The homosexual elite and the velvet mafia

[EnigmaticWorld]

6 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

 

 

Dude, I have no interest in mainstream music, or Hollywood, so I'm not going to watch it.

 

Cash was like a proto-Christian Zionist, managed and promoted by Saul Holiff.

 

Leave the Matrix. The TV goblin is not your friend.

[RobSS]

1 hour ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Dude, I have no interest in mainstream music, or Hollywood, so I'm not going to watch it.

 

Cash was like a proto-Christian Zionist, managed and promoted by Saul Holiff.

 

Leave the Matrix. The TV goblin is not your friend.

 

I've got news for you, you're still in the matrix, we all are, but not having studied Cash's career in detail, like you obviously have, what crimes is Cash supposed to have committed under Holiff's management, or is it just guilt by association, which is a bit tenuous as we all have links to the matrix with bank accounts, etc, in order to survive and be able to eat?

 

 

[RobSS]

7 hours ago, novymir said:

Forgive me,,,, but I just can't help laughing at the title of this thread........

 

How grandiose "they" are! How important and intelligent and powerful they are !! They've really got it going on...

The same can be said about "the devil" and "satanists.

 

Jesus tells me;;" it's much ado about nothing..".

I'd like the narrow gate to be wider...but... it's not my call...

 

What's your point exactly,? Be more specific....

 

 

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

I've got news for you, you're still in the matrix, we all are, but not having studied Cash's career in detail, like you obviously have, what crimes is Cash supposed to have committed under Holiff's management, or is it just guilt by association, which is a bit tenuous as we all have links to the matrix with bank accounts, etc, in order to survive and be able to eat?

 

 

 

No, it goes deeper than that.

 

 

https://www.jpost.com/Arts-and-Culture/Music/The-Man-in-Blacks-Zionist-roots

[EnigmaticWorld]

@RobSS

 

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh. I respect those that can separate celebs from their politics, but I can't any longer unfortunately. The amount of damage that they have done haunts me every day.

Edited October 14, 2021 by EnigmaticWorld

[RobSS]

22 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

@RobSS

 

Maybe I'm being a bit harsh. I respect those that can separate celebs from their politics, but I can't any longer unfortunately. The amount of damage that they have done haunts me every day.

 

Well, the problem with Christians who get drawn into political Zionism is that they don't understand that political Zion has nothing to do with spiritual Zion, which is New Jerusalem and is not something that originates on earth.

 

In any event, I just wanted to put to bed any idea that the ring of fire by default has anything to do with Sodomy. It is not. The devil and followers of the devil often take symbols that appear in God's creation and invert their meaning, so yes, these things can have either a positive or a negative meaning, depending on what you want to project on it.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by RobSS

[oddsnsods]

Nobody claimed your avatar had anything to do with sodomy, the connection was made when I was discussing portals with Enigmatic & trying to keep the subject on topic, as I didnt see anyone looking at why Elite circles are queers or sodomites, but you took it personally Robbss & started putting out different definitions..

Ring of fire, or circle of fire is definitely in Witchcraft , not sure about a blue ring meaning. I would say has something to do with feminine moon worship.

Like I said, its a symbol of a portal or eclipse & sodomy rituals are about portals, like the woman's vagina as you pointed out, which is a bit of an obvious portal.

 

[oddsnsods]

1 hour ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

No, it goes deeper than that.

 

 

https://www.jpost.com/Arts-and-Culture/Music/The-Man-in-Blacks-Zionist-roots

 

Probably right mate, like Bob Dylan another decepticon. Not sure about JC, but I know he was into speed, which will definitely open you up to spirits or lower d's.

 

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in America/CCM/johnny_cash-exposed.htm

[RobSS]

I believe Johnny Cash was a genuine person who meant well. It's better to be wrong for the right reasons than to be right for the wrong... and I still like his song, The Ring of Fire", and the sentiments of the song ("Love is a burning thing, and it makes a fiery ring"). Love can act as an agent of purification. Going through a ring of fire could be an act of purification. Or it could also be a fiery ring of intense scrutiny and focus of purpose, as shown in Madagascar 3:

 

 

The ring of fire symbol can be associated with witchcraft and the dark-side. Symbols can often have several meanings... as already mentioned, the devil and followers of the devil often take symbols that appear in God's Creation and invert their meaning, so yes, these things can have either a positive or a negative meaning, depending on what you want to project on it, but it first appears as a neutral symbol. From there is can be good or bad, a portal into demonic spheres or a portal into the Divine, as in being born again. The Buddha's Fire Sermon also fits with the ring of fire theme for obvious reasons.

