Another thread of frustration at family.

[ItsTheTruthThough]

For the first time, I’m feeling like I’m completely done now and that I no longer wish to try and help talk some basic sense into loved ones. 

I’ve tried for a year and a half now to have logical conversations, provide scientific evidence based links from various sources, including government (who may words do not match their own data) etc etc but my sister has looked at a big fat ZERO amount of them. She admits she’s not bothered to research, because it’s confusing, but goes on to talk quite patronising to me and tell me I am brainwashed.

 

My final conversation with her about it ended in her asking ‘what is the name of the group I am in and who is my leader?’ - three times I explained I am not in a cult, or a church, there is no group and there is no leader telling me what to think. Millions in the UK are merely using their own brain and researching facts, and coming to the same conclusions based on evidence found. She still wouldn’t have it. I MUST have a leader apparently and MUST have a group name. I’m still shaking my head in disbelief days later. 
 

She’s had her first jab anyway despite everything I’ve asked her to look at before deciding, which as mentioned she did not, so I think it’s 100% a lost cause and not worth me getting so frustrated anymore trying in vain only to feel very patronised and be ignored. Done. Scary to be here but I just cannot get through. She did mention she has started to get some muscle twitches and I wonder if it’s jab related, but I didn’t say anything. 

 

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by ItsTheTruthThough

[JH8520]

Same here i am the only one out of 6 not to have the vaccine, i talked my Mom out of it only for her to phone up to get the same day that kent or south African variant came out. I posted the Dr Mike Yeadon video to a group my brothers and sister was on, meet with complete silence.

 

My sister video called a couple of months ago after she had her first jab and asked if i had mine then said o i forgot your anti vax with a massive grin on her face complete retard these people are. Despite my parents having both jabs as soon as theres any announcements on the news they go into full retard mode aswell. Dont bring the virus home and kill us nonsense, fully brainwashed. 

[MoonPhase]

I understand how you feel and the desire to get family members to see reality but the situation of divide this creates is exactly what the Government want. I don't engage anymore, if asked I say I've had 5 jabs and are hoping for more, people look at me as if I'm mad, maybe I am lol.

 

To be honest, I've got to the point where I no longer care, yes I stand to lose family, they've all been jabbed but that was their decision. One day the point will arrive where the truth will be undeniable, where the evidence of what we said will be all around us, staring them in the face. The only question is how long will it take, I feel the change is starting to take place. Just read the French have mandated the vaccine for all health workers, the French are not scared to protest and shut the country down, lets hope they live up to past examples.

[ItsTheTruthThough]

5 hours ago, JH8520 said:

Same here i am the only one out of 6 not to have the vaccine, i talked my Mom out of it only for her to phone up to get the same day that kent or south African variant came out. I posted the Dr Mike Yeadon video to a group my brothers and sister was on, meet with complete silence.

 

My sister video called a couple of months ago after she had her first jab and asked if i had mine then said o i forgot your anti vax with a massive grin on her face complete retard these people are. Despite my parents having both jabs as soon as theres any announcements on the news they go into full retard mode aswell. Dont bring the virus home and kill us nonsense, fully brainwashed. 

That must be very difficult being the only one not to have it amongst your immediate family. Keep standing strong, perhaps when you’re the only one not sick this winter they may take notice. 

[ItsTheTruthThough]

5 hours ago, MoonPhase said:

I understand how you feel and the desire to get family members to see reality but the situation of divide this creates is exactly what the Government want. I don't engage anymore, if asked I say I've had 5 jabs and are hoping for more, people look at me as if I'm mad, maybe I am lol.

 

To be honest, I've got to the point where I no longer care, yes I stand to lose family, they've all been jabbed but that was their decision. One day the point will arrive where the truth will be undeniable, where the evidence of what we said will be all around us, staring them in the face. The only question is how long will it take, I feel the change is starting to take place. Just read the French have mandated the vaccine for all health workers, the French are not scared to protest and shut the country down, lets hope they live up to past examples.

