How can we contribute to making Britain great again?

[Truthspoon]

14 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I don't want to generalize because there are lots of women out there that have more guts than men, but I do think the average normie woman has been weaponized, that's for sure.

 

The previous (((revolutions))) they agitated the working class against the middle class and massacred them.

What we can see now is Juice agitating foreigners, black people and women against straight white men.

 

Don't be surprised if one day we end up getting rounded up just for being straight white males. 

 

I bet the French and the Russians were pretty surprised to suddenly find themselves at the steps of the guillotine or entering the Gulag for no crime other than being Christian or an intellectual. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by Truthspoon

[Starchild]

On 7/7/2021 at 6:55 AM, Bee said:

So why ask the question if you are not prepared to do whats needed?

 

And when exactly was Britain ever "great"?

I'm sure whatever examples I give of points in history where Britain or the UK 'could' be considered Great, then you or a n other would come back with a contradictary point of view. 

 

My original post and question, was relating to supporting home grown businesses and manufacturing in a time where the public use online shopping which source most materials outside of UK and Europe. Supporting home grown businesses and encouraging manufacturing would surely stabilize the economy and make us less reliant on cheap imports, which would then create more jobs? 

 

That was my initial point. Although at some point, the topic went deep into the rabbit hole. 

 

With regards to disgarding my 'smart' devices. Unless you're close to 100% self sufficient or indeed that way inclinded, I doubt that anyone will disgard all of their devices. 

[Bee]

1 hour ago, Starchild said:

 

 

With regards to disgarding my 'smart' devices. Unless you're close to 100% self sufficient or indeed that way inclinded, I doubt that anyone will disgard all of their devices. 

Which is exactly why building the smart grid that will control us all is so very easy for the elite and has been a done deal for a long time.

 

Its amazing I and those of my generation survived as a teenager/young adult with no internet, no crappy Netflix/Amazon Prime/Britbox etc to binge watch, no mobile phone, no inclination to watch much TV as we were too busy being out and enjoying ourselves, no sat navs in cars because we could read maps. How on earth we all survived and made it is amazing!!!!

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, Starchild said:

With regards to disgarding my 'smart' devices. Unless you're close to 100% self sufficient or indeed that way inclinded, I doubt that anyone will disgard all of their devices. 

 

I don't own any smart devices

 

britain will never be free and neither will you until people realise that the conspiracy is the building of a smart grid technocracy

 

That smart grid is how they intend to control you and enslave britain and it will work for as long as people continue to engage with it

 

It IS the correct answer to your question. It doesn't matter whether you like the answer or not, it is still the truth

[Starchild]

4 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

I don't own any smart devices

 

britain will never be free and neither will you until people realise that the conspiracy is the building of a smart grid technocracy

 

That smart grid is how they intend to control you and enslave britain and it will work for as long as people continue to engage with it

 

It IS the correct answer to your question. It doesn't matter whether you like the answer or not, it is still the truth

I did not disagree or 'not like' the answers already given. They were just non-sequitar to my original post, nor am i sure what the answers given have to do with making Britain great again.

 

I was born in the 70s and raised in the 80s so I'm perfectly aware of how life 'used to be in the good old days...'. However, whether You like it or not, AI is slowly taking over, no matter how much you try to resist it. 

It won't be long before ALL transactions are monitored electronically. All new vehicles, petrol and electric will have a form of AI tracking device in them, public transport will be accessed by some form of electronic photographic ID if we havent moved diretly to fingerprint or facial recognition by then. So to counter your points, unless you're off to live in a forest on self sufficent land, which the elite will no doubt band soon anyway, you aren't escaping smart technology or AI. 

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, Starchild said:

 you aren't escaping smart technology or AI. 

 

yes we are all going to have to live under the smart grid because people like you refuse to reject it

 

you WILL bring it on with your acquiescence as sure as night follows day. That is a given

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, Starchild said:

nor am i sure what the answers given have to do with making Britain great again.

 

Britain can be made great again by rejecting the smart grid technocracy and pursuing alternatives instead. For some ideas on this you could visit my thread in the 'solutions' section of the forum. This includes the idea of buying local (which if you live in britain would of course involve 'buying british')

 

 

[Starchild]

37 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

Britain can be made great again by rejecting the smart grid technocracy and pursuing alternatives instead. For some ideas on this you could visit my thread in the 'solutions' section of the forum. This includes the idea of buying local (which if you live in britain would of course involve 'buying british')

 

 

Like I said, I already do this as much as I can. 

You're very condescending and sound a bit in denial. To repeat myself, you will not escape it unless you go and live off the grid, but I doubt you'll do that because you won't have internet access to post threads like the one above. And how will you pay for things that need delivering. 