 

The ring of fire is a term commonly used in midwifery and childbirth for the very obvious reason that a mother experiences a ring of burning pain as the crown of the baby comes through the vagina:

 

 

See also:

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ring+of+fire+birth

 

I agree the ring of fire is relevant to the topic of this thread because it can be associated with witchcraft and occult agendas that can lead people astray, and it doesn't just happen in the homosexual circles, it also happens in heterosexual circles, but it's always good to have a balanced and broad view of things. Acknowledging and appreciating the Light counteracts the effects of dark nefarious reality.

 

 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by RobSS

[Liam3880]

On 10/7/2021 at 9:05 PM, Janet W said:

 

Oh go on luv, give us a clue at least... Did you chose your sexuality or not? If so how old were you? I've never known anyone able to do that. Maybe it's a bit like choosing to be left-handed in a right-handed world. A sort of a life challenge?

 

I don't remember choosing my sexuality, I just sort of grew up with it, like absolutely everyone I know. But maybe some people can choose it, though why they'd choose a sexuality that made life unnecessarily difficult I can't imagine.

 

 

Their is NO gay gene and no amount of manipulation or word play will change that 

 

Sexuality is more likely to do with a person's upbringing, if you're being honest with yourself you'll be able to work that out. 

 

How you manage to somehow link that to 'choosing your sexuality' is something only you understand, I don't see the link 

 

If anything I'm saying the opposite, it happened when you were so young you had no choice, but it's unlikely you were 'born that way' 

 

The gay lobby is very cunning and shrewd and we'll funded and have clearly had a big influence

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RobSS]

2 hours ago, Liam3880 said:

 

 

Their is NO gay gene and no amount of manipulation or word play will change that 

 

Sexuality is more likely to do with a person's upbringing, if you're being honest with yourself you'll be able to work that out. 

 

How you manage to somehow link that to 'choosing your sexuality' is something only you understand, I don't see the link 

 

If anything I'm saying the opposite, it happened when you were so young you had no choice, but it's unlikely you were 'born that way' 

 

The gay lobby is very cunning and shrewd and we'll funded and have clearly had a big influence

 

 

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether there's a gay gene or not, or if being gay is something that's learned when young. What counts is what a person feels within. The worst thing a person can do is suppress feelings without understanding why they are suppressing them. Suppressing feelings leads to anxiety, depression and anger, which in turn could lead the person in a state of self-suppression abusing others.

 

If a person is naturally not gay and yet they have gay tendencies, they should then learn to get in touch with where their inner thoughts and motives are coming from. That would be a far better way forwards because all of their being and self-awareness would be based on self-understanding, rather than just relying on being told by others what is best for them, which is what the Church and State did for such a long period of time historically in the UK. No wonder the Church and State caused so much human misery and suffering.

 

If being gay is something that is learned, how comes people became gay before there were any organised gay groups in society? How comes people still feel gay in cultures where the government makes being gay illegal with serious punishments, such as in the UK not that many decades ago? How comes people still feel gay even though they may be persecuted and sent to prison and even face death for how they feel sexually? How comes people still feel they are gay even though they had been brought up in a religious environment where their religious friends and family told them they would surely go to hell? How comes people still grow up feeling they are gay despite peer pressure to make them feel like an outcast in countries where it's considered wrong?

 

What is certain is that mind control has been used on a population to make it appear that homosexuality is immoral and sinful using stories such as the Sodom and Gomorrah from the Bible, when that biblical story has noting to do with condemning homosexuality per se. The problem is that people are mind-controlled what to believe and people end up believing false information. It's far better to live one's life trying to understand why one is the way one is, rather than being told by someone else what is right or what is wrong. Understanding is better than indoctrination.

 

 

 

 

[factJack]

 

[RobSS]

19 minutes ago, factJack said:

 

 

Abolishing Hudud and decriminalising homosexuality in Muslim countries is a good thing.

 

Punishments like lashings, stoning, and death are barbaric and evil.

 

What they don't want is what I call "Gay 2.0".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Truthspoon]

 

 

Paedophilia and the gay agenda.

[RobSS]

It took Derrick Jensen 6 minutes to say he's not against gays, but he is against paedophilia. He could have said that in less than 10 seconds! That 6 minutes could have been spent watching something much more substantial.

 

 

Edited October 29, 2021 by RobSS

[ConspiracyTruths.co.uk]

As a gay person I feel qualified to make a few comments here.

 

First of all, don't worry, I am not offended by anyones opinion, and I've read the entire thread. 

