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Just now, Macnamara said:

 

well yeah on the macrocosm his kingdom isn't of this world it is up in the zodiac

 

He actually said the kingdom is within, therefore it can't be out there in the Zodiac, but let's try and get this more back on topic and related to the OP.

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Just now, RobSS said:

 

He actually said the kingdom is within, therefore it can't be out there in the Zodiac, but let's try and get this more back on topic and related to the OP.

 

well that would be on the microcosm

 

but do you think the purpose of a hero figure is to externalise your focus on to them or to seek to embody that within your own life?

 

Is the purpose of the heros journey not to seek to be the hero within your own journey through this veil of tears?

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21 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

well that would be on the microcosm

 

but do you think the purpose of a hero figure is to externalise your focus on to them or to seek to embody that within your own life?

 

Is the purpose of the heros journey not to seek to be the hero within your own journey through this veil of tears?

 

He couldn't have been more specific about where the kingdom of God is located. Being within means that we have to take responsibility for our own reality and our own thoughts and deeds, therefore we do have to become our own heroes and not rely on an external saviour to come and fight our political battles in this world, and this isn't directed at you personally, mac, but if anyone lives for expressing hatred towards others, then they will have to deal with their own bad karma and fate in their own temporal timeline, what goes round comes round, but anyhow, let's try to get back to the topic of the OP.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

Eric Gill works on Ariel , from the Tempest one of his 'iconic ' statues at BBC Broad casting House London March 1933.

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Are you trying to say all gays are paedophiles? Just asking in case that's what you believe...

 

Or are you making some other point because I can't work out what it is.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

Degenerate Behavior is promoted and applauded 

https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/magazines/2003/march-april/sodom-rises-again

 

The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is not about the punishment of cities for homosexuality. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is about punishing the people of a city for being full of xenophobia and the hatred of strangers. It's what happens when a society becomes hostile and inhospitable. That's why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, but people sometimes only get their understanding of the Bible from second-hand sources.

 

Karma acts in two directions. If we act out of love and compassion for others, the seed we plant will result in happiness. If we act with hatred, suffering results.

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

I dont give a fuck about Gays i avoid them like Grime artists 

 

Who cares what you think?

 

7 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

But there is a very clear agenda  being played out ...

 

Yes, there is an agenda, but so far you haven't said anything of any substance about it.

 

7 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

And its worked well on you !

 

At least it's taught me not to score home goals with the links I post! LOL

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

Who cares what you think?

Likewise who gives a rats arse about your constant kevetching!!!

 

 

Yes, there is an agenda, but so far you haven't said anything of any substance about it.

Common sense and knowing both which you lack !

 

 

At least it's taught me not to score home goals with the links I post! LOL

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

Likewise who gives a rats arse about your constant kevetching!!!

 

Good, we're making progress! 😀

 

20 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

 

Common sense and knowing both which you lack !

 

 

At least I know the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, which you obviously don't understand. What else have you misunderstood? 🤡

 

 

 

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The sobering story of Sodom and Gomorrah describes God's fiery destruction of two cities because of their extremely sinful practices (see Genesis 18–19). Bible prophets repeatedly used the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as the ultimate example of God's judgment on sinful peoples (Isaiah 13:1–22; Jeremiah 50:35–40). The Apostle Peter states that these cities were reduced to smoldering ruins as a warning to any who would follow their lifestyles (2 Peter 2:6).

For thousands of years, these vivid descriptions discouraged certain behaviors. Yet in recent decades, many have rejected these sobering warnings, ignored them, or even ridiculed them as fables and bigotry. Today, "progressive" people are promoting the very lifestyles that brought divine destruction on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah! The Bible predicted that this would occur—and explained where it will lead—in prophecies that are coming alive today!

Why did God rain fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah? Many have forgotten or want to ignore the real reason. The Bible states that when several men stopped to visit a man named Lot, "the men of Sodom… surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, and said to him, 'where are the men who came to see you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally'" (Genesis 19:4–5). Most Bible commentaries acknowledge that the men of Sodom were intent on gratifying their homosexual desires. Although Lot responded, "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly" (Genesis 19:7), the men of Sodom attempted to sexually abuse special messengers from God (Genesis 19:1). Because of this "exceedingly wicked and sinful" behavior (Genesis 13:13) the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were suddenly and totally destroyed by an act of God (Genesis 19:24–25).

