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36 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

 

If you look properly you'll see it was in response to someone else's comment about Comets not being provably real.. 

 

Where does anyone seriously think Comets / Meteorites come from ?? 

 

Where is all this evidence of comets and meteorites?

Nobody in recorded history has ever seen one in our atmosphere

Where are all thes craters from their collision?

There arent any

A big hole in the ground doesnt mean its from outerspace rock

The alleged meteor site must have tons of alien rock not found on earth

There isnt any of this alien rock anywhere

Its laughable what they say these proffessors and experts

They say comets selfcombust before they hit the ground and conveniently leave zero trace of their presence

Ive said it before....you give me some cash 1 or 2 techs 5 or 10 mechanics i coul build you an impressive firey selfcombustable "comet" in just 2 months

What about your evidence?

3or4 small and medium sized rocks falling at 300mph is evidence?

Proof! We want credible proof

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6 hours ago, cuboftruth said:

This is what we are all really here for. Isn't it? Does this fall under not discussable, because others have discussed this prior?

 

Or, is it because the real crux of this matter will not be discussed?

The sphere defenders haven't got an answer. They haven't got a measurable curve . They have maths and a blackboard but no real measurable repeatable evidence of a curve.

 

 

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On 8/18/2021 at 2:29 PM, Jikwan said:

I.been reading the long FE thread started by bflat.

Got to say im impressed with the way bflat and avoiceinthecrowd conducted the discussion.

They knew the subject extremely well and kept their cool all the time

And they were banned, no?

 

On 8/18/2021 at 2:42 PM, Jikwan said:

Longest line of sight photographed

 

325 MILES

 

 

This is a sensation!

I will try and post the photo

This one is much farther than the current guiness world record

 

 

 

HIDDEN World Record Low Altitude FLAT EARTH Puig Sallfort (Pyrénées-Orientales) - Île et Phare de Giraglia (Corsica) Observer = 2 227 feet / 979 mètres Distance = 325 miles / 523,79 km HO = 69,40 miles / 111,69 km HI = 43 680 feet / 13,31 km 8,27 miles 

 

Can this be discussed? Will this be discussed? There are so many of these observations. How can anyone think this is possible on a globe?

 

On 8/18/2021 at 3:00 PM, Fluke said:

I just had a thought. If the earth rotates, if i get a helicopter and stay in one position for 2 hours will i end up in a different country? 

The mainstream narrative for what happens in this situation is a huge tell. 

 

On 8/19/2021 at 11:35 PM, Jikwan said:

Avoiceinthecrowd said

 

In a vacuum chamber you have a 1000 mph spinning ball covered in water and gaseous atmosphere and gravity holds all this stuff together. My world makes more sense.

 

hahahaha     (i said that)

So true... the mainstream narrative can not begin to even address this fairly.

 

On 8/20/2021 at 8:01 AM, Jikwan said:

bflat, the great FE researcher kept encouraging us to conduct experiments that prove zero curveture .

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1 hour ago, cuboftruth said:

And they were banned, no?

 

Can this be discussed? Will this be discussed? There are so many of these observations. How can anyone think this is possible on a globe?

 

The mainstream narrative for what happens in this situation is a huge tell. 

 

So true... the mainstream narrative can not begin to even address this fairly.

 

Their own tech is destroying their stupid lies!

Hey man, your energy and enthusiasm is appreciated.

Not sure if bflat was banned but i hear sometimes he had 4 accounts

On this forum whatever that means.

I dont think avoiceinthecrowd was banned. He disappeared a few months ago.

 

The 325 mile is a recent discovery

Before that one i postedthe world record 275 mile one from Pic de Finestrelles, Spain. I post details at the end of this post.

Both of these photographic/video proofs were not much discussed here.

Evidence like these excites me a lot.

I do have a link to the photograh of the recent 325 lighthouse. I will post it later

What done it for me was viewing vids over and over about line of sight and using the curveture calculator. It is indesputable evidence the FE debunkers try to avoid.

 

 

 

 

The longest line of sight on earth photographed is 443 km (275 miles), achieved by Mark Bret Gumá (Spain), from Pic de Finestrelles, Spain, to Pic Gaspard, France, on 13 July 2016.

 

The photograph was taken using a Panasonic Lumix FZ72, following lengthy preparations in selecting the optimal date and location. The image was captured when the sun was rising behind Tête de Chabrières and Puy de la Sèche, to help increase the visibility of this peaks on the horizon.

The picture was taken from Pic de Finestrelles, in the Pyrenees mountains. Pic Gaspard, of the Alps, can be seen in the centre of the photo, 443 km away.

