Effective Self Defence

[JONJAY79]

The fence many years ago is something alot of us used as Doormen not to sure if any of it is used now but back in the 90s it was common in some parts of the UK. 

Still has lots of merit. 

 

 

[ManxCat3]

On 7/31/2021 at 9:49 PM, Shining-one said:

So far I kept this quiet but have been training for some time since the lockdowns started. The idea is simple and basic: Things could escalate in a number of ways, from crime waves to attempts at forced isolation.
Part of the reason this mess started is we have an apathetic and often physically under par population. A submissive, subdued population is a sure invitation to the wolves.
There are many non lethal ways to defend your life and person. It's also an obligation.
I always figured the shrewdest self defence is to run faster and harder than your attacker (or attackers). It simply puts a distance between yourself and any threat. First step then is physical fitness and mobility.
Martial arts teaches strong- mindedness which is even more important. Not to be afraid or negative.
So, take your pic.
Karate
Boxing
Kung Fu
Judo - Ju Jitsu
Thai Boxing
Jeet Kune Do
The Shaolin monks lived under various threats but trained in effective defence. They were very peaceful but very well trained.


 

I like Nick Drossos channel, whatever u do don't ever punch, he teaches hammer fists and palm strikes. He doesnt look sccary at all but id never mess with him after what ive seen.

[ManxCat3]

On 8/3/2021 at 5:00 PM, Mr H said:

I think this covers most scenarios you'll likely face.

 

Hes an extremely violent man, hes known for rupturing people's livers on purpose.

[webtrekker]

Of course, everything depends on who your opponent is. If your opponent is a copper with a Taser then all of your self defence training goes out the window.

[Shining-one]

A bit provocative perhaps but, even though I admire traditional martial arts, I think a 21 year old Mike Tyson would demolish "most" karate or kung fu black belts. Same applies to George Foreman who used to leave dents in the heavy bag.
The way I see it is Tyson trained very close in and was used to getting hit. Ali, in fact, allowed sparring partners to pummel him on the ropes. Conditioning in boxing also was designed to sustain real impact.
Very often in Karate and Kung Fu the sensei is very mobile, skilled and fast but there seems to be a lack of real-time impact. Worse still is the rigid, systematic sequences of strike and block. Works against an average puncher but Tyson threw deadly, lightning combination. What I say probably doesn't relate to all martial arts but I often pick up on the notion Karate was a kind of Japanese unarmed combat regime. A bit like marines training with drills and so forth.
It seems Bruce Lee picked up on this issue and became inspired by Muhammad Ali's footwork and adaptability. Lee ditched fixed stances and started to bounce on his feet as he kicked a heavy bag. Last week I rewatched Ali vs Liston and Ali back then was impossible to hit. Reactions were so fast he could move around punches. In Karate you block but maybe not so effective against a Tyson hook as it was too fast to see coming.

[Shining-one]

You can see how Ali here just couldn't be hit as he keeps weaving and moving back. This was an alternative to standard blocks, which creates a closer space. 

[Humanexperiment]

I'm a blue belt in jiu jitsu and I can tell you that learning how to take someone down and choke a dude is truly invaluable and affective against most people 

[Apotheosis]

Effective self-defence? Join an MMA gym that hasn't been gentrified and supplement it with combatives classes that do self-protection theory, stress innoculation, weapon defense, dirty fighting and scenario training, like Lee Morrison's Urban Combatives. If you live somewhere where it's legal, obviously do tactical training and purchase a firearm.

[Shining-one]

 

This is an oldish video no longer on Google but I found it on yandex search engine. Koden Kan roundhouse kick.This link should load after a few seconds. This girl is in pretty good shape.

https://yandex.ru/video/pad/search?filmId=15832267270971330404&path=wizard&text=koden kan roundhouse kick video&wiz_type=v4thumbs

Edited August 11, 2021 by Shining-one

[Shining-one]

I wouldn't have her flexibility and balance. Years doing weights makes you less supple. 