Or if you need to collect things, you'll need a registered vehicle. As much as you point the finger at 'people like me' for having one or two smart devices, you'll be as culpable when you have no option but to use card payments, make phone calls, or even use your own vehicle.

[Macnamara]

2 hours ago, Starchild said:

Like I said, I already do this as much as I can. 

You're very condescending and sound a bit in denial.

 

the elites aren't really the problem. i accept that there is a small number of psychopaths in the world.

 

The problem is that there are too many people like you who go along with what they want

[Macnamara]

Reject the smart-grid in all its guises

 

That is pretty much the only chance we have of heading off the planned for technocracy

 

This is going to require people to realise that life is never going to go back to normal. We now have two choices. We either continue using all the tech given to us by the corporations which will ultimately enslave us or we see that tech for what it is and we reject it with every fiber of our being so that we may create our own future

 

I'm not saying there should never exist phones that connect to the internet and so on, i'm simply saying that AT THIS TIME those 'smart' phones are controlled by the bad guys. At this time, that tech is THEIR tech and is being used by them for their agenda

 

In the future such tech could potentially be used when those people no longer control it but at the moment it should be seen as highly toxic and it should be utterly rejected as something that is going to destroy your life and enslave you under an 'internet of things' controlled by artificial intelligence through a 5G cloud

 

In effect they are creating a giant technocratic concentration camp and if you don't realise this yet then you are not paying attention

 

I have been issuing warnings like this to people for many years and each time they were ignored and each time they come true and very likely no one will listen to me this time either

Edited July 9, 2021 by Macnamara

[Simple Actions]

6 hours ago, Starchild said:

And how will you pay for things that need delivering

 

I don't think anyone will need things delivered....being Off Grid...don't you think?

You keep questioning why this, why that, how this, how that........but the whole point of a complete off grid or off the system living is not an easy one nor without some sacrifices. The off grid we are talking here is not the offgrid with solar panels seen on many online channels!

The whole situation is about what we can do NOW to avoid having to go into a suffering off grid......

The more groups with like-minded brains, the more ideas, the most resistance, the more positive energy......

This is nothing like any movie we have seen.....this is the real deal.....

Questioning the possible surrendering of what is left of our freedoms into their power will not help.

We know they are taking over and we know more and more people are pushing back slowly but surely....

The obvious technological part of it including the way to pay for things etc would not make much of a difference IF ONLY we all had trust in this very system and ways of doing things....

 

Yes.....once upon a time the trades were based on: ''i give you 10 potatoes in exchange for 10 oranges....'' but long after that Banks were included in the mix and things just gone in very sad directions due to innocent ignorance of some, and ''clever'' advantageous manipulators in some position of power that changed everything......

It hasn't changed much since....but the increasingly awareness and knowledge about what life is all about and the will to survive in a more encouraging way.........away from the main cities at least, shows some hope..

Having a great community, supporting local communities etc etc......its so much to say and to list here that it would take all night.....

 

If anyone knows the real meaning of fighting for this and sacrificing in order to achieve some freedom....it means that there will be no reason to fear the

possible outcome of: '' I'll give you 10 potatoes in exchange to 10 oranges kind of life!

Very unlikely to happen........because most will be 'lost' before that...considering the lack of inner courage and self respect..

Many have been so molded into a certain lifestyle that just the thought of a mild hard time without the usual routine of comfy ''stuff'' will be enough to knock them down into a state of shock....before even imagining what really takes to actually be in a constant fight for survival...

 

We need to find ways to focus on the ''channels'' that can connect us all in one correct direction as a way/plan along the way with the current hope to defeat at least most of this tyranny that has taken place since early 2020.

 

Now we deal with people who just woke up, some already been awake and some still waking up, then the ages......the unexperienced (life wise)....its quite a challenge..... i know what and how i used to think when i was 17 - 23 - 32......now 43.....still fucking learning......but Now i know what i want and i know as clear as water the choices and options i have.. and one of them is to not speculate. 

[Macnamara]

8 hours ago, Simple Actions said:

but the whole point of a complete off grid or off the system living is not an easy one nor without some sacrifices.

The whole situation is about what we can do NOW to avoid having to go into a suffering off grid......

The more groups with like-minded brains, the more ideas, the most resistance, the more positive energy......