 

Second, there most certainly is an agenda at play, but don't confuse yourselves with the idea that they are somehow making people gay. Trust me, this can't be done. You are either gay or you are not, you aren't influenced or manipulated into finding members of the same sex attractive. Perhaps through some advanced mind control techniques, but not with a few magazines and TV articles. What kids are being deliberately confused and influenced by at the moment is gender identity, or a lack of. Allowing people to ignore basic science and adopt alternative genders is a mainstream agenda being pushed on young adults and children, it still doesn't make them gay, it just messes them up. 

 

Third, I don't think many satanist really care about the gender of the children, they care only about the energy, yes it is sexually perverse, but I don't think that is what this is actually about for them, it is used because it is one of their ways of extracting/harnessing that energy, along with sacrifice and other rituals. 

 

Are more people gay today that 50 years ago? Who knows... You may think so, because it is now more accepted by society - perfectly reasonably if you ask me, why should it bother anyone else if two consenting adults want to be together? The agenda you are missing is that it not about gay men, it's about feminine men, and believe me most straight men these days are more feminine than me. This is why you see so many 'camp' personalities on TV, because masculinity is considered toxic these days. Why is oestrogen being pumped into food and water these days, what is that doing to men?

 

The LGBT community (or whatever sequence of letters it calls itself now) does not represent all of us. In fact I am offended to be cast into a group of people who seem to demand a different label for every aspect of their schizophrenic personality. While I think people should be allowed to do whatever they want so long as it does not impede on, cause harm or upset others, being gay is not nearly the same as being transgender, genderless or whatever they are choosing to label themselves as now. To be lumbered into some special group with these people, many of whom clearly have deeply rooted mental illnesses is beyond offensive to me. The whole culture is rooted in perverse sexual deviancy and all to often it is being deliberately targeted at vulnerable kids. 

 

Gay people aren't the problem, paedophilia is.

 

As some have mentioned Jimmy Savile earlier, I thought I'd share my article. Did you know he was one head of Broadmoor and also questioned by police in relation to the Yorkshire ripper murders? Read my article here.

 

 

 

 

[Macnamara]

8 hours ago, ConspiracyTruths.co.uk said:

Are more people gay today that 50 years ago? Who knows... You may think so, because it is now more accepted by society - perfectly reasonably if you ask me, why should it bother anyone else if two consenting adults want to be together? The agenda you are missing is that it not about gay men, it's about feminine men, and believe me most straight men these days are more feminine than me. This is why you see so many 'camp' personalities on TV, because masculinity is considered toxic these days. Why is oestrogen being pumped into food and water these days, what is that doing to men?

 

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10136675/Chemicals-used-make-plastics-soft-McDonalds-Chipotle-Pizza-Hut-food.html

[RobSS]

On 10/11/2021 at 1:23 PM, Golden Retriever said:

 

There are homosexual people withing the cult for sure, but you keep on saying no, no, no

homosexuals are all innocent.

 

 

This is a repeat post as GR failed to reply or come up with any evidence...

 

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If you want to claim that's what I've ever written, prove it, otherwise you're fibbing. You're comment is very disingenuous. I've never said ALL homosexuals are innocent. I would appreciate it if you retract that comment, thanks.

 

 

[Golden Retriever]

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

 

This is a repeat post as GR failed to reply or come up with any evidence...

 

 

 

 

 

Where are any of your comments against high profile homosexuals who are part of the elite and promote homoseuxuality on this thread? One example being Stephen Fry.

 

Where are your comments about the homosexual elite?

 

Edited October 31, 2021 by Golden Retriever

[Brad the lad]

On 10/29/2021 at 4:04 PM, ConspiracyTruths.co.uk said:

As a gay person I feel qualified to make a few comments here.

 

First of all, don't worry, I am not offended by anyones opinion, and I've read the entire thread. 

 

Second, there most certainly is an agenda at play, but don't confuse yourselves with the idea that they are somehow making people gay. Trust me, this can't be done. You are either gay or you are not, you aren't influenced or manipulated into finding members of the same sex attractive. Perhaps through some advanced mind control techniques, but not with a few magazines and TV articles. What kids are being deliberately confused and influenced by at the moment is gender identity, or a lack of. Allowing people to ignore basic science and adopt alternative genders is a mainstream agenda being pushed on young adults and children, it still doesn't make them gay, it just messes them up. 

 

Third, I don't think many satanist really care about the gender of the children, they care only about the energy, yes it is sexually perverse, but I don't think that is what this is actually about for them, it is used because it is one of their ways of extracting/harnessing that energy, along with sacrifice and other rituals. 

