How can we learn to live in harmonry with a divide & conquer political agenda?

[EnigmaticWorld]

I don't think you'll ever get true harmony as people are naturally different, all you can do is strive for it as an ideal.

 

Forcing people that have different cultures to give up their traditions seems to make people even more defensive too.

 

I'm pretty sure the elites know that we're all tribal (some more than others obviously), and they use this to pit people against each other to create conflict.

 

If people want peace, then they should condemn the cultural marxists that talk like all white people have some inherent evil in them. I'm an 80s kid, and growing up through the 90s, I generally thought we were making progress towards tackling racism. That's not to say that it didn't exist, just that I don't remember so many people pushing identity politics back then. I didn't care if my friends that I grew up with were European, African, Asian etc, they were just my boys regardless, and they still are.

 

The problem is, when the cultural marxists promote identity politics, Europeans then feel like they have to think about identity politics too just to survive.

 

This is what I was saying about how Europeans in the modern age are taught to be hyperindividualist, but other groups are encouraged to be a collective. Either it's wrong for all groups, or okay for all groups, otherwise it's unfair.

Edited August 23, 2021 by EnigmaticWorld

[Macnamara]

i can tell you what we will get if people can't see the problem....

 

if people continue to embrace the fake, corporate bubble world we will get:

 

-more mass migration

-more agitation and disharmony

-more disconnection from nature

-more exploitation of native peoples as their lands are raped for the resources to feed the corporate beast

-more exposure to microwave radiation

-killer robots

-more mental illness

-more wars for the resources to fuel the corporate beast

-more toxified soil, water and air

-more endocrine disrupting chemicals into the biosphere causing gender issues and infertility

-more authoritarian government to manage all of these problems and to impose mass injections of the latest corporate bioweapon

 

the solution then? To reject the fake, corporate bubble and to start investing in the real world

Edited August 23, 2021 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

12 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

I'm an 80s kid, and growing up through the 90s, I generally thought we were making progress towards tackling racism. That's not to say that it didn't exist, just that I don't remember so many people pushing identity politics back then. I didn't care if my friends that I grew up with were European, African, Asian etc, they were just my boys regardless, and they still are.

 

i'm the same. I grew up watching tv shows full of people of all ethnicities and by the time i was of uni age i would say i was essentially colour blind

 

if you had asked me at that point what the solution to racism was i would have said that we should all interbreed so that all of humanity is the same colour. I would likely have also made an argument for socialism

 

as i grew older however i realised that is an inherently intolerant position to take. To believe everyone should be the same is intolerant of diversity not accepting of it. Such a position would see every child who is not the middling colour to be somehow incorrect

 

as for socialism i realised that ultimately the people working for that are the very same people behind monopoly-capitalism because they seek ultimate control over everything through total control of the apparatus of the state

Edited August 23, 2021 by Macnamara

[RobSS]

11 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

the solution is born out of seeing what the problem is

You can see what the problem is all over this forum... but... please let's devote this thread to finding solutions.

 

I've got ideas... one of the things I do is sing. Music can help people from different backgrounds come together.

[RobSS]

13 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

I don't think you'll ever get true harmony as people are naturally different, all you can do is strive for it as an ideal.

 

Forcing people that have different cultures to give up their traditions seems to make people even more defensive too.

 

I'm pretty sure the elites know that we're all tribal (some more than others obviously), and they use this to pit people against each other to create conflict.

 

If people want peace, then they should condemn the cultural marxists that talk like all white people have some inherent evil in them. I'm an 80s kid, and growing up through the 90s, I generally thought we were making progress towards tackling racism. That's not to say that it didn't exist, just that I don't remember so many people pushing identity politics back then. I didn't care if my friends that I grew up with were European, African, Asian etc, they were just my boys regardless, and they still are.

 

The problem is, when the cultural marxists promote identity politics, Europeans then feel like they have to think about identity politics too just to survive.

 

This is what I was saying about how Europeans in the modern age are taught to be hyperindividualist, but other groups are encouraged to be a collective. Either it's wrong for all groups, or okay for all groups, otherwise it's unfair.

Good point... forcing people to harmonise can  only have the opposite effect, so in a way, you've highlighted a solution... if we recognise and celebrate each cultures differences and we can still get along then that's a great step in the right direction.

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, RobSS said:

You can see what the problem is all over this forum... but... please let's devote this thread to finding solutions.

 

I've got ideas... one of the things I do is sing. Music can help people from different backgrounds come together.

 

to what end should you 'bring everyone from different backgrounds together?'

 

isn't that exactly the goal of the cabal behind the world government?

 

to throw everyone together and then force them to get along?