This is not the only biblical example of divine punishment for what many today term an "alternate" lifestyle. Men of the tribe of Benjamin forgot the lesson of Sodom and Gomorrah, and made a similarly fatal mistake. When a traveling Levite sought lodging in Gibeah, "certain men of the city, perverted men, surrounded the house and beat on the door… saying, 'bring out the man who came to your house, that we may know him carnally'" (Judges 19:22). When their demand was refused, they abused the Levite's concubine all night until she died (Judges 19:24–27). This wanton act of sexual aggression started a civil war that nearly destroyed the tribe of Benjamin (Judges 20).

The Bible explains why God brought such terrible punishment on Sodom, Gomorrah and Gibeah. The laws God gave to Moses contain very clear prohibitions against homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 enjoins that "you shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination" (Deuteronomy 23:17). These instructions and severe penalties were designed to prevent and discourage behaviors the Bible labels as evil, perverted, wicked abominations. This is not just the opinion of Moses; it is what God stated. These biblical instructions do not promote hatred against individuals, but were designed to stigmatize certain behaviors that are detrimental to human beings and human societies. These divine revelations have guided many human societies for thousands of years—until recently!

In the last several decades, we have witnessed an amazing social transformation—especially in the "Christian" nations of Northwestern European descent. Today we see the growing toleration and active promotion of homosexual behavior—even by the clergy. Homosexual men and lesbians are applauded for "coming out" of the closet. College students are encouraged to experiment with homosexual relationships. "Gay pride" parades are staged from London to San Francisco to Sydney. What was long regarded as a perversion is now presented as an acceptable, normal "alternate" lifestyle. But even more is on the way!

Homosexual political lobbies want same-sex relationships recognized as the legal equivalent of heterosexual marriage. Laws pending in Sweden and Canada would make any negative reference to homosexuality a crime (WorldNetDaily, Oct. 21, 2002). Under such laws, certain biblical passages would be classified as "hate literature," and quoting the Bible could be a criminal offense. Mainstream Christian churches plan to endorse same-sex "marriages" even though this may cause a major departure of members who view this as a wholesale rejection of biblical instructions (London Daily Telegraph, Nov. 4, 2002). Today, seminaries and parishes have many homosexual clergy, who simply do not believe or follow biblical teachings.

Many hail these recent and shocking developments as a sign of progress and modernization. Yet anyone with a sense of history and knowledge of Scripture should know better. Isaiah referred to the morally degenerate nation of Israel as "you rulers of Sodom… you people of Gomorrah" (Isaiah 1:10). He labeled them a "sinful nation" (1:4) that had "rebelled" against their God (1:2). He said that "they declare their sin as Sodom" (3:9)—they had no shame and saw nothing wrong with their behavior! This is exactly where we are today. Isaiah also warned: "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil" (5:20). Recently, during a debate over homosexual couples adopting children, a member of the British Parliament was "villified for saying that conventional marriage, according to all the evidence, provides the most stable background for bringing up children" (London Daily Telegraph, Nov. 5, 2002. An editorial laments, "what a pretty pass we have come to, when a Tory chairman is condemned as 'nasty' for stating the blindingly obvious" (ibid.). One British journalist, though identifying himself a homosexual, labeled the whole debate about homosexuals adopting children as "political correctness gone mad" and a "misdirected obsession with equality" in which "people are afraid to tell the truth" (ibid.).

Long ago, the Bible predicted that this tragic situation would arise and explained why it would occur. Moses warned our Israelite ancestors: "For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days" (Deuteronomy 31:29). The Apostle Paul explains that because human beings "did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting" (Romans 1:28)—including sexual activities such as homosexuality (Romans 1:24–27). These behaviors thrive where the laws of God are rejected. The acceptance of homosexual lifestyles has paralleled the decline of biblical religion that we have seen in recent decades.

