How can we learn to live in harmonry with a divide & conquer political agenda?

[RobSS]

[RobSS]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:13 PM, Truthspoon said:

 

So why are you so happy to see the English people and English culture destroyed?

 

Saying we should just transcend..... and ignore it.

 

Look Rob, I know you, and I do know that in a lot of ways you are right and you have a lot of wisdom, which you have shared with me over the years and you have taught me a lot. I would probably never have heard of the Screwtape Letters without you and you were there when I was going through a crazy time with Masons and stuff and you were the only single person on the old Harris Icke forum (yeah, me and Rob go way way back) who was on my side when I was fending off the Mason scumbags who were trying to infiltrate with their large crocodile grins.... I believe you even helped out a bit at Above Top Secret in a similar vein.

 

I don't want to make this about me vs you, white vs black...

 

Yes I know this is really humanity vs 'them'.....

 

But they are using the minorities/immigration/ism to wrest control of England from her history, culture and continuity.

 

My battle isn't against you. No way. You are a perfect example of someone who is an asset to our country....because I know you.... know your talents, your enthusiasm..... your childlike wonder at the world which sometimes has become stale to my eyes..... and that is something extraordinary....

 

We are fighting over isms and distractions..... if we could join together to fight or resist or whatever the common enemy it would be great... and I get that to some extent that is what you are trying to envision. 

 

And I know that YOU know who is the common enemy. I know you know about the Freemasons......  

 

And listen, there was a time when I was teaching in Hackney where I taught largely 1st or 2nd generation immigrant children and a lot of them were brought up in Islamic households and they had all seen that Youtube series back in the day: The Arrivals and all the school kids from Islamic backgrounds were talking about the Illuminati, the anti-Christ, Freemason and everything.... it was kind of amazing and I would have these classes with these 15 or 16 year old kids where we would discuss it all.... at that time I thought the kind of thing which you envision might have been possible and indeed I thought it was inevitable, that information and truth would conquer all.

 

But it is has not happened because we have seen unprecedented censorship and burying of the truth and most people seem content to revert to their previous position of passive consumer of TV and 'we apologise for the momentary insurgence of TRUTH in your lives, normal lies and propaganda has now been resumed'.

 

Now Rob, it is about survival. We are under full attack and if England and the culture and history of England falls and its people...then the world falls.

You know your C.S Lewis.... That Hideous Strength.... you should know that there are last strongholds which defend our present reality against the onslaught of chaos and communism.

 

It's time to stop patting yourself on the back for being fluffy and time to engage with the real threat. 

 

If England falls, it all falls.

 

 

I'm not able to finish the post today, so I'll do my very best to post it tomorrow.

 

[RobSS]

On 8/27/2021 at 2:13 PM, Truthspoon said:

 

So why are you so happy to see the English people and English culture destroyed?

 

Saying we should just transcend..... and ignore it.

 

Look Rob, I know you, and I do know that in a lot of ways you are right and you have a lot of wisdom, which you have shared with me over the years and you have taught me a lot. I would probably never have heard of the Screwtape Letters without you and you were there when I was going through a crazy time with Masons and stuff and you were the only single person on the old Harris Icke forum (yeah, me and Rob go way way back) who was on my side when I was fending off the Mason scumbags who were trying to infiltrate with their large crocodile grins.... I believe you even helped out a bit at Above Top Secret in a similar vein.

 

I don't want to make this about me vs you, white vs black...

 

Yes I know this is really humanity vs 'them'.....

 

But they are using the minorities/immigration/ism to wrest control of England from her history, culture and continuity.

 

My battle isn't against you. No way. You are a perfect example of someone who is an asset to our country....because I know you.... know your talents, your enthusiasm..... your childlike wonder at the world which sometimes has become stale to my eyes..... and that is something extraordinary....

 

We are fighting over isms and distractions..... if we could join together to fight or resist or whatever the common enemy it would be great... and I get that to some extent that is what you are trying to envision. 

 

And I know that YOU know who is the common enemy. I know you know about the Freemasons......  

 

And listen, there was a time when I was teaching in Hackney where I taught largely 1st or 2nd generation immigrant children and a lot of them were brought up in Islamic households and they had all seen that Youtube series back in the day: The Arrivals and all the school kids from Islamic backgrounds were talking about the Illuminati, the anti-Christ, Freemason and everything.... it was kind of amazing and I would have these classes with these 15 or 16 year old kids where we would discuss it all.... at that time I thought the kind of thing which you envision might have been possible and indeed I thought it was inevitable, that information and truth would conquer all.

 

But it is has not happened because we have seen unprecedented censorship and burying of the truth and most people seem content to revert to their previous position of passive consumer of TV and 'we apologise for the momentary insurgence of TRUTH in your lives, normal lies and propaganda has now been resumed'.