[webtrekker]

On 8/8/2021 at 10:56 PM, Shining-one said:

A bit provocative perhaps but, even though I admire traditional martial arts, I think a 21 year old Mike Tyson would demolish "most" karate or kung fu black belts. Same applies to George Foreman who used to leave dents in the heavy bag.
The way I see it is Tyson trained very close in and was used to getting hit. Ali, in fact, allowed sparring partners to pummel him on the ropes. Conditioning in boxing also was designed to sustain real impact.
Very often in Karate and Kung Fu the sensei is very mobile, skilled and fast but there seems to be a lack of real-time impact. Worse still is the rigid, systematic sequences of strike and block. Works against an average puncher but Tyson threw deadly, lightning combination. What I say probably doesn't relate to all martial arts but I often pick up on the notion Karate was a kind of Japanese unarmed combat regime. A bit like marines training with drills and so forth.
It seems Bruce Lee picked up on this issue and became inspired by Muhammad Ali's footwork and adaptability. Lee ditched fixed stances and started to bounce on his feet as he kicked a heavy bag. Last week I rewatched Ali vs Liston and Ali back then was impossible to hit. Reactions were so fast he could move around punches. In Karate you block but maybe not so effective against a Tyson hook as it was too fast to see coming.

 

You make some good points, but karate isn't always about blocking and punching.

 

Take the Wado Ryu 'deflection punch' for instance, where the outgoing punch itself deflects the incoming punch before landing in the opponent's face. Extremely fast and efficient as no time is wasted on the block.

 

However, I believe in studying all forms of defence. I know acupuncture points that can be used very effectively to cause severe pain. Also, at a young age (16), I was on our local Air Cadets Unarmed Combat Display Team which taught me some very different techniques to those I later learned from karate.

 

 

 

[JONJAY79]

On 8/10/2021 at 5:30 AM, Humanexperiment said:

I'm a blue belt in jiu jitsu and I can tell you that learning how to take someone down and choke a dude is truly invaluable and affective against most people 

 

 

Shark tanks in bjj can also be great for mental and physical stamina. 

[Cornelius]

Most attackers are not trained fighters or even good fighters, many prefer to attack the weak and defenceless and thus I've found a strong confident attitude, when dealing with potentially violent people, can be your best initial defence against a situation becoming violent.

 

As for other situations, weapons are of course extremely useful. In the UK it is illegal to carry any weapon for self-defence which leaves illegal weapons in the hands of criminals, however with the humble Cane (walking stick) and a little training one is quite able to defend oneself and without close contact.

 

[Shining-one]

A few older members may recall the 1970s saw a wave of Kung Fu popularity. The TV series Kung Fu had a big impact and, in fact, I have the dvd boxsets. This used slow motion for the fight sequences, with David Carradine in the main role. Kung Fu and Karate then got very big. Enter The Dragon was a hit and then Chuck Norris started as an action hero, doing martial arts movies. I think it got exaggerated though and so martial arts were assumed to make you unbeatable.

[Shining-one]

Still loads of jokes out there about Chuck Norris. I always thought he had a really superb roundhouse kick. He used it in his early movies. Some of those are now forgotten but check out Silent Rage or The Octagon.
Karate Kid was "the film" of the 1980s, I thought. Where the kid is bullied after moving to California so an old Japanese man teaches him Karate.

[TetraG]

Apparently there is a TV series remake(?) or something based around the Karate Kid and Cobra Kai from what I heard on the radio in the last week or so....

 

and YES, here we are The fifth season of Cobra Kai was released to Netflix on September 9, 2022.

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/news/cobra-kai-season-5-netflix-release-date-everything-we-know-so-far-09-2022/

 

Pffft... I don't really care^^^ to see it (DRAMA< ugh!!), especially when I have nooo TV anyway., but just pointing out as a matter of culture ... MORE IMPORTANTLY I wanted to CONTINUE this thread in compliments to the recently other rekindled MARTIAL ARTS thread here, so there everybody, now you have a choice of two threads on DI to contribute toward (along the themes of that and this SELF DEFENCE thread (Which is of course similar) but I am hoping the MARTIAL ART thread might prove to offer more spiritual or technical knowhow and be less about FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT mentality WHICH TO MY MIND DISTRACTS FROM TRAINING IN SOME WAYS (ie, training to fight is not exactly my forte or priority mission as such, so I like Martial Arts for Martial Art sakes), anyway we HAVE 2 threads~ take your pick as you will!....

 

A little Tip:
I guess it comes down to **personal discretion** which thread you find most appropriate for whatever you are posting in each. ("each" rather than both, I'd say, perhaps being best, otherwise we could get duplicate info, resulting in boring repeats....So I'd like to encourage making each of the two threads a wee bit different in content and "general givings" of insights if that's ok with all other posters whom of course equally have a say in this). 

Edited November 5, 2022 by TetraG

[Morpheus]

Effective self-defense is don't get into a fight, full stop. Fighting is dangerous, especially uncontrolled street fighting where there are no rules. 