 

i'm outta likes but i totally agree

 

People might listen to someone like me saying that their smart Tv and smart phone is listening to them 24/7 and is forming part of a growing, interconnected web of appliances that all communicate wirelessly with an artificial intelligence that is being created to form a prison without bars and think i sound crazy

 

But it IS what is happening

 

I'm not crazy. I'm just looking further down the railtracks than other people, that is all. I see what is coming

 

Once you REALLY UNDERSTAND what is happening and start asking yourself what you can do about all this it begins a COMPLETE re-assessment of all aspects of your life. Its a DIFFICULT process because oftentimes it involves coming to terms with just how controlled you are and just how dependent you are on the corporations and just how far from self-reliance you are. Oftentimes the person is in some form of debt and is bogged down under all kinds of contracts.

 

Trying to then re-form your life to become freer of their system and more self-reliant then starts to feel like an almost unclimbable mountain. but it is not a mountain that needs to be climbed in a day

 

hardly anyone on the planet is at the top of that self-reliance mountain where they are completey independent of the corporate system. But some are making the climb and it can be done in stages through a process of constant change, refinement and re-evaluation. I am constantly changoing my life and re-evaluating how i can reject the cabals system and how i can do things differently to try and stick it to them and support alternatives

 

No one needs to make a leap to fullblown offgrid self-reliance overnight. It is NOT possible. But people CAN start to make changes and then build on those changes and work over a period of time to live differently

 

The cabal harp on constantly about the date 2030 and that is clearly a deadline for them. they intend us all to be fused with the smart grid IN JUST 9 YEARS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This does not give us much time. Time is not a luxury you have any more. We need to start taking some drastic steps and i don't mean tomorrow. I mean we need to start the process NOW and the more people who think about, talk about and engage in ALTERNATIVES the more that alternative scene grows and the more option and opportunities people will have.

 

People may not like coming to terms with these truths but history is full of shitty situations people found themselves in. Our grandfathers were caught up in a terrible war which killed, maimed and traumatised an entire generation of people. THIS is our challenge and there will be no burying of the head in the sand because even if you want to do that the cabal intend to FORCE change upon you so change is coming whether you like it or not. Its just a question of what kind of change and that depends on how much of a role we play in that

[Simple Actions]

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

i'm outta likes but i totally agree

 

People might listen to someone like me saying that their smart Tv and smart phone is listening to them 24/7 and is forming part of a growing, interconnected web of appliances that all communicate wirelessly with an artificial intelligence that is being created to form a prison without bars and think i sound crazy

 

But it IS what is happening

 

I'm not crazy. I'm just looking further down the railtracks than other people, that is all. I see what is coming

 

Once you REALLY UNDERSTAND what is happening and start asking yourself what you can do about all this it begins a COMPLETE re-assessment of all aspects of your life. Its a DIFFICULT process because oftentimes it involves coming to terms with just how controlled you are and just how dependent you are on the corporations and just how far from self-reliance you are. Oftentimes the person is in some form of debt and is bogged down under all kinds of contracts.

 

Trying to then re-form your life to become freer of their system and more self-reliant then starts to feel like an almost unclimbable mountain. but it is not a mountain that needs to be climbed in a day

 

hardly anyone on the planet is at the top of that self-reliance mountain where they are completey independent of the corporate system. But some are making the climb and it can be done in stages through a process of constant change, refinement and re-evaluation. I am constantly changoing my life and re-evaluating how i can reject the cabals system and how i can do things differently to try and stick it to them and support alternatives

 

No one needs to make a leap to fullblown offgrid self-reliance overnight. It is NOT possible. But people CAN start to make changes and then build on those changes and work over a period of time to live differently

 

The cabal harp on constantly about the date 2030 and that is clearly a deadline for them. they intend us all to be fused with the smart grid IN JUST 9 YEARS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This does not give us much time. Time is not a luxury you have any more. We need to start taking some drastic steps and i don't mean tomorrow. I mean we need to start the process NOW and the more people who think about, talk about and engage in ALTERNATIVES the more that alternative scene grows and the more option and opportunities people will have.

 

People may not like coming to terms with these truths but history is full of shitty situations people found themselves in. Our grandfathers were caught up in a terrible war which killed, maimed and traumatised an entire generation of people. THIS is our challenge and there will be no burying of the head in the sand because even if you want to do that the cabal intend to FORCE change upon you so change is coming whether you like it or not. Its just a question of what kind of change and that depends on how much of a role we play in that

 

No more no less.....that is the reality indeed.

 

I think the lack of comprehension on the subjects of technology and anything related is the fact that the majority who can see it through the mist is more likely to be Ones who have been very naturally interested in electronics, mechanical, construction, varied interests in DIY stuff....people who have an immediate understanding of fixing things....learning things......how does things work....why does it work this way etc etc..... I personally always had an interest in everything that i encounter, either car related, computers, building things.....finding solutions for a problem and so on... I believe all these things alone are a helpful tool that we can naturally have that without any effort automatically helps comprehend things that for some is a bit foggy and blurry....