 

Now Rob, it is about survival. We are under full attack and if England and the culture and history of England falls and its people...then the world falls.

You know your C.S Lewis.... That Hideous Strength.... you should know that there are last strongholds which defend our present reality against the onslaught of chaos and communism.

 

It's time to stop patting yourself on the back for being fluffy and time to engage with the real threat. 

 

If England falls, it all falls.

 

 

The first few lines of your post clearly explain what your concerns are, and I know you feel very strongly. Thanks, and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Hopefully, we’ve already cleared up a lot of misunderstanding.
I hope you found the C.S. Lewis quote interesting that, “our world, England and all, is only a shadow or copy of something in Aslan's real world”. We’ve never really had an in-depth discussion about this before. I had an inkling you didn’t believe in dispensational Christianity, but because I wanted to get along, I steered clear of the subject.

The belief that the ‘second coming’ refers to our own death, for me, is too close to Deism, which is also associated with Freemasonry. If God will never more have any direct involvement in the direction of world affairs, and there’s no Divine revelation or purpose for the world, then that would mean the Archons will be Lords of the Earth, and in control forever and ever.  It would also mean that ultimately, the NWO will become a permanent and immutable reality because I can’t see any way in which humanity can overcome and defeat an enemy that dwells in a hidden dimension.

I hope I'm not being defeatist by saying that it’s impossible for mortal humans to win a war with Archons. I do believe we should struggle against evil, but as Paul said, our struggle is primarily spiritual, and the best way to protect and fortify the spirit is to find ways of uplifting the spirit, which is the opposite of what the Archons want us to do.

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." (Ephesians 6:12)

I think that’s the reason why Alex Thompson, in his interview with James Delingpole, didn’t refer much to Freemasonry is because he’s reserving his energy for strengthening his faith, a faith that allows God to have the final victory over who ultimately rules this world. If we try to fight this battle on our own we would not only be defeated, it would also be an attempt to take glory away from Christ and God.

Evil tempts us to fight it. An alternative to fighting evil would be to struggle and resist, and in so doing, overcome our shadow self. It’s very frustrating to see evil triumph, but in the end, God will be the victor.

"So I tried to understand why the wicked prosper. But what a difficult task it is! Then one day I went into your sanctuary, O God, and I thought about the destiny of the wicked." (Psalms 73:16-17)

If I were to take view that the ‘second coming’ refers to our own death, and God is no longer involved in the affairs of the world, then any childlike wonder that I might possess would quickly disappear, and the world would also become stale to my eyes.

The Narnia lamp and Aladdin’s lamp symbolise a wondrous reality that’s not of this world. In both tales, the lamps reveal how black magicians will ultimately lose their political power and authority in the world.  That lamp is within us. The Archons know that, which is why they will never completely destroy us. They need that Light for their own survival. If we fight them on the physical plane, that would give them power, and they’d be able to subjugate and control us, but if we use the power of the Lamp to overcoming our own dark thoughts and desires, then the Archons will have no alternative but to retreat and go elsewhere.  

Unless these days are shortened, Christ’s Light in is world would eventually be extinguished, and no one would survive.

Every good folk tale has the same three-part structure as the Bible. In the beginning there’s a Golden Age. Then there’s a Fall and period wandering through a dark, corrupt and labyrinthine world. Finally, there’s an apocalypse and revelation, and a return Home to the Light with all the experience and wisdom we gained from the Fall.

My aim is to come out of the shadows and shine the light through music, and with perseverance the struggle may have unexpected results. So I’m delighted to join you in resisting the enemy. Like you said, it’s about survival. It’s becoming visceral. If I’m going to die anyway, what is there to lose?

The last paragraph of C.S. Lewis’s “Last Battle”:

 

“The things that began to happen after that were so great and beautiful that I cannot write them. And for us this is the end of all the stories, and we can most truly say that they all lived happily ever after. But for them it was only the beginning of the real story. All their life in this world and all their adventures in Narnia had only been the cover and the title page: now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth has read: which goes on forever: in which every chapter is better than the one before.”

 

 

[TetraG]

10 hours ago, RobSS said:

Then there’s a Fall and period wandering through a dark, corrupt and labyrinthine world.

Yep, thats where we are now... 

Labyrinthine is it. 

(psychological dispersement, etc) 

& CorruptSHUN ..  (money, desire, fake security and control, lies, even false red flags, etc) 

 

Broadly put ~ I've said it in the "A bit Dead Here" thread..

Distractionism and Abstractionism are the tools of whatever these evil forces are. 

(I don't give them a name exactly, apart from maybe something like disembodied disauthentics of the twisted realm on the path to greed and rich wealth nefariousness or howabout "recondite little gremlins", haha) 

 

 

Enyway, RobSS, its the middle of the night so not much to light up my mind just this second,

but cheers matey for literally

a "*lighter divergence*" off of all what being on this site feels like which is wading thru shite. 

