex and that all same sex interactions are necessarily sexual nature,

 

There are some who are naturally homosexual, that is not the point here..

I am talking of those who are feeling a gap in their lives, something that would have been satisfied earlier with human bonding, but just like a teenager from an abusive unloving family environment, falls prey to the first person who shows some empathy and wrongly associates that sex equates with bonding and love, likewise those men erroneously focus on the sex aspect in seeking male company. The line between need to bond and the crossover to seeking sex as a fulfilment of that need is very thin. Had they had access to community bonding and social support, many would not have acted on those instincts or at least not let those instincts define who they are.

 

 

This served to prevent any non sexual bonding or cooperation among men as well because any interaction carried the risk of being labelled as homosexual and thus taboo or even illegal. This pre-empted the possibility of any unity of action arising.

 

 

 

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cleaned up the "bickering" posts,please no personal debate in the thread/s

[RobSS]

On 11/15/2021 at 1:25 AM, m754 said:

 

The point I was trying to make was--

 

[...] homosexuality was not the roots of brotherhoods, community support and sharing of knowledge was.

 

 

Thanks for clarifying that homosexuality was not the root of secret societies - no gay mafia there then - but to say that community support, and sharing of knowledge, was the root is a rather superficial explanation in comparison to David Icke's research.

 

[Guest m754]

7 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

Thanks for clarifying that homosexuality was not the root of secret societies - no gay mafia there then - but to say that community support, and sharing of knowledge, was the root is a rather superficial explanation in comparison to David Icke's research.

 

 

Well....I did not compel you in any way to believe in my opinion.

 

In fact I would have been rather surprised if you had agreed wholeheartedly with what I had written...

 

So please carry on with what you believe in.

 

My posts here are not meant to convert other members to my way of thinking.

 

And I most certainly have not spent as much time as David Icke on researching this topic..

 

Please feel free to ignore my posts.

 

Adios.

[Truthspoon]

 

 

https://www.truthspoon.com/2021/12/the-zohar-and-introduction-of-forbidden.html

 

 

The ROAD TO ELEUSIS

                                                             The journey into mystery.

The Kabbalah then is the attempt to justify the backsliding of Israel through semantic tricks and word-play in order to justify many of the things which were specifically forbidden by the Torah, above all of them being initiation into the occult mysteries which the Kabbalah specifically exalts.

 

There are many chapters of the Zohar which relate the supposed secret initiations of the Hebrew patriarchs, again as we have seen, using the selective use of passages from the Torah to give false justification for the exegesis. 

“It is stated, 'He went on his journeys from the south even into Bethel, the place where he had pitched his tent at the beginning'; he progressed and advanced in the divine life so that by the mental and spiritual illumination which he ultimately attained, he became fully initiated into the comprehension and understanding of the mysteries of the Hidden Wisdom and graduated to that degree termed 'teleiaor,' perfection, when it is written, 'And there Abraham called on the name of the Lord' (Gen. XIII. 4) and became a just man made perfect. Blessed are they who attain unto this degree of righteousness, for they become invested with an aureole of light and are jewels in the crown of the Holy One. Blessed are they in this world and in. the world to come. Of these it is written, 'The path of the just is as the shining light that shineth more and more unto the perfect day' (Prov. IV. 18)."

"On observing this general depravation of manners and modes of living, it is written, 'And Abraham went down into Egypt to sojourn there.' Here the question may arise, what was the reason and object of his going down into Egypt? It was because at that time Egypt was a great center of learning, of Theosophy and the science of the Divine Mysteries, and therefore referred to in scripture as 'the garden of the Lord like the land of Egypt.' In it, as in the garden of Eden, of which it is stated, 'From the right of it went forth a river called Pison that encompassed the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold,’ flowed a great mystical river of divine knowledge, very precious and unobtainable elsewhere. Abraham having entered into the garden of Eden and become an adept in the secret doctrine, desirous of passing through all its grades on two the higher mysteries in order to become 'teloios' or perfect, went down into Egypt where there was gold, or the Hidden Wisdom." 

So, the implication is clear that the prohibition of initiatory or transformative rites of the pagans which are continually rebuked in the Torah are now reversed and such rites are specifically encouraged, indeed, such is the whole purpose of the Kabbalah. 

The very fact of initiation is something forbidden in the earliest Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible the Septuagint. The name Septuagint comes from the story that Ptolemy II the Greek Pharoah of Egypt of the 3rd century BC who asked for a translation of the Torah from Hebrew to Greek to be included in the Library of Alexandria by 72 Jewish Elders.

“There shall not be a harlot of the daughters of Israel, and there shall not be a fornicator of the sons of Israel; there shall not be an idolatress of the daughters of Israel, and there shall not be an initiated person of the sons of Israel.” Deuteronomy 23:17 

‘Initiated’ person is usually translated as ‘ritual homosexual prostitution’ and this line was added by the 70 Jewish scholars to further clarify the following verse. 

“Thou shalt not bring the hire of a harlot, or the wages of a dog, into the house of Jehovah thy God for any vow: for even both these are an abomination unto Jehovah thy God.” 

