Awakening

[Weedo]

Hi everybody, 

 

Just finished watching the hour long video that just came out, and found it very good and important. 

 

He addresses the internal mechanisms of seeing the truth via raising one's frequency to see beyond the five senses. In the end he calls upon all of us to take down the demonic forces that control the world today, and while he avoids using that word Satan, he uses the same meaning in another language, based on a native American language I believe. 

 

Anyway, if we replace the words he uses with words used in the Quran or Bible, it would almost perfectly fit. 

 

There are just 0.1% of what he said that I dont agree:

 

1 - the concept of fear of God is actually simply a fear of the reaction and consequences of our own mistakes. No matter how awake we are, we still make mistakes, and those mistakes do have consequences for the 'eternal self', that he talks about. 

 

2 - in general he has a name for God, which is the infinite consciousness, if I recall correctly. This description fits perfectly with Islamic descriptions btw. So my only advice would be to foster the connection with this eternal consciousness, and ask 'it' for help. This connection is called prayer. 

 

3 - another tool for raising one's frequency is resonance. We think of this highest consciousness, or the creations around us in order to be promoted. What David calls "5 senses", is known as "worldly". And those 5 senses could be fooling us, as we might already have chips telling us what to see, without knowing it. How can we know if we aren't already in a matrix within a matrix within a matrix? So the heart definitely is key to understanding and hearing, and vision, as he said. That's why the key theme in all divine religions is compassion and merci, which opens the heart. Good deeds have a heart softening effect. 

 

4 - jinn in Islam aren't the demons or archons necessarily. Jinn can be good, and according to the Quran, they are also part of mankind, and we know that they can occur as animals, such as snakes and also mammals. I believe the classification of jinn is misunderstood by most Muslims. In any case, according to Islam the demons or archons are described as 'shayateen', or 'satans', from among ins and jinn. Ins is the earth resonating group that Adam is from. They can also occur as animals by the way. Also 'angels' can occur as human, or animals. 

 

Anyway, bottom line here is that the devils (demons) come in forms of men or spirits that we don't see. But at the same time there are spirits that are not devils. There are good Jinn. 

 

5 - i will pray for David, as he's in grave danger. There are not many people like him on earth, so they definitely want him dead. Me praying for his safety makes me confident that he will be safe God Willing. 

 

6 - so I urge David to talk to this eternal consciousness, and ask this being to gather us peace loving anti-satanics together and help us defeat these demonic forces, and by killing this snake at its head - once and for all. I think we need a miracle. 

 

7 - I will be there in spirit and prayers on freedom day, and I urge everyone to do the same. David is a good guy, and may the eternal consciousness guide him and keep him safe. 

 

Here is the video 

 

https://banned.video/watch?id=60f16e8c93a96b663ea1e589

Edited July 16, 2021 by Weedo
Forgot to post the video

[Mr H]

I very much enjoyed the video too.

 

My thoughts on point no 2. My interpretation.

 

Reference to infinite consciousness, is that we are it! There is no them and us. No outside infinite consciousness and my infinite consciousness, only infinite consciousness. No God out up there, and me here, only God. Indeed one of the commonly stated characteristics of God is omnipresence. In this sense when we pray, who are we really praying to? We are praying to God. Ourselves. We are God. Therefore we (I AM) are the answer...... this is my understanding of David's language and message.

 

 

Edited July 16, 2021 by Mr H

[Weedo]

1 hour ago, Mr H said:

I very much enjoyed the video too.

 

My thoughts on point no 2. My interpretation.

 

Reference to infinite consciousness, is that we are it! There is no them and us. No outside infinite consciousness and my infinite consciousness, only infinite consciousness. No God out up there, and me here, only God. Indeed one of the commonly stated characteristics of God is omnipresence. In this sense when we pray, who are we really praying to? We are praying to God. Ourselves. We are God. Therefore we (I AM) are the answer...... this is my understanding of David's language and message.

 

 

Thank you. 

 

I used to have similar thoughts in my sufi days, where I thought that an infinite being does not leave space to anything or anyone other than this being. 

 

After some time I grew out of this way of thinking, and now I see that the satanics have this mentality as one of their pillars. 

 

 

https://satanismtoday.net/articles/you-are-your-own-god-self-worship-in-satanism

 

 

I don't remember exactly how I moved on from this thought pattern, but if I'd have to explain it today, I'd say that if I was truly God, then I would be able to do anything I like. Obviously all of us are limited in every way, including our ability to reason, and in our awareness too. We are not aware and in control of everything, while he infinite being is. 