There are very few places on earth where it is possible to extend the line of sight so far. Due to the curvature of earth, both the observer and object must be at sufficiently high altitudes for the object to be visible at long range. The higher an observer is, the further they may see before the point where the earth curves out of sight, otherwise known as the horizon. If the earth had a uniform radius with no mountains and valleys, an individual six feet in height would view the horizon to be 5 km away from them.

 

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/66661-longest-line-of-sight-on-earth

 

This the link for the photo

 

https://images.app.goo.gl/wJpXZtoxCRCeRAYe8

 

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This is the link for the photo of 325 mile line of sight

 

https://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/

 

 

 

 

 

 

HIDDEN World Record Low Altitude FLAT EARTH Puig Sallfort (Pyrénées-Orientales) - Île et Phare de Giraglia (Corsica) Observer = 2 227 feet / 979 mètres Distance = 325 miles / 523,79 km HO = 69,40 miles / 111,69 km HI = 43 680 feet / 13,31 km 8,27 miles 

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On 8/25/2021 at 6:16 AM, zArk said:

The sphere defenders haven't got an answer. They haven't got a measurable curve . They have maths and a blackboard but no real measurable repeatable evidence of a curve.

 

Sure they have. You just deny it with the most ludicrous of all reasoning. Hundreds and thousands of people are all faking space travel. When you take into account all the companies who build satellites, that amounts to millions.

 

Do you ever watch videos debunking flat earth, or are you afraid to be wrong? This thread is absurd, it seems that a few people who have "done some laser stuff" "made some observations" cancels out centuries of science, labelling every physicist, cosmologist, astronomer, radio enthusiasts who bounce things off the Moon - all liars or stupid? Really?

 

We have Bflat posting as @cuboftruth if you are interested, suggesting that density is the reason for gravity with no explanation for weight or direction of fall.

 

We have all of you including @Jikwanposting about no curvature etc. ignoring refraction as though it is some dumb explanation, yet there are seriously in depth papers and explanations on how it works. Go and read these, at least make an effort to disprove your claims - that's what science does, why don't flat earthers?

 

Mirages and other atomospheric optic phenomena (gsu.edu)

Advanced Earth Curvature Calculator (bislins.ch)

 

What was that earlier from Jikwan? Where's the evidence for comets and meteorites?

 

meteorite craters - Google Search

 

This video, so simple. It shows quite clearly that viewed from two different points on Earth, the surface of the Moon MUST be different.

 

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Someone responding to a flat earther:

 

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - Amazing.The Earth is flat after all

 

1. The vanishing point. If the Earth really is flat, the vanishing point of the observer's point of view is at the observer's eye height above the ground. If the observer is six feet tall, the vanishing point is six feet above ground level. If the observer is on top of a 10,000 foot mountain, the vanishing point is 10,000 feet above ground level. The video shows the sun BELOW his vanishing point (6pm), something that he himself implies is impossible, then he ignores the fact that his diagram shows exactly that.

2. The apparent diameter of the Sun. If the Earth really is flat, and the sun really is 3,000 miles above the surface and travels parallel to the Earth's surface, then it would appear to get smaller as it got further away from the observer. The difference would be dramatic - at twice the distance, the Sun would be half the apparent size it is overhead. By the time the Sun reached the horizon, it would appear little more than a small spot of bright light.

3. Relative angular velocity of the Sun. The Sun tracks across the sky at a rate of 1° every 4 min (15°/hr). This is an undeniable, observable fact. Taking the starting point as the Sun overhead the observer, if the Sun was travelling at a constant speed on a flat Earth, it would appear to get slower and slower as it approached the horizon. The only way to reconcile this with the ob served facts is for the Sun to accelerate as it approaches the horizon.... and it would never get there because in order to do so, it speed would need to reach infinity.

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International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - Suddenly, A Flat Earther Appears!

 

Mathematics are the Kryptonite of conspiracy theories.

If the sun is 2500 miles above the earth's surface, then from 6000 miles away from the point directly beneath the sun it will appear at 22.62° above the horizon and be 6500 miles distant from the observer. So how big is the sun? The angular size of the sun varies between 0.545° and 0.5267°. Let's take the average of 0.53585° and round it to 0.536°. Now if we are at a position to observe the sun at the local zenith, directly under it, and we have the values of 0.536° for angular size and 2500 for distance, then we can determine that its actual size is 23.4 miles in diameter. But someone standing 6000 miles from the point directly under the sun should see the sun's angular size shrink to 0.206°, a 61% reduction. But, of course, everyone on earth sees the same angular size for the sun at the same time. (Sure, technically someone at the point closest to the sun sees it slightly larger than someone standing at the terminator, but the difference in distance is only about 0.004%.) For the observer 6500 miles from the sun to see it with an angular size of 0.536°, it would have to be 60.8 miles in diameter. The zetetic model just doesn't work.