Haha, the sad thing is they will think you’re less mad for having 5 jabs than having no jabs! 
 

We really need to take a leaf of the book of the French, not afraid to stand up for themselves as you said. 

[JH8520]

15 hours ago, ItsTheTruthThough said:

That must be very difficult being the only one not to have it amongst your immediate family. Keep standing strong, perhaps when you’re the only one not sick this winter they may take notice. 

I am used to it in the last 6 years or so. I guess once i started to open my mind and perspective on so many things that aren't the main stream narrative I have been meet with the same response. 

 

[CarpeDiem]

50 minutes ago, JH8520 said:

I am used to it in the last 6 years or so. I guess once i started to open my mind and perspective on so many things that aren't the main stream narrative I have been meet with the same response. 

 

Same here initially. However my wife who for years and years used to give me the rolling eyes and tell the kids I am off on another one has, to my absolute amazement opened her mind and does not believe a word of this C19. In the very beginning we were both warey about what was happening but after a few weeks I told her I would not be having any vaccines and to my total amazement she said neither will she! To say I was amazed is an understatement. The rest of the extended family, well it is up to them what they do. I personally am not interested who has or has not had it. We are all adults, all the information is out there. You make your choice, you live by your decision. The best thing my mum ever said to me!

Edited July 14, 2021 by CarpeDiem

[Ethel]

I gave up trying to inform most of my family. They possess the deadly duo of arrogance and ignorance, which go together in perfect harmony like ebony and ivory. You cannot tell them anything. It's quite common for these kind of people to reflexively attack new information, invalidate it, and then resort to insulting and abusing you for even trying. This is the problem with ego in general. Unless you are pre or post ego, your identifications act as an obstacle to processing new information which contradicts your world view.

 

It's actually really galling, but if there comes a time when they realize how wrong they've been, I am going to say I told you so. Even though it's an obnoxious thing to say, their arrogance in the face of new information has been so extreme that it'll actually do them good to hear it.

[SlowNail]

You won't convince someone who's already sold. I'd take a softly, softly approach. Stop pushing, but offer support, let them know you genuinely fear for their safety. Step back and let them think on that. That'll get you much further than the one-upmanship usually exhibited in the back and forth. I don't understand the proclivity to trust government and politicians. We'd all already accepted that this is the most prolific group of liars on planet Earth, so why so much blind trust?

 

I'm absolutely convinced that Toxoplasma Gondii has a big role to play in the uptake of the "vaccines".

 

We're walking straight off a cliff.

[Useyournous]

Empathy with all of you. I'm repeating myself here because I rambled a bit in the elderly during lockdown thread. My three grown up children and me think for ourselves but I am retired and don't have the same pressures for earning a living as them so I'm constantly worried. My other half is sucked in! We have had such a great relationship as opposites. In the past it has resulted in healthy discussions, arguments and laughter. Well now, it is not funny at all and has caused a lot of unhealthy arguments. We still enjoy our lives by keeping busy with our interests but sometimes I could throttle him! He's always been a conformist and was head boy at school!  Then there's me who questions everything and was thought of as a naughty girl at school. I think it is very difficult for people to not trust the BBC.

[Saved]

17 minutes ago, Useyournous said:

Empathy with all of you. I'm repeating myself here because I rambled a bit in the elderly during lockdown thread. My three grown up children and me think for ourselves but I am retired and don't have the same pressures for earning a living as them so I'm constantly worried. My other half is sucked in! We have had such a great relationship as opposites. In the past it has resulted in healthy discussions, arguments and laughter. Well now, it is not funny at all and has caused a lot of unhealthy arguments. We still enjoy our lives by keeping busy with our interests but sometimes I could throttle him! He's always been a conformist and was head boy at school!  Then there's me who questions everything and was thought of as a naughty girl at school. I think it is very difficult for people to not trust the BBC.

That last sentence right there.

 

The BBC news has been a constant in everybody's life in the UK for half a decade or more, like an extra family member you can switch on at the wall whenever you want to know what's going on in the world.

