Effective Self Defence

[Shining-one]

So far I kept this quiet but have been training for some time since the lockdowns started. The idea is simple and basic: Things could escalate in a number of ways, from crime waves to attempts at forced isolation.
Part of the reason this mess started is we have an apathetic and often physically under par population. A submissive, subdued population is a sure invitation to the wolves.
There are many non lethal ways to defend your life and person. It's also an obligation.
I always figured the shrewdest self defence is to run faster and harder than your attacker (or attackers). It simply puts a distance between yourself and any threat. First step then is physical fitness and mobility.
Martial arts teaches strong- mindedness which is even more important. Not to be afraid or negative.
So, take your pic.
Karate
Boxing
Kung Fu
Judo - Ju Jitsu
Thai Boxing
Jeet Kune Do
The Shaolin monks lived under various threats but trained in effective defence. They were very peaceful but very well trained.

[Mikheil]

9 hours ago, Shining-one said:

So far I kept this quiet but have been training for some time since the lockdowns started. The idea is simple and basic: Things could escalate in a number of ways, from crime waves to attempts at forced isolation.
Part of the reason this mess started is we have an apathetic and often physically under par population. A submissive, subdued population is a sure invitation to the wolves.
There are many non lethal ways to defend your life and person. It's also an obligation.
I always figured the shrewdest self defence is to run faster and harder than your attacker (or attackers). It simply puts a distance between yourself and any threat. First step then is physical fitness and mobility.
Martial arts teaches strong- mindedness which is even more important. Not to be afraid or negative.
So, take your pic.
Karate
Boxing
Kung Fu
Judo - Ju Jitsu
Thai Boxing
Jeet Kune Do
The Shaolin monks lived under various threats but trained in effective defence. They were very peaceful but very well trained.


 

You have a problem. Today, 90% of these 'schools' are FAKE. They are run by people who have a 'variant' (they say a better one) of the original. What they did, is find the REAL martial art far too difficult to get a REAL Black Belt, so the form a new 'variant', give themselves and a few friends a Black Belt (self appointed) and start a school.

 

I've been to several over here. In the one Aikido Club, I had to run outside to prevent myself from howling with laughter. There were 6 Adult 'Black Belts' on the mat, and a 12 year old Stephen Seagal trained kid, would have made them all look stupid. What they were teaching was a fucking JOKE

 

I wonder if there are ANY REAL clubs for ANY Martial art now, outside of Japan, China or Korea. 

 

Don't waste your time or money. When I see an 'instructor' trying to teach a student a technique whilst wildly off balance with ZERO knowledge of Ki, breathing or the tanden, WALK AWAY! It's akin to buying a replica gun and waving it at an attacker or an ornamental Katana. Same effect ZERO

[Shining-one]

It's about conditioning. Not years doing grades. You take what's necessary. In case of standard karate, I'd back a decent boxer, due to the actual contact and conditioning. Having said that some Shaolin monks did serious conditioning to rival any marines program. Practically boxing and judo would go well together but conditioning is always a plus. Many martial arts are more sport orientated but do increase fitness.

[Shining-one]

Personally I dislike violence and conflict. I try to rely on being street-wise, which led me to be wary of these vaccines, in the first place. It simply doesn't add up. The amount of fear generated doesn't tally with the reality of the threat - this is not leprosy or a cancer.
I don't rule out that some countries might force these vaccines. There has been pressure in Russia to demand vaccines for everybody. Here, in the UK, I think choking off of citizen rights will be the approach (by stealth).
The point of my post I guess is the simple fact there have always been wars, famines, plagues and occupations. In Chile there were disappearances under Pinochet. We always become victims if we become passive, afraid, negative and unprepared. Those, for that matter, who were forced onto trains in Poland in 1939 were totally caught off guard. How many died?
Here, what I refer to is any direct threat to life and liberty. Being prepared to adapt to social isolation. In some countries, possibly attempts to quarantine non vaccinated people. In the USSR under Brezhnev some dissidents were confined in asylums and drugged as schizophrenics.
You can become apathetic and assume things won't revert to WW2, but sadly that kind of stability is proven by history to be short lived.
Any half-decent boxing, martial arts program will increase fitness, positive attitude and self-esteem. I'm not suggesting we can be as Chuck Norris and kick ass, as the bad guys attempt forced pronging. I guess it's about learning not to think like a victim or be a victim.

[Mikheil]

First, only Judo was meant to be a sport. If you could get hold of movies of Judo in the 1950s and 60s and compare it with today's judo, you would be shocked. NO resemblance whatsoever. Judo today is wrestling with clothes on and that's all.