 

Best advice, avoid at all costs. For all the martial artists here, I'd love to see some of attempt some of that in a real fight because guess what, you cannot account for the unpredictability of your opponent. 

 

Bear in mind, said opponent/s aren't going to wait and allow to put them in a lock or throw (unless you really are at an extremely high level of martial arts) so half of what you know is useless in an actual fight. 

 

The reality is, 3-4 people can easily over power and kick the fuck out of you, take it from someone who had a black belt at aged 11. It doesn't mean shit in the real world. The only advantage is striking and doing it correctly. Other than that, always avoid the fight, walk away, you're not a coward for doing so, you're smart.

 

As for the ki talk in here, give me a break. Unless you want to smash slate/metal bars over your head or chop wood with your bare hands, then the reality is simple breathing techniques are what will be more than sufficient in these scenarios. No one's going to be available to teach how to be a shaolin monk. 

 

Anyone who has done boxing/martial arts of some description are taught how to breath as you strike and move. In through the nose and out through the mouth. Simples. 

[Beaujangles]

Bear / dog / coyote spray and Mace may be handy on occasion too. Nice and light, keep in pocket. ;-)

Edited November 5, 2022 by Beaujangles

[factJack]

one could also consider steel toe cap footwear or more specifically PU toe cap. You can get some really comfy light PU toe cap safety trainers. kick them in the bollocks

[TetraG]

9 hours ago, Morpheus said:

As for the ki talk in here, give me a break.

 

It was already a break at the very moment I started to mention.... Why it was so I felt like mentioning though is can't a person however even take A MOMENT to note TV history, classic or not (however corny or worse cringeworthy something maybe to watch), even after several years/ decades since the predecessor film(s)/ series?... BESIDES~ I've not seen any of this NEW revamped series now, like I said I don't care much about it really if at all what goes on the box. It was just anecdotal really for culture sakes, not to take serious lessons from the nutcase things you see on TV.

 

Your post was good though. Good advice.... and yeah you're right, WHO IS going to be available to teach us how to be a Shaolin Monk. unless we go see one personally at a specialist school. I've never been to one. Best I can do is ONLINE.

Edited November 5, 2022 by TetraG

[Morpheus]

1 minute ago, TetraG said:

 

It was already a break at the very moment I started to mention.... Why it was so I felt like mentioning though is can't a person however even take A MOMENT note of history (however corny or worse cringeworthy something maybe to watch), even after several years/ decades since the predecessor film(s)/ series? BESIDES~ I've not seen any of this series now, like I said I don't care much about it really if at all what goes on the box. It was just anecdotal really for culture sakes, not to take serious lessons from the nutcase things you see on TV.

I love martial arts, it's history is fascinating, the discipline, the physical exercise, the technique, everything. Love the king fu movies etc. But you ain't going to be floating on water like in crouching Tiger, hidden dragon by doing some breathing exercises. Obviously, using ones breath correctly in combat is extremely important, but I think this idea of superhuman strength is a little exaggerated, that's all. 

[TetraG]

8 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

but I think this idea of superhuman strength is a little exaggerated, that's all. 

 

Well yeah. I dare not say which films are the worst for that. I am not really qualified by having seen enough movies but I can easily guess the obvious when looking at Chinese flicks/ movies.  It's pure theatre of course some of the stuff.

 

Breath is one I focus on the most willingly to achieve anything close to that. I love the whole thing of breath work.  I am no pro though. I am what I am which is me alone until getting the chance to meet other martial art interesting people.  

Edited November 5, 2022 by TetraG

[webtrekker]

On 8/12/2021 at 2:06 PM, Cornelius said:

Most attackers are not trained fighters or even good fighters, many prefer to attack the weak and defenceless and thus I've found a strong confident attitude, when dealing with potentially violent people, can be your best initial defence against a situation becoming violent.

 

As for other situations, weapons are of course extremely useful. In the UK it is illegal to carry any weapon for self-defence which leaves illegal weapons in the hands of criminals, however with the humble Cane (walking stick) and a little training one is quite able to defend oneself and without close contact.

 

 

Be very wary of carrying anything that can be used as a weapon unless you are supremely confident in the use of such a weapon because, unless you are practised and confident, then the weapon may easily be taken from you amd used against YOU!

 

This has often happened with burglaries, where the home owner has been woken up in the middle of the night, is drowsy and afraid, and grabs a baseball bat, kitchen knife, whatever, only to end up having it turned against themselves in the resulting scuffle.

 

 

 

[DaleP]

People have talked about defending your home when SHTF....