James Freeman (of the land Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) Have a look at this and tell me what you think? Thanks Edited July 26, 2021 by James Freeman (of the land 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy64 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 well covid pass will soon morph into a national digital identity paper, so jobs a good un as far as the government is concerned if you've signed up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Freeman (of the land Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 Thats not the kind of input I'm looking for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowNail Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Clinical trials. Trial vaccines. Hmm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr M Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) The number of people that this exemption will apply to is tiny. I think in the UK the initial vaccine trials last year only involved thousands of people. Additionally, recent reports by the drugs companies seem to indicate that many, if not all, of those who took part in the trials were subsequently offered actual vaccinations if they originally received a placebo. I think it's in the 90%+ range. This means the initial trials are not longer blinded and placebo controlled. This isn't good for long term studies as there is no control group. As for the 'self-declared' medical exemption that's far more interesting. I'd be keen to find out what illnesses and conditions qualify you for such an exemption. Especially if any of them include psychological conditions which might be more 'subjective' with regards to an official medial diagnosis. Edited July 28, 2021 by Mr M Spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mr M said: As for the 'self-declared' medical exemption that's far more interesting. I'd be keen to find out what illnesses and conditions qualify you for such an exemption. Especially if any of them include psychological conditions which might be more 'subjective' with regards to an official medial diagnosis. Previous anaphylactic reaction to vaccines and general allergies, especially to eggs and beans..... I obtained a medical exemption based on allergies and a previous anaphylactic reaction to flu vaccine a couple of years ago. I hope my local letter 'travels' well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elongated1 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 The current clinical trial is to continue till Jan 2023. The full text of the image in OP. NHS COVID Pass https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-covid-pass#vaccine-clinical-trials From Johnathan Van-Tam https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/letter-from-the-deputy-chief-medical-officer-to-uk-vaccine-study-volunteers/open-letter-from-deputy-chief-medical-officer-to-uk-residents-who-have-volunteered-to-take-part-in-covid-19-vaccine-studies You have every right to refuse participating in this clinical trial. If your employer try to force you.... go here. https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/21227-fighting-back-employer-discrimination/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 The COVID-19 'vaccine passport' is coming. Here's how it could work and how it's legal https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-05/covid-vaccination-passport-how-it-could-work/100350778 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowmoon Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 What happens when 50 or more people turn up and all walk in saying "I'm exempt" they call the police to try and turf them out? What about 500 people doing it or 5000..? Numbers game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr M Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 20 hours ago, shadowmoon said: What happens when 50 or more people turn up and all walk in saying "I'm exempt" they call the police to try and turf them out? What about 500 people doing it or 5000..? Numbers game. There was that flash mob craze a few years ago. I recall in some US shopping centres it was used to storm shops and loot them. Large mobs of people organised online through social media or elsewere would be very difficult to stop. If they make passports compulsory for buying essentials like food all bets are off, the social contract has effectively been abandoned by those in power and people will be forced to break the law to eat. It will probably be used to ratchet up the tyranny and put armed police or troops on the street to stop 'looting'. Problem, reaction, solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowmoon Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr M said: There was that flash mob craze a few years ago. I recall in some US shopping centres it was used to storm shops and loot them. Large mobs of people organised online through social media or elsewere would be very difficult to stop. If they make passports compulsory for buying essentials like food all bets are off, the social contract has effectively been abandoned by those in power and people will be forced to break the law to eat. It will probably be used to ratchet up the tyranny and put armed police or troops on the street to stop 'looting'. Problem, reaction, solution. They could try but I doubt there would be enough police or troops right now to cover ten big cities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I'm vegan, just let me finish this tasty burger first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Human10 Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 On 7/28/2021 at 9:35 AM, Mr M said: The number of people that this exemption will apply to is tiny. I think in the UK the initial vaccine trials last year only involved