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1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:

What is their purpose, and why do they do what is shown in flat earth 'explanations'? Ie, why and how do they circle above the flat plane?

 

well its definately an intelligent design model. Theres definately a creator or creators of this existence and definately a sense that this existence is almost as physically a prison as our bodies can be conceptualised as.

 

Truman show played upon the dome and the creator and the created in a playful fantasy rendition of flat earth

 

i find the stars fascinating as we get better live images of these objects.

 

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10 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

 

well its definately an intelligent design model. Theres definately a creator or creators of this existence and definately a sense that this existence is almost as physically a prison as our bodies can be conceptualised as.

 

Truman show played upon the dome and the creator and the created in a playful fantasy rendition of flat earth

 

i find the stars fascinating as we get better live images of these objects.

 

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Well, thats all very interesting, but it doesn't answer my question of "what is the sun" and why does it behave the way that flat earthers claim it does?

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Well, thats all very interesting, but it doesn't answer my question of "what is the sun" and why does it behave the way that flat earthers claim it does?

 

 

 

To be fair you are asking

" What's the meaning of life?"

 

But heliocentrism has effectively removed the splendor of life, reducing the awe of creation to a mechanically interlocked motion. 

 

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9 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

To be fair you are asking

" What's the meaning of life?"

 

But heliocentrism has effectively removed the splendor of life, reducing the awe of creation to a mechanically interlocked motion. 

 

 

But that doesn't answer the question though?

 

As I understand things, in this 'heliocentric model', the Sun is a huge ball of electromagnetic plasma, that has various bodies, including the Earth, rotating around it, all influenced and affected by its electromagnetic properties.

 

The flat earth 'model' states that the Sun is 'something' that moves about in a circular motion above the flat earth plane, so what is the sun and why does it do this, and how?

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54 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

 

well its definately an intelligent design model. Theres definately a creator or creators of this existence and definately a sense that this existence is almost as physically a prison as our bodies can be conceptualised as.

 

Truman show played upon the dome and the creator and the created in a playful fantasy rendition of flat earth

 

i find the stars fascinating as we get better live images of these objects.

 

stars.jpg.e05a58dbe0f3b524c58beebffd7f44bc.jpg

 

Basic astronomy will tell you this is complete nonsense & why any amateur astronomer would laugh.


But we been here before, is just same shit repeated.

 

Please explain the Starlink lights in the sky in a rational as possible down to earth position if you can. lol

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As I stepped away from discussing earth in fixed physical shapes of flat or ball, I realised once more--

 

We understand so little about the sun and the moon and stars.. Why is there even a satellite moon? What is the distance of the sun, moon?

 

.. it is like we are like within the movie—'Honey I shrunk the kids'.

We are looking at things for which we have lost the vision and perspective.

 

Sun moon stars--were they 'objects' in 'God body' as symbols or icons of primordial power of elements and forces? Planetary gods?

 Then as we descend into fake realities and cheap copies of that true reality, these become weaker and weaker and we see only shadows of them. Because we have been relegated to tiny ego identifications within the 'universe' or creation.. and so our perspective shrinks as well.

 

This is a closed bubble. How far something outside is---depends on how 'low' we are in evolution—like seeing a street lamp if you are in an ant colony..

In current version, so many miles away from our perception...

In our original form, it is us..

and when we lived as giants on a true earth realm, these were super powerful bodies that were much closer, maybe?

 

The appearance of these cosmic 'objects' and their distance relative to us depends on our own evolution.


Do we even know the meaning of sun rises, sun setting, moon rises, sets..—what happens at the 'horizon' at those moments? What happens when we go to sleep? Is it merely a mechanical process? Waking and sleeping? How does Gods' creation come alive and then sleeps?

 

So.. It is easier to explain by saying that a spinning ball faces one way and then the other. For days. Then revolves this way or other for seasons.

So much simpler and so God-less and mundane. But of course, all very scientific.

 

 Instead of seeing the true magic of a cyclic creation of reality that emerges everyday for you.

Almost like the movie 'Dark City'. Almost..