 

A good idea for a thread is this, errrmm, let me come back to it later, I am mainly observing though...

(Until I have something worth saying) 

 

Words are so loaded or repetitive on this forum, but you and others posting in threads like this could help... Once again, cheers.

 

I am not christian or someone having religious affiliation, but spiritual in various manifestations definitely.

Spiritual, whilst it can obvoously be mysterious, so can it be

sobering and so on... But it cannot easily be destroyed even if we feel unhappy by being near or too close to offensive other beings.

Whether that be energetic or chemical or biological subjugation/ discomfort.. etc. 

 

"Harmony" as such becomes more like a disparity in those circumstances... 

However, the spiritual combined with intelligence shall overcome... 

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by TetraG

[RobSS]

7 hours ago, TetraG said:

However, the spiritual combined with intelligence shall overcome... 

 

 

Yes, I agree.

 

[Truthspoon]

19 hours ago, RobSS said:

 

The first few lines of your post clearly explain what your concerns are, and I know you feel very strongly. Thanks, and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Hopefully, we’ve already cleared up a lot of misunderstanding.
I hope you found the C.S. Lewis quote interesting that, “our world, England and all, is only a shadow or copy of something in Aslan's real world”. We’ve never really had an in-depth discussion about this before. I had an inkling you didn’t believe in dispensational Christianity, but because I wanted to get along, I steered clear of the subject.

The belief that the ‘second coming’ refers to our own death, for me, is too close to Deism, which is also associated with Freemasonry. If God will never more have any direct involvement in the direction of world affairs, and there’s no Divine revelation or purpose for the world, then that would mean the Archons will be Lords of the Earth, and in control forever and ever.  It would also mean that ultimately, the NWO will become a permanent and immutable reality because I can’t see any way in which humanity 

 

 

 

Personally I prefer the quick fire, sort of response particular points.... because it's a lot to address in one go and although I can compose letters, long texts and even novels and books, I enjoy forums because of the potential for interesting quick fire back and forth conversations, but that's just my preferred style.

 

I will only address the point about Alex Thomson here. I feel that there is no excuse for lying. Lying to yourself and lying to others.... or at least doing so to protect your position within the UK Column or whatever Christian networks he is involved in.

 

Thomson is a man who knows how to get along without too much questioning of his conscience. As long as he 'fits in' with some kind of larger group which can dictate his reality and tell him he is a good boy, he feels spiritually content.

 

This is the kind of mindset of people who would even consider joining GCHQ back when it was formed.... We all knew what GCHQ was, it was no secret that it was a domestic spying operation, but this did not appear to deter Thomson.

 

Now he is part of the alternative media and he has found a wider network and is probably doing very well. But he not taking any chances. Never says anything genuinely challenging or contentious. Dismisses any talk of the JQ and attacks those who do and we never hear him mention the Freemasons.

 

He is doing good work in his way, but he is a simple man. He is not truly full of the fearless spirit of God which would expose evil wherever he finds it, he has talked himself out of that role...instead being a kind of benign and harmless former this and that who was part of the establishment and still is to some extent.

 

Challenge is do you choose the easy life and the gilded pathway or do you make your own path and trust to God and not man?

As you know Rob, I am a Quaker, and I am forced to live a kind of double life within Quakerism because they are wholly infiltrated by atheists, Feminists, and basically dim-witted old white tops who want more refugees..... remember that it was Quakers who even pushed to lower the age of sexual consent, indeed I have met one of the people who was part of this push. 

I know the Quakers have been infiltrated but I joined for my own reason and because I believe that perhaps one day when the smoke all clears we will be able to establish something like a community of sincere believers somewhere in England or wherever I can gather to together like minded Seekers.

 

Christ was not tolerant. He brought a sword. He divided the world between those humble, open minded or just naturally half way good hearted or indeed, imaginative enough to believe that what he did was real and he was who he was said to be.

 

Others can work out their own salvation of they are able. But I am a sinner. We all are, we just don't know it because we have not fully examined all of the stupid unthinking things we have done over the years.... These will all be revealed to us, our sins so to speak, or rather I prefer the term 'stupidity' because most sins come down to basic stupidity.

 

But it is the demons who whisper our sins and guilt to us. We have to be pure and spotless when we enter the light world but when we die the demons who plagued us are exposed to our sight... depending on how far they have managed to control us, we either follow them or flee from them.....

 

But if our ego, and sense of self is wrapped up in demonic suggestions, and these need not even be grave sins but just petty selfishness, rage, disguised hatreds, fear and anger of God or just general resentments.... then we will follow those inclinations.....