 

It's been such a part of people's lives, people's families, that there's a certain comfort from seeing familiar faces and hearing familiar voices. The professionalism, the suits, the hair, the shuffling of papers. 

 

You can't trust the newspapers because of political biases to the left or to the right. But you sure can trust the BBC when it comes to news; a stoic institution that speaks only straight facts and would never stoop to any agenda or leave you hanging halfway through a broadcast to bring you inane adverts.

 

It is indeed difficult, I'd say impossible, for the majority to distrust the BBC. Certainly the people I know best (mostly middle class and in their 40's to 70's) would choose to believe what the BBC say about Covid over what I say. 

 

My hair looks like shit, for starters. 

[Hegel Schmegel]

It goes without saying that since the beginning of this plandemic, critical and free thinkers have found themselves in the midst of a social cult, with the majority of its members more than willing to take the socially revered, if not idolized, pharmaceutical concoction.

 

Sadly, such lobotomized groupthink has extended down into the family unit, with numerous stories now coming out about domestic clans being divided, and even divorce cases and custody battles taking place, and all over strong differences of opinion regarding the virus and now the vaccines. No doubt the diabolic masterminds of this worldwide psy-op are loving every minute of it, as the family unit has always been a target for them in so many other ways prior to this.

 

In my own situation, in recent weeks I received a letter from a close family member who went and got herself vaxxed. Prior to this, she was wary of the vaccines; undecided as to whether she would take one, all the while watching as her lady friends and relatives were quick to jump on the bandwagon. Since the jab, she has reversed her formerly cautious and level-headed stance entirely and, bafflingly, has become a rabid advocate of the vaccines. Go figure. This complete reversal of belief, as if overnight, has been unsettling and surreal for me to observe. Yet, not all that surprising. I love her dearly but when it comes to the inner workings of this fallen realm she possesses a Norman Rockwell view of the world. This is a person who listens daily to a mainstream call-in talk-show on the radio (the propaganda box as I call it), in which listeners receive only one-sided information (bordering on disinformation), hosted by a guy who promotes the official covid narrative and who immediately hangs up on anyone who calls in not in psychological lockstep with the controlled media. This missive of hers was written, albeit with good intentions, for the most part in a condescending tone (from her perspective, I'm lost and in need of being rescued from incorrect thinking). In all my years I've never witnessed this person use the term conspiracy theory until my skimming over this letter of hers. (Hmm. I wonder where she picked that up from?)

 

What I find most frustrating in all this is that all the members in my immediate and extended family who now consider themselves 'saved' are saying they're afraid of being around me out of supposed fear they may catch covid. It doesn't don on or matter to them that for the past year or so during 'the worst of it,' back when everyone was unvaccinated, that on occasion we used to visit one another in person without there being a problem. Neither does it matter to them that they're now 'protected' from the unwashed, er, unsaved. It's this new variant which has these highly suggestible groupists all concerned for the welfare of my soul.

 

At the outset of the social hysteria, back in 2020, I made the comment how I thought this plandemic to be, on a spiritual level, occult in nature. What I see occurring with hysterical pro-vax family members -- with their resorting to guilt, coercion; even accusing unvaxxed relatives of having no love for parents and siblings; along with other manipulative tactics -- only confirms what I have suspected from the beginning, of there being something most definitely supernatural and skewed involved. From out of this 'chaos magic' there is a strong chance the NWO will emerge. 

 

It disturbs me to personally observe unthinking parrots repeating the official narrative as if victims of post-hypnotic suggestion, all the while -- as people who have no time for or interest in reading & research, nor an open & questioning mind to listen to the other side of the story -- having the arrogance to regard individuals like me as confused, simple-minded, and astray, just as religious cults do those who begin to doubt what they've been spoon-fed by the group's or organization's authority figures.