 

maybe instead of trying to ease the pain of having massive amounts of outsiders crammed into the same space as natives the answer is in fact to stop doing that and to just let people be who they are?

[RobSS]

9 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

i can tell you what we will get if people can't see the problem....

 

if people continue to embrace the fake, corporate bubble world we will get:

 

-more mass migration

-more agitation and disharmony

-more disconnection from nature

-more exploitation of native peoples as their lands are raped for the resources to feed the corporate beast

-more exposure to microwave radiation

-killer robots

-more mental illness

-more wars for the resources to fuel the corporate beast

-more toxified soil, water and air

-more endocrine disrupting chemicals into the biosphere causing gender issues and infertility

-more authoritarian government to manage all of these problems

 

the solution then? To reject the fake, corporate bubble and to start investing in the real world

I reject fake corporate bubble. Let's make the world more real!

 

Thanks for offering a solution!

[RobSS]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

to what end should you 'bring everyone from different backgrounds together?'

 

isn't that exactly the goal of the cabal behind the world government?

 

to throw everyone together and then force them to get along?

 

maybe instead of trying to ease the pain of having massive amounts of outsiders crammed into the same space as natives the answer is in fact to stop doing that and to just let people be who they are?

How is singing to people and making music forcing people to come together?

 

Hopefully it provides space and a bit of a breather for people to find a sense of community, so we can better organise against tyranny.

[Macnamara]

I read bastiats book 'the law' and he was writing back in the mid 1800's about the problem with socialist writers

 

he said they all saw humans as something that some sort of authority needed to mould into shape like a potter moulds clay

 

he also spoke out against the exploitation of native people during colonialism and how writers were talking about how best those 'barbarians' should be civilised

 

this is important because once you grasp this you realise that the same mindset that is behind antifa and blm is the exact same mindset that is behind colonialism and yet antifa and blm are the ones always harping on about 'racism'

 

but essentially they are all the same mindset which is that they believe that THEY should be the sole authority and that THEY should mould everyone else instead of just leaving everyone alone

 

This mass migration we are seeing in recent times isn't by accident. It is all being carried out to socially engineer our societies by people seeking to remould us; its just that same arrogant colonialist mindset working away in our own time

Edited August 23, 2021 by Macnamara

[RobSS]

11 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i'm the same. I grew up watching tv shows full of people of all ethnicities and by the time i was of uni age i would say i was essentially colour blind

 

if you had asked me at that point what the solution to racism was i would have said that we should all interbreed so that all of humanity is the same colour. I would likely have also made an argument for socialism

 

as i grew older however i realised that is an inherently intolerant position to take. To believe everyone should be the same is intolerant of diversity not accepting of it. Such a position would see every child who is not the middling colour to be somehow incorrect

 

as for socialism i realised that ultimately the people working for that are the very same people behind monopoly-capitalism because they seek ultimate control over everything through total control of the apparatus of the state

As I mentioned on the other thread, my mother is Swiss and my father is from South America. I'm very happy about that. I'm not advocating interbreeding as a solution but if two people love each other, why should a third party stand between them? 

Edited August 23, 2021 by RobSS

[RobSS]

3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

I read bastiats book 'the law' and he was writing back in the mid 1800's about the problem with socialist writers

 

he said they all saw humans as something that some sort of authority needed to mould into shape like a potter moulds clay

 

he also spoke out against the exploitation of native people during colonialism and how writers were talking about how best those 'barbarians' should be civilised

 

this is important because once you grasp this you realise that the same mindset that is behind antifa and blm is the exact same mindset that is behind colonialism and yet antifa and blm are the ones always harping on about 'racism'

 

but essentially they are all the same mindset which is that they believe that THEY should be the sole authority and that THEY should mould everyone else instead of just leaving everyone alone

 

This mass migration we are seeing in recent times isn't by accident. It is all being carried out to socially engineer our societies by people seeking to remould us; its just that same arrogant colonialist mindset working away in our own time

Can you please stay on topic?

 

Thank you.

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

Can you please stay on topic?

 

Thank you.

 

i am on topic

 

what you are essentially asking people is ''your leg has been cut off and you are bleeding out but what strategies can we come up with so that you won't mind as you bleed out?''

 

i'm saying that such a person is going to die no matter what strategies of pain relief you try; what really needs to be done is to solve the root problem which is the loss of blood. So you need to stem the flow of blood and then the person may have a chance

 

what you are doing though is trying to talk about how to sooth the symptoms instead of the root problem and i'm saying that won't work because reality does not work that way

 

and i don't believe david is telling people how to adjust to mass immigration. I think he is saying that mass immigration is being done to remould our society in a way that ultimately leads to transhumanism and he isn't saying we should embrace that. he is saying that we should avert that

 

...and i'm saying HOW we avert that which is to END mass immigration

Edited August 23, 2021 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

How is singing to people and making music forcing people to come together?