 

The biggest difference between REAL martial art and "modern" (fake) martial art is Ki and breathing. Without learning these, it isn't a martial art, it's glorified street fighting.

 

What is Ki?

 

Through modern science we learn that every element of this universe we inhabit is in motion, from the smallest subatomic particle to the largest planet. This motion is fueled by a constant, unceasing energy. Science has no defined name for it. In Asia, since ancient times, this energy has been known as Ki, Chi or Qi.

Ki, flows through everything, animal, vegetable or mineral. It is a is a universal energy. We humans have the ability to tap into it consciously, through prescribed methods. Ki is a part of nature itself. Aikido is harmonizing with nature.

Ki is not related to the personal strength of a person. Ki can, however, be isolated and put to use by anyone.

Unlike muscles, Ki can't be developed like a muscle. Development of your ability to utilize Ki comes through refining your mental clarity and your understanding of the way this universal energy flows through your body. The first step is believing that Ki exists a thing which a great many westerners are unable and unwilling to do.

There is no way to store Ki in your body. You can harness it. but you can't capture it, it can be consciously received, focused, and isolated, thereby bringing it into the realm of personal usage when the physical or mental need arises.

Examples of 'accidental' Ki are many. A person who would have a better chance of growing wings and taking flight rather than being able to lift a four hundred pound barbell, manages to lift a 450 pound piece of metal that has fallen on a child or a loved one. Acts of extreme strength in moments of rage or terror have all been recorded. Through the practice of Ki development exercises, a person can learn how to harness this energy, which is in abundant supply throughout the universe, and channel it into yourself to be used in times of need.

Ki was first described in a text created in China in the third century BC called The Yellow Emperor's Classic of Internal Medicine (Nei Ching). It was the first document to describe how Ki energy enters, flows through, and then exits the human body. From China this knowledge was passed down to Korea and Japan. Westerners scoff at Ki and Acupuncture and call it mumbo-jumbo

Over the past several centuries, the practice of Ki has been utilized mostly by acupuncturists, acupressurists, and martial artists. Through daily training anyone can develop their Ki energy and improve their health.

As martial artists we use this Ki to balance our internal energy and keep us healthy. We can also use that energy to put into techniques and therefore achieve a tremendous amount of power. To many Westerners, they are unable to believe and equate Ki with magic or trickery.

These same people believe in a supreme being that lurks in the heavens, watching the antics of the 8 billion ants called people, faithfully recording their every sin and yet refuse to believe that Martial Arts Masters can smash bone with their bare fists or cut a man from his left shoulder to his right hip with a single blow from a katana. They refuse to believe that the insertion of fine needles into various parts of the human body can relieve pain or cure disease. The strangest thing is that they believe in a God they cannot see and yet refuse to believe things they CAN see because their mind refutes it so much, that they call it fakery.

 

Have you ever been to a martial arts club where the word Ki or breathing is mentioned?

 

They do exist, but VERY difficult and in many countries, impossible to find.

 

[Mikheil]

In the words of my Sensei, MANY years ago.

 

"When you go into battle, don't think of death. Don't be afraid of death. Only be afraid of the shame of defeat."

 

"Evaluate the situation. First take out the corners. Strike with all your body, all your strength, and above all, with all your mind. Don’t strike at the object, strike through it."

 

By taking out the corners he explained that if the assailant is right-handed, take out the right shoulder first. If left-handed, take out the left. If you have the ki power, go for the hips if not go for knees or feet. A REAL karate master can shatter your shoulder / collar bone with a single blow. 

 

I saw Koichi Tohei sit on a three-legged stool and defy a bunch of policemen to push him off. They were spectacularly unsuccessful. If you watch REAL Aikido it looks so very simple. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WRC_u_e3jM

 

Try to execute any of these simple moves with someone stronger than you, and YOU WILL FAIL. Only Ki will allow you to succeed. How long does it take? Several years and no-one can be bothered. You must have INSTANT results. THAT is why all the clubs are FAKE!

[CosmoGenesis]

Effective Self Defence

 

[CosmoGenesis]

I can be non lethal about it too.....only shoot at the leg if they are a danger to me 

[Ethel]

Krav Maga

 

 

[Mikheil]

4 hours ago, CosmoGenesis said:

I can be non lethal about it too.....only shoot at the leg if they are a danger to me 

NO. When you point a loaded weapon at someone. you aim to destroy them. To be able to actually hit a moving target in the leg, you would need to spend hundreds of hours on the range and shoot off thousands of rounds of ammo.