Many today have forgotten that Jesus spoke of a coming judgment (Matthew 10:14–15). God plainly states: "I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity" (Isaiah 13:11). He prophesied that the ancient city of Babylon would be destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah (Isaiah 13:19–20), and that a future end-time Babylon would suffer the same fate because of rampant sins (Revelation 11:8; 18:1–8). The prophet Amos predicted that sinful Israelite nations will be overthrown like Sodom and Gomorrah. Because we have rejected God's instructions, Amos cries out: "Prepare to meet your God, O Israel" (Amos 4:11–12). The story of Sodom and Gomorrah was intended to convey a powerful lesson: that disobeying the laws of God brings tragic results. Unless we repent of our modern return to the ways of Sodom, the Bible prophecies coming alive today indicate that serious consequences are just ahead!

Douglas S. Winnail

 

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21 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

 

 

The sobering story of Sodom and Gomorrah describes God's fiery destruction of two cities because of their extremely sinful practices (see Genesis 18–19). Bible prophets repeatedly used the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as the ultimate example of God's judgment on sinful peoples (Isaiah 13:1–22; Jeremiah 50:35–40). The Apostle Peter states that these cities were reduced to smoldering ruins as a warning to any who would follow their lifestyles (2 Peter 2:6).

For thousands of years, these vivid descriptions discouraged certain behaviors. Yet in recent decades, many have rejected these sobering warnings, ignored them, or even ridiculed them as fables and bigotry. Today, "progressive" people are promoting the very lifestyles that brought divine destruction on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah! The Bible predicted that this would occur—and explained where it will lead—in prophecies that are coming alive today!

Why did God rain fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah? Many have forgotten or want to ignore the real reason. The Bible states that when several men stopped to visit a man named Lot, "the men of Sodom… surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, and said to him, 'where are the men who came to see you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally'" (Genesis 19:4–5). Most Bible commentaries acknowledge that the men of Sodom were intent on gratifying their homosexual desires. Although Lot responded, "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly" (Genesis 19:7), the men of Sodom attempted to sexually abuse special messengers from God (Genesis 19:1). Because of this "exceedingly wicked and sinful" behavior (Genesis 13:13) the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were suddenly and totally destroyed by an act of God (Genesis 19:24–25).

This is not the only biblical example of divine punishment for what many today term an "alternate" lifestyle. Men of the tribe of Benjamin forgot the lesson of Sodom and Gomorrah, and made a similarly fatal mistake. When a traveling Levite sought lodging in Gibeah, "certain men of the city, perverted men, surrounded the house and beat on the door… saying, 'bring out the man who came to your house, that we may know him carnally'" (Judges 19:22). When their demand was refused, they abused the Levite's concubine all night until she died (Judges 19:24–27). This wanton act of sexual aggression started a civil war that nearly destroyed the tribe of Benjamin (Judges 20).

The Bible explains why God brought such terrible punishment on Sodom, Gomorrah and Gibeah. The laws God gave to Moses contain very clear prohibitions against homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 enjoins that "you shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination" (Deuteronomy 23:17). These instructions and severe penalties were designed to prevent and discourage behaviors the Bible labels as evil, perverted, wicked abominations. This is not just the opinion of Moses; it is what God stated. These biblical instructions do not promote hatred against individuals, but were designed to stigmatize certain behaviors that are detrimental to human beings and human societies. These divine revelations have guided many human societies for thousands of years—until recently!

In the last several decades, we have witnessed an amazing social transformation—especially in the "Christian" nations of Northwestern European descent. Today we see the growing toleration and active promotion of homosexual behavior—even by the clergy. Homosexual men and lesbians are applauded for "coming out" of the closet. College students are encouraged to experiment with homosexual relationships. "Gay pride" parades are staged from London to San Francisco to Sydney. What was long regarded as a perversion is now presented as an acceptable, normal "alternate" lifestyle. But even more is on the way!

