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5 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

Look Gay man has last say !   Shock !!!

Go start your own thread about Jesus !

 

Unlike you, I don't subscribe to superficial labels, neither does David Icke, and yes, the topic became about belief because several posters in this thread are Christian, so there was an exploration how best to deal with issues of anger and protest in the context of the OP. From what I've gathered so far, this is not an anti-gay thread, but a thread about rasing awareness of the cabal's agenda with respect to gay people.

 

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4 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

Go start your own thread !

 

As I said, David Icke doesn't exploit labels because they can be used in a divisive manner to scapegoat groups of people, just like you're doing. The OP has already stated the OP is not anti-gay, so perhaps you're in the wrong thread or even the wrong forum?

 

 

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4 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

Of course, the devil has his operatives on earth, which we can see, but our rulers and the cabal that controls them, receive their power, wealth and fame from the invisible realms. Madam Blavatsky also talked about the "Great White Brotherhood" who derive their power from a flame in the centre of the earth, in Shamballa. She believed this Brotherhood is responsible for the cosmic destiny of the human race. The Nazis also tried to find Shamballa in the Tibet region. They were also looking for a special energy called Vril. In the Bible, it mentions how the fallen angels were imprisoned in the earth, in a place called Tartarus.

 

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"The Vril Society, or Luminous Lodge, was a secret community of occultists in pre-Nazi Berlin. The Berlin Vril Society was in fact a sort of inner circle of the Thule Society, it was also in close contact with an English group known as the Golden Dawn. The Vril Society in Berlin apparently sought connection with supernatural beings in the entrails of the earth, and its members practiced the techniques which would eventually strengthen their mastery of the divine energy, the Vril, empowering them to master people and events. The term "Vril" came to the attention of the Western world through the writings of a not well known French author, Louis Jacolliot (1837-1890). Jacolliot was an avid reader of occult literature, and was familiar with the work of Swedenborg, of the theosophist Jacob Böhme and of Louis Claude de Saint Martin."

 

 

 

 

Is this why you have a black sun as an avatar RobSS?

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Just now, Macnamara said:

 

well yeah on the macrocosm his kingdom isn't of this world it is up in the zodiac

 

He actually said the kingdom is within, therefore it can't be out there in the Zodiac, but let's try and get this more back on topic and related to the OP.

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Just now, RobSS said:

 

He actually said the kingdom is within, therefore it can't be out there in the Zodiac, but let's try and get this more back on topic and related to the OP.

 

well that would be on the microcosm

 

but do you think the purpose of a hero figure is to externalise your focus on to them or to seek to embody that within your own life?

 

Is the purpose of the heros journey not to seek to be the hero within your own journey through this veil of tears?

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21 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

well that would be on the microcosm

 

but do you think the purpose of a hero figure is to externalise your focus on to them or to seek to embody that within your own life?

 

Is the purpose of the heros journey not to seek to be the hero within your own journey through this veil of tears?

 

He couldn't have been more specific about where the kingdom of God is located. Being within means that we have to take responsibility for our own reality and our own thoughts and deeds, therefore we do have to become our own heroes and not rely on an external saviour to come and fight our political battles in this world, and this isn't directed at you personally, mac, but if anyone lives for expressing hatred towards others, then they will have to deal with their own bad karma and fate in their own temporal timeline, what goes round comes round, but anyhow, let's try to get back to the topic of the OP.

 

 

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Just now, Coldrum said:

Eric Gill works on Ariel , from the Tempest one of his 'iconic ' statues at BBC Broad casting House London March 1933.

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And your point is? You didn't say...

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

Eric Gill works on Ariel , from the Tempest one of his 'iconic ' statues at BBC Broad casting House London March 1933.

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Are you trying to say all gays are paedophiles? Just asking in case that's what you believe...

 

Or are you making some other point because I can't work out what it is.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

Degenerate Behavior is promoted and applauded 

https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/magazines/2003/march-april/sodom-rises-again

 

The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is not about the punishment of cities for homosexuality. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is about punishing the people of a city for being full of xenophobia and the hatred of strangers. It's what happens when a society becomes hostile and inhospitable. That's why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, but people sometimes only get their understanding of the Bible from second-hand sources.

 

Karma acts in two directions. If we act out of love and compassion for others, the seed we plant will result in happiness. If we act with hatred, suffering results.

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

I dont give a fuck about Gays i avoid them like Grime artists 

 

Who cares what you think?

 

7 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

But there is a very clear agenda  being played out ...

 

Yes, there is an agenda, but so far you haven't said anything of any substance about it.

 

7 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

And its worked well on you !