Then there's the problem of the moon. Everyone on earth sees virtually the same face of the moon at the same time. Two people seeing the moon from opposite sides of the earth at the same time will only see a rotational difference of 1.9° between them. But for the moon to be closer to the earth's surface than 2500 miles, let's say 2490 miles, Then the difference in angle for two observers standing 6000 miles apart would be a whopping 67.5°! From the earth, we'd be able to see most of the moon's surface, rather than slightly over half of it. And the moon would still have the same problems as the sun in regard to angular size.

And there's still the problem of what compass heading people see the sun at from various locations, and the apparent motion of the stars from the southern hemisphere.

Sorry, but the zetetic cosmology is just a gnostic cult for people who can't do basic geometry, but want to think they're among the world's cleverest thinkers.

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13 minutes ago, Jeraf said:

and the apparent motion of the stars from the southern hemisphere

 

Having travelled to and stayed for 18 months in Australia, this is the issue that has never been explained to me to my satisfaction. 

BC 

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1 minute ago, Basket Case said:

 

Having travelled to and stayed for 18 months in Australia, this is the issue that has never been explained to me to my satisfaction. 

BC 

 

The Moon is upside down there as well. The explanation for that is as daft as you can get and no explanation for the counter argument.

 

"We also see the Lunar phases inverted in the Southern hemisphere. This has an "explanation" that is also quite ridiculous. It goes something like this: place a picture of the Moon on the ceiling, look at it from opposite sides of the room. Voila. Sadly, that is just nonsense. Here's a good way to show why: Imagine you are on a track that goes around the Earth at the same speed as the Moon on the same path it follows(on the FE model). Always you view the Moon just rising. At what point does it suddenly flip over! Another thing about the phases shows the sheer impossibility of the FE model. The Sun and Moon doing these great circles and one catching up the other. That's how they "explain" the phase changes. However, this creates a nasty and unavoidable problem. The Moon is visible at any one time across several thousands of miles of night sky. With a fixed position of Sun and Moon at any given time and a simultaneous visibility as stated, the crescent area of the Moon illuminated by the Sun, visible at opposite ends of this wide section, would be significantly different to each other. Clearly they are not!"

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2 minutes ago, Jeraf said:

The Moon is upside down there as well

 

Yep. 

As a youngster I was interested in the Stars and the night sky. I had a telescope given to me as a present. 

I was far far from an 'expert', but having a general knowledge of the Northern Night Sky I was amazed at how 'alien' the Night Sky in Australia seemed. 

Quite a spooky and surreal experience. 

BC 

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1 minute ago, zArk said:

there was a 7 video response to 'professor dave'

 

 

That was not the video I posted. Please address it - how is the Moon viewable from points thousands of miles from each other yet they all see the same face. Draw me a diagram. Tell me also how far away the Moon is and we can do one together. Explain how the radio hams who bounce radios waves off the Moon (I saw this done a while back) are so mistaken.

 

Tell me also what curvature experiment you would be satisfied with and tell me at various altitudes, what curvature you would expect.

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15 minutes ago, Jeraf said:

 

That was not the video I posted. Please address it - how is the Moon viewable from points thousands of miles from each other yet they all see the same face. Draw me a diagram. Tell me also how far away the Moon is and we can do one together. Explain how the radio hams who bounce radios waves off the Moon (I saw this done a while back) are so mistaken.

 

Tell me also what curvature experiment you would be satisfied with and tell me at various altitudes, what curvature you would expect.

oh right because professor daves strawman arguments of yesteryear are not being replicated in your posted video.

professor dave is a cheeseball who, typically, prefers to stroke himself off with his own crafted arguments

 

just post an experiment proving your fantasy curvature so we can get on with the thread.......

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Fluid flat or sissy globe its your choice what kind of world you wish to live in.

 

I think it should be a hate crime to criticise flat earthers.

 

People are just ignorant who bring up irrefutable facts, doesnt make it true.

 

FlatLivesMatter.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, zArk said:

oh right because professor daves strawman arguments of yesteryear are not being replicated in your posted video.

professor dave is a cheeseball who, typically, prefers to stroke himself off with his own crafted arguments

 

just post an experiment proving your fantasy curvature so we can get on with the thread.......

I hereby declare this as the davidickeforum post of the month!

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3 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Fluid flat or sissy globe its your choice what kind of world you wish to live in.

 

I think it should be a hate crime to criticise flat earthers.

 

People are just ignorant who bring up irrefutable facts, doesnt make it true.

 

FlatLivesMatter.

 

 

There, that proves it.... i always knew you were one of us.

 

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