 

Are more people gay today that 50 years ago? Who knows... You may think so, because it is now more accepted by society - perfectly reasonably if you ask me, why should it bother anyone else if two consenting adults want to be together? The agenda you are missing is that it not about gay men, it's about feminine men, and believe me most straight men these days are more feminine than me. This is why you see so many 'camp' personalities on TV, because masculinity is considered toxic these days. Why is oestrogen being pumped into food and water these days, what is that doing to men?

 

The LGBT community (or whatever sequence of letters it calls itself now) does not represent all of us. In fact I am offended to be cast into a group of people who seem to demand a different label for every aspect of their schizophrenic personality. While I think people should be allowed to do whatever they want so long as it does not impede on, cause harm or upset others, being gay is not nearly the same as being transgender, genderless or whatever they are choosing to label themselves as now. To be lumbered into some special group with these people, many of whom clearly have deeply rooted mental illnesses is beyond offensive to me. The whole culture is rooted in perverse sexual deviancy and all to often it is being deliberately targeted at vulnerable kids. 

 

Gay people aren't the problem, paedophilia is.

 

As some have mentioned Jimmy Savile earlier, I thought I'd share my article. Did you know he was one head of Broadmoor and also questioned by police in relation to the Yorkshire ripper murders? Read my article here.

 

 

 

 

Great post but I have to disagree on one thing you say. I think that they can make  "majority" of the population do what ever the FU£k they like with their programming. You only have to look at covid for that. Almost everyone in the human race just wants to be accepted and will do anything to fit in (even if it don't feel right). If being homosexual is taboo then the  numbers go down and vise-versa.  I believe it's been a population control method throughout history as well (more homosexuals equals less births and again vise versa).

[RobSS]

6 hours ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

 

Where are any of your comments against high profile homosexuals who are part of the elite and promote homoseuxuality on this thread? One example being Stephen Fry.

 

Where are your comments about the homosexual elite?

 

 

As far as I'm concerned, there is no homosexual elite, no more than there is an heterosexual elite. Elitism is in the eye of the beholder. There are some individuals who have done a lot to achieve status in whatever field they are in, and their gay sexuality is just a coincidence. Stephen Fry didn't become who he is just because he is gay, but he has used his sexuality to enhance his persona. Not all gays do that. It's not a black and white issue. It comes down to individuality.

 

Just out of curiosity, even though I don't regard Stephen Fry as being elite or in some way above me or any other person, what terrible thing are you accusing him of exactly? Does being photographed with the Queen make you guilty of anything, in and of itself? If there had been cameras in ancient times, would Moses have been guilty of something for being photographed with the Pharaoh? Would Daniel have been guilty of something for being photographed with Nebuchadnezzar?

 

Having said that, I've never said ALL gay people are innocent, as there are obviously gay men who have committed serious crimes against humanity, such as Dennis Nilsen. He wasn't innocent. He was found guilty of being a serial murderer, So I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that i said ALL gay people are innocent. Either back up your claim or stop making things up.

 

 

Edited October 31, 2021 by RobSS

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

As far as I'm concerned, there is no homosexual elite

 

The way i see it is that there are people who exist in different communities and often those communities overlap

 

For example all the people on this forum exist in this david icke social forum community. Some of those people may also be involved in activism off the forum eg anti-lockdown marches and through that they may be in other groups. However not everyone in those groups will also be a member of the David icke social forum.

 

So they are circles of people that overlap in some places

 

This is true of the elite also. The elites will for example be freemasons and will know each other through that circle. Lets take the 'cambridge 5' spies i mentioned earlier in the thread. They were in oxbridge universities so they mixed with circles of people in those universities. Then within the universities they mixed within marxist circles and also they were gay so they were also part of the gay scene and may have known each other through those circles

 

The question is whether or not various circles would then allow some people greater degrees of soft power influence for example through connections and pull within those circles. Will some people within some circles protect other friends or associates within certain circles? For example would the people in those marxist circles have been more likely to have protected each other from outside interference? Do freemasons keep secrets amongst themselves? The cambridge 5 were in ALL of these circles and more besides for example they were also in british intelligence so they were moving in spook circles too.

 

Would their allegiance to any of the various aspects of their identities cause them to not disclose things that would otherwise be in the public interest to know? I do believe that goes on. So in the case of gay power is it possible that gay people may exert influence on society through their associations with the gay community in otherwords the existence of a 'velvet mafia?'

 

I'll give you an example. A gay student in my class had a relationship with a gay lecturer during the course i was on. This all went on behind the scenes and if it hadn't been for a bit of gossip going around no one would have known which would mean that an invisible form of influence may have been shaping certain events that might have unfairly advantaged some. Could this for example impact on that students grade?