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by Truthspoon

[RobSS]

1 hour ago, Truthspoon said:

 

Personally I prefer the quick fire, sort of response particular points.... because it's a lot to address in one go and although I can compose letters, long texts and even novels and books, I enjoy forums because of the potential for interesting quick fire back and forth conversations, but that's just my preferred style.

 

I will only address the point about Alex Thomson here. I feel that there is no excuse for lying. Lying to yourself and lying to others.... or at least doing so to protect your position within the UK Column or whatever Christian networks he is involved in.

 

Thomson is a man who knows how to get along without too much questioning of his conscience. As long as he 'fits in' with some kind of larger group which can dictate his reality and tell him he is a good boy, he feels spiritually content.

 

This is the kind of mindset of people who would even consider joining GCHQ back when it was formed.... We all knew what GCHQ was, it was no secret that it was a domestic spying operation, but this did not appear to deter Thomson.

 

Now he is part of the alternative media and he has found a wider network and is probably doing very well. But he not taking any chances. Never says anything genuinely challenging or contentious. Dismisses any talk of the JQ and attacks those who do and we never hear him mention the Freemasons.

 

He is doing good work in his way, but he is a simple man. He is not truly full of the fearless spirit of God which would expose evil wherever he finds it, he has talked himself out of that role...instead being a kind of benign and harmless former this and that who was part of the establishment and still is to some extent.

 

Challenge is do you choose the easy life and the gilded pathway or do you make your own path and trust to God and not man?

As you know Rob, I am a Quaker, and I am forced to live a kind of double life within Quakerism because they are wholly infiltrated by atheists, Feminists, and basically dim-witted old white tops who want more refugees..... remember that it was Quakers who even pushed to lower the age of sexual consent, indeed I have met one of the people who was part of this push. 

I know the Quakers have been infiltrated but I joined for my own reason and because I believe that perhaps one day when the smoke all clears we will be able to establish something like a community of sincere believers somewhere in England or wherever I can gather to together like minded Seekers.

 

Christ was not tolerant. He brought a sword. He divided the world between those humble, open minded or just naturally half way good hearted or indeed, imaginative enough to believe that what he did was real and he was who he was said to be.

 

Others can work out their own salvation of they are able. But I am a sinner. We all are, we just don't know it because we have not fully examined all of the stupid unthinking things we have done over the years.... These will all be revealed to us, our sins so to speak, or rather I prefer the term 'stupidity' because most sins come down to basic stupidity.

 

But it is the demons who whisper our sins and guilt to us. We have to be pure and spotless when we enter the light world but when we die the demons who plagued us are exposed to our sight... depending on how far they have managed to control us, we either follow them or flee from them.....

 

But if our ego, and sense of self is wrapped up in demonic suggestions, and these need not even be grave sins but just petty selfishness, rage, disguised hatreds, fear and anger of God or just general resentments.... then we will follow those inclinations.....

 

 

You'll have to take your issues up with Alex Thompson. I haven't seen any evidence he's lying, and both he and James Delingpole did address the Jewish question in a satisfactory manner.

 

Perhaps, one day, you'll address one or two other points.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by RobSS

[Truthspoon]

20 minutes ago, RobSS said:

 

You'll have to take your issues up with Alex Thompson. I haven't seen any evidence he's lying, and both he and James Delingpole did address the Jewish question in a satisfactory manner.

 

Perhaps, one day, you'll address one or two other points.

 

 

 

No, I think we best leave it there Rob. We don't seem to have any common understanding about the important points of reality.

 

Good luck. 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by Truthspoon

[RobSS]

Just now, Truthspoon said:

 

We'll leave it there Rob. I do not think we are on the same page and perhaps it would be a waste of time to go into it further.

 

Good luck. 

 

 

Best wishes!

 

 

[Truthspoon]

[Truthspoon]

 

 

 

If you have any chance of dealing with the political agenda you have to recognise it first.

 

 

[RobSS]

1 hour ago, Truthspoon said:

 

 

 

If you have any chance of dealing with the political agenda you have to recognise it first.

 

 

 

That doesn't mean that all Jews are evil, though!

 

You can't tar a whole race, or group of disparate people, with the same brush.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by RobSS

[RobSS]

In a previous post, Truthspoon said he doesn't want to discuss James Delingpole's interview with Alex Thompson and the JQ any further, which is fine, so he doesn't have to be part of this discussion, but for anyone else who is interested, I would like to clear up Truthspoon’s claim that they didn't discuss the "Jewish question". In the interview I linked to, they did deal with the question and had fairly detailed conversation about the matter. Here's transcript from 24'15" into the video (I've added a bit of extra conversation for context):

James Delingpole: I have a telegram group and there's a few people on the telegram group who bang on about the “JQ”, which stands for, as you know, the “Jewish Question”, and you know if the world really were being run by evil Jews, and they were the solution of, you know, their explanation for everything that's wrong... if that were truly the case, I would be talking about it, but I think it's nonsense.