The wages of a dog is also translated as “male prostitute's payment” and this is because this was associated with the mysteries of Anubis, hence the Septuagint’s reference to ‘initiation’.

With this in mind may we assume that the biggest secret of secret society initiation is the homosexual sex act? It is this force which now rules the world today through the proxy of Freemasonry which it infiltrated via Rosicrucianism and the general Alchemical sciences transmitted by those Kabbalistic Jews to the idealistic and perhaps well-meaning Christians to infect the West.

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by Truthspoon

[RobSS]

7 hours ago, m754 said:

 

Well....I did not compel you in any way to believe in my opinion.

 

In fact I would have been rather surprised if you had agreed wholeheartedly with what I had written...

 

So please carry on with what you believe in.

 

My posts here are not meant to convert other members to my way of thinking.

 

And I most certainly have not spent as much time as David Icke on researching this topic..

 

Please feel free to ignore my posts.

 

Adios.

 

I didn't say, or even think that you were trying to compel anyone to believe your opinion. I was simply replying that there's a lot more behind what went on regarding the creation of secret societies than just human fellowship, and I don't think it was just about homosexual affinities, as there are innumerable heterosexual men who are attracted to these bodies. You're fine to disagree too, or ignore what I've written.

 

Ciao.

 

 

[RobSS]

22 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

With this is mind are we to assume that the biggest secret of secret society initiation is the homosexual sex act?

 

 

Says you, in huge, bold letters, who often accuses me of having an ego. You even criticised me once, for a post that was too long, but I think you just said that because you couldn't find any reasonabale argument to counter what I'd written, but I don't use tactics like that, and is the text going to that big and bold in your upcoming book? Obviously a book for children, then.

 

I was interested in looking for facts, in your extract, to back up any claim that the biggest secret, of secret society initiation, is the homosexual act. I know that you're very hot on facts, and that you pride yourself for basing your reality on facts (still trying to work out what those facts are, btw) because, according to you, anything that isn't factual is dreaming, and belongs to the day dreamer, but in your long extract, I couldn't find any facts to back up any such claim. All I could find was supposition, innuendo, and wishful thinking. I don't think you're book is going to be of much use if that's all you've got. Might be good exercise in day dreaming though.

 

 

[Truthspoon]

5 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

Says you, in huge, bold letters 

 

 

 

Go away you silly little drama queen.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by Truthspoon

[RobSS]

Just now, Truthspoon said:

 

Go away you silly little drama queen.

 

 

You can talk! 

 

So you got no facts?

 

No, you don't.

 

Right, got that, thanks.

 

 

 

[Truthspoon]

17 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

You can talk! 

 

So you got no facts?

 

No, you don't.

 

Right, got that, thanks.

 

 

 

 

I just posted a page full you doofus.

 

So you're a gay first and Christian second huh?

 

Goddit. 

 

Lukewarm.

[Truthspoon]

 

EUSTACE MULLINS - HOMOSEXUALITY IN SECRET SOCIETIES

[RobSS]

3 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

I just posted a page full you doofus.

 

So you're a gay first and Christian second huh?

 

Goddit. 

 

Lukewarm.

 

A second request for facts. Your extract posed a question, which was answered with supposition, innuendo, and possibly wishful thinking and fantasy. Unless you have facts, which you've staked your reputation on, carry on day dreaming.

 

[RobSS]

1 hour ago, Truthspoon said:

 

EUSTACE MULLINS - HOMOSEXUALITY IN SECRET SOCIETIES

 

You've given no reason to click on the link, other than posting the title. I don't think anyone would deny that there may be homosexuals in secret societies, and that some more radical lodges may engage in sex acts and possibly even orgies, as Stanley Kubrick suggested in his film, "Eyes Wide Shut", but it's not just homosexuals that probably engage in such acts, heterosexuals are likely to do it too, but since you've only focusing on homosexuals. In this thread, you've referred to gay people as "faggots", so it's clear you've an agenda, just as you've an agenda against people with a different colour skin to you. Also in this thread, you stated the UK could become a "brown mess", and in other posts, you've made comments, saying that the UK is, "a brown man's bigamist Kingdom", and that blacks want to murder white people.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2021 by RobSS

[Truthspoon]

Why do you feel the need to defend homosexuality?

 

The Bible is fairly clear about it.

Personally I do not have any great contempt or hatred for homosexuals.... I consider such things none of my business as long as it is fully consensual and between adults and kept private and does not become a force for social destabilisation.....

 

Which alas it has.....

 

I think it's clear that homosexuality is one of the weaponised tools of the ancient mystery religions which has become part of the arsenal of the destruction of western society because that mystery religion is emerging in the vacuum left by Christianity.....

 

So are you a Christian or are you a gay?

 

You can be both of course....to some extent...... but ultimately you do have to choose, that is if you as a Christian want to see the truth of the world for the Old Testament is fairly clear about homosexuality being a tool of the Babylonian and Egyptian mystery religions..... and I fully concur with this view.

