Can we stop pretending that sex & procreation are a good thing?

[Wamrage]

Let's look at two things - sex and procreation. Why does a snake's mouth look like a women's vagina? Why is over 80% or more on the interwebz stuff about sex? Why is porn so engraved in our society that almost everyone watches is and thinks it's normal? Sex seems like a huge distraction and the very act of sex is so alluring that we keep come back for more, like crackheads. Sex and desire go hand in hand. As long as a person has desire he will be reincarnated again. Procreations just traps more of the divine sparks in the world. Gnostics and Essenes believed that the Devil (Demiurge) created the material world and that he also made sex to entrap ethereal souls in the prison of the flesh. This planet is nothing more than a huge energy farm for the malevolent entities. How convenient that a demented archontic wannabe God Jehova said that we should be fruitful and multiply and increase upon Earth. Think about it for a second. If procreation was something good it wouldn't be promoted and glorified, it would be demonized like hemp for example.

[EnigmaticWorld]

Porn seems like it's more about pleasure than procreation though. It's to get people jerking off instead of seeking relationships in my opinion, and to mess with your brain of course.

 

 

https://archive.vn/ud7Gw

[Wamrage]

Porn mimics the real thing, it's archontic. I won't go into it as it is not the topic. Speaking of the topic, you went completely off topic with mentioning it.

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

14 minutes ago, Wamrage said:

Porn mimics the real thing, it's archontic. I won't go into it as it is not the topic. Speaking of the topic, you went completely off topic with mentioning it.

 

 

Well I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention, it's just that I didn't agree that porn was about procreation, but you might have a point about mimicry.

 

Not that I believe that procreation is bad though, but I'm willing to listen to your views on the subject regardless.

[novymir]

 

The Truth Sets Us Free. INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH.

ps; we're not really "in a body"...

 

just don't get too attached/identified with this fraudulent world being sold as "reality". EgoMatrix--World of Lies.

Edited September 9, 2021 by novymir

[Foggy Dewhurst]

On 9/8/2021 at 8:54 PM, Wamrage said:

Let's look at two things - sex and procreation. Why does a snake's mouth look like a women's vagina? Why is over 80% or more on the interwebz stuff about sex? Why is porn so engraved in our society that almost everyone watches is and thinks it's normal? Sex seems like a huge distraction and the very act of sex is so alluring that we keep come back for more, like crackheads. Sex and desire go hand in hand. As long as a person has desire he will be reincarnated again. Procreations just traps more of the divine sparks in the world. Gnostics and Essenes believed that the Devil (Demiurge) created the material world and that he also made sex to entrap ethereal souls in the prison of the flesh. This planet is nothing more than a huge energy farm for the malevolent entities. How convenient that a demented archontic wannabe God Jehova said that we should be fruitful and multiply and increase upon Earth. Think about it for a second. If procreation was something good it wouldn't be promoted and glorified, it would be demonized like hemp for example.

 

If you search for "thejonathankleck" on bitchute or odyssey,he shows images of how the Vatican(which means divining snake) is built as a Serpent and the Altar of St.Peter is of a Sheep/Bug/Male and Female Sex Organs.

 

Even the Virgin Mary is an inverted Sheep,dead with it's tongue sticking out.

 

The Catholic Church is in reality the Church of Satan,a sex death pedophilia cult,hidden in plain sight.

 

[Wamrage]

22 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Well I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention, it's just that I didn't agree that porn was about procreation, but you might have a point about mimicry.

 

Not that I believe that procreation is bad though, but I'm willing to listen to your views on the subject regardless.

Cathars used certain plants and herbs to avoid procreation. This knowledge got lost through time.

Condoms didn't exist at that time, so they were trying to avoid it at all cost. They also abstained from meat, dairy and eggs because animal foods are begotten by copulation.  Two things that seem crucial to the wheel of samsara are murder and sex. If you kill another human being, you are getting reincarnated. ·From the Nag Hammadi scriptures -  Marriage is defilement; sexual intercourse, called the "intercourse of Darkness," will be destroyed at the end of time (Gospel of Philip, 82:4). If you look at the Gnostics, Cathars, Bogomils, Manichaens, Essenes, Mandaens, Paulicians and many other, the thing that they all had in common was ascetism and avoiding procreation. They were persecuted and destroyed the most. Information control has always been the #1 priority for the ruling elite. Also if you look at a verse from Bhagavad Gita it speaks volume  - From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kunti, never takes birth again. Chapter 8, text 16.