 

Alex Thompson: Yeah, it is nonsense... the best two-book riposte is by an Orthodox Rabbi from Boston, Massachusetts, called Rabbi Marvin Antelman, and his catchy book title is, "To eliminate the opiate", and he is one of the few having the understanding of a classic Orthodox Jew... the historical grounding, and the devotion, to trace illuminism and Satanism through Judaism and other religions back before 1776, which is most people's starting point... although, of course, it's clearly just one branch of a much older Luciferian agenda. Anyone who knows anything seriously about the Jews, for example, I teach biblical Hebrew in my Dutch reformed denomination to ministerial students – I try to read rabbinical materials as widely as I can – we know that even in any particular time and place the Jews have not been united about anything, philosophically or religiously, nor do they regard it as essential to be united on all matters.

 

You know they're famously intellectually diverse as a group. You know, we could go any number of ways there, but I'll happily talk to a modern ethno-nationalist. In fact, in both Britain, and the Netherlands, I've spent many happy semi-underground hours talking with them because they're some of the very few men left that will have their own opinion and actually want the best for their future, but if you want to talk the “Jewish question”, then you'd better know something about the Jews, preferably know some Jews... preferably know some Hebrew... know some biblical theology... know some Haskalah ideas – the Jewish Enlightenment – know something about Kabbalah, knowing something about the proportions of Jews who were in each, compared with the proportion of Jews who are simply secular and want to get on with life... you know that's a sine qua non for any discussion of the matter.

 

It was of course dissident Jews, in the late 19th century, who coined the phrase the "Judenfrage", the "Jewish question". There was no leadenness to it back then. It was simply in the same bracket as the “Irish question”, or the “Polish question”. What is this nation and where should it live? Now, that's in all three cases, of course, as with the Scots, as well in the Armenians... you've got up to 10 times as many members of that nation living in diaspora than at home, and ultimately, you know, the English do that too with the Empire, the Anglos around the world, and that skews a nation very greatly again... so these are not simple issues.

 

James Delingpole: Yes, if we were going to pin down the root cause of everything that's wrong with the world, we would probably be talking about the Illuminati?

 

Alex Thompson: Well yes, illuminism and Luciferianism as a philosophy, but you know nobody should look for a historic starting point it's simply, as I say the primacy of the mind, and the mental roots of evil. The same constellation of ideas keeps cropping up in any society. So the idea of, well, I mean: Satanism is a dedication to the Devil in the crudest sense... to fulfil your lusts of various kinds, but the elite kind of Luciferian believes that it's actually doing the world a favour by going for dystopia genocide, and tyranny because it will be such a beautiful, wonderful, harmonious future, "under our Light-bearing", which is the meaning of the word Lucifer, "our Light-bearing god".

 

Many of them believe that they're actually worshiping God, but it's Satan masquerading as God that's Luciferianism. Then, if you go back further, you've got, in the early Christian centuries... in both Judaism and Christianity... you've got Gnosticism... "Gnosis" in Greek... you know, meaning "knowledge"... particularly of the hidden kind... the idea that knowledge will save you. That’s got many other forms, like Hermeticum, but rather than doing an exhaustive study of these, which is particularly hard if you don't have the language in history, as something like we studied, just look at the recurrent ideas coming up... you know, again and again... it's the idea that it would be just wonderful if we could rule ourselves... if we didn't have any God-given boundaries to stop us stealing each other's stuff... if we could just decide for ourselves.

 

C.S Lewis said it best, I think... it's actually in that "Hideous Strength"... isn't it... that one of the characters is made to say, we know jolly well that man running his own affairs means that some of mankind will decide what the rest of mankind gets.

James Delingpole: Yes, I haven't got to that bit but, yeah, I'm sure that that sounds like it ought to be the case from that...

 

Alex Thompson: But that's the key node... you know that bridges the gap between, "Oh, I can't believe we have Satanists and Luciferians running society"... to, "Oh, now this is sounding a bit like the technocrats and the globalists that are trying to run the show now.

James Delingpole: So before we get into details about, you know the “13”... the black nobility and stuff... what you're saying is that, essentially, this is this age-old battle between Good and Evil that we're experiencing, and this has always been with us, and I've only realised this recently... you know... I've become Christian, you know, real Christian, as opposed to a kind of cultural Christian because I perceive the truth that God is real...

The conversation continues:

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/BR1bWOyft7gi/

 

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by RobSS

[RobSS]

Parsifal:

Who is the Grail?

 

Gurnemanz:

That cannot be spoken; but if you yourself are called to its service, the knowledge will be revealed to you.

Now look! I think I know you aright; no path leads to it through the land, and nobody finds their way there, unless the Grail itself leads them.

 

Parsifal:

I scarcely move, yet already it seems I have travelled far.