 

At least it's taught me not to score home goals with the links I post! LOL

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

Who cares what you think?

Likewise who gives a rats arse about your constant kevetching!!!

 

 

Yes, there is an agenda, but so far you haven't said anything of any substance about it.

Common sense and knowing both which you lack !

 

 

At least it's taught me not to score home goals with the links I post! LOL

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

Likewise who gives a rats arse about your constant kevetching!!!

 

Good, we're making progress! 😀

 

20 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

 

Common sense and knowing both which you lack !

 

 

At least I know the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, which you obviously don't understand. What else have you misunderstood? 🤡

 

 

 

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The sobering story of Sodom and Gomorrah describes God's fiery destruction of two cities because of their extremely sinful practices (see Genesis 18–19). Bible prophets repeatedly used the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as the ultimate example of God's judgment on sinful peoples (Isaiah 13:1–22; Jeremiah 50:35–40). The Apostle Peter states that these cities were reduced to smoldering ruins as a warning to any who would follow their lifestyles (2 Peter 2:6).

For thousands of years, these vivid descriptions discouraged certain behaviors. Yet in recent decades, many have rejected these sobering warnings, ignored them, or even ridiculed them as fables and bigotry. Today, "progressive" people are promoting the very lifestyles that brought divine destruction on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah! The Bible predicted that this would occur—and explained where it will lead—in prophecies that are coming alive today!

Why did God rain fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah? Many have forgotten or want to ignore the real reason. The Bible states that when several men stopped to visit a man named Lot, "the men of Sodom… surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, and said to him, 'where are the men who came to see you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally'" (Genesis 19:4–5). Most Bible commentaries acknowledge that the men of Sodom were intent on gratifying their homosexual desires. Although Lot responded, "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly" (Genesis 19:7), the men of Sodom attempted to sexually abuse special messengers from God (Genesis 19:1). Because of this "exceedingly wicked and sinful" behavior (Genesis 13:13) the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were suddenly and totally destroyed by an act of God (Genesis 19:24–25).

This is not the only biblical example of divine punishment for what many today term an "alternate" lifestyle. Men of the tribe of Benjamin forgot the lesson of Sodom and Gomorrah, and made a similarly fatal mistake. When a traveling Levite sought lodging in Gibeah, "certain men of the city, perverted men, surrounded the house and beat on the door… saying, 'bring out the man who came to your house, that we may know him carnally'" (Judges 19:22). When their demand was refused, they abused the Levite's concubine all night until she died (Judges 19:24–27). This wanton act of sexual aggression started a civil war that nearly destroyed the tribe of Benjamin (Judges 20).

The Bible explains why God brought such terrible punishment on Sodom, Gomorrah and Gibeah. The laws God gave to Moses contain very clear prohibitions against homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 enjoins that "you shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination" (Deuteronomy 23:17). These instructions and severe penalties were designed to prevent and discourage behaviors the Bible labels as evil, perverted, wicked abominations. This is not just the opinion of Moses; it is what God stated. These biblical instructions do not promote hatred against individuals, but were designed to stigmatize certain behaviors that are detrimental to human beings and human societies. These divine revelations have guided many human societies for thousands of years—until recently!

In the last several decades, we have witnessed an amazing social transformation—especially in the "Christian" nations of Northwestern European descent. Today we see the growing toleration and active promotion of homosexual behavior—even by the clergy. Homosexual men and lesbians are applauded for "coming out" of the closet. College students are encouraged to experiment with homosexual relationships. "Gay pride" parades are staged from London to San Francisco to Sydney. What was long regarded as a perversion is now presented as an acceptable, normal "alternate" lifestyle. But even more is on the way!

Homosexual political lobbies want same-sex relationships recognized as the legal equivalent of heterosexual marriage. Laws pending in Sweden and Canada would make any negative reference to homosexuality a crime (WorldNetDaily, Oct. 21, 2002). Under such laws, certain biblical passages would be classified as "hate literature," and quoting the Bible could be a criminal offense. Mainstream Christian churches plan to endorse same-sex "marriages" even though this may cause a major departure of members who view this as a wholesale rejection of biblical instructions (London Daily Telegraph, Nov. 4, 2002). Today, seminaries and parishes have many homosexual clergy, who simply do not believe or follow biblical teachings.