Not saying these things to be classified or separate as "The Intelligent Ones" vs "Less Intelligent".......

But so far, most people i met who for some reason do not have curiosity in how things work for example:

changing a tire, brakes, suspension, doing things for themselves, making a wooden table.....modifying things.....etc etc.....they tend to be the ones

asking: "Did you do it yourself? really?

Yes i did it......."but your not qualified to do that are you?......

 

So this train of thought is usually the same that applies to all these current problems in terms of not being fully aware nor wanting to open their boundaries of knowledge in order to finally see the difference between Green, Blue and Yellow....

 

Its a conflict of mind sets non stop.....

Edited July 10, 2021 by Simple Actions

[TetraG]

I semi happily concede this thread is a "goodness me"  thread but in a good way...but my goodness it is a challenge and difficult alright which is why only "semi happy" and just for the record, I really question was Britain ever a Great Britain over and above regimentally touting egoist vain glorious ideas about nationalist fervour as supposed maybe a pattern to watch in human behaviour sometimes . (except in terms of raw courage in the 2 wars, I would think probably has greatness of some sort) 

 

Yeah I know,  bla bla bla. :D

 

 

Anyway, as informative as it is to see exactitude on where all is going...I wish we could all just relax **sometimes**, but thats hard to comeby when we all need to focus or get into gear... But on the plus side, the goodness here, is for what it does DO or MAKE EFFECTS ON is make the *thinking* and sharing of ideas, become real RIGHT HERE IN THIS THREAD as soon as words are read or spoken, like *they come alive*...So something is being said well...  (including various rightful warnings of scenarios to do with AI or anything controlling and monitoring & enslaving) ... But real enough so be it we come upon each others words yet steady enough to see in better clarity of vision, to help us evaluate sensibly by anyone with reasonable intelligence or wit even.  If you like how the patchwork can the cloth make, (sts) without us becoming just another bunch of human clandestines basicly. Ha. 

 

So yeah a good read indeed... 

 

Practical - mental - emotional. 

<< As I see it, all need to be heeded for a healthy human to prosper.. Doubt too many people would argue with that. 

Isn't that whats most important

Over & above so called NATIONS PRIDE? 

 

Yet moving on then with some rational salient points... 

Enigmatic, points to learning something of value but once we have something of value we often are compelled to protect it, which is a good motivation in general as long as something being a need feeds our cause, more widely too, for as many people i cluded in the drive as possible without cracks or lesions causing divide...  

 

Example thereby as people have been saying trying at least to reduce reliance on technology, just as we try on reducing plastic and other man made foolery, less needed commodities anyway... ...

 

Because at the end of the day technology is a synthetic extension of ourselves that can feel very remote in building us up as individuals yet we use tech to connect online which DOES HOPEFULLY serve us as a team with shared aims.... but we probably are best not enveloping ourselves by too much as "Simple Action" says, on speculation to take one example... But then again i can be a procastinator myself... 

 

Don't get me wrong at all, I like Simple Actions posts. Good pro active thoughts SA and frequently too= Macnamaras posts since these are people I have to come to know just by reading on forum. And others, to a lessor or greater extent directing words in ways you can feel inclination toward and thereby more likely to empathize with and take action in taking shape the ideas to make more firm as objectives. And to feel that sense OF DOABILITY AND PURPOSE at the tips of our fingers by what each say/do/contribute. So it is good. 

 

And wooow, there's a thought not lost -> in how no-one really wants politiicians, since they like anybody with 'alleged responsibilities'  (euphemistically put) are controlled, as in limited, have predefined capability, or willingness to do, well,  anything.. and yet not so surprising ultimately politicians are not even wanted by the cabal !! Well thats another part of the story I won't even try at.. Except corporations are simply psychopaths in suits. 

 

 

Now, 

To Grid off... Or to PART grid off...

 

Not to say there isn't stuff we can be doing NOW as vigourously pointed out already,

 

So on issues of BASIC internet ACCESS, who we subscribe to for these services...  lets examine a bit about...  (brush aside the 'internet of things' for a moment and the wants of big corps this regard) this internet usage we must view as *USING* YES, albeit for whilst USEFUL FOR OUR CAUSE and we do so right because its simply a means to an end BUT AN END OF OUR CHOOSING...  we're all using it now but not co-opting peramanently or being patron to these DUBIOUS networked corp allied services forever and so likewise nor expecting to be paying into wrongful business permanently as we currently MAY inadvertently get sucked into, perhaps sometimes for lack of choice or however.. I mean of course right, relying on it forever would spoil our longer term objectives of course unless or until a benign or impartial business internet related venture exists (or may exist now) offering access as a green ethical internet handler & processor, despite whatever coercive regulations may do to impose or dissuade privacy led honest business of which I'm quite sure some of you will say not possible in business to be ethical for some technical or politically motivated reason??