[novymir]

2 hours ago, Wamrage said:

Cathars used certain plants and herbs to avoid procreation. This knowledge got lost through time.

Condoms didn't exist at that time, so they were trying to avoid it at all cost. They also abstained from meat, dairy and eggs because animal foods are begotten by copulation.  Two things that seem crucial to the wheel of samsara are murder and sex. If you kill another human being, you are getting reincarnated. ·From the Nag Hammadi scriptures -  Marriage is defilement; sexual intercourse, called the "intercourse of Darkness," will be destroyed at the end of time (Gospel of Philip, 82:4). If you look at the Gnostics, Cathars, Bogomils, Manichaens, Essenes, Mandaens, Paulicians and many other, the thing that they all had in common was ascetism and avoiding procreation. They were persecuted and destroyed the most. Information control has always been the #1 priority for the ruling elite. Also if you look at a verse from Bhagavad Gita it speaks volume  - From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kunti, never takes birth again. Chapter 8, text 16.

Yeah,,, but,,, ,...... it is The Truth that sets us free.  Nothing else can or will.

 

The ego works overtime fucking with our minds, attempting to set us up to continue to identify with and sustain it....it can and will suggest any and all ideas that are dead-ends/ illusion-based bullshit.

One cannot "escape" from a True condition that is unchangeable(Reality). This world is a fraud in totality. This is the great deception. The "past" is nothing, meaningless, that's how and why the Cathars did the absolving of "sins' right before death, but one need not even do that, the world is meaningless, the ego-self is a fiction---where does "karma"(or "evolution/learning") enter into what amounts to a brief entertaining of fantasy/ dream of untruth? It's a ploy of the ego. THE TRUTH SETS US FREE--- and It may not be how or what one might expect.

This isn't real. It has no consequence or effect in Reality---where does "reincarnation/karma" or false-judgements condemning one to hell come from? It's a con by the ego. Any disconnection/interuption of conscious contact with GOD-THE GENUINE ONE  is "hell". Different levels and layers don't change what it is, only makes the deception more difficult to discern.

The Truth erases "karma". The TRUTH Rules Above All. There is no "other" Authority. IT WILL NEVER JUDGE AGAINST THE REAL AND THE TRUE.

 

[Jikwan]

 Good and neccessary thread especially in these hedonistic times

The more you try to get pleasure from the senses the more stuck you are in samsara

Enjoying samsara is like eating food that is poisoned

[Jikwan]

Youd have to be stupid to procreate in these crazy times

[Morpheus]

On 9/10/2021 at 2:41 PM, Foggy Dewhurst said:

 

If you search for "thejonathankleck" on bitchute or odyssey,he shows images of how the Vatican(which means divining snake) is built as a Serpent and the Altar of St.Peter is of a Sheep/Bug/Male and Female Sex Organs.

 

Even the Virgin Mary is an inverted Sheep,dead with it's tongue sticking out.

 

The Catholic Church is in reality the Church of Satan,a sex death pedophilia cult,hidden in plain sight.

 

Yeah I've seen this too. He suggests that the Vatican building is of a snake, which I agree with and it's tongue even spreads to across the road. So he suggests that this is a host body system run by the god of the pit, a serpent, who is the king of the insects as spoken about in the Bible. 

 

The alter as you allude to is of the female sex organs and the throne is of the male sex organs. The seaman is of angels being born into this system. It's an interesting take that's for sure. What do you think of the rest of his stuff?

 

[Mr H]

If we and other species didn't have sex, there would be no life. So yes I guess that would mean avoiding reincarnation but is no life really what is God's plan? 

[Wamrage]

9 hours ago, Mr H said:

If we and other species didn't have sex, there would be no life. So yes I guess that would mean avoiding reincarnation but is no life really what is God's plan? 