 

When you squeeze that trigger, you aim for a double-tap. First shot Heart, second shot head.

 

We used to practice an exercise called "El Presidente". It was based on an actual event. The shooter stands 10 feet away, with his back to 4 head and shoulders range targets. On the range officers whistle, he turns and draws his piece (you cannot point it anywhere except towards the targets - range safety). The shooter then fires 2 shots (double-tap) into each target, going from left to right. He then changes magazine and fires 2 shots into each target a second time going back from right to left. That's 16 shots. My best time was 10 seconds. The range champion could do it in 6 seconds.

 

I had a video and it showed the magazine still in the air, hadn't reached to ground yet, and the shooter was clearing the last target.

 

Have you any idea how many hours of practice that takes? Have you any idea how many thousand rounds of Ammo?

Edited August 2, 2021 by Mikheil

[Mikheil]

7 minutes ago, Ethel said:

Krav Maga

 

 

I have ALL the Spetsnaz training videos. If anyone wants them. They're not bad, but you can see that the trainer is using Ki. The moves are good, but without correct diaphragm breathing and Ki (by any other name would smell as sweet), they aren't fully effective

[Chubby Rain]

I'm a yellow belt in tae kwon do

[Shining-one]

I'm a fan of Bruce Lee. Bruce had an early grasp of how to discard what's not direct. I have footage of Bruce watching the American Karate tournaments in despair. No contact at all and very rigid. Bruce was teaching his students to progress pretty quickly and mixed a lot of styles together.
Still, any martial art purely as a sport still gets you fit. Just being mobile and active is a big plus. Suggestions:
Wing Chun
Tai Kwon Do
Tang Soo Do
Kung Fu
Jeet Kune Do
Kickboxing
Wrestling
Boxing
Savate
Karate
Kickboxing
Judo

[Mikheil]

8 hours ago, Shining-one said:

I'm a fan of Bruce Lee. Bruce had an early grasp of how to discard what's not direct. I have footage of Bruce watching the American Karate tournaments in despair. No contact at all and very rigid. Bruce was teaching his students to progress pretty quickly and mixed a lot of styles together.
Still, any martial art purely as a sport still gets you fit. Just being mobile and active is a big plus. Suggestions:
Wing Chun
Tai Kwon Do
Tang Soo Do
Kung Fu
Jeet Kune Do
Kickboxing
Wrestling
Boxing
Savate
Karate
Kickboxing
Judo

You'll get a hell of a lot fitter if you get to the gym, or buy yourself some weights and start pushing HEAVY weights (not staying in your comfort zone to show off)

 

We had one (and I believe 95% of folks have the same attitude) guy who came 3x weekly and always used the same exercises and the same weight. I asked him if he had ever heard of Progressive Overload, he said "Yes, but if I try to use heavier weights, I might fail and people will laugh at me."

 

I guess he took the kill shot as well! There's a word for people like him - CÜNTS

[Shining-one]

Done it all. Even met Robby Robinson and Bertil Fox. Not so good in later life, however, and scores of bodybuilders died around 60. Both the Mentzers now gone and even Casey Viator.

[Mr H]

I think this covers most scenarios you'll likely face.

 

[DarianF]

On 8/1/2021 at 6:49 AM, Shining-one said:

So far I kept this quiet but have been training for some time since the lockdowns started. The idea is simple and basic: Things could escalate in a number of ways, from crime waves to attempts at forced isolation.
Part of the reason this mess started is we have an apathetic and often physically under par population. A submissive, subdued population is a sure invitation to the wolves.
There are many non lethal ways to defend your life and person. It's also an obligation.
I always figured the shrewdest self defence is to run faster and harder than your attacker (or attackers). It simply puts a distance between yourself and any threat. First step then is physical fitness and mobility.
Martial arts teaches strong- mindedness which is even more important. Not to be afraid or negative.
So, take your pic.
Karate
Boxing
Kung Fu
Judo - Ju Jitsu
Thai Boxing
Jeet Kune Do
The Shaolin monks lived under various threats but trained in effective defence. They were very peaceful but very well trained.


 

 

I put a karate black belt in a basic wrist lock once. He cried like a little bitch.

 

Keep it simple.