Homosexual political lobbies want same-sex relationships recognized as the legal equivalent of heterosexual marriage. Laws pending in Sweden and Canada would make any negative reference to homosexuality a crime (WorldNetDaily, Oct. 21, 2002). Under such laws, certain biblical passages would be classified as "hate literature," and quoting the Bible could be a criminal offense. Mainstream Christian churches plan to endorse same-sex "marriages" even though this may cause a major departure of members who view this as a wholesale rejection of biblical instructions (London Daily Telegraph, Nov. 4, 2002). Today, seminaries and parishes have many homosexual clergy, who simply do not believe or follow biblical teachings.

Many hail these recent and shocking developments as a sign of progress and modernization. Yet anyone with a sense of history and knowledge of Scripture should know better. Isaiah referred to the morally degenerate nation of Israel as "you rulers of Sodom… you people of Gomorrah" (Isaiah 1:10). He labeled them a "sinful nation" (1:4) that had "rebelled" against their God (1:2). He said that "they declare their sin as Sodom" (3:9)—they had no shame and saw nothing wrong with their behavior! This is exactly where we are today. Isaiah also warned: "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil" (5:20). Recently, during a debate over homosexual couples adopting children, a member of the British Parliament was "villified for saying that conventional marriage, according to all the evidence, provides the most stable background for bringing up children" (London Daily Telegraph, Nov. 5, 2002. An editorial laments, "what a pretty pass we have come to, when a Tory chairman is condemned as 'nasty' for stating the blindingly obvious" (ibid.). One British journalist, though identifying himself a homosexual, labeled the whole debate about homosexuals adopting children as "political correctness gone mad" and a "misdirected obsession with equality" in which "people are afraid to tell the truth" (ibid.).

Long ago, the Bible predicted that this tragic situation would arise and explained why it would occur. Moses warned our Israelite ancestors: "For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days" (Deuteronomy 31:29). The Apostle Paul explains that because human beings "did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting" (Romans 1:28)—including sexual activities such as homosexuality (Romans 1:24–27). These behaviors thrive where the laws of God are rejected. The acceptance of homosexual lifestyles has paralleled the decline of biblical religion that we have seen in recent decades.

Many today have forgotten that Jesus spoke of a coming judgment (Matthew 10:14–15). God plainly states: "I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity" (Isaiah 13:11). He prophesied that the ancient city of Babylon would be destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah (Isaiah 13:19–20), and that a future end-time Babylon would suffer the same fate because of rampant sins (Revelation 11:8; 18:1–8). The prophet Amos predicted that sinful Israelite nations will be overthrown like Sodom and Gomorrah. Because we have rejected God's instructions, Amos cries out: "Prepare to meet your God, O Israel" (Amos 4:11–12). The story of Sodom and Gomorrah was intended to convey a powerful lesson: that disobeying the laws of God brings tragic results. Unless we repent of our modern return to the ways of Sodom, the Bible prophecies coming alive today indicate that serious consequences are just ahead!

Douglas S. Winnail

 

 

1. Genesis 19 never mentions homosexuals in Sodom.

2. Genesis 19 never mentions a homosexual act being committed in Sodom.

3. Scripture never mentions a same sex relationship in Sodom.

4. Scripture never tells us that the inhabitants of Sodom were homosexuals.

5. Scripture never tells us that God destroyed Sodom because of homosexuality.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

The biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is not about the punishment of cities for homosexuality. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is about punishing the people of a city for being full of xenophobia and the hatred of strangers. It's what happens when a society becomes hostile and inhospitable. That's why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, but people sometimes only get their understanding of the Bible from second-hand sources.

 

 

 

 

 

That's frankly ridiculous.

 

The men of Sodom tried to have sex with the male angels God sent. This is why Sodom was destroyed.

 

Whether the story was real or an allegory it is clear that the Old Testament Bible did not approve of the kind of institutionalised homosexuality which existed in some parts of the ancient world and now fully exists in our world.

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

That's frankly ridiculous.

 

The men of Sodom tried to have sex with the male angels God sent. This is why Sodom was destroyed.

 

Whether the story was real or an allegory it is clear that the Old Testament Bible did not approve of the kind of institutionalised homosexuality which existed in some parts of the ancient world and now fully exists in our world.