 

It also wouldn't make sense that David is his enemies, for instance. I don't think that he believes that he's Satan for instance. You aren't me, and I'm not David Icke. Yet there is one God, and one source, so this means that none of us could be this one God. 

 

But of course according to the known messengers of God, such as the Abrahamic one, God transcends time and space, which means that he is everywhere at the same time, and always beyond what we can imagine or think of. But the point is that this being is in control, especially when it comes to preventing the consequences of our own mistakes hitting us back. That is called forgiveness. And this infinitely intelligent and aware being fully understand and knows us - better than we know ourselves. So communicating is the key in my opinion, and remembrance. 

[Mr H]

"if I was truly God, then I would be able to do anything I like"

 

How do you know you aren't doing everything you like? I can only make a presumption that you identify yourself as a bodymind. And as this particular bodymind Weedo, with the limitations of a bodymind you find you cannot do everything. But what if you. The REAL YOU - which David references is not the body mind that you call Weedo? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Mr H

[Mr H]

To put it another way.

 

YOU experience a body and a mind. 

 

What is this YOU? 

 

This is what David is speaking about.

[Weedo]

7 hours ago, Mr H said:

To put it another way.

 

YOU experience a body and a mind. 

 

What is this YOU? 

 

This is what David is speaking about.

Well I am in no way omnipotent or omnipresent. I am limited and fallible. Mortal. 

 

For me I can say that we are from this infinite consciousness, but not that we are this being. 

 

There is this other movement called Pantheism that claims that every creature is God, which is a similar thought. 

 

Maybe David is following that groups way? 

 

In Islam we have a saying that pretty much solves it for me. Allahu Akbar. It means the God is greater. And it is an open ended statement, where one can plug anything in the back of it. So for instance we can say God is greater than Weedo. God is greater than Satan, God is greater than David. I am definitely not infinitely intelligent. There seem to be an infinite things we all don't know. Does David know every book off by heart that exists, and the sequence of every DNA strand, and what is in the heart of every creature? I don't think so myself. 

 

The point of identifying oneself as a created being, is nothing more than the conscious surrender, the conscious humbling, repenting, love, pleading and communication with a being who knows everything. 

 

Personally I don't consider myself faultless. I have hurt people and myself. Actually hurting others has the same outcome as hurting myself. But the mentality of "I am God" basically takes away any form of guilt or conscience. No need to apologize or act in a modest way. And above all there would be no need to ask this higher consciousness for forgiveness for our own mistakes. Someone like Stalin, Bill Gates, or whoever wouldn't need to apologize or feel bad for killing people. No need for being redeemed, and why punish them if they are God? Why fight them if they are God? 

 

No, to me I surrendered that even though I can feel God and that we are created from Him, He is always greater than me, or anything I can fathom, utter, mention. 

 

That is how I see it myself, and the mental programming that I set up in my mind. We need to program our own minds ourselves as much as possible, with what we believe to be right. Then we keep fine-tuning, reconstructing, renovating, redesign, maintain, update, decorate, protect, clean, wash, fix our mental and spiritual homes, that are within our bodies. 

 

I've learned from eastern philosophies that there are different aspects of the mind. The heart is definitely the seat of the emotional mind, and how we deal with this area will determine our ability to have real in and out-sight. But the seat of the rational objective mind is in the brain, which also has a role in vision, via the pineal and pituitary glands. At the same time the gut is also like a brain, while acting like the bodies main energy reservoir, as well as power plant. The center of gravity of our body is the amplify we of everything we do. Also the extremities are very important, so to become a more complete person, we maintain and try our best not to fuck up any part of the body, starting with our hands and feet, as well as every part of us. I'm an eternal beginner myself, and haven't even scraped on eternity yet, when it comes to what I'd like to achieve in this life, in this vessel, before I say goodbye to it. 

[Mr H]

12 minutes ago, Weedo said:

Well I am in no way omnipotent or omnipresent. I am limited and fallible. Mortal. 

 

For me I can say that we are from this infinite consciousness, but not that we are this being. 

 

There is this other movement called Pantheism that claims that every creature is God, which is a similar thought. 

 

Maybe David is following that groups way? 

 

 

I don't know. But what he speaks about aligns with my own experience and very much in line with the non-dual traditions.

 

So I can describe briefly the process I experienced which may explain.

 

When you speak of mortality and limitations you are referring to a person - in my language I call that a bodymind. Which is perfectly natural, this is what our culture tells us we are, and the world seemingly treats us this way.

 

However, have you explored if this is true?

 

I did this through the Neti Neti process. I am not this I am not that.......

 

What I personally found is that I am not my thoughts, they come and go, but I remain. So what is this I? Similarly, I experience bodily sensations, they come and go, but I remain. What is this I that remains? That remains constant, changeless regardless of all experience and that exists prior to the arising of experience? And then the next stage is to explore and discover the qualities of this I.