(or by sheer indoctrination of the concept that to be a good business, a business must comply with a big audience necessarily to grow or even to stand a chance of competing or surviving - - - really really really??....  Well, why not a series of smaller businesses but still competent in knowedge as any big business and so be more ethical and actually providing more choice ( .. And in an ethical non corp mentality or guild, a more level playing field??? ) 

 

...Maybe coercive regulations would be hard to avoid???  but whatever current conditions we can always state our intent and set good example whether verbally or in practice, regardless of what the market

or business tradition says as a must... But why "must" and who the hell authorizes what thing is MUST? Especially by those not caring for ethical business conduct ETC along with planetary preservation since internet is a fair size carbon producer is it not?? ..

 

.. Therefore objectives of the ethical rebel mind MORE WIDELY are already less about speculation AND LESS ABOUT WEALTH OR ME ME ME... OR THIS COMPANY OR THAT COMPANY where proposed intentions are drawn as lines in the sand... Or as a heart in the sand if you so choose  (and so regarding businesses that become too big, lets not give in to assuming only big corps can take that on...

Think how like some ethical investments types of business out there financially offer this already if to be believed.. which may do fine and are like 'cottage style industries' in the making now and given the community they serve of ethically activist minded people would not need to compete with Corps when they have all the sheep customers they need already)....

 

Anyway fundamental idea is to hold precedence ethically creating a LOOSELY DEFINED network of smaller businesses, separate from corp minded ideology and instead have enterprises in operations completely separate from citadellian elite companies and in NON ACCORDANCE  with corporations ideology, that cares only for one thing. 

 

And okay we are a little shelved in some aspects, at least we may feel that way about some endeavours regarding 2030 etc.. but if we act doing even medium size things now, by individuals working together (it hardly needs pointing out) we MAY then never be completely held over a fire permanently with one company or one strain of corporate domineering model ever again... Of whom were never intending to serve the people for good causes in absence of ethical backdrop... 

 

We have influence by mass,  however small our networks in of themselves... So if we don't wish something bad upon us and have a way to resist, we shall. ...

Which as cognicent to the threat also is why its so important to realize the objectives set out by Macnamara (forseeing the bad or monstrous outcomes as well defined as it gets) to see where we would ALL in the conscious free state like to much rather be which then creates a reality shared and felt by the many as making a positive impact in numbers of people to switch minds AWAY from AI all conquering fears, and orwellian technology symbiosis.. We whom as humans ARE the whole deal, we are the antibodies embodied by being human rejecting totallitarian technology, period. 

 

------

 

And going off piste with this some, if not a human response to all this, THEN WHAT??? Would you even want to imagine say if you had to become the enemy using implants on yourself in order to defeat AI?? ...really??.. WHAT GOOD would that do for the human soul that would be preferable over death??

 

To begrudgingly merge with AI (perish the thought) is no better than taking a vaccine you don't want...So the war on exponential tech over riding human sensibilities (as per our natural "relatively tech free" 2-feet on the ground state) only poses to be as perverted as big tech itself if we were to go that route of fighting AI by having to become AI ourselves, for however long necessary.. But all that, seems horribly real too abd conpletely objectionable which is why preferably where possible AI has to either be made culpable or we reluctantly build our own AI to jetison or ring fence the oppositions AI.

 

PFFT, what a note to end on... But for all NOW people, lets start living (partly outside the system for now) by helping each others collectve shared example. Of vision or practice and rather a combination.  

 

Much less a tech combination mind you, (esp. AI dependent) of nasty compromises where addressable to implement against or despite that... For evolving a decent long term sustainable strategy, for as long as enough people want rid of AI interferences.

And ON OUR MERITS can show numerous examples of how life can differ to what corps want to say to the remaining masses why their life sucks by comparison having seen what WE do as the alternative. 

 

Edited July 10, 2021 by TetraG

[TetraG]

Btw...

 

Just for clarity where upon similar words appearing alike may differ.  