 

 

You're right that the men tried to have sex with the angels of God, but that is rape, which is a despicable act of criminality, Over the centuries this has unfairly mutated from being an absolutely proper condemnation of sexual abuse and assault into a general condemnation of same-sex love, but when you look at the crime in detail, it has nothing to do with condemning any loving relationship.

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, RobSS said:

He couldn't have been more specific about where the kingdom of God is located. Being within means that we have to take responsibility for our own reality and our own thoughts and deeds, therefore we do have to become our own heroes and not rely on an external saviour to come and fight our political battles in this world,

 

right......why should a better world land in our lap if we don't deserve it through achieving it by right action?

 

10 hours ago, RobSS said:

and this isn't directed at you personally, mac, but if anyone lives for expressing hatred towards others, then they will have to deal with their own bad karma and fate in their own temporal timeline, what goes round comes round, but anyhow, let's try to get back to the topic of the OP.

 

'expressing' is a little vague especially in a time full of empty, virtue signalling gestures such as 'taking the knee' or wearing ribbons or raising the fist or all kinds of outward displays of pretense towards certain politically correct values

 

But gestures are cheap and mean nothing by themselves. For example britains most prolific (that we know of) rapist jimmy saville used to make gestures towards charity all the time because gestures create a MASK behind which people can hide their true behaviours

 

So 'expressing' things isn't really so important unless you mean what people actually do in their actions

 

As for 'hate' that is another vague term because who defines what 'hate' is? The politically correct woke mob will simply define 'hate' as anything they don't like or which challenges their narratives. For example if someone questions if certain endocrine disrupting chemicals are gender bending people the fake-left will seek to silence them by calling them a 'transphobe' even if they are not afraid or feel any hate towards trans people. In fact such a persons feeling towards afflicted people may be more one of pity and compassion but they will still be demonised because the people masterminding 'wokeness' and who define what is politically correct from one day to the next will want to hide the effects of those chemicals on society and therefore will seek to silence anyone questioning things and they do this through trying to shame them, cancel them and legally persecute them.

 

I am not out there doing harm to anyone but what i am doing is pointing out the harm that others are doing. I am not hating so much as exposing the hate of others

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1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

right......why should a better world land in our lap if we don't deserve it through achieving it by right action?

 

But we should aim to make this world better. I've made that clear in previous posts. We have to become our own heroes instead of waiting for a political or spiritual saviour to make our lives better for us. We have to take self responsibility for our thoughts and actions.

 

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

'expressing' is a little vague especially in a time full of empty, virtue signalling gestures such as 'taking the knee' or wearing ribbons or raising the fist or all kinds of outward displays of pretense towards certain politically correct values

 

But gestures are cheap and mean nothing by themselves. For example britains most prolific (that we know of) rapist jimmy saville used to make gestures towards charity all the time because gestures create a MASK behind which people can hide their true behaviours

 

So 'expressing' things isn't really so important unless you mean what people actually do in their actions

 

As for 'hate' that is another vague term because who defines what 'hate' is? The politically correct woke mob will simply define 'hate' as anything they don't like or which challenges their narratives. For example if someone questions if certain endocrine disrupting chemicals are gender bending people the fake-left will seek to silence them by calling them a 'transphobe' even if they are not afraid or feel any hate towards trans people. In fact such a persons feeling towards afflicted people may be more one of pity and compassion but they will still be demonised because the people masterminding 'wokeness' and who define what is politically correct from one day to the next will want to hide the effects of those chemicals on society and therefore will seek to silence anyone questioning things and they do this through trying to shame them, cancel them and legally persecute them.

 

I am not out there doing harm to anyone but what i am doing is pointing out the harm that others are doing. I am not hating so much as exposing the hate of others

 

In my previous reply to you, I wasn't commenting in any way, shape or form that you were expressing hate, which is why I said the comment wasn't directed at you, but on the subject of hate, I do acknowledge that the term can be used divisively for a political agenda, such as political correctness, which I'm not in favour of at all because that's al the methodology of the cabal. The hatred I was referring to was people name calling and general nasty personal insults, which again, you haven't been involved in, in this thread, much to your credit.

 

 

 

 

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