Other species don't have a high level of discernment so you can't really count them. This world, the physical world is a prison for the spirit. The main reason why children cry up until ages of 4, 5 or more are simply because it takes a lot of conditioning for the spirit to accept it's descendance from the higher realms to this material realm. Aging/Death is another thing that ties into all of this. If death was really something natural, we wouln't find it so incredibly hard to process. These things become more obvious as a person dives deeper. In fact everything seems to be so obvious and sticking out like a pigsty in Iran.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Wamrage

[Truthspoon]

https://www.truthspoon.com/p/the-search-for-beauty-is.html

 

What is love?

 

Love is a form of attention. Love takes the attention from ones own personal inner problems and gives one something to focus on outside of the self.
 

But what happens when attention goes outward? The material world expands and grows as the all knowing inner being reaches out into the void.

 

The reality is short lived because true love requires timeless understanding and a still mind. Within a human relationship these things are unobtainable in this world which by definition is constantly in flux and full of a thousand distractions. There are financial pressures, communication failures, misunderstandings. It is easier to find love in yourself and keep it there than it is to search for it in someone by reaching across the void to another consciousness. 

 

Why reach across the void at all?

 

So we all reach out of ourselves because we feel dissatisfied with our own inner beings, and we seek to expand our inner light into the darkened void. The consequence of this is human reproduction, which is actually a form of entropy, or widening chaos. Materially, having children is natural, from a spiritual perspective however it is not.

 

Reproduction is the consequence of our failure to find God, it is a consequence of a spiritual hunger for completeness which we think the material world can solve for us. But it cannot, it can only offer the temporary excitement of desire followed by a slow loss of the self at the expense of assuming a role as head of a family.

 

We fracture and divide ourselves. And so from the original harmony we have ‘difference’, we have tribalism, peoples, nations, conflicts, wars which are inevitable when different universes occupy the same world. Reproduction is shattering the hologram into a thousand more holograms. Marriages are not easy and often fail because eventually we realise that we can never really find love outside of ourselves, except as a kind of dozing domesticity, but if we really look into ourselves we will realise that what we were looking for was inside us all along.

Edited September 16, 2021 by Truthspoon

[atenea]

On 9/16/2021 at 3:26 PM, Truthspoon said:

https://www.truthspoon.com/p/the-search-for-beauty-is.html

 

 

Reproduction is the consequence of our failure to find God, it is a consequence of a spiritual hunger for completeness which we think the material world can solve for us. But it cannot, it can only offer the temporary excitement of desire followed by a slow loss of the self at the expense of assuming a role as head of a family.

 

We fracture and divide ourselves. And so from the original harmony we have ‘difference’, we have tribalism, peoples, nations, conflicts, wars which are inevitable when different universes occupy the same world. Reproduction is shattering the hologram into a thousand more holograms. Marriages are not easy and often fail because eventually we realise that we can never really find love outside of ourselves, except as a kind of dozing domesticity, but if we really look into ourselves we will realise that what we were looking for was inside us all along.

Thanks for this

 

 

[atenea]

I just posted this thread, also in relation to this one:

 

 

[Wamrage]

Great youtube channel btw.

 

 

[78ast78dgyad]

On 9/8/2021 at 8:54 PM, Wamrage said:

Let's look at two things - sex and procreation. Why does a snake's mouth look like a women's vagina? Why is over 80% or more on the interwebz stuff about sex? Why is porn so engraved in our society that almost everyone watches is and thinks it's normal? Sex seems like a huge distraction and the very act of sex is so alluring that we keep come back for more, like crackheads. Sex and desire go hand in hand. As long as a person has desire he will be reincarnated again. Procreations just traps more of the divine sparks in the world. Gnostics and Essenes believed that the Devil (Demiurge) created the material world and that he also made sex to entrap ethereal souls in the prison of the flesh. This planet is nothing more than a huge energy farm for the malevolent entities. How convenient that a demented archontic wannabe God Jehova said that we should be fruitful and multiply and increase upon Earth. Think about it for a second. If procreation was something good it wouldn't be promoted and glorified, it would be demonized like hemp for example.