 

So, you're in the right and the 80-90% of us who are getting vaccinated and all the bureaucrats and newscasters and doctors and leaders are wrong? was a question one of my relatives rhetorically put to me recently. This is the type of 'logic' one encounters when dealing with some religious zealots. As if majority opinion always equals truth or rightness. What if you were a Jew living in Nazi Germany? What if you belong to a quasi-Christian sect of about 6 million in a world of 7 billion and are totally convinced you possess absolute 'Truth'? If Satan is the ruler of this world, as you believe to be the case, is this not a conspiracy? The examples are endless in cogent refutation of this fatuous 'majoritarian' argument. 

 

This person told me how, after struggling with the thought of whether to get vaccinated or not, prayed to God, and suddenly felt a calmness wash over her. Good lord, how to reason with and intellectually get through to such ones? Next, I was told how she contacted her GP to ask him for his advice on the matter. Hold on to your seats. You'll never guess what was said. The advice she received was that the vaccine was okay to take. What a shocker.

 

This person was not interested in hearing about the 11, 000 or so doctors and citizens who have signed a petition titled 'Declaration of Canadian Physicians for Science and Truth,' challenging the covid narrative and doctatorship of the CPSO (the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario) or about how GPs are (no, not in one some grand conspiracy as they think I think this to be, but) generally 'experts' who are indoctrinated themselves, from medical school onward, and who basically serve as well-meaning middlemen between Big Pharma and patient. No, I do not think her doctor is a quacksalver, simply a Pharma-owned drug-pusher, mostly.

 

There were those who as soon as the covid vaccines were rolled out were more than eager to get the jab, and very pleased with themselves for doing so, to the extent of proclaiming to others just what good citizens they were. I recall during the Bush Jr administration years, a popular motto among the political left being: 'Dissent is patriotic.' Apparently, if you're conservative in your views, dissent is something altogether different.

[shadowmoon]

I think we've all been there by now.

I eventually had to look at it this way, even God the creator can't help everyone.

They chose to take that path.

[SimonTV]

Same here, I lost it the other day when my dad posted another DM article about 4 30 year old men dying from covid. I pointed out all the deaths and injuries from the vaccines and how the whole thing was a big scam to sell poisonous vaccines. It is like they don't even see the information. I just told him to worry about his own health. 

[SlowNail]

Mum had the jab a while ago. She's just been diagnosed with COPD, Emphysema and an enlarged heart, which she's attributing to a nicotine addiction she kicked 15 years ago.

 

If I had employed, 3 months ago, the advice I dropped here 1 month ago, perhaps a different outcome.

[novymir]

School and television. Anyone that is watching the television for news-information or entertainment will be brainwashed/mind-controlled. It's all designed to validate a fraudulent "reality", and remotely control humans.

I knew 2 different psychologists back in the early 90s, both were spiritually aware, and they both on separate occasions told me ; "...I don't watch TV, I don't own a TV...". They didn't explain why other than basically that they have better things to do and they hinted that it might distort reality. I didn't really get it at the time, it seemed rather weird and extreme....so I continued to own and watch the thing until 1999, while I had been picking up more and more on the manipulative and thought controlling nature of it...and it got so blatant and offensive I decided to trash the thing and go without it. I still wasn't fully aware of the extent of it, but I am now. It's GARBAGE.

Edited September 8, 2021 by novymir
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[sleepos]

I'm mentally exhausted with trying to explain my feelings and concerns to my family over what is happening, to little or no effect. I've come to the conclusion that it's probably for the best now I try and live my life best I can because the stress of all this is intrusive at the best of times.

 

My immediate family have all been vaccinated and my decision to not take the same route has been met with a mixture of 'disappointment' and 'depressing' in my decision.

 

I've been guilt tripped, coercion galore, threatened and made to feel like someone who has committed mass murder.

 

 

Only a few weeks ago I tried to explain to a 'friend' who questioned my vaccination status... and I began by saying 'Yes' (to avoid a conversation) but then thought to myself... you know what, I couldn't give a toss what they think so said "no, I haven't". When the hell did we become so interested in someone's personal medical information?