thousands of people. Additionally, recent reports by the drugs companies seem to indicate that many, if not all, of those who took part in the trials were subsequently offered actual vaccinations if they originally received a placebo. I think it's in the 90%+ range. This means the initial trials are not longer blinded and placebo controlled. This isn't good for long term studies as there is no control group. As for the 'self-declared' medical exemption that's far more interesting. I'd be keen to find out what illnesses and conditions qualify you for such an exemption. Especially if any of them include psychological conditions which might be more 'subjective' with regards to an official medial diagnosis. I'm control group xD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny79 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 The self declared medical exemption is exactly the same as was for masks its the governments loophole so they cannot be sued you self declare yourself as exempt without proof needed to show states that on the site tottenham have stated this too for the health pass bs for their football match lots on Twitter about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 I have an exemption it comes in the form of a sword through your heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 ‘Potential for discrimination’: Human rights body urges caution on vaccine passports https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/potential-for-discrimination-human-rights-body-urges-caution-on-vaccine-passports-20210815-p58iv7.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 On 8/8/2021 at 3:22 AM, vinny79 said: The self declared medical exemption is exactly the same as was for masks its the governments loophole so they cannot be sued you self declare yourself as exempt without proof needed to show states that on the site tottenham have stated this too for the health pass bs for their football match lots on Twitter about it Got some links? Don't tease me bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin1234 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, DarianF said: Got some links? Don't tease me bro Here you go https://www.nhsx.nhs.uk/covid-19-response/using-the-nhs-covid-pass/#exemptions I think, given the wording this will change. Edited August 17, 2021 by Martin1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr H Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 On 7/28/2021 at 9:52 AM, Truthspoon said: Previous anaphylactic reaction to vaccines and general allergies, especially to eggs and beans..... I obtained a medical exemption based on allergies and a previous anaphylactic reaction to flu vaccine a couple of years ago. I hope my local letter 'travels' well. When I went to Costa Rica from Peru just prior the scamdemic, I too got an exemption for reaction to vaccines from the travel DR in the UK. Wasn't asked for proof or anything like that. I'm hoping, in the fine print as with the masks, this maybe one option going forwards. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Martin1234 said: Here you go https://www.nhsx.nhs.uk/covid-19-response/using-the-nhs-covid-pass/#exemptions I think, given the wording this will change. "Your customers may declare a medical exemption directly with you. You and your staff should not ask for evidence of the exemption." Interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin1234 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 20 hours ago, DarianF said: "Your customers may declare a medical exemption directly with you. You and your staff should not ask for evidence of the exemption." Interesting. Definitely. This bit is what makes me think it's likely to change. "A digital solution is being developed which will enable individuals with a medical exemption to show their COVID-19 status using the NHS COVID Pass. In the interim, please follow the advice below." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny79 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 On 8/17/2021 at 3:44 PM, DarianF said: Got some links? Don't tease me bro Sorry as Martin posted its on their own website we essentially policed ourselves with masks same here had some joy from Spurs and Man Utd regarding this they have said if you have a self declared exemption tell a steward and it will be resolved fuck them And their rules 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny79 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Martin1234 said: Definitely. This bit is what makes me think it's likely to change. "A digital solution is being developed which will enable individuals with a medical exemption to show their COVID-19 status using the NHS COVID Pass. In the interim, please follow the advice below." I believe it will just be a self declared exemption on the bullshit app. just the same, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin1234 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, vinny79 said: I believe it will just be a self declared exemption on the bullshit app. just the same, I hope you are right. I'm well past my clubbing days but I might dig out the white gloves and whistle just to take the piss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
factJack Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 I see southampton football team has some issues with fans being delayed getting into the stadium at the weekend Quote many were left queuing outside St Mary's in the first half of their game against Manchester United due to turnstile issues Quote ENTRY REQUIREMENTS FOR A SAFE RETURN TO ST MARY'S Perhaps this was to do with checking peoples vaccination papers before they entered the turnstile ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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