 

interesting thread

 

how do you disconnect from the physical fake world of sex, money, fame and instagram likes?

[78ast78dgyad]

On 9/15/2021 at 4:11 PM, Wamrage said:

Other species don't have a high level of discernment so you can't really count them. This world, the physical world is a prison for the spirit. The main reason why children cry up until ages of 4, 5 or more are simply because it takes a lot of conditioning for the spirit to accept it's descendance from the higher realms to this material realm. Aging/Death is another thing that ties into all of this. If death was really something natural, we wouln't find it so incredibly hard to process. These things become more obvious as a person dives deeper. In fact everything seems to be so obvious and sticking out like a pigsty in Iran.

 

reminds me of this

 

 

[PH196]

1 hour ago, 78ast78dgyad said:

 

reminds me of this

 

 

 

He's on a similar track. But what I'm describing in my posts isn't an 'opinion' piece, or anything close - it is an exact description of how this mortal creation came into existence, and how this mortal creation is propagated. 

 

All physical life is at war with and in conflict with spiritual life and all physical life is the manifestation of the moral attributes and nature of the Fallen Angels and their rebellion against God. The physical man would never have existed if the Angels had not rebelled. The material and mortal are God manifesting the opposite of himself as a result of their transgression. 

 

The Devil was a liar in the beginning when he rebelled and he has been lying during all the generations of men through the priests and theologians, who have taught man that the natural man, the child of the Devil, Lust, conceived by his Satanic power, is spiritual, holy and of God. 

 

It is this Satanic power that Jesus and the apostles 'cast out as Devils' and 'healed them everywhere'. Casting out devils is a metaphor for healing the minds of the human race who are bowed down to the serpents mind in thought and consciousness. 

 

 

In summary:

I believe human perception has been hijacked by the fallen angels and ‘tuned in’ to an artificial reality created by them (fallen angels) that is designed to disconnect human awareness from higher states of consciousness/God. This counterfeit copy resembles the prime reality ‘Eden’ in that they mimic or copy the same waveform information or fractal patterns that God designed, that is all they can do-mimic and distort.

 

There is no life in this fallen state--it is of the serpent mind and is death. An outward manifestation of this archon-demiurge self-aware virus infesting human perception, and creating a veil between the human soul and God - 'the Fall' where the soul was banished from the presence of God as the result of 'sin' , and death entered into the consciousness of the human race.

 

In the gnostic texts (secret book of john) it says this:

 

"The Archons took Adam and put Adam in paradise. They said "Eat," meaning, Do so in a leisurely manner. But in fact their pleasure is bitter and their beauty is perverse. Their pleasure is a trap, their trees are a sacrilege, their fruit is deadly poison, and their promise is death.

 

They put their tree of life in the middle of paradise.

 

I shall teach you what the secret of their life is--the plan they devised together, the nature of their spirit. The root of their tree is bitter, its branches are death, its shadow is hatred, a trap is in its leaves, its blossom is bad ointment, its fruit is death, desire is its seed, and it blossoms in darkness. The dwelling place of those who taste of it is the underworld, and darkness is their resting place."

 

Here the Gnostic writers are saying exactly what I am -- what has been termed 'life' is actually death. The archons 'false spirit' with desire as its seed, is Lust - the mind of the fallen angels, and is death.

 

The fruits of their creation, is sin, sickness and death. It is a counterfeit copy of God's creation and reflects their minds and their attributes rather than God. The soul in this state 'marries and is given in marriage' and begets and conceives and brings forth sin and death -- mortal man. But the man (the Soul) that is resurrected and restored to Life, to the image of God, as he was before the Fall, neither marries nor is given in marriage, and "neither can he die any more"; for the death sting of the Serpent is removed, and he is a child of God.

 

If you want to exchange ideas further you can message me.

 

 

Edited April 22, 2022 by PH196

[jedidiah]

 

Great thread; my opinion too re the the sex/ procreation stuff.

 

I have felt that way since I finally started becoming aware.

 

The god/religious stuff is not my cup of tea though; mainstream religion is a human construct to keep the peasants under control.