 

Gurnemanz:

You see, my son, here time becomes space.

 

Gradually, as Gurnemanz and Parsifal continue to move, the scene has changed more and more noticeably; the woods have disappeared and in the rocky wall a doorway has opened, through which they pass and which closes behind them. On a rising path they move between the rocks until the scene has completely changed. Gurnemanz and Parsifal now enter the great hall of the Grail Castle.

 

Gurnemanz:

Now pay attention and let me see; if you are a fool and pure what wisdom may be revealed to you.

 

(R. Wagner, Parsifal)

 

[RobSS]

"And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 18:3)

 

 

[RobSS]

[Mr H]

On 8/23/2021 at 10:31 PM, RobSS said:

Can we please try to keep this thread about how we can find harmony, rather than constantly looking for divisions?

 

Thanks!

The ultimate cure is to realize who we truly are, infinite consciousness - one entity and not separate entities. It is extremely rare in history that any individual has self-realized without the vehicle of suffering. As a collective there is nothing to suggest that the process is any different. Hence why we see what we call a lot f suffering which seems to be increasing. We can perceive this as negative if we zoom in on a micro level of the suffering itself, but at a macro level we could see this as a natural process for mass awakening to the truth of who we truly are.

 

This process can only be undertaken via grace and as such the cultivation of faith is paramount.

 

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by Mr H

[Truthspoon]

6 hours ago, Mr H said:

The ultimate cure is to realize who we truly are, infinite consciousness - one entity and not separate entities.  

 

 

 

That's how the Illuminati hive-mind works.

We ARE separate entities...individualisation is a great blessing.... However we all animated by the same divine principle, but this does not mean we should cease being individuals. 

 

Why do you think Communists and tyrannical movements are always so keen to remove individuality and make everyone the same?

 

Because each of us carries an innate potential for divine sovereignty if we can wake up to the divine transcendent aspect of ourselves and commune with that part of us which is of God...... 

 

There's a reason God did not make us like ants but human beings with our own minds and our own destinies to explore on the way to awareness....

 

 

Edited September 4, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Mr H]

2 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

 

That's how the Illuminati hive-mind works.

We ARE separate entities...individualisation is a great blessing.... However we all animated by the same divine principle, but this does not mean we should cease being individuals. 

 

Why do you think Communists and tyrannical movements are always so keen to remove individuality and make everyone the same?

 

Because each of us carries an innate potential for divine sovereignty if we can wake up to the divine transcendent aspect of ourselves and commune with that part of us which is of God...... 

 

There's a reason God did not make us like ants but human beings with our own minds and our own destinies to explore on the way to awareness....

 

 

In my experience there are two different perspectives on reality. The illusionary finite world and another perspective that is more aligned with truth. 

 

In the former, it does seem like you say that we are individuals. That we have control of this entity and as such we must do the best that we can. This includes fighting evil which may come in the form of communism which does no good to the whole. 

 

However, if I dig a little deeper and it is very subtle into my experience, I can soon realise that their is no separate individuated chooser called MR H. It is just a dream. And I check that with my experience. Even from the perspective of a finite mind, it's easy to see that out of the billions of functions of the body, I don't appear to have any control of them. Out of the odd few that I think I can control - these come from thoughts. When I look and experience where thoughts come from it becomes obvious that I as a separate individual do not choose them. They just appear from somewhere a placeless place. Indeed, I suggest that if we think we do choose our thoughts, then lets just think happy loving thoughts 100% of the time if this is indeed true and that would solve all the world's problems in 1 swoop.

 

Does what I say in the latter mean we should not take right action and go along with the dream when we face evil? No that is not what I am saying. We live in the dream state and we must play the game accordingly in loving service of each other. I am just saying that if you so choose to dig slightly deeper into experience and strip away the finite mind and body what is left is consciousness and we all share the same consciousness and when acknowledged - this permeates down out into direct experience as individuals in the dream world.

Edited September 4, 2021 by Mr H

[RobSS]

In the preface of the "Great Divorce", C. S. Lewis had some interesting things to say about earth and what he called the "the High Countries":
 

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Blake wrote "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell". If I have written of their Divorce, this is not because I think myself a fit antagonist for so great a genius, nor even because I feel at all sure that I know what he meant. But in some sense or other the attempt to make that marriage is perennial. The attempt is based on the belief that reality never presents us with an absolutely unavoidable "either-or"; that, granted skill and patience and (above all) time enough, some way of embracing both alternatives can always be found; that mere development or adjustment or refinement will somehow turn evil into good without our being called on for a final and total rejection of anything we should like to retain.