 

Right now we are like characters in the movie 'Honey I shrunk the kids' and we are not in possession of the correct perspective to understand what is happening.

 

To understand how moon, sun, stars work relative to earth, one must understand the nature of these planetary objects. These are not static, physical, always the same, objects. They evolve with us. Rather how they appear reflects our own state of evolution. 

 

As David Icke said in one interview when asked what’s there is higher dimensions-He said 'it is like a soft glow, a soft light feeling, not the strong sun we feel...'

 

Likewise as we are de-evolving further into hellish realms, the appearance of these objects will change —like a dilution of the original potency of the object.

If we believe what David Icke and others say about other dimensions experiencing matter forms, energy from cosmic bodies in a different way, then that means our own evolution or de-evolution affects what we see.


The moon is the ego reflection of mind—that projects this reality. Were we the giants we were we could have created our reality through these energy nodes directly, by direct connection—but now reduced to artificial mind manipulation through media. The moon is the primordial form of water element, like plasma..


The sun is the primordial form of fire element, the activator of reaction of matter elements—

-- and the moon element the ego that projects the drama on the screen.

The interaction of the two creates a EM force field that appears as movement around the earth in its true form. That causes and defines the boundaries of the realm and this activity sustains life.

 

In our current reality we have a certain seasonal pattern of weather cycles, and even that is changing, but In another reality we may have eternal winters or one day winters, or 1 month spring and so on...or erratic like these days on the earth we experience. Because it depends on the intelligence in the elemental form of matter constituting that reality and whether it is weakening in potency due to being disturbed and being replaced by artificial copies. 

It is sad that people are so happy about Elon Musk's starlink satellites. They think that it is for their benefit. What were the pyramids used for? What were the giant temples and masonic structures and palaces were used for by the elite down the ages while the slaves lived in dismal conditions? What are they tapping into now that the energy source is becoming weaker? Why they need new ways to access elemental power and it is directed at what? Is it that they need a booster device? Or 'harvesting' something directly?

 

Over the hundreds of years when the nature of man has changed in elemental form—to trans-human--the planets we see will have changed as well in appearance and perception—and then will be like 'dead rocks' even if we reach them-..maybe for mining something or for another useless science project.

 

Otherwise the only way to cross beyond our barrier to real space and see what is truly there one needs to leave the physical senses behind or 'die' to this reality—like in the movie 2001 space odyssey

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45 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Well, thats all very interesting, but it doesn't answer my question of "what is the sun" and why does it behave the way that flat earthers claim it does?

 

 

 

You are asking how does the sun & moon sit there under the dome in a non vacuum, under their own weight & move?

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Basic astronomy will tell you this is complete nonsense & why any amateur astronomer would laugh.


But we been here before, is just same shit repeated.

 

Please explain the Starlink lights in the sky in a rational as possible down to earth position if you can. lol

oh come on , a natural phenomenon being hijacked by clever architects is not a difficult puzzle to unravel

 

this is how they operate.

 

weve all heard how the Wizard would forsee a great dragon in the sky or how the Sage would warn the people the Sun shall die because of the peoples actions and they should do as he says

 

now its soo technocratic ... Elon Musk purchases the right the claim the 'starlink' phenomenon as his own.

These people are ego maniacs

 

 

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3 minutes ago, m754 said:

As I stepped away from discussing earth in fixed physical shapes of flat or ball, I realised once more--

 

We understand so little about the sun and the moon and stars.. Why is there even a satellite moon? What is the distance of the sun, moon?

 

.. it is like we are like within the movie—'Honey I shrunk the kids'.

We are looking at things for which we have lost the vision and perspective.

 

Sun moon stars--were they 'objects' in 'God body' as symbols or icons of primordial power of elements and forces? Planetary gods?

 Then as we descend into fake realities and cheap copies of that true reality, these become weaker and weaker and we see only shadows of them. Because we have been relegated to tiny ego identifications within the 'universe' or creation.. and so our perspective shrinks as well.

 

This is a closed bubble. How far something outside is---depends on how 'low' we are in evolution—like seeing a street lamp if you are in an ant colony..

In current version, so many miles away from our perception...