Many hail these recent and shocking developments as a sign of progress and modernization. Yet anyone with a sense of history and knowledge of Scripture should know better. Isaiah referred to the morally degenerate nation of Israel as "you rulers of Sodom… you people of Gomorrah" (Isaiah 1:10). He labeled them a "sinful nation" (1:4) that had "rebelled" against their God (1:2). He said that "they declare their sin as Sodom" (3:9)—they had no shame and saw nothing wrong with their behavior! This is exactly where we are today. Isaiah also warned: "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil" (5:20). Recently, during a debate over homosexual couples adopting children, a member of the British Parliament was "villified for saying that conventional marriage, according to all the evidence, provides the most stable background for bringing up children" (London Daily Telegraph, Nov. 5, 2002. An editorial laments, "what a pretty pass we have come to, when a Tory chairman is condemned as 'nasty' for stating the blindingly obvious" (ibid.). One British journalist, though identifying himself a homosexual, labeled the whole debate about homosexuals adopting children as "political correctness gone mad" and a "misdirected obsession with equality" in which "people are afraid to tell the truth" (ibid.).

Long ago, the Bible predicted that this tragic situation would arise and explained why it would occur. Moses warned our Israelite ancestors: "For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days" (Deuteronomy 31:29). The Apostle Paul explains that because human beings "did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting" (Romans 1:28)—including sexual activities such as homosexuality (Romans 1:24–27). These behaviors thrive where the laws of God are rejected. The acceptance of homosexual lifestyles has paralleled the decline of biblical religion that we have seen in recent decades.

Many today have forgotten that Jesus spoke of a coming judgment (Matthew 10:14–15). God plainly states: "I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity" (Isaiah 13:11). He prophesied that the ancient city of Babylon would be destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah (Isaiah 13:19–20), and that a future end-time Babylon would suffer the same fate because of rampant sins (Revelation 11:8; 18:1–8). The prophet Amos predicted that sinful Israelite nations will be overthrown like Sodom and Gomorrah. Because we have rejected God's instructions, Amos cries out: "Prepare to meet your God, O Israel" (Amos 4:11–12). The story of Sodom and Gomorrah was intended to convey a powerful lesson: that disobeying the laws of God brings tragic results. Unless we repent of our modern return to the ways of Sodom, the Bible prophecies coming alive today indicate that serious consequences are just ahead!

Douglas S. Winnail

 

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21 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

 

 

The sobering story of Sodom and Gomorrah describes God's fiery destruction of two cities because of their extremely sinful practices (see Genesis 18–19). Bible prophets repeatedly used the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as the ultimate example of God's judgment on sinful peoples (Isaiah 13:1–22; Jeremiah 50:35–40). The Apostle Peter states that these cities were reduced to smoldering ruins as a warning to any who would follow their lifestyles (2 Peter 2:6).

For thousands of years, these vivid descriptions discouraged certain behaviors. Yet in recent decades, many have rejected these sobering warnings, ignored them, or even ridiculed them as fables and bigotry. Today, "progressive" people are promoting the very lifestyles that brought divine destruction on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah! The Bible predicted that this would occur—and explained where it will lead—in prophecies that are coming alive today!

Why did God rain fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah? Many have forgotten or want to ignore the real reason. The Bible states that when several men stopped to visit a man named Lot, "the men of Sodom… surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, and said to him, 'where are the men who came to see you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally'" (Genesis 19:4–5). Most Bible commentaries acknowledge that the men of Sodom were intent on gratifying their homosexual desires. Although Lot responded, "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly" (Genesis 19:7), the men of Sodom attempted to sexually abuse special messengers from God (Genesis 19:1). Because of this "exceedingly wicked and sinful" behavior (Genesis 13:13) the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were suddenly and totally destroyed by an act of God (Genesis 19:24–25).

This is not the only biblical example of divine punishment for what many today term an "alternate" lifestyle. Men of the tribe of Benjamin forgot the lesson of Sodom and Gomorrah, and made a similarly fatal mistake. When a traveling Levite sought lodging in Gibeah, "certain men of the city, perverted men, surrounded the house and beat on the door… saying, 'bring out the man who came to your house, that we may know him carnally'" (Judges 19:22). When their demand was refused, they abused the Levite's concubine all night until she died (Judges 19:24–27). This wanton act of sexual aggression started a civil war that nearly destroyed the tribe of Benjamin (Judges 20).

The Bible explains why God brought such terrible punishment on Sodom, Gomorrah and Gibeah. The laws God gave to Moses contain very clear prohibitions against homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 enjoins that "you shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination" (Deuteronomy 23:17). These instructions and severe penalties were designed to prevent and discourage behaviors the Bible labels as evil, perverted, wicked abominations. This is not just the opinion of Moses; it is what God stated. These biblical instructions do not promote hatred against individuals, but were designed to stigmatize certain behaviors that are detrimental to human beings and human societies. These divine revelations have guided many human societies for thousands of years—until recently!