 

This belief I take to be a disastrous error. You cannot take all luggage with you on all journeys; on one journey even your right hand and your right eye may be among the things you have to leave behind. We are not living in a world where all roads are radii of a circle and where all, if followed long enough, will therefore draw gradually nearer and finally meet at the centre: rather in a world where every road, after a few miles, forks into two, and each of those into two again, and at each fork you must make a decision.

 

Even on the biological level life is not like a pool but like a tree. It does not move towards unity but away from it and the creatures grow further apart as they increase in perfection. Good, as it ripens, becomes continually more different not only from evil but from other good.

 

I do not think that all who choose wrong roads perish; but their rescue consists in being put back on the right road. A wrong sum can be put right: but only by going back till you find the error and working it afresh from that point, never by simply going on. Evil can be undone, but it cannot "develop" into good. Time does not heal it. The spell must be unwound, bit by bit, "with backward mutters of dissevering power"-or else not. It is still "either-or."

 

If we insist on keeping Hell (or even earth) we shall not see Heaven: if we accept Heaven we shall not be able to retain even the smallest and most intimate souvenirs of Hell. I believe, to be sure, that any man who reaches Heaven will find that what he abandoned (even in plucking out his right eye) was precisely nothing: that the kernel of what he was really seeking even in his most depraved wishes will be there, beyond expectation, waiting for him in "the High Countries".

 

In that sense it will be true for those who have completed the journey (and for no others) to say that good is everything and Heaven everywhere. But we, at this end of the road, must not try to anticipate that retrospective vision. If we do, we are likely to embrace the false and disastrous converse and fancy that everything is good and everywhere is Heaven.

 

But what, you ask, of earth? Earth, I think, will not be found by anyone to be in the end a very distinct place. I think earth, if chosen instead of Heaven, will turn out to have been, all along, only a region in Hell: and earth, if put second to Heaven, to have been from the beginning a part of Heaven itself.

 

There are only two things more to be said about this small book. Firstly, I must acknowledge my debt to a writer whose name I have forgotten and whom I read several years ago in a highly coloured American magazine of what they call "Scientifiction." The unbendable and unbreakable quality of my heavenly matter was suggested to me by him, though he used the fancy for a different and most ingenious purpose. His hero travelled into the past: and there, very properly, found raindrops that would pierce him like bullets and sandwiches that no strength could bite-because, of course, nothing in the past can be altered. I, with less originality but (I hope) equal propriety, have transferred this to the eternal. If the writer of that story ever reads these lines I hope he will accept my grateful acknowledgment.

 

The second thing is this. I beg readers to remember that this is a fantasy. It has of course - or I intended it to have - a moral. But the transmortal conditions are solely an imaginative supposal: they are not even a guess or a speculation at what may actually await us. The last thing I wish is to arouse factual curiosity about the details of the after-world.

 

C. S. LEWIS
April, 1945

 

 

 

[RobSS]

In "Mere Christianity", C. S. Lewis wrote:

 

"Your real, new self (which is Christ's and also yours, and yours just because it is His) will not come as long as you are looking for it. It will come when you are looking for Him. Does that sound strange? The same principle holds, you know, for more everyday matters.

 

Even in social life, you will never make a good impression on other people until you stop thinking about what sort of impression you are making.

 

Even in literature and art, no man who bothers about originality will ever be original, whereas if you simply try to tell the truth (without caring two pence how often it has been told before) you will, nine times out of ten, become original without ever having noticed it.

 

The principle runs through all life from top to bottom... Give up yourself, and you will find your real self. Lose your life and you will save it. Submit to death - death of your ambitions and favourite wishes every day and death of your whole body in the end - submit with every fibre of your being, and you will find eternal life.

 

Keep back nothing. Nothing that you have not given away will be really yours. Nothing in you that has not died will ever be raised from the dead.

 

Look for yourself, and you will find in the long run only hatred, loneliness, despair, rage, ruin, and decay. But look for Christ and you will find Him, and with Him everything else thrown in."

 

[Saved]

2 hours ago, RobSS said:

In "Mere Christianity", C. S. Lewis wrote:

 

"Your real, new self (which is Christ's and also yours, and yours just because it is His) will not come as long as you are looking for it. It will come when you are looking for Him. Does that sound strange? The same principle holds, you know, for more everyday matters.

 

Even in social life, you will never make a good impression on other people until you stop thinking about what sort of impression you are making.

 

Even in literature and art, no man who bothers about originality will ever be original, whereas if you simply try to tell the truth (without caring two pence how often it has been told before) you will, nine times out of ten, become original without ever having noticed it.

 

The principle runs through all life from top to bottom... Give up yourself, and you will find your real self. Lose your life and you will save it. Submit to death - death of your ambitions and favourite wishes every day and death of your whole body in the end - submit with every fibre of your being, and you will find eternal life.

 

Keep back nothing. Nothing that you have not given away will be really yours. Nothing in you that has not died will ever be raised from the dead.