Edited October 31, 2021 by Macnamara

[RobSS]

7 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

The way i see it is that there are people who exist in different communities and often those communities overlap

 

For example all the people on this forum exist in this david icke social forum community. Some of those people may also be involved in activism off the forum eg anti-lockdown marches and through that they may be in other groups. However not everyone in those groups will also be a member of the David icke social forum.

 

So they are circles of people that overlap in some places

 

This is true of the elite also. The elites will for example be freemasons and will know each other through that circle. Lets take the 'cambridge 5' spies i mentioned earlier in the thread. They were in oxbridge universities so they mixed with circles of people in those universities. Then within the universities they mixed within marxist circles and also they were gay so they were also part of the gay scene and may have known each other through those circles

 

The question is whether or not various circles would then allow some people greater degrees of soft power influence for example through connections and pull within those circles. Will some people within some circles protect other friends or associates within certain circles? For example would the people in those marxist circles have been more likely to have protected each other from outside interference? Do freemasons keep secrets amongst themselves? The cambridge 5 were in ALL of these circles and more besides for example they were also in british intelligence so they were moving in spook circles too.

 

Would their allegiance to any of the various aspects of their identities cause them to not disclose things that would otherwise be in the public interest to know? I do believe that goes on. So in the case of gay power is it possible that gay people may exert influence on society through their associations with the gay community in otherwords the existence of a 'velvet mafia?'

 

I'll give you an example. A gay student in my class had a relationship with a gay lecturer during the course i was on. This all went on behind the scenes and if it hadn't been for a bit of gossip going around no one would have known which would mean that an invisible form of influence may have been shaping certain events that might have unfairly advantaged some. Could this for example impact on that students grade?

 

Of course there is corruption, and where there's corruption, it should be exposed. I agree that some gay people exert some influence on society but they don't represent all gay people and not all gay people desire to exert negative influences.

 

What's really needed are as many specifics as possible, and not just vague academic theorising or things that needlessly tar a whole group of people with same brush. I'm not saying you're doing that, but some could take it that way when they see things like gay elites or mafias are responsible for this or that because it could be taken to be understood that all gays are like that because all gays have an elite, etc., which is nonsense. That's what happens with scapegoating agendas and the need to find a bogeyman to detract from a real issue. All cheap and nasty, crude, lowest common denominator kind of stuff.

 

You cited an example of a gay student who had a relationship with a gay lecturer. Now if that gay student was given an unfair advantage over others, then there should be action to bring justice to the situation, but I don't see how that affects gay people in general, but it is good that you cited a specific concern as an example.

 

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, RobSS said:

Of course there is corruption, and where there's corruption, it should be exposed. I agree that some gay people exert some influence on society but they don't represent all gay people and not all gay people desire to exert negative influences.

 

I don't think the title of the thread insists that ALL gay people are somehow in some sort of conspiracy

 

It just mentions a 'velvet mafia'

 

Now lets consider that within circles there are other circles. So for example lets say that within the gay scene which the cambridge 5 were mixing there were other circles too. For example there may have been people in that wider gay scene who also identified other people as fellow members of say a marxist scene or perhaps they might have been members of the same freemasonic lodge or perhaps part of another occult group or scene and perhaps some of them were part of a pedophile circle

 

As David has said all the pedophile circles are really just part of one big ring and that circle also overlaps massively with dark occultism and in turn those two circles will overlap with other circles such as british intelligence, politics, media etc

[RobSS]

10 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I don't think the title of the thread insists that ALL gay people are somehow in some sort of conspiracy

 

It just mentions a 'velvet mafia'

 

Now lets consider that within circles there are other circles. So for example lets say that within the gay scene which the cambridge 5 were mixing there were other circles too. For example there may have been people in that wider gay scene who also identified other people as fellow members of say a marxist scene or perhaps they might have been members of the same freemasonic lodge or perhaps part of another occult group or scene and perhaps some of them were part of a pedophile circle

 

As David has said all the pedophile circles are really just part of one big ring and that circle also overlaps massively with dark occultism and in turn those two circles will overlap with other circles such as british intelligence, politics, media etc

 

If someone or a group of people are committing a crime, it should be exposed and justice should be served. I think the term "mafia" is too strong a word. It's an emotive term designed to rile up the mindset or circle of people that like to find scapegoats and bogeymen for societies problems or even their own psychological problems. The closest thing I can think of that comes anywhere near to a gay mafia were the East End Kray twins, but even so, they were gangsters who happened to be gay. Being gay in itself isn't a crime and being gay didn't make the Kray twins who they became. It was their egos that created what they became. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 31, 2021 by RobSS