In the last several decades, we have witnessed an amazing social transformation—especially in the "Christian" nations of Northwestern European descent. Today we see the growing toleration and active promotion of homosexual behavior—even by the clergy. Homosexual men and lesbians are applauded for "coming out" of the closet. College students are encouraged to experiment with homosexual relationships. "Gay pride" parades are staged from London to San Francisco to Sydney. What was long regarded as a perversion is now presented as an acceptable, normal "alternate" lifestyle. But even more is on the way!

Homosexual political lobbies want same-sex relationships recognized as the legal equivalent of heterosexual marriage. Laws pending in Sweden and Canada would make any negative reference to homosexuality a crime (WorldNetDaily, Oct. 21, 2002). Under such laws, certain biblical passages would be classified as "hate literature," and quoting the Bible could be a criminal offense. Mainstream Christian churches plan to endorse same-sex "marriages" even though this may cause a major departure of members who view this as a wholesale rejection of biblical instructions (London Daily Telegraph, Nov. 4, 2002). Today, seminaries and parishes have many homosexual clergy, who simply do not believe or follow biblical teachings.

Many hail these recent and shocking developments as a sign of progress and modernization. Yet anyone with a sense of history and knowledge of Scripture should know better. Isaiah referred to the morally degenerate nation of Israel as "you rulers of Sodom… you people of Gomorrah" (Isaiah 1:10). He labeled them a "sinful nation" (1:4) that had "rebelled" against their God (1:2). He said that "they declare their sin as Sodom" (3:9)—they had no shame and saw nothing wrong with their behavior! This is exactly where we are today. Isaiah also warned: "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil" (5:20). Recently, during a debate over homosexual couples adopting children, a member of the British Parliament was "villified for saying that conventional marriage, according to all the evidence, provides the most stable background for bringing up children" (London Daily Telegraph, Nov. 5, 2002. An editorial laments, "what a pretty pass we have come to, when a Tory chairman is condemned as 'nasty' for stating the blindingly obvious" (ibid.). One British journalist, though identifying himself a homosexual, labeled the whole debate about homosexuals adopting children as "political correctness gone mad" and a "misdirected obsession with equality" in which "people are afraid to tell the truth" (ibid.).

Long ago, the Bible predicted that this tragic situation would arise and explained why it would occur. Moses warned our Israelite ancestors: "For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days" (Deuteronomy 31:29). The Apostle Paul explains that because human beings "did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting" (Romans 1:28)—including sexual activities such as homosexuality (Romans 1:24–27). These behaviors thrive where the laws of God are rejected. The acceptance of homosexual lifestyles has paralleled the decline of biblical religion that we have seen in recent decades.

Many today have forgotten that Jesus spoke of a coming judgment (Matthew 10:14–15). God plainly states: "I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity" (Isaiah 13:11). He prophesied that the ancient city of Babylon would be destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah (Isaiah 13:19–20), and that a future end-time Babylon would suffer the same fate because of rampant sins (Revelation 11:8; 18:1–8). The prophet Amos predicted that sinful Israelite nations will be overthrown like Sodom and Gomorrah. Because we have rejected God's instructions, Amos cries out: "Prepare to meet your God, O Israel" (Amos 4:11–12). The story of Sodom and Gomorrah was intended to convey a powerful lesson: that disobeying the laws of God brings tragic results. Unless we repent of our modern return to the ways of Sodom, the Bible prophecies coming alive today indicate that serious consequences are just ahead!

Douglas S. Winnail

 

 

1. Genesis 19 never mentions homosexuals in Sodom.

2. Genesis 19 never mentions a homosexual act being committed in Sodom.

3. Scripture never mentions a same sex relationship in Sodom.

4. Scripture never tells us that the inhabitants of Sodom were homosexuals.

5. Scripture never tells us that God destroyed Sodom because of homosexuality.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is not about the punishment of cities for homosexuality. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is about punishing the people of a city for being full of xenophobia and the hatred of strangers. It's what happens when a society becomes hostile and inhospitable. That's why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, but people sometimes only get their understanding of the Bible from second-hand sources.

 

 

 

 

 

That's frankly ridiculous.

 

The men of Sodom tried to have sex with the male angels God sent. This is why Sodom was destroyed.

 

Whether the story was real or an allegory it is clear that the Old Testament Bible did not approve of the kind of institutionalised homosexuality which existed in some parts of the ancient world and now fully exists in our world.

 

 

 

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