 

I was met with genuine shock and amazement when I explained my decision. It was completely pointless and I don't think I'll be hearing ever again from them - a blessing in disguise no doubt.

[Hegel Schmegel]

I have relatives who even prior to this plandemic were already borderline unstable valetudinarians, germaphobes, and walking basket cases, people practically afraid of their own shadows and who have for years suffered from dysphoria and other mentally debilitating complexes (like melancholia). All the irrational fearmongering that has gone on since early 2020 has only exacerbated these issues of theirs. These are the same hyperventilating victims of nervous breakdowns who have bought the scam hook-line-and-sinker and who have been encouraging me to take the jab so that once or twice a year we may get together for social events. (Okay. Enough with your powers of persuasion, you've made a believer out of me!)

 

I love of all them but these are people who do not go onto the websites of the vaccine makers to read the long list of potential side effects, nor do they visit government websites to compare fatalities with the size of the population and thus put things in their proper perspective, to know that the death rate in Canada in the past few weeks has been virtually zero or very close to it. (This is so not a pandemic. It doesn't even come close to one.) Here are people who have little knowledge of or seeming interest in the Charter. Ignorant they are of things like Event 201 and a war game simulation that took place back in 2001 called Operation Lockdown, or NASA's 'Future Wars 2025' which also took place in 2001. Would they look dumbstruck if they were to learn that the leading cause of polio in America in recent decades has been the result of the polio vaccine itself?, and that in recent months most hospitalizations in Israel have been due to the covid vaccines? What would they think of the Tuskegee Experiment if informed of this? Have they even heard of VAERS (the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) or ever visited its database? The Center for Autism and Related Disorder; the 'Vaccine Court': Sound even remotely familiar? And yet these fanatical, snickering, socially conditioned pin-cushions regard me as misled and speak to me as if they had just mussed my hair. (Hey, the world laughed at Noah and his family.)

 

Even those among my family (including those who have gotten jabbed) are in agreement that it normally takes at least 2 to 3 years for a vaccine to be properly tested and studied. How is it then that this covid vaccine was able to appear so quickly on the scene? They find themselves caught in a verbal predicament. They don't care to entertain the idea that these vaccines may have existed prior to the 'outbreak' of covid, so they start to respond by saying how they now can make vaccines more quickly, but have stopped themselves in mid-sentence, as if dawning on them that this also contradicts what they so adamantly believe, which is that these are standard vaccines and not gene therapies speedily concocted in large part by technocrats, as those crazy 'conspiracy theorists' say.

[NightOwl]

Anyone else struggling not just with frustration with, or isolation from, their family, but, GRIEF at knowing one way or another, sooner or later, they are going to be killed, murdered, by this injection we warned them against taking...they are for all intents and purposes already dead...they're walking and talking but you know they're already dead...they'll take all the boosters, gratefully believe all the lies, even if they get hurt it in all likelihood WON'T wake them up...they're gone...

 

GRIEF

 

The family you grew up with, survived difficult times with, had good times with...loved...needed...

Gone?

Despite trying to save them with the surest of common sense and facts?

And to lose so much family at once?

In such an ugly and shocking way?

Knowing they may die believing you're their enemy, as they will undoubtedly believe unvaxd will be cause of their hospital admission/death?

 

GRIEF

 

Anyone else in this place?

How are you coping?

Cos I'm not.

Not really.

I'm feeling that getting angry at them (within) may actually be a good thing, if managed properly.

Help with the overwhelming sense of pain and loss.

 

 

 

People's thoughts much appreciated

[Rossiman]

I feel for you guys still into the whole 'family' thing.

 

At this point it's really every man for himself in terms of what you choose to do per 'covid 19'.

 

The days of trying to persuade anyone to use their brains are long gone. 

 

One thing I will NEVER do though, is lie to anyone that I've been 'vaccinated' just so they can feel 'safe' around me.        