 

Look for yourself, and you will find in the long run only hatred, loneliness, despair, rage, ruin, and decay. But look for Christ and you will find Him, and with Him everything else thrown in."

 

In my experience, exactly this. 

[Macnamara]

On 8/27/2021 at 12:00 AM, Macnamara said:

when i look into the future i see a fast moving and rapidly widening shit storm coming to engulf us all

you could say it is the perfect storm because it is made up of a whole bunch of converging problems

when i turn to my fellow man and ask them 'hey guys what do you think of that approaching shit storm' all i see is this:

 

 

Soaring bills, empty shelves, used cars that cost MORE than new ones and NO toys for Christmas - how UK faces being crippled by 'perfect storm' of Covid, Brexit and soaring gas prices that will leave families thousands of pounds poorer

• Shelves have been left bare in recent weeks due to a lack of lorry drivers plus the effects of the 'pingdemic'
• But the food supply chain faces a new challenge, with commercial carbon dioxide production shutting down
•  Bosses said ministers and supermarket giants were only now appreciating the knock-on effects of the crisis
• It comes as millions of households face an increased cost of living, potentially of around £1,500 more a year 

By Tom Pyman For Mailonline

Published: 12:24 BST, 18 September 2021 | Updated: 16:50 BST, 18 September 2021

Millions of families are facing a 'perfect storm' of empty supermarket shelves and an imminent hike in the cost of living of around £1,500 a year, it emerged today.

A shortage of toys ahead of Christmas and soaring costs of used cars - to the extent that some are now more expensive than new models - is also contributing to what is set to be a difficult end to the year for many households.

Brexit, increased gas prices and the Covid pandemic have all contributed to the crisis, which will leave families substantially out of pocket over the coming months.  

A lack of lorry drivers in recent weeks, along with the effects of the 'pingdemic' earlier in the year, has seen many shelves left bare, but now the food supply chain is up against a new challenge, after rising gas prices forced much of the country's commercial production of carbon dioxide to shut down.

The industry describes the gas as being fundamental to producing and transporting supermarket staples like bread and meat, as well as beer and fizzy drinks.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10003883/UK-faces-crippled-perfect-storm-Covid-Brexit-soaring-gas-prices.html

[whatthefoxhat]

5 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

Soaring bills, empty shelves, used cars that cost MORE than new ones and NO toys for Christmas - how UK faces being crippled by 'perfect storm' of Covid, Brexit and soaring gas prices that will leave families thousands of pounds poorer

• Shelves have been left bare in recent weeks due to a lack of lorry drivers plus the effects of the 'pingdemic'
• But the food supply chain faces a new challenge, with commercial carbon dioxide production shutting down
•  Bosses said ministers and supermarket giants were only now appreciating the knock-on effects of the crisis
• It comes as millions of households face an increased cost of living, potentially of around £1,500 more a year 

By Tom Pyman For Mailonline

Published: 12:24 BST, 18 September 2021 | Updated: 16:50 BST, 18 September 2021

Millions of families are facing a 'perfect storm' of empty supermarket shelves and an imminent hike in the cost of living of around £1,500 a year, it emerged today.

A shortage of toys ahead of Christmas and soaring costs of used cars - to the extent that some are now more expensive than new models - is also contributing to what is set to be a difficult end to the year for many households.

Brexit, increased gas prices and the Covid pandemic have all contributed to the crisis, which will leave families substantially out of pocket over the coming months.  

A lack of lorry drivers in recent weeks, along with the effects of the 'pingdemic' earlier in the year, has seen many shelves left bare, but now the food supply chain is up against a new challenge, after rising gas prices forced much of the country's commercial production of carbon dioxide to shut down.

The industry describes the gas as being fundamental to producing and transporting supermarket staples like bread and meat, as well as beer and fizzy drinks.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10003883/UK-faces-crippled-perfect-storm-Covid-Brexit-soaring-gas-prices.html

Food shortages,cost of living increases of 30 quid a week ,luxury items like kids toys restricted,increased fuel prices,lack of lorry drivers caused by pingdemic AND pandemic measures both government orchestrated,used vehicles priced out of range leaving no option but hybrids/electrics lack of Co2 (thought we had a glut of it? ) staples like bread and meat restricted same with staples (for some people these are essentials) like beer and fizzy drinks which probably points to giants like molson coors and cocacola being hit hard in the uk,alcohol dulls the pain so its an alternative medicine so restrict it

 

Merry christmas you will eat nothing and exchange nothing and you wont be driving anywhere to exchange nothings either

 

SNAFUBAR

 

Thats how that reads to me

ymmv

[bamboozooka]

everything i order from iceland (the shop not the country) every week is complete with no missing items.

i went in there the other day. choc a bloc the shelves were.

how confident are we the fake news media are showing film sets of empty shelves to try to create panic.