 

"Co-operatives"...  (I guess they can exist of various kinds, or various guises), as in "intentional communities" as my favorite err possible route to sanity, I trust maybe worded as "co-operative" sometimes too, (am I right or no?) perhaps by having synonymous comparison to "intentional communities" as I guess underpinning any ethical deals made from iiiideals or self sufficient measures for a movement making a move toward freedom or semi independancy ...ie, only daring to be co-dependent within its own remit or multi group mutual aid.  (such as when basic allegiances OR responsibilities are established by merits of group consensus aims AND whereby dwellings are within sensible geographic reach able to offer helping out other groups of like mind) so co-dependent maaaaybe ONLY WITHIN TRUSTED GROUP(S) OR COLLECTIVE(S) which naturally would evolve over time a sense of trust and inter community collaboration - spear heading OVERALL INDEPENDENCY WHERE PRACTICABLE & rightly so if desirable and doable in respect of that group effort if people that share the same collective inter-related interests do so in respect of each other individually also, with life affirmating principles coming first but which in turn just as importantly are based on a shared broader vision to make people question their "corp seduced slave life choices" and instead opt for intentional communities dotted about everywhere, all with prerty much similar values that cannot be ignored, such as in the rise of veganism.  

 

Well, thats all good I suppose, HOPE SO as what else is there short of living life completely wild,

 

Where CLARITY is concerned then... yes... THAT, in my above post,  was meaning to state by juxtapose my use of word "co-opt", by which th3 negative it was quite different by meaning not good to buy into or to acquiessingly take share of by supporting something bad inadvertently or by fool-hardiness...

 

(I hate to say "but" here.... buuuut which at least as temporary thing some of us may not always be given the choice 100% to abandon all  depending on strength of our " will & drive" (funny - almost made typo and almost wrote "drivel" to my own amusement)  or self/group innovation or circumstances or bredth of closely alligned social infastructure, yet I for one of course I am like anybody serious trying to let go of unhelpful entities in the long run starting in some ways NOW) 

Edited July 10, 2021 by TetraG

[Simple Actions]

On 7/9/2021 at 8:27 AM, Starchild said:

I'm sure whatever examples I give of points in history where Britain or the UK 'could' be considered Great, then you or a n other would come back with a contradictary point of view

 

I think in my opinion, this very comment sums up a lot and pin points a great answer for most questions. Very nicely said.

 

Its all boils down to the vast diverse perception of what we all perceive to be X or Y.....in most subjects.

Edited July 10, 2021 by Simple Actions

[Grumpy Owl]

On 7/5/2021 at 11:51 AM, Starchild said:

Do you think it's possible to buy solely British (or to an extent, European) products for what we require? 

Although I've always been semi conscious of the clothes I've bought, undoubtedly, most will have been made in sweat shops in the far east, whether India, Pakistan, China or Sri Lanka, so I thought I'd make a conscious effort to try and buy British where possible. Obviously the prices are high, but I imagine that the quality is better. But also the choice is narrower. 

 

Many decades ago, it used to be the case that there were a lot of what we would consider 'everyday products' that were indeed manufactured in Britain / UK.

 

I don't know when exactly it happened, probably round the 70s/80s, but at some point big companies and manufacturers worked out that it was cheaper for them to have products manufactured elsewhere around the world, especially in countries where labour costs were much lower, and at the time shipping costs were quite reasonable.

 

So from a profit/loss point of view, it made sense to start having products mass produced in countries like China, and then have them shipped over to the UK, even with import tariffs in place.

 

In more recent years, we had of course the EEC, then European Union, and with 'free movement of goods and labour', it became even more advantageous to relocate more manufacturing and production into EU countries where labour costs were lower, such as Poland, Slovakia and Romania, with the added benefit of goods being imported into the UK without any tariffs payable.

 

Ironically it was the UK Labour Party that introduced the concept of a 'national minimum wage', designed to protect the working classes, but which has been increased over the years to levels where manufacturing in the UK is no longer feasible, and has prompted manufacturers to relocate elsewhere in Europe, causing large numbers of job losses in the UK.

 

Consumers demand cheaper prices, and this disposable consumerist society we have allowed to happen, is the reason why we have so many of these 'sweatshops' in the Far East and elsewhere.

 

But what we're starting to see happen now is the rise in costs of shipping from China and the Far East, is being passed on to consumers in the form of increased retail prices.

 

At some point, someone is going to have to sit up and take notice, and start to question whether in the long-term it is worth looking at manufacturing products closer to home again.

 

 

[TetraG]

On 7/10/2021 at 3:19 PM, Simple Actions said:

Its all boils down to the vast diverse perception of what we all perceive to be X or Y.....in most subjects.

 

Yep yep. 

[Simple Actions]

3 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

Many decades ago, it used to be the case that there were a lot of what we would consider 'everyday products' that were indeed manufactured in Britain / UK.

 

I don't know when exactly it happened, probably round the 70s/80s, but at some point big companies and manufacturers worked out that it was cheaper for them to have products manufactured elsewhere around the world, especially in countries where labour costs were much lower, and at the time shipping costs were quite reasonable.