Edited September 12, 2021 by Rossiman

[Pierre-Luc]

All family members that i had regular contact with are jab and it was awkward at our last meeting. They stay polite but there let out some insight here and there and were turning their back on me when they saw i was willing to talk about it. The ones that i have talked with on this have the mainstream lyrics mix with a obvious denial...literately shaking their head in "no no no" adding some non sense arguments. I once had so much in common with those people. Now...like Richard Willet said early on, we are two different species. In my close long date friends there is only one that is able to see trough it. My last job, many said i will not go any further into this...the boss raise the voice and they shit themselves. I really do think i am not gone go at the Christmas diner. Just to feel not only alone but like a crazy dumb fuck while trying to make them laugh like i usually do and having nothing to discuss about. They were usually asking what is going on in my life, like i was doing  for them..you know taking news and updates about one another...not the last summer. I don't know how to describe the way they were. They were kind but distant. Not looking me into the eyes for as long as they were use to do. Every little things were off. Maybe it's me that magnifying it...but that was off.

[JJ73]

On 7/13/2021 at 8:28 AM, ItsTheTruthThough said:

For the first time, I’m feeling like I’m completely done now and that I no longer wish to try and help talk some basic sense into loved ones. 

Same for me. Every single member of my extended family (35 people) have been double-jabbed and some have now had the booster shot while others are waiting to have it. Not one has questioned the narrative at all. It's frightening to think I grew up with these people and not one of them has a single independent idea or thought. They all vote to the right because they say they hate collectivism. Kind of ironic really.

[Pierre-Luc]

On 9/6/2021 at 1:28 PM, Hegel Schmegel said:

It goes without saying that since the beginning of this plandemic, critical and free thinkers have found themselves in the midst of a social cult, with the majority of its members more than willing to take the socially revered, if not idolized, pharmaceutical concoction.

 

Sadly, such lobotomized groupthink has extended down into the family unit, with numerous stories now coming out about domestic clans being divided, and even divorce cases and custody battles taking place, and all over strong differences of opinion regarding the virus and now the vaccines. No doubt the diabolic masterminds of this worldwide psy-op are loving every minute of it, as the family unit has always been a target for them in so many other ways prior to this.

 

In my own situation, in recent weeks I received a letter from a close family member who went and got herself vaxxed. Prior to this, she was wary of the vaccines; undecided as to whether she would take one, all the while watching as her lady friends and relatives were quick to jump on the bandwagon. Since the jab, she has reversed her formerly cautious and level-headed stance entirely and, bafflingly, has become a rabid advocate of the vaccines. Go figure. This complete reversal of belief, as if overnight, has been unsettling and surreal for me to observe. Yet, not all that surprising. I love her dearly but when it comes to the inner workings of this fallen realm she possesses a Norman Rockwell view of the world. This is a person who listens daily to a mainstream call-in talk-show on the radio (the propaganda box as I call it), in which listeners receive only one-sided information (bordering on disinformation), hosted by a guy who promotes the official covid narrative and who immediately hangs up on anyone who calls in not in psychological lockstep with the controlled media. This missive of hers was written, albeit with good intentions, for the most part in a condescending tone (from her perspective, I'm lost and in need of being rescued from incorrect thinking). In all my years I've never witnessed this person use the term conspiracy theory until my skimming over this letter of hers. (Hmm. I wonder where she picked that up from?)

 

What I find most frustrating in all this is that all the members in my immediate and extended family who now consider themselves 'saved' are saying they're afraid of being around me out of supposed fear they may catch covid. It doesn't don on or matter to them that for the past year or so during 'the worst of it,' back when everyone was unvaccinated, that on occasion we used to visit one another in person without there being a problem. Neither does it matter to them that they're now 'protected' from the unwashed, er, unsaved. It's this new variant which has these highly suggestible groupists all concerned for the welfare of my soul.