 

When you investigate the qualities of this I you may find that this I does have God like qualities. It is this I that David refers to in my interpretation as infinite consciousness. 

[Weedo]

5 minutes ago, Mr H said:

I don't know. But what he speaks about aligns with my own experience and very much in line with the non-dual traditions.

 

So I can describe briefly the process I experienced which may explain.

 

When you speak of mortality and limitations you are referring to a person - in my language I call that a bodymind. Which is perfectly natural, this is what our culture tells us we are, and the world seemingly treats us this way.

 

However, have you explored if this is true?

 

I did this through the Neti Neti process. I am not this I am not that.......

 

What I personally found is that I am not my thoughts, they come and go, but I remain. So what is this I? Similarly, I experience bodily sensations, they come and go, but I remain. What is this I that remains? That remains constant, changeless regardless of all experience and that exists prior to the arising of experience? And then the next stage is to explore and discover the qualities of this I.

 

When you investigate the qualities of this I you may find that this I does have God like qualities. It is this I that David refers to in my interpretation as infinite consciousness. 

God-like is not the same as saying God himself. 

 

If I am. Generous with a needy person in the street, that makes me generous, which is God like, but I'm nowhere near infinitely generous. Also, I did not invent generosity to start with. 

 

To put it this way, through David's words. 

 

He said that we are limited in the frequency we can see. He also said that we should aim to become aware of higher frequencies and exist on a higher plain. This is AL correct, but it does not correspond with the term infinite awareness. Because if we were truly infinitely aware, then there would be no higher, as we already are infinitely high. There would be no blindness to higher frequencies. 

 

I don't think that David believes that he is at an infinitely high level with no space for learning something new. 

 

At the same time with this logic of all of us being God, then even low frequency ignorance would be God. Because David didn't say that at some point you become God, but that all of us are already. 

[Mr H]

Not saying this is the case with you but I think one of the problems is that people hear Icke talk about the being infinite consciousness and being unlimited but they haven't experienced it for themselves. Therefore, it becomes a concept - which they simply attach to their current thinking and belief system. 

 

The current belief system which is heavily engrained is that I am a person/bodymind.  You cannot be an unlimited bodymind - bodyminds are limited. So you can't build a house on sand. You need to sort out this important foundation first. IMO.

 

 

[Mr H]

6 minutes ago, Weedo said:

 Because if we were truly infinitely aware, then there would be no higher, as we already are infinitely high. There would be no blindness to higher frequencies. 

 

 

 

For a bodymind yes, for YOU, no! 

 

It seems like you want the experience of Weedo to be God like. To experience what everymind is thinking, to know all, to be able to do anything.

 

This is where David speaks about points of attention. The bodymind is a point of attention, an experience. One point of attention cannot experience trillions of points of attentions, I guess that's why we have so many different bodyminds with which to explore ourselves with.

 

It is what gives rise to the experience of what you call Weedo, that knows all, that is you. 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Mr H

[Mr H]

Another way to explain it would be if you see infinite consciousness/God as a river. And bodyminds as whirlpools in the river.

 

the river has to contract and limit itself to form a whirlpool. Then the whirlpool gets all busy doing it's stuff - completely oblivious to the fact that it is essentially just the river. Then when it's finished doing it's thing it uncontracts itself and reforms as part of the river again.

Edited July 17, 2021 by Mr H

[Weedo]

24 minutes ago, Mr H said:

 

For a bodymind yes, for YOU, no! 

 

It seems like you want the experience of Weedo to be God like. To experience what everymind is thinking, to know all, to be able to do anything.

 

This is where David speaks about points of attention. The bodymind is a point of attention, an experience. One point of attention cannot experience trillions of points of attentions, I guess that's why we have so many different bodyminds with which to explore ourselves with.

 

It is what gives rise to the experience of what you call Weedo, that knows all, that is you. 

Bro I definitely don't know all, and I'm not capable of all. No creature is. 

 

If you are capable of all and are God, then come stand in front of me now physically and then bring all the other gods to justice please. Isn't Bill gates also god? 

[Weedo]

16 minutes ago, Mr H said:

Another way to explain it would be if you see infinite consciousness/God as a river. And bodyminds as whirlpools in the river.

 

the river has to contract and limit itself to form a whirlpool. Then the whirlpool gets all busy doing it's stuff - completely oblivious to the fact that it is essentially just the river. Then when it's finished doing it's thing it uncontracts itself and reforms as part of the river again.