In our original form, it is us..

and when we lived as giants on a true earth realm, these were super powerful bodies that were much closer, maybe?

 

The appearance of these cosmic 'objects' and their distance relative to us depends on our own evolution.


Do we even know the meaning of sun rises, sun setting, moon rises, sets..—what happens at the 'horizon' at those moments? What happens when we go to sleep? Is it merely a mechanical process? Waking and sleeping? How does Gods' creation come alive and then sleeps?

 

So.. It is easier to explain by saying that a spinning ball faces one way and then the other. For days. Then revolves this way or other for seasons.

So much simpler and so God-less and mundane. But of course, all very scientific.

 

 Instead of seeing the true magic of a cyclic creation of reality that emerges everyday for you.

Almost like the movie 'Dark City'. Almost..

 

Right now we are like characters in the movie 'Honey I shrunk the kids' and we are not in possession of the correct perspective to understand what is happening.

 

To understand how moon, sun, stars work relative to earth, one must understand the nature of these planetary objects. These are not static, physical, always the same, objects. They evolve with us. Rather how they appear reflects our own state of evolution. 

 

As David Icke said in one interview when asked what’s there is higher dimensions-He said 'it is like a soft glow, a soft light feeling, not the strong sun we feel...'

 

Likewise as we are de-evolving further into hellish realms, the appearance of these objects will change —like a dilution of the original potency of the object.

If we believe what David Icke and others say about other dimensions experiencing matter forms, energy from cosmic bodies in a different way, then that means our own evolution or de-evolution affects what we see.


The moon is the ego reflection of mind—that projects this reality. Were we the giants we were we could have created our reality through these energy nodes directly, by direct connection—but now reduced to artificial mind manipulation through media. The moon is the primordial form of water element, like plasma..


The sun is the primordial form of fire element, the activator of reaction of matter elements—

-- and the moon element the ego that projects the drama on the screen.

The interaction of the two creates a EM force field that appears as movement around the earth in its true form. That causes and defines the boundaries of the realm and this activity sustains life.

 

In our current reality we have a certain seasonal pattern of weather cycles, and even that is changing, but In another reality we may have eternal winters or one day winters, or 1 month spring and so on...or erratic like these days on the earth we experience. Because it depends on the intelligence in the elemental form of matter constituting that reality and whether it is weakening in potency due to being disturbed and being replaced by artificial copies. 

It is sad that people are so happy about Elon Musk's starlink satellites. They think that it is for their benefit. What were the pyramids used for? What were the giant temples and masonic structures and palaces were used for by the elite down the ages while the slaves lived in dismal conditions? What are they tapping into now that the energy source is becoming weaker? Why they need new ways to access elemental power and it is directed at what? Is it that they need a booster device? Or 'harvesting' something directly?

 

Over the hundreds of years when the nature of man has changed in elemental form—to trans-human--the planets we see will have changed as well in appearance and perception—and then will be like 'dead rocks' even if we reach them-..maybe for mining something or for another useless science project.

 

Otherwise the only way to cross beyond our barrier to real space and see what is truly there one needs to leave the physical senses behind or 'die' to this reality—like in the movie 2001 space odyssey

 

Agree with a lot of what you said, as in we are pretty clueless & trying to make rational conclusions, from something that is more greater than we can ever conceive, plus the micro macrocosm, as above so below kind of aspect.

 

But what you are saying is purely philosophical & we can ponder all day, but we are dealing with concrete facts here to reach some kind of truth or glimpse into why we are all stuck on this rock without a clue.

 

Starlink will be the AI ring that rules all agree & our devolution & the start of the bottomless pit of transhumanism.

 

Pyramids im not so sure about, I believe they are fragments of the golden age before the great cataclysm.

 

I am definitely outside the box when it comes to mainstream thinking, but same time I see utter nonsense like the flat earth map being promoted I know its bollocks.

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7 minutes ago, zArk said:

oh come on , a natural phenomenon being hijacked by clever architects is not a difficult puzzle to unravel

 

this is how they operate.