 

So from a profit/loss point of view, it made sense to start having products mass produced in countries like China, and then have them shipped over to the UK, even with import tariffs in place.

 

In more recent years, we had of course the EEC, then European Union, and with 'free movement of goods and labour', it became even more advantageous to relocate more manufacturing and production into EU countries where labour costs were lower, such as Poland, Slovakia and Romania, with the added benefit of goods being imported into the UK without any tariffs payable.

 

Ironically it was the UK Labour Party that introduced the concept of a 'national minimum wage', designed to protect the working classes, but which has been increased over the years to levels where manufacturing in the UK is no longer feasible, and has prompted manufacturers to relocate elsewhere in Europe, causing large numbers of job losses in the UK.

 

Consumers demand cheaper prices, and this disposable consumerist society we have allowed to happen, is the reason why we have so many of these 'sweatshops' in the Far East and elsewhere.

 

But what we're starting to see happen now is the rise in costs of shipping from China and the Far East, is being passed on to consumers in the form of increased retail prices.

 

At some point, someone is going to have to sit up and take notice, and start to question whether in the long-term it is worth looking at manufacturing products closer to home again.

 

 

 

It has to start with someone with a substantial amount of land and money/resources in order to actually start something without the estate being involved.....as they always tend to impose those taxes and rules that most cannot even afford to comply with. The "green" inspectors, the Health & Safety box ticking.....and all the rest.....

But if an independent investor/owner do come forward will be a good start...

But again....will be a wide open target for the ones trying to continue to abolish the freedom of our own Manufacturing "ways".

 

I mean....it has to be a Huge variety of trades involved....kind of "back to basics" as in.....Food markets, important trades such as carpenters, plumbers.....Green Houses for certain kinds of consumables that usually cannot be grown here in UK.....

 

Its a big list of things well worth moving up to the extremely top priority list..

 

Surely lots of people have thought about this and all that but......what other options are there in order to still manage to get a sort of "normal" liveable life without being "chained" to the tyrannic system?

 

Enough people coming together, enough and also crucial trade people who genuinely would consider giving all this a deep thought.

Edited July 11, 2021 by Simple Actions

[wideawake]

23 minutes ago, Simple Actions said:

 

It has to start with someone with a substantial amount of land and money/resources in order to actually start something without the estate being involved.....as they always tend to impose those taxes and rules that most cannot even afford to comply with. The "green" inspectors, the Health & Safety box ticking.....and all the rest.....

But if an independent investor/owner do come forward will be a good start...

But again....will be a wide open target for the ones trying to continue to abolish the freedom of our own Manufacturing "ways".

 

I've heard of local people looking at getting together to purchase a piece of land to grow gardens full and be as self-sufficient as possible away from our tax thieves. If they plan on selling outside the group, I think the government would get involved to shut them down but... if the resources acquired by the group is to be used for themselves then you have a better chance of surviving.

 

Together is the only way, not alone in the wilderness...

[Simple Actions]

28 minutes ago, wideawake said:

 

I've heard of local people looking at getting together to purchase a piece of land to grow gardens full and be as self-sufficient as possible away from our tax thieves. If they plan on selling outside the group, I think the government would get involved to shut them down but... if the resources acquired by the group is to be used for themselves then you have a better chance of surviving.

 

Together is the only way, not alone in the wilderness...

 

That is the truth indeed.

 

The other considerable temporary problem would be the people who want to do this and be part of, are spread throughout England,Wales,Scotland......and the majority of a presumably community agglomeration would probably randomly be in a certain area with higher numbers with more possible variety of possibilities either for  the shared work load within, also the possible daily living conditions that may become an issue for the ones far away with less "joint-community-support" within those smaller areas...

I guess IF "these days" come into reality, there will unfortunately be many leaving their properties or forced to....and therefore these issues would have to be one of the main list of possible outcome  priorities to think about as a result.

 

Creating a list of the people in the forum who already are thinking about it and seriously contemplating the possibility that this will not be just a "pretend" game and therefore being listed with all their trades/profession etc etc.....

what can people do DIY wise etc etc....

Its a very big task to make something of this seriousness work in a short planned time frame.

But always better "early late" than "late too Late"....

 

Also i am aware and anyone else here as far as i can tell that We are keeping our details hidden obviously, but if "shit hits the air-con fan" lol ......

we will have to start opening up a bit more with details of where abouts people live etc etc so then to have an idea at least a brief vision of demographics....

Edited July 11, 2021 by Simple Actions

[Simple Actions]

On 7/7/2021 at 11:56 AM, Truthspoon said:

Don't be surprised if one day we end up getting rounded up just for being straight white males

 

lol.....