What David is doing is exactly what messengers of God do. They come to people, explain the nature of the creator, the purpose of life, and how to be better humans, living on a higher level of consciousness. 

 

The only thing I would like to point out is that David talks as though he is the first one, as he dismissed all other messengers in history. It is one thing to so that almost all man-made institutions are corrupt, but it's another to say that all their messengers and the core of their books, are all "bollocks". 

 

He used the same terminology that already exists, just picking from different languages. Same concepts. 

 

But the only thing I see no proof of from the previous messengers, is that we are all gods. I find that mostly established in satanic concepts, and also mentalities such as Alistair Crowley - the self proclaimed beast 666.

 

I think people who think they know it all, and can do as they please, are quite arrogant and destructive. 

 

The whole game according to the aboriginal story that exists in different forms all over the world, is that our ancestor man was fooled by a rebelious being who rebelled against his creator, to believe that if he rebels, he will be like God. It is always like that. Arrogance, greed, haughtiness, is the root of all problems, as well as envy.. Some people can't accept that there is any being higher than them, so they deify and worship themselves, and hence Satan, as this thought pattern das originally suggested by this creature of God, who also is not God. 

 

I'm sure that David didn't consciously decide to act like he's the first prophet of the eternal being, but that is how I - as an outsider - - see it. 

[Weedo]

Just to put things into perspective for somebody like me:

 

I have read a narration in a prophetic text, that there have been 128,000 prophets from Adam to Mohamed. Most of these prophets have had saints around them and following them who can compete in height of perception with the prophet. They learn from each other and use each other as examples and inspiration to be raised to higher levels of frequency. 

 

Then I read that there have been a milion Adam's. And that our Adam is the last one. 

 

For me those endless prophets and messengers of the eternal being are examples and thinking of things, makes you resonate with it, and become like it. So if I think of prophets and saints, then that will raise me. As I'm trying to be like them and compete with them. Thinking of God is obviously the highest, but this God sent us all these people to help us along the way. Like guide posts. Who are the examples and guide posts that David follows? He is guiding us. But why does he sever with the past, like the communists do? I think his intentions are good, but I hope he wouldn't mind some criticism by one of his fans and supporters. 

 

I'm sure he doesn't consider himself as the first teacher of these things. Why throw all the rest under the bus? I love David, but I feel the need to talk honestly about this, for the sake of all great men and women who taught us divine messages from the dawn of mankind. 

[Mr H]

1 hour ago, Weedo said:

 

 

But the only thing I see no proof of from the previous messengers, is that we are all gods. I find that mostly established in satanic concepts, and also mentalities such as Alistair Crowley - the self proclaimed beast 666.

 

 

You find it in most Eastern traditions the notion that you are God, and although I'm not that well read in the bible I'm aware of some references, "The kingdom of heaven is inside you".

 

I admit it's difficult to get your head around and I have to humbly appreciate that I do not have the skills to better explain it to you

[Weedo]

18 minutes ago, Mr H said:

You find it in most Eastern traditions the notion that you are God, and although I'm not that well read in the bible I'm aware of some references, "The kingdom of heaven is inside you".

 

I admit it's difficult to get your head around and I have to humbly appreciate that I do not have the skills to better explain it to you

Thanks for trying. From what I've studied in the eastern religions isn't that we are God. I see Satan playing the same game in all cultures as we are people with the same weaknesses. Prophets come and go, in order to get us in touch with "the Great Spirit", for instance, then after they leave people start revealing them, and eventually worship them as the "Great Spirit". Then the next step is that people start to worship themselves, until they worship demons and finally the head demon. 

 

I am talking about books here that can be quoted from all world religions. There is hardly any talk about us being gods. For somebody to claim to be God, while everybody and everything is God, is for me illogical. But each to his own. As I said, I used to have similar belief for a few days, and then moved on. So I don't hate anybody who thinks that way, but even when I thought so, I didn't slander all the prophets and their books. 

 

Thanks for this discussion! I enjoyed it. 

[Weedo]

 By the way brother @Mr H to get back to  something in the discussion I forgot to say:

 

Kingdom of God being within us:

 

Yes that's true, but it also includes what is without us. In and out, everything is the kingdom of God. Everything in all the worlds and in the heavens and earth. 

 

Infinty being a river :

 

A river has borders to the side, and under and above, which is the surface. It has a beginning and an end. So we can not compare this to infinity. Infinty is not imaginable for us limited creatures. It's just not possible. We are limited in our knowledge, in our ability, in our perception, in every way. Even if we get raised to a higher levels, there is always space for improvement. 

 

Just like the river can over flow, dry out, or stop being supplied from its source, or get better or worse quality of water. Lots of variables and dualities in a river.