This is my opinion and I’ll stick to it unless the big guy in the sky lets me know in person, irrefutably otherwise; and maybe even then I may not believe, because how would I know it’s the big g?

 

If it’s your belief that’s fine; I wouldn’t dream of trying to convince you otherwise.

Ergo, I won’t argue/debate the point with you

 

 

[PH196]

7 hours ago, jedidiah said:

 

Great thread; my opinion too re the the sex/ procreation stuff.

 

I have felt that way since I finally started becoming aware.

 

The god/religious stuff is not my cup of tea though; mainstream religion is a human construct to keep the peasants under control.

This is my opinion and I’ll stick to it unless the big guy in the sky lets me know in person, irrefutably otherwise; and maybe even then I may not believe, because how would I know it’s the big g?

 

If it’s your belief that’s fine; I wouldn’t dream of trying to convince you otherwise.

Ergo, I won’t argue/debate the point with you

 

 

All of the 'religions' have been hijacked by the same archontic force , through institutions like the catholic church they have kept the truth hidden - that what they are calling 'life' is actually death, and what they have deemed 'holy' and of God (the natural birth of the natural man) is neither holy nor of God.

A few true Christian teachings managed to make it through however, as I've posted repeatedly the John 8:44 passage, where Christ is explaining why they do not understand him or his teachings:

 

The Children of the Devil

42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

Christ here is preaching what the early Christians knew and understood the truth was diluted - mankind in this fallen state is not the child of God, but is the child of Evil - lust, which is why mankind in this fallen state does not understand God, nor God's state of being or teachings, yet mankind 'will do the lusts of their father - the Devil'. Christ isn't speaking in metaphors either, he is being 100% direct.

Edited April 22, 2022 by PH196

[78ast78dgyad]

7 minutes ago, PH196 said:

All of the 'religions' have been hijacked by the same archontic force , through institutions like the catholic church they have kept the truth hidden - that what they are calling 'life' is actually death, and what they have deemed 'holy' and of God (the natural birth of the natural man) is neither holy nor of God.

A few true Christian teachings managed to make it through however, as I've posted repeatedly the John 8:44 passage, where Christ is explaining why they do not understand him or his teachings:

 

The Children of the Devil

42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

 

Christ here is preaching what the early Christians knew and understood the truth was diluted - mankind in this fallen state is not the child of God, but is the child of Evil - lust, which is why mankind in this fallen state does not understand God, nor God's state of being or teachings, yet mankind 'will do the lusts of their father - the Devil'. Christ isn't speaking in metaphors either, he is being 100% direct.

 

how do you disconnect from the physical fake world of sex, money, fame and instagram likes?

[PH196]

2 minutes ago, 78ast78dgyad said:

 

how do you disconnect from the physical fake world of sex, money, fame and instagram likes?

It's different for everyone and will be a gradual process so don't be hard on yourself if you find you are repeatedly getting caught in old behavior patterns, I still have slip ups, but in general you need to intellectually convince yourself that these things are worthless, and that you can have your spiritual nature begin to unfold in your consciousness by taking the less-traveled route.

 

In Hinduism it is called Brahmacharya - complete abstinence not just from sensuality but from all wordly things the senses indulge in - shit music, shit food etc. A lot of the 'great minds' of the ages have been Brahmachari's - Jesus of course, Buddha, the Apostles, Nikola Tesla, Gottfried Leibniz (invented calculus), Swami Sivananda, to name a few.

 

Convince yourself that the easy route of sensual pleasures such as drugs, sex, shit food, and quick dopamine hits on social media is mundane and will lead you nowhere (which is true). 

In the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna says this: Sensuality destroys life, lustre, strength, vitality, memory, wealth, great fame, holiness and devotion to the Supreme.

—Lord Krishna

 

After several years or maybe even months of having to do battle with the carnal mind and wean yourself off of these things, you will begin to see progress as your spiritual self asserts its control over the lower, animal nature.

[zArk]

On 9/8/2021 at 8:54 PM, Wamrage said:

Why does a snake's mouth look like a women's vagina?

 

it doesnt.