[Shining-one]

I was browsing forums during idle moments and you see what Bruce Lee referred to in "styles". People seek "a style", some edge that one obscure style has over others. In China there were many schools of Kung Fu, developed by some individual. Wing Chun was invented by a female with a view to compensate lesser strength.
Naturally I admire the skills some people develop. Ages ago I saw a young woman from Koden Kan Karate demonstrate her roundhouse kick, in a video. She performed it effortlessly at head height. Myself, not a prayer. Years of weights left me stiff as a board. It was the sets and reps and fixed motion.
I think for older people many martial arts may be relatively gentle on the body. The good thing is you can choose hard or soft. Eating propely, stretching and cardio all are positive for health. The bodybuilding I did tended to be hard on the joints and a lot of people ended up with health issues.

[shadowmoon]

On 8/1/2021 at 10:49 PM, Shining-one said:

Personally I dislike violence and conflict. I try to rely on being street-wise

This.

 

Awareness is such a key in most situations.  I remember being told or reading(?) of awareness being like traffic lights. 

 

Majority of people walk around on green lights totally unaware, martial arts should help you be on amber light to situations around you and red light is last resort too late.!

 

Green light thinks nothing of being drunk in the street alone at midnight walking past a group of lairy looking guys whacking clubs against their palms, amber light sees them from the distance and is ready to go the other way or run if needed.

[Shining-one]

I am that way. I notice someone will come up to you, possibly at night, and what I sense is they weigh up your victim status potential. Will this man take fright and offer no resistance? Will this woman hold onto her purse and yell for help? Or, will this be a quick and easy mobile phone theft?
Myself and two others once had to help two, very polite and well-bought-up boys who told us they'd been mugged by some other boys by the canal. Their bikes had been stolen. We called the police and their parents, to let the parents know their kids were OK. The parents were nice enough and came to pick up their kids. I stressed the kids were simply victims of an unexpected incident and, of course, they were advised to be more wary in future. As stated above, crime happens to us all, as do accidents.
Those times I was approached, I stood up straight, calm and defensive. Not confrontational but "aware". I got the impression by that any ideas of a quick mobile phone grab was abandoned. Naturally, it depends. If it was a group of Mexican bandits in Chihuahua, standing tall isn't going to ward them off. In such a case, run like hell, and if you're fit, it might save your skin.
I think real martial arts is for situations where you have a 50/50 chance and are in a corner. Even if you did Shotokan Karate as a sport, the conditioning, if nothing else, certainly isn't a negative factor. There are far more commando orientated defensive methods, of course. Such as for special forces. I guess it depends on perspective. Personally I find the spiritual, Zen approach more interesting as it's a whole lifestyle.

[Macnamara]

Fitness is probably the best thing you can equip yourself with if you have time and motivation

 

It doesn't take the years of development that a martial art requires but it will enable you to have options in a breakdown situation

[DarianF]

Hey guys. Check out this YouTube channel. Probably the best real-life analysis channel around:

 

Active Self Protection

https://www.youtube.com/c/ActiveSelfProtection/videos

 

Also see:

https://www.facebook.com/ActiveSelfProtection/

 

It's great to study real life video footage of real life incidents. A lot of the videos on YouTube are people in dojos and other controlled environments talking about what they would do if the shit really went down. It's better to just watch the shit really go down and see how messy it gets in real life.

 

John offers a great analysis/breakdown of every video.

[DarianF]

11 hours ago, shadowmoon said:

Awareness is such a key in most situations.

 

 

 

 

[Macnamara]

1 hour ago, Shining-one said:

I think real martial arts is for situations where you have a 50/50 chance and are in a corner. Even if you did Shotokan Karate as a sport, the conditioning, if nothing else, certainly isn't a negative factor.

 

you become what you do

 

if you want to prepare for striking and being struck then you need to do something where you are striking and being struck

 

mixed martial arts threw all the styles in a ring and the ones that were left standing were: boxing, muay thai and brazilian ju jitsu

 

If you look at the fighters profiles they pretty much all combine BJJ with muay thai because they teach you to grapple, clinch, to kick and punch and those disciplines all involve no nonsense sparring

Edited August 5, 2021 by Macnamara

[DarianF]

1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

you become what you do

 

if you want to prepare for striking and being struck then you need to do something where you are striking and being struck

 

mixed martial arts threw all the styles in a ring and the ones that were left standing were: boxing, muay thai and brazilian ju jitsu

 

If you look at the fighters profiles they pretty much all combine BJJ with muay thai because they teach you to grapple, clinch, to kick and punch

 

Check out this guy. Some good stuff:

 

https://www.youtube.com/c/SamirSeif/playlists

 

Check out the wrist locks, arm locks, etc. Valuable to know.