 

So your defense of homosexuality is forcing you to deny the Bible...

Cannot serve two masters....etc...

 

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, RobSS said:

 I don't think anyone would deny that there may be homosexuals in secret societies

 

Just to play devils advocate here, crowley did make the highest degree of the OTO into a homosexual sex act

 

2 hours ago, RobSS said:

and that blacks want to murder white people.

 

some do for sure. How do i know this 'for sure'? Well i lookin the newspapers every day and am confronted with a certain reality

[RobSS]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

Just to play devils advocate here, crowley did make the highest degree of the OTO into a homosexual sex act

 

 

some do for sure. How do i know this 'for sure'? Well i lookin the newspapers every day and am confronted with a certain reality

 

Why pick on gays or blacks when some whites also do these things?

 

 

[Macnamara]

8 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Why pick on gays or blacks when some whites also do these things?

 

why did crowley make the highest degree into a homosexual act?

 

It may have something to do with activating a certain chakra. david icke speaks about it in one of his books

 

why are people speaking about anti-white racism? because it is being enabled and encouraged by the cabal

[Truthspoon]

5 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

why did crowley make the highest degree into a homosexual act?

 

It may have something to do with activating a certain chakra. david icke speaks about it in one of his books

 

why are people speaking about anti-white racism? because it is being enabled and encouraged by the cabal

 

This is one of the reason they sexually abuse children....

 

They are demonically inspired to do it because the demons (yes, demons are real) know that child sexual abuse will likely 'unlock' schizophrenia in later life which means the demons can access that person's mind and mentally harass them to draw energy and give themselves existence....

 

It sounds like bullshit.... but it isn't.... The scientific establishment pretend such things don't exist all the better for them to control the Earth undetected.... 

[RobSS]

2 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

Why do you feel the need to defend homosexuality?

 

The Bible is fairly clear about it.

Personally I do not have any great contempt or hatred for homosexuals.... I consider such things none of my business as long as it is fully consensual and between adults and kept private and does not become a force for social destabilisation.....

 

Which alas it has.....

 

I think it's clear that homosexuality is one of the weaponised tools of the ancient mystery religions which has become part of the arsenal of the destruction of western society because that mystery religion is emerging in the vacuum left by Christianity.....

 

So are you a Christian or are you a gay?

 

You can be both of course....to some extent...... but ultimately you do have to choose, that is if you as a Christian want to see the truth of the world for the Old Testament is fairly clear about homosexuality being a tool of the Babylonian and Egyptian mystery religions..... and I fully concur with this view.

 

So your defense of homosexuality is forcing you to deny the Bible...

Cannot serve two masters....etc...

 

 

I've practised sexual sublimation for the past 7 years, so I see no need to adopt a label, but in former times, I had relationships with both sexes, so before I came to deeper understanding of the yearning of the soul, I was bisexual.

 

Regarding the Bible, for every passage that appears to condemn homosexuality, there's a case that these passages have been either misunderstood or incorrectly translated, and the reason I defend gays is the same reason why I would defend Jews who are attacked in the street, for example, by extreme right-wing activists. Bigotry and misestimation feeds the mindset that commit those kinds of acts and it's all based on fear and ignorance. I would also defend a white person if they were attacked by an extreme left wing activist. There's intolerance, bigotry and hatred on both sides and it's fed by fear and ignorance.

 

You say that you're not racist and that you don't hate gays, but then why do say such hateful things about these people. Why refer to gays as "faggots", as you did earlier in this threads? Answer that question if you want to be seen as being a reasonable person.

 

Homosexuality is no more a tool for the Mystery School Religion than heterosexuality. Sexuality in itself is not evil or bad, it's the use to which it's put that determines whether it's bad or not. Same with machines. Machines aren't bad, in and of themselves... they're merely inanimate objects. Whether they're good or bad depends on why and how they're used.

 

[RobSS]

11 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

why did crowley make the highest degree into a homosexual act?

 

It may have something to do with activating a certain chakra. david icke speaks about it in one of his books

 

why are people speaking about anti-white racism? because it is being enabled and encouraged by the cabal

 

Crowley was Crawley. He clearly misused homosexuality to do whatever he wanted to do.

 

[RobSS]

5 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

This is one of the reason they sexually abuse children....

 

They are demonically inspired to do it because the demons (yes, demons are real) know that child sexual abuse will likely 'unlock' schizophrenia in later life which means the demons can access that person's mind and mentally harass them to draw energy and give themselves existence....

 

It sounds like bullshit.... but it isn't.... The scientific establishment pretend such things don't exist all the better for them to control the Earth undetected.... 

 

It's to do with intent. The abuse of children is also carried out by heterosexuals.

 

[Macnamara]

2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

Homosexuality is no more a tool for the Mystery School Religion than heterosexuality. Sexuality in itself is not evil or bad, it's the use to which it's put that determines whether it's bad or not.

 

I guess the reason the cabal might push homosexuality is because they are waging war on creation and pro-creation requires intercourse between a man and a woman and impregnation and birth then occur through the female yoni