 

weve all heard how the Wizard would forsee a great dragon in the sky or how the Sage would warn the people the Sun shall die because of the peoples actions and they should do as he says

 

now its soo technocratic ... Elon Musk purchases the right the claim the 'starlink' phenomenon as his own.

These people are ego maniacs

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

But that doesn't answer the question though?

 

As I understand things, in this 'heliocentric model', the Sun is a huge ball of electromagnetic plasma, that has various bodies, including the Earth, rotating around it, all influenced and affected by its electromagnetic properties.

 

The flat earth 'model' states that the Sun is 'something' that moves about in a circular motion above the flat earth plane, so what is the sun and why does it do this, and how?

you dont see how in the FE that question is about the meaning of life?

 

 

EWAR  reckons the electromag coil in the earth creates radiation and that radiation creates the sun and moon in the upper dome.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/jMw5DixyCOTS/

 

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Flerthers seem to only be interested in confirmation bias to fit their fantasy, rather than look at things impartially.

 

Like ISS that is easily seen flying past the moon..

 

Well how does it fly at 17000 mph like that without falling to bits??

 

Its there no denying, jury's still out for me about the streams they show us, but something is up there travelling that speed.

Not possible inside our atmosphere, held together by balloons.

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7 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Flerthers seem to only be interested in confirmation bias to fit their fantasy, rather than look at things impartially.

 

Like ISS that is easily seen flying past the moon..

 

Well how does it fly at 17000 mph like that without falling to bits??

 

Its there no denying, jury's still out for me about the streams they show us, but something is up there travelling that speed.

Not possible inside our atmosphere, held together by balloons.

you have a clear video of that ISS?

you know for a fact that theres an ISS?

 

NASA are the bullshit creators.

 

frankly i find it hilarious that the 'theres no virus' crew cannot translate the mega bullshit doled out to the planet to NASA as the other bullshitter. They are all one entity . Bullshitting the planet so they control the narrative.

If everyone is talking about made up crap, their made up crap, then they control the minds of people

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ISS, i have seen videos of the supposed inside of ISS with astronaunts and its green screened. Its all fake. Once you see a few of the videos its painfully obvious. Its hollywood. Make believe

 

lol... just a practice shot?

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1 minute ago, zArk said:

you dont see how in the FE that question is about the meaning of life?

 

 

EWAR  reckons the electromag coil in the earth creates radiation and that radiation creates the sun and moon in the upper dome.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/jMw5DixyCOTS/

 

 

Well all we ever get is the Eric Dubay hypnosis bullshit piled on top of more bullshit.

 

I dont ever see FE peoples debating anything, you just all agree with each other.

 

7 minutes ago, zArk said:

you have a clear video of that ISS?

you know for a fact that theres an ISS?

 

NASA are the bullshit creators.

 

frankly i find it hilarious that the 'theres no virus' crew cannot translate the mega bullshit doled out to the planet to NASA as the other bullshitter. They are all one entity . Bullshitting the planet so they control the narrative.

If everyone is talking about made up crap, their made up crap, then they control the minds of people

 

Yes I am positive & easily proven, there is something up there that looks exactly as portrayed. I know seasoned flerthers "Jeranism" who have had to admit this also.

 

See you didnt read what I typed, as in the juries out on the live streams, I have always called them out for the obvious.

But we are talking about the orbiting lump of metal, that can be verified easily infront of the sun & moon.

 

Iam watching you video, is interesting, but he is just explaining to me the precession..astrotheology & nothing I dont already know.

 

Will keep watching.

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21 minutes ago, zArk said:

 

some very odd visual effects surrounding the starlink trail. around 45secs there a few stars wobbling .

 

 

This was witnessed around the world & you now are trying to claim its some kind of bluebeam event or some bollocks.

 

You can film Starlink Satellites in the sky Zark they are not difficult. Astronomers are pissed about it.

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/starlink-already-threatens-optical-astronomy-now-radio-astronomers-are-worried

 

But of course you flerthers & your confirmation bias.

 

Your mate is trying to claim the moon is a plasma, hes obviously never looked at it with a telescope.

 

Like I switched off there, as hes not telling anything, he even tried to ridicule Ickes moon theory.

 

 

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