Good point, but then rounded up by whom? 

Considering if that would happen it would have to be "performed" by people with some guts and balls to risk it lol

But in that case there wouldn't be anyone else left with some Balls attached in order to do it lol....

 

Only ball-less individuals... lol

Seen a lot already....last 10 years has increased considerably..

 

The thing about straight or non straight for me is ok as long as they Do Not Impose on me or on anyone else.

But its clear that They like to always make a point out of it.....its what makes most people uneasy about...

[wideawake]

38 minutes ago, Simple Actions said:

 

That is the truth indeed.

 

The other considerable temporary problem would be the people who want to do this and be part of, are spread throughout England,Wales,Scotland......and the majority of a presumably community agglomeration would probably randomly be in a certain area with higher numbers with more possible variety of possibilities either for  the shared work load within, also the possible daily living conditions that may become an issue for the ones far away with less "joint-community-support" within those smaller areas...

I guess IF "these days" come into reality, there will unfortunately be many leaving their properties or forced to....and therefore these issues would have to be one of the main list of possible outcome  priorities to think about as a result.

 

Creating a list of the people in the forum who already are thinking about it and seriously contemplating the possibility that this will not be just a "pretend" game and therefore being listed with all their trades/profession etc etc.....

what can people do DIY wise etc etc....

Its a very big task to make something of this seriousness work in a short planned time frame.

But always better "early late" than "late too Late"....

 

Also i am aware and anyone else here as far as i can tell that We are keeping our details hidden obviously, but if "shit hits the air-con fan" lol ......

we will have to start opening up a bit more with details of where abouts people live etc etc so then to have an idea at least a brief vision of demographics....

 

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I would think postings on here about such a thing, would be as a general locations and groups and not individuals openly here looking for partners into such an endeavour.  

Locals and trustworthy people you may know or the group know is how you will build a sustainable society. Start small with the most reliable and go from there. 

I've read about skills of the members in a group, personally I would say it does not matter as long as the heart of the member is at the right place. We all have a right to live on this rock and all can contribute one way or another. 

There will be some internal arguments and/or fights eventually and the group as a whole would have to decide what to do with the trouble makers.

Just thinking out loud  

Edited July 11, 2021 by wideawake

[Simple Actions]

7 minutes ago, wideawake said:

 

Hmm, I understand what you're saying but I would think postings on here about such a thing, would be as a general locations and groups and not individuals openly here looking for partners into such an endeavour.  

Locals and trustworthy people you may know or the group know is how you will build a sustainable society. Start small with the most reliable and go from there. 

I've read about skills of the members in a group, personally I would say it does not matter as long as the heart of the member is at the right place. We all have a right to live on this rock and all can contribute one way or another. 

There will be some internal arguments and/or fights eventually and the group as a whole would have to decide what to do with the trouble makers.

Just thinking out loud  

 

hahaha spot on.

 

I had all that already in the back of my mind and its always a difficult task due to all the points about "leaders" in every aspect of a society.

 

And yes of course, the details would have to be in Groups instead of individual.

 

I have some ideas as many people do and you too, i will come up with something "as suggestions" and see who posts on it afterwords as contribution of ideas and see what comes out of it.

 

This subject is a deeply and serious one that in my own experience for example:

 

Starts with 150 people saying:

"yeah yeah i'm up for it"

"yes indeed im in"

"yes good idea, i am working in it"

 

And then when time comes after long discussions and pros and cons etc etc the list goes on.....ends up on just 60 people......then when the "D" day comes, only 15 are really in!

 

Fingers & Toes crossed

[wideawake]

2 minutes ago, Simple Actions said:

 

hahaha spot on.

 

I had all that already in the back of my mind and its always a difficult task due to all the points about "leaders" in every aspect of a society.

 

And yes of course, the details would have to be in Groups instead of individual.

 

I have some ideas as many people do and you too, i will come up with something "as suggestions" and see who posts on it afterwords as contribution of ideas and see what comes out of it.

 

This subject is a deeply and serious one that in my own experience for example:

 

Starts with 150 people saying:

"yeah yeah i'm up for it"

"yes indeed im in"

"yes good idea, i am working in it"

 

And then when time comes after long discussions and pros and cons etc etc the list goes on.....ends up on just 60 people......then when the "D" day comes, only 15 are really in!

 

Fingers & Toes crossed

 

Yes and if you look at how serious the situation is world wide and people commit to an association I would highly suggest a monetary commitment or equipment as collateral to help grow a separate society and at the same time if one particular member was to be excluded from the association for  misbehaving or laziness, his collateral would be confiscated by the association. That would be a clear understanding from the start and it would eliminate the non serious member trying to take advantage of the association.