 

i drove past a line of billboards in a city today. All the people being advertised were producing global music

 

there were no scottish musicians being advertised at that venue

 

so what we are seeing is native culture brushed aside whilst other peoples cultures are being elevated and funded and lauded and promoted

 

this then forms a form of cultural genocide just as in the colonial times

[RobSS]

3 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

i am on topic

 

what you are essentially asking people is ''your leg has been cut off and you are bleeding out but what strategies can we come up with so that you won't mind as you bleed out?''

 

i'm saying that such a person is going to die no matter what strategies of pain relief you try; what really needs to be done is to solve the root problem which is the loss of blood. So you need to stem the flow of blood and then the person may have a chance

 

what you are doing though is trying to talk about how to sooth the symptoms instead of the root problem and i'm saying that won't work because reality does not work that way

 

and i don't believe david is telling people how to adjust to mass immigration. I think he is saying that mass immigration is being done to remould our society in a way that ultimately leads to transhumanism and he isn't saying we should embrace that. he is saying that we should avert that

 

...and i'm saying HOW we avert that which is to END mass immigration

Who said David was talking about mass immigration? I certainly didn't 

 

I'm not in favour of mass immigration and would certainly be happy to have the policy ended.

 

There, are you happy now?

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, RobSS said:

As I mentioned on the other thread, my mother is Swiss and my father is from South America. I'm very happy about that. I'm not advocating interbreeding as a solution but if two people love each other, why should a third party stand between them? 

 

i think there has always been some movement of people and some mixing and i think that is natural

 

what we are seeing going on these days though is not natural. It is the deliberate moving of large amounts of people and ultimately that will have consequences for the affected societies

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

i drove past a line of billboards in a city today. All the people being advertised were producing global music

 

there were no scottish musicians being advertised at that venue

 

so what we are seeing is native culture brushed aside whilst other peoples cultures are being elevated and funded and lauded and promoted

 

this then forms a form of cultural genocide just as in the colonial times

What you seek you will find. You're still in victim mode.

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, RobSS said:

Who said David was talking about mass immigration? I certainly didn't 

 

mass immigration is the context within which david is speaking about race because what has created all this talk of race is the migrant crisis followed by intersectionality

 

1 minute ago, RobSS said:

I'm not in favour of mass immigration and would certainly be happy to have the policy ended.

 

There, are you happy now?

 

no because absolutely nothing has changed in the real world

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

i think there has always been some movement of people and some mixing and i think that is natural

 

what we are seeing going on these days though is not natural. It is the deliberate moving of large amounts of people and ultimately that will have consequences for the affected societies

That's got nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

 

Please stop trying to derail this thread.

[Macnamara]

Just now, RobSS said:

What you seek you will find. You're still in victim mode.

 

if someone punches you in the face are you then the  victim of their violence?

 

yes you are

 

what if i then came along and said to you 'what you seek you will find. you are in victim mode'

 

you would think i was a dick because i was completely invalidating your experience

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

mass immigration is the context within which david is speaking about race because what has created all this talk of race is the migrant crisis followed by intersectionality

If you listened to his talk, you would know that he was not talking in the context of mass immigration, but rather highlighting the illusion of 5 sense reality.

[Macnamara]

1 minute ago, RobSS said:

That's got nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

 

Please stop trying to derail this thread.

 

it has everything to do with creating harmony in society

 

you just don't want to hear about what is causing the disharmony because you don't want to face upto that reality

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

if someone punches you in the face are you then the  victim of their violence?

 

yes you are

 

what if i then came along and said to you 'what you seek you will find. you are in victim mode'

 

you would think i was a dick because i was completely invalidating your experience

So what's your solution?

[Macnamara]

Just now, RobSS said:

If you listened to his talk, you would know that he was not talking in the context of mass immigration, but rather highlighting the illusion of 5 sense reality.

 

i have listened to his talk and not only that but i have been listening to his talks, following his headlines AND following the current events around which he's talking and i have been doing that for many years

 

i know these topics inside out

[Macnamara]

Just now, RobSS said:

So what's your solution?

 

stop meddling with peoples societies

[RobSS]

Just now, Macnamara said:

 

it has everything to do with creating harmony in society

 

you just don't want to hear about what is causing the disharmony because you don't want to face upto that reality

I've already agreed with you that I#m not pro mass immigration. What more do you want?