 

At the outset of the social hysteria, back in 2020, I made the comment how I thought this plandemic to be, on a spiritual level, occult in nature. What I see occurring with hysterical pro-vax family members -- with their resorting to guilt, coercion; even accusing unvaxxed relatives of having no love for parents and siblings; along with other manipulative tactics -- only confirms what I have suspected from the beginning, of there being something most definitely supernatural and skewed involved. From out of this 'chaos magic' there is a strong chance the NWO will emerge. 

 

It disturbs me to personally observe unthinking parrots repeating the official narrative as if victims of post-hypnotic suggestion, all the while -- as people who have no time for or interest in reading & research, nor an open & questioning mind to listen to the other side of the story -- having the arrogance to regard individuals like me as confused, simple-minded, and astray, just as religious cults do those who begin to doubt what they've been spoon-fed by the group's or organization's authority figures.

 

So, you're in the right and the 80-90% of us who are getting vaccinated and all the bureaucrats and newscasters and doctors and leaders are wrong? was a question one of my relatives rhetorically put to me recently. This is the type of 'logic' one encounters when dealing with some religious zealots. As if majority opinion always equals truth or rightness. What if you were a Jew living in Nazi Germany? What if you belong to a quasi-Christian sect of about 6 million in a world of 7 billion and are totally convinced you possess absolute 'Truth'? If Satan is the ruler of this world, as you believe to be the case, is this not a conspiracy? The examples are endless in cogent refutation of this fatuous 'majoritarian' argument. 

 

This person told me how, after struggling with the thought of whether to get vaccinated or not, prayed to God, and suddenly felt a calmness wash over her. Good lord, how to reason with and intellectually get through to such ones? Next, I was told how she contacted her GP to ask him for his advice on the matter. Hold on to your seats. You'll never guess what was said. The advice she received was that the vaccine was okay to take. What a shocker.

 

This person was not interested in hearing about the 11, 000 or so doctors and citizens who have signed a petition titled 'Declaration of Canadian Physicians for Science and Truth,' challenging the covid narrative and doctatorship of the CPSO (the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario) or about how GPs are (no, not in one some grand conspiracy as they think I think this to be, but) generally 'experts' who are indoctrinated themselves, from medical school onward, and who basically serve as well-meaning middlemen between Big Pharma and patient. No, I do not think her doctor is a quacksalver, simply a Pharma-owned drug-pusher, mostly.

 

There were those who as soon as the covid vaccines were rolled out were more than eager to get the jab, and very pleased with themselves for doing so, to the extent of proclaiming to others just what good citizens they were. I recall during the Bush Jr administration years, a popular motto among the political left being: 'Dissent is patriotic.' Apparently, if you're conservative in your views, dissent is something altogether different.

Incredibly well said and relate. I would have not been able to put it as well as you did. Nice to see another Canadian here. That is really a zombie apocalypse. I could tell when they ramped up the fear index in the propaganda box the previous day just at looking how my former colleagues were behaving in the parking lots just after going out of their cars.

[CrowintheSnow]

On 7/13/2021 at 8:28 AM, ItsTheTruthThough said:

For the first time, I’m feeling like I’m completely done now and that I no longer wish to try and help talk some basic sense into loved ones. 

 

Best thing you can do is just look after yourself, and let them do what they will. If Mr BJ told them what you're telling them, they would sit up and listen, but not from anyone else. Nothing you can do to alter that mindset, mate. They are the ones who are brainwashed, sadly.

[ItsTheTruthThough]

On 12/3/2021 at 12:01 AM, CrowintheSnow said:

Best thing you can do is just look after yourself, and let them do what they will. If Mr BJ told them what you're telling them, they would sit up and listen, but not from anyone else. Nothing you can do to alter that mindset, mate. They are the ones who are brainwashed, sadly.

You’re so right. I really did think though that after this omicron nonsense and the jabbing like crazy round 3 that my sister would have a big revelation and realise that I might be right. Especially since she never believed me about jab passports etc and all that has been introduced too. But no. I’m still absolutely shocked that she is terrified because there is a ‘new virus’ omicron that